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Why the Xbox One Needs Blu-ray For Games

Although many realise and understand this fact, many people overlook, and misunderstand what is actually a rather important feature that will come as standard in the Xbox One.

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jc485731146d ago

why even bother? You only need to install it once. I guess it's designed so that "participating retailers" would gladly take disc from you and redistribute it to make more cash by monopolizing the used sales market. This whole feature is designed to combat ebay sellers. Did lack of trading really affect you Gamestop? well, your trading offer sucks.

fermcr1146d ago (Edited 1146d ago )

Why did Microsoft even bother putting Blu-ray drive on the X1, since the games don't run from the Blu-ray... oh wait, the X1 isn't a gaming console, it's suppose to be a media center/TV box.

darthv721146d ago

enabling the system to be the all-in-one unit they are making. the games themselves could have been on a different format if need be. especially when the idea is the games are installed instead of run from the disc.

what Ms needed most was a higher capacity format than DVD. hddvd could have worked just as well but it would have been costly having a blue laser that read both. back in the day...lg and I think one other company had made a laser capable of such things but it soon became apparent that it wasn't needed with bluray taking the winning spot in the HD format.

actually...all we really know is there is a bluray drive in the unit. the games could be on a custom format that is similar but is compatible with the drive as well.

Sy_Wolf1146d ago

You may be the kind of person who wants to download a 50GB game when it's available on a disk, but you're in the minority.

Dasteru1146d ago

@Sy_Wolf:

The point is, it could have been on normal DVDs.

All XB1 games will be fully installed on the system just like a PC game, the game data can be more heavily compressed to fit onto a DVD since it will be decompressed during installation anyways.

Large capacity disks are only needed when the data needs to be streamed off the disk in real time.

azshorty20031145d ago

Because you have to have the drive to watch your bluray movies when your Xbox One can't verify your games online and they won't work.

And when there's nothing on TV.

Sy_Wolf1145d ago

@dasteru It COULD have been on DVD, but why would anyone want that? Do you know how many DVDs you need to get 50GB? It's cheaper for everyone to have a single massive storage disk. Large capacity discs like BluRay are horrible for streaming games off the disk, they are great for storing huge files however. Yes you can compress data, but that's hardly going to make up for the lack of storage space on a DVD.

Dasteru1145d ago (Edited 1145d ago )

@Sy_Wolf:

You do not seem to understand the meaning of the word compression, making up for the lack of storage space on a DVD is exactly what it would do.

You can get 50GB on 2 dual layer DVDs, the PC already does it.

The XB1 installs all the data from the disk to the HDD, so it is able to be heavily compressed on the disk. 9GB on disk can easily be uncompressed to 25GB+ when installed.

Also 2 DVDs is alot cheaper than 1 Blu-ray disk.

The large capacity of a Blu-ray disk has nothing to do with its streaming ability. The reason the PS3 was slow'ish at streaming was because the Blu-ray drive was only a 2x. 14x Blu-ray readers already exist for the PC.

1x DVD = 512KB-1MB/sec variable
1x Blu-ray = 4.5MB/sec constant.

PS3s 2x Blu-ray was a constant 9MB/sec
360s 12x DVD was variable between about 6.5MB/sec and 12MB/sec

The PS4 uses a 6x Blu-ray which operates at a constant 27MB/sec, not sure what speed the XB1 uses but 27MB/sec is already a faster read speed than any DVD drive in existance, and it can go as high as 14x currently, which is 63MB/sec

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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1146d ago (Edited 1146d ago )

to catch up with ps3.

stuna11146d ago

It's doing a great job of that!/s

What's next the XBone gains the ability to follow you room to room? I think if it can pick up a persons heartbeat, it can more than likely see through walls! There is probably so much more that Microsoft is not telling people! They're are just telling us things that will become instantly apperent from the beginning, but what about the things not so apperent?

SecondSon1146d ago

Well once we say a game on the Xbone that looks better than the Last of Us we can say it at least caught up on the graphics department.

Inferred doesn't travel through walls or your body it senses the changes in the reflection of your skin.

We can actually check the heart rate of any character in any film that has been published just by analyzing the subtle pixel changes its all in the software.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

FullmetalAlchemist1146d ago

Is making all Xbox One bluray games a mandatory install some sort of way for Microsoft to avoid paying any royalties to Sony? Because doesn't sony have bluray games patented or something? Idk... I'm just thinking out loud.

Blackdeath_6631146d ago (Edited 1146d ago )

yeah i made a similar comment to yours on another article and received a ton of dislikes and people basically saying sony doesn't have the power to enforce such restriction and so on. so no MS is still paying royalties in some way to sony and no sony has no part in MS's decision to make games a mandatory install

also to anyone buying the XBone don't even bother going out and buying games from retailers if your are confident that your internet can handle big game downloads just get the game from the xbox live store within the comforts of your own home because it is basically the same thing. only the digital version of the game is playable whether you get the from the store or install it from a bluray disk. trade in policies is the same for both aswell.

kneon1146d ago

The problem with the digital version is that the games will not be small and will soon fill up your hard drive. So sooner or later you will need to purge some older games. Unless Microsoft are even stupider than they have appeared lately then you should be able to reinstall the game from disk rather than redownloading 10's of GB of data all over again.

b777conehead1145d ago

kneon
weather you down load are instal from disk . it will take the same amount of hard disk space.

kneon1145d ago

Well of course it takes the same amount of space. But by using the disk you avoid the download which will be slower and which will take good chunk of your monthly download limit unless you have unlimited usage.

Insomnia_841146d ago

It's not patented. They own part of it. For every game sold on the XBone, Sony is making money too.

secretcode1146d ago

Yeah but it's a very small cut. It's not like Sony will see amazing profits from the XONE.

kneon1146d ago

Sure, but it's no different than with the 360. Most of the DVD and CD patents belong to Sony and Philips so Microsoft have been paying Sony for years, not just for the 360 but also for Windows.

HammadTheBeast1146d ago

They'll probably make about 30 cents to a dollar.

azshorty20031145d ago

Just like the scroll wheel on the iPod. Microsoft owns that if I remember correctly.

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GeorgeRoberts1146d ago

Sony are only part of the Blu ray Disk Association (or whatever it's called) - a number of companies (including Sony) have shares on the board. They make money when publishers buy disks to publish on, not from royalties of the content!

wenaldy1146d ago

Yup there are tons of companies holding on BDA, including Sony.

OrangePowerz1146d ago

What George said above. Sony is only part of the group that controls Blu ray, just like it was the case with DVD. Blu Ray and DVD was developed by a number of different companies so there is no single company that`s holding the rights or patent for Blu ray or DVD.

cee7731146d ago (Edited 1146d ago )

Actually sony and panasonic own most patents for blu ray players and discs meaning both would receive royalties for every xbone sold. patents=royalties why you think sony fought toshiba so hard in the infamous blu ray vs. HDDVD and losing billions putting it inside the PS3 and paying Warner Bros. off was the last nail in HDDVD's coffin courtesy of sony.

you dont invest billions in tech only make pennies from patents motorola makes hundreds of millions annually just because it own most of the wifi patents anything conataining wifi motorola receives A piece.

gamertk4211146d ago

It's too bad, because HD-DVD was a better format. blu-ray is so slow!

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OrangePowerz1146d ago

Given the fact that you have to install games the Blu Ray disc is only there to deliver data, it has little use besides of the fact that people don`t have to switch discs while installing.

You would think MS learned from the fact that people, myself included, have been complaining about mandatory installation of games on PS3.

Crazay1146d ago

Mandatory install always was a major bone of contention for me with the PS3 as well...those installs took so effing long..and then the mandatory updates after also took an ungodly amount of time to complete.

Geezus1146d ago

Yeah but now you can play the game while it installs on both consoles kinda eases the annoyance of having to install a bit

OrangePowerz1146d ago

"Geezus

I havent seen anything that suggests that on the Xbone you play while installing or that the PS4 needs installation from disc.

chcolatesnw1146d ago

I read somewhere that both consoles will play games from HDD whether you want them to or not, I just can't remember where. Also, this im not sure of, but Sony mention 6x read speed right? Does this mean it will have roughly 216Mbps read speed? Since 1x is 36Mbps. Because if so, then a standard HDD has ~100Mbps read speed, making it the speed of a 3x blu ray reader, so wouldn't it technically be wiser to play the game from disc? Unless the option to play a game while it installs/patches is only possible on HDD since you can't write to the blu ray disc.

ZoyosJD1145d ago (Edited 1145d ago )

@chcolatesnw

A x6 BR drive has read speeds of 216 Mbit/s or 27 Mbyte/s.

A decent HDD easily does 100 Mbyte/s.

1 byte = 8 bits

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Geezus1146d ago

@orangepowerz

www.psu.com/a019206/

m.joystiq.com/2013/05/21/xbox -one-lets-you-play-immediately- during-installs-suspend-an/

Bzone241146d ago

The one thing I do like is that you never have to put the disc in the drive again after it's installed. Less wear and tear on the drive and disc.

Crazay1146d ago (Edited 1146d ago )

Uhmmm, they need it because a) games need more space and b) nowadays ISPs are screwing their customers with seriously denutted data caps. Many of which would be crushed with just one game download or 40GB.

and since I know I'm going to get pointless disagrees here, let me prove it...

Here's my lame ass ISP
Xplornet - 1.5Mbps 5 GB total data for $39.99
or the next step up is 5Mbps with 20 whopping GB of data for just $59.99 o.0

Rogers - 6Mbps with 20GB of data for $40 and the next level is 25Mbps with 80GB data for $52

Granted there are more packages with faster speed at a much higher cost but you get my point

Bzone241146d ago

I hate ISPs that meter. Mine isn't metered but it's only 2Mbps. Good enough for gaming most the time, but to download one game it would take forever. Discs only for me.

b777conehead1145d ago (Edited 1145d ago )

get fios

FrigidDARKNESS1146d ago (Edited 1146d ago )

Because of the mandatory install for DRM this had to be done with a single disc. Multiple disc dvd discs wouldn't have worked. Developers demanded nlu ray disc and wasn't goig to pay royalties for extra dvd discs.