"We hear Microsoft ain't too happy about this chart either and is preparing certain legal action, namely because it could be misleading to otherwise unwitting retail employees selling customers game consoles this holiday season."
Microsoft send them to their grave, you guys may never see a PS3. After this lawsuit Sony is over. Microsoft can afford the best legal tema in the world to tear Sony apart.
Sony could do without this, somebody's head will roll for this. They're too big a firm to be making silly mistakes like this.
What are they playing at?
Not very clever or nice on Sony's part. Since when did MS do anything so low to Sony??
They did write this article for IGN:
http://xbox360.ign.com/arti... That one was absolutely bull**** with not a single piece of reality to it.
Most of Sony's claims are actually quite valid, as the chart is meant to compare what you get for your buck.
1. To get even the slightest taste of XBL you will need a storage device for your X360.
2. To play online you will need an additional XBL Gold membership.
Most if not all of X360's marketing is about online gaming, gaming with your friends online, chatting online. But you can't do any of these on the X360 core edition as is.
X360 marketing is also very proud of the fact that the X360 has wireless controllers, although they again are not available in the X360 core edition.
And now X360 marketing is pushing their HD-DVD drive, which just adds another costly peripheral to ones shopping basket.
Does anyone here actually use the X360 core as is? No extra peripherals?
In my oppinion it is MS marketing that is full of bull... I personnaly ended up buying the equivalent of a $630 X360 (extra controller, batterypacks, wifi, xbl gold) -- although in my currency it was much more expensive. I'm not gonna play it online for much longer (well, actually I haven't played it for quite a while, since my gf won't let me have it permanently in the living room -- it is too ugly and noisy she says), unless GoW really impresses me, so I think I'll save the $50 for Gold this year.
they wont get anywhere its true facts! the fact sony put it together mite be an issue but they will only get a slap on the bum! I dought that microsoft even has a case its not for the retailers its for the consumers so microsoft get stuffed lol they are about to cry cause PS3 is better hahahaha
Its true, i paid $700 for my 360....NOT!
yeah MS has an army of lawyers on staff (MS gets sued all the time for anti-trust). definitly not a company you want to piss off leagally.
u think u know it all y are on this web site wishing u waited a year longer 4 a PS3 i know i will be playing on my PS3 not agueing itsbetter! whos Knocked out now!
ps u havent argued my point at all it still wont win the case (its a crap case also stuped a petti) and sony dont say that its better than the xbox 360 because they dont need to lol
...you should change your name to proudtobearetard. :|
did you mean not to make any sense?
You get knocked the FU(K OUT!!!
haha bring it on.when peter moore comes online talking rubbish no one see`s that huh!if u can`t beat them by console why not try with legal actions..pathetic
sony need some backup from these no it all xbox fan boys
"a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report:"
There is a big difference between the talk that has happened thus far and this printout. Sony crossed a legal line on this, and will have to pay, one way or another.
Sony must have thought that they are dealing with a fragile company like Sega in the Dreamcast days. Now they're going to find out the hard way what it is to be bullied.
you got that right. but hay, what you do when your drowning. your going to do all you can do to get back to the top.
What's up my friend?
Last night I saw Lucid and your picture on the other site, pretty cool.
So how is it over there?
Sue the lying bastards for all you can, make them pay for the way they treat the gaming public.
sony are obviously losers, they have to lie about the competition!
How can you _possibly_ defend Sony on this? They have commited slander by knowingly making false claims about a competitor. This is an underhanded tactic and exactly the reason there are laws in place to protect slandered parties.
Sony claimed the 360 _required_ things such as an HD-DVD drive to play games in an obvious attempt to sway retailers and consumers into thinking the PS3 was a "good deal".
This isn't a game, kids. What Sony did was in violation of U.S. law, plain and simple. When you do something like that, especially against a large company, there will be accountability.
So is advertising X360 as Nex Gen(when it clearly is'nt).Loads of add-ons are need to get X360 upto the same specs as PS3.Sony was merely pointing out that once u spend on the extra's for X360,u could have had a PS3 for less that offers more features for no extra's on top of the PS3 box price.
You wouldn't make a good lawyer ...remind me not to call you. The point is Sony said most of those extra accessories "REQUIRES USER TO BUY" It does not say "REQUIRES USERS TO BUY IF". Which implies they are must buys ...which is lying/misleading ....how ever you want to look at it from there. It is a slanderous marketing scheme. Which I think is good enough to break a few more millions out of SONY if posible but all that will come out of this is a court order to STOP that marketing scheme.
No, they werent merely showing anything you fool. This was an underhanded and decietful move to undermine the XBOX 360, so the so called wanna be ps3 will have a slim chance to survive, especially with all of it's shortages.
The XBOX 360 is true next gen., the ps3 is as well, I'd say no to the Wii though but it is close, however, sony was trying to sling a lil mud our way. No, and I mean NOBODY has to buy anything additional from the XBOX 360 premium system at 399.99. That's all we need and that's all I have and I'm having a blast w/the best and I mean the very best with next gen. gameplay and graphics and online downloads as well.
Again, don't be and stop being a fool all the time, ok?
xbox IS next gen and doesnt need loads of add ons ps3fan, the fact that it has the ability to evolve and upgrade is a beautiful thing! i have everything i need and ill i bought was the premium pack and a xbox live gold pack, so tell me it isnt next gen when the next wave of games hits the stores! specially GOW not long now!
"So is advertising X360 as Nex Gen(when it clearly is'nt).Loads of add-ons are need to get X360 upto the same specs as PS3.Sony was merely pointing out that once u spend on the extra's for X360,u could have had a PS3 for less that offers more features for no extra's on top of the PS3 box price. " - PS3 Fan
Just like that crap PS2 thing that wasn't even close to being with the rest of the generation. I mean really, did you see how many add ons that crap box required to even come close to the level of the Xbox and they still expected you to pay the same price.
Still believe your statement PS3 Fan? If you do i want to know how you can explain the PS2 being sold for the same price as the Xbox with half the features being a value when the Xbox 360 sells for nearly half the price of the PS3 with fewer features and you consider it to be a rip off.
Last time I checked most of the new games on the 360 looked better than the PS3's. I read several places that most of the launch games look like sh!t, except for 2. 360 is next-gen right now, by the time the PS3 comes out it will be last-gen. And with the PS3 having less memory than the 360, the 360 games will shine where the Ps3's doesn't. That is why RFOM is not in 1080p, because of memory limitations it is in 720p. By the way all the 360 games I have support 1080 resolutions, insomniac should have made it for the 360 so it could be played the way it was meant to with double the VRAM.
Sony did cross the line with that in saying it's required...not a good move.
It's OK for sites to do the comparisons, but when a competitor does it...well, it's not good.
misleading my foot..what about all those so call exclusives microsoft announced..isn`t that misleading too?pro evo ..GTA cough ..cough lying [email protected]
Not as much as Sony lies, I cant believe you still defend Sony after this bullsh*t, I guess your just another BLIND Sony fanboy, You dont seem to realise how much they have fu*ked over their fans.
Yeah ...they both lie. They wouldn't be corporate business if they didn't. But I don't remember them saying GTA was an exclusive for Xbox360. I just recall them saying it would be available the first day it launched for PS3.
I don't see anything wrong with this fact sheet. The data implies that it is a comparison between the consoles in all aspects of features that are offered out of the box, and it does a great job comparing them on paper. Though I hardly think it matters since it is all about performance.
Regardless, in no place does it say that you HAVE to purchase the specified items TO PLAY GAMES on that machine. Therefore, I am confident this case will be dismissed. The wording is too general to warrant the theory of a specific intent of attack on Sony's behalf and the data takes the same path.
sony up to no good again. Why do they compare and say that all this stuff is needed, when in fact you really don't need certain things.
While sony is feeding you BS about what you need, as of now, in next-gen gaming , MS is giving you more of a choice, which I think is better for comsumers. Anyhow that's why sony's rep is going down the drain.
Lies Lies Lies..I would sue to, this is America let's not forget. Trying to undercut the competition is sad. Especially with this pricing scheme.
Microsoft will not win a lawsuit because of this fact sheet. Everything on the sheet is true and Sony never said this is what is needed for gaming.
They simply made a comparison of what their system has and what is needed for the competitors to match their specs. Sony's core system comes with a hardrive, hd player, free gaming online. Compared to the xbox core system you'll pay to have a hardrive, you'll pay if you want to watch hd movies, you'll pay for online gaming.(I'm talking multiplayer games like Call of Duty not geometry wars)the only thing that maybe considered misleading is the wireless controller. Some may think that you need to purchase a controller.
And let's not forget statements Microsoft has made to the public and is on record. "Sony will not produce any 1080p games this year." "Games don't need extra storage." I would consider those statements misleading, reporting the unkown as facts. It is not the case with this fact sheet.
dude, you may as well just give it a rest. this article is swarming with 360 fans who falsly smell the blood of Sony in the cesspool of misled conjecture. there probably isn't a judge in his right mind who would take such a miniscule matter into consideration. Microsoft would do far more harm to their own public-image and credibility by taking Sony to court over this, than this chart itself could ever hope to do.
two market-leading conglomerates are about to go to court over something this trite, and no other gaming site besides engadget reports on it? i mean, this should be industry-shaking news; gaming's two biggest figure-heads going to court, and only engadget is there to vaguely report about it. no ign, no gamespot, no 1up or computerandvideogame, not even gameindustry or next-gen...not even joystiq (JOYSTIQ, we all KNOW how much they like controversy). wow, engadget must be a pretty prestigious website to be the first and only to break such earth-shattering news to the unbiased public. ;)
Big site like those don't report news on Sat or Sun. They are all at home sleeping. Believe me it will be top news on all sites Monday.
"namely because it could be misleading to otherwise unwitting retail employees selling customers game consoles this holiday season."
This was it's entire purpose.
Well if they do manage to get legal action against Sony that'll atleast shut up Sony's horrible Playstation Executives for a fair amount of time.
I used to be a sony fan but I can't stand this mismanagement anymore. And yes when it's in writing there's NO EXCUSE. Because there was no "heat of moment" debate of saying the wrong thing or crossing the line. When it's in writing it's finalized and thought out.
Nice use of an Iron Maiden picture.
I like it. :D
1.) You need to learn to read
2.) MS making statements of opinion (albeit widely popular ones)ARE NOT misleading, and CERTAINLY not illegal.
3.) What Sony did IS illegal, and your ignorance of the facts can't change that. They knew damn well what they were doing, and hoped they could get away with it. Big mistake on their part.
well, according to Microsoft they had an deal with Konami for Pro Evo to be exclusive to the 360 for 12 months. Konami said the agreement was until the end of this year...aprox. 3-4 months. Microsoft wasn't misleading; they flat out lied. and according to Konami, Microsoft's lies may have damaged Konami's relations with other system manufacturers (namely Sony). we don't see Konami taking Microsoft to court over it do we?
...and you know it. That's more akin to Sony trumping Assassin's Creed as "exclusive" and "only possible with power of PS3". We're talking about direct attacks on your competitor, IN PRINT, with false statements. You can't ignore the facts.
UBISOFT was the ones saying that Assassins Creed was "only announced for the PS3." Sony didn't say a thing. Sony hardly even comments on third-party exclusives by name...thats Microsoft's turf (GTA IV, Pro Evo and Fifa etc...and please, don't say that you didn't think PS3 wouldn't have exclusive content for GTAIV after Microsoft announced that they would, that would equate to misleading). and no matter how you slice-n-dice it, Microsoft flatout lied about Pro Evo...and that effected Konami far worse than this chart will Microsoft. Ubisoft can say whatever they want about their own products. Microsoft had no right to lie about a game it isn't even producing, let alone developing. and again, is Konami taking them to court over it? and when is it an attack to list a bunch of features your product has, then list those same features on the competition's product but mention that you'd have to purchase them if you so choose to...(i mean, you ain't gettin them for free).
i don't make a habbit of arguing with prepubescent teens so I'm not going to start. Zypher has validated my point. This isn't even news.
Point out anything that's not factual. No, then sit down and let grown folks talk.
Where the hell do they say you absolutely have to buy the hd-dvd etc.
Bit of misunderstanding here.
That justs means that, for instance, an HD-DVD player has to be bought.
In other words, if you want to use a wireless controller, it's right out of the box with the PS3. If you wanna use one with your x360, you have to buy it.
NO YOU DON'T
Maybe you should try out a 360 "AND THEN TALK"
The Premium 360 COMES WITH WIRELSS CONTROLLER !!!
So that kills that statment.
I will have both consoles, BUT I HATE when folks make statments like this.
Yeah instead of Sony the should be renamed "Foot in Mouth" they kind of do bring it on themselves don't they?
I guess the truth hurts!I remember when M$ put out some bogus ass chart,to show that the 360 was more pwerful than the PS3(It was a bunch of crap).Now Sony puts out a chart the speaks the truth and poor little M$ gets mad!LOL
As far as we know, the 360 IS MORE POWERFUL than the PS3. Of course after launch, when we've all seen the games, the hardware, and tech-nerds have dissected the PS3, we'll know more. But, until then, and/or until Sony even releases final specs for the PS3 (still hiding final info on cell and RSX), we simply won't know.
In reality, they are pretty much equal...tradeoffs on strengths/weaknesses.
The truth??? There's only fabrication, or don't you know what means?
For PS3 Fan and any other members of this site who have a poor grasp of the English language, here is the dictionary definition of next generation.
Definition: pertaining to the next generation in a family; also, pertaining to the next stage of development or version of a product, service, or technology.
Sorry to burst anyone’s bubble who thinks that the xbox 360 isn’t a next generation console.
I'm not even going to begin to say how phucking lame Microsoft can be.
I'd say the same if Sony was going to pull something like this.
SELLS FIGURES!... Or at least what they've figured it'd cost since Microsoft itself says '199$' for the add-on.
I know it's crazy how lame M$ is about this.:( I guess Sony touched a nerve!:P
it's not even worth commenting about really. trust me, Microsoft isn't stupid enough to take Sony to court over something like this. this engadget article is just the rant of a fanboy, the bait he's dangling to rattle the fishies. like most other flame-bait on this site, this'll be forgotten by Monday.
How is it misleading?.....It shows the core system and what you need to match the PS3,If M$ had done this all you Sony haters would have their backs and so would I.Wake up fanboys.
with the premium system ($100 more) you get a ZH!T load more bang for your buck
THAT IS WHAT 90% of folks bought.
Maybe they should use that in the comparision.
The other think they should **NOTE** at the bottom is that
"NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO PAY FOR A UNPROVEN BLUE RAY DRIVE. LET US SEE WHO WINS THE FORMAT WARE FIRST .. THEN BUY A PLAYER
They are SO FUKN FOCUSED on "MOVIES" they are forgetting the games.
They should also have a **NOTE** saying,
"HEY, WE ARE NOT SURE WHAT DEVS WILL CHARGE FOR ONLINE PLAY ... SO JUST PUT A QUESTION MARK IN THAT AREA" -----
And also a **NOTE** saying,
"BTW, FOR ONLY $100 MORE (bringing it up to $499 .. which you would have payed at launch but really retailers are selling bundles at about $450 CANADIAN) TO GET THE PREMIUM 360 YOU WILL GET WIRELSS CONTROLLER, HARD DRIVE, HD CABLES ... SO REALLY BY DOING THIS YOU PUT ABOUT $150 BACK IN YOUR POCKET .. SO REALLY YOU WILL PAY $50 LESS THAN IF YOU BOUGHT THE CORE SYSTEM AND UPGRADED IT"
And one last **NOTE** saying
BTW.. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A HD TV ... BLUE RAY MEANS JACK SH!T TO YOU
No where on there does it say the 360 needs any of those things to function. Aside from being unclassy for a large corporation there is no legal merit. Its a comparion and its 100% correct.
WHY is it Sony fans seem to have the freaking ability not to actually READ the article...I understand it's difficult to click on the link but c'mon.
it says right there: "REQUIRES USERS TO BUY" and the HDDVD is right underneath, as is the HDD, and the wireless controller.
This is what they may be in trouble for. In the business world the difference between not telling the whole truth (exclusive till next year) and telling a LIE (HDDVD required for games)can cost millions.
Maybe I can help with Comprehension since your ability to read is hampered by your ego. Yes it say "requires users to buy". What it doesn't say is users must buy for the console to work. When they requires user to buy they are just saying that it doesn't come with it out of the box. Next time you try to tell me read something, don't.
"REQUIRES USER TO BUY" implies that the User ... is ..... well .... REQUIRED TO BUY these things.
DEFINITION OF REQUIRE:
1. to have need of; need: (He requires medical care.)
2. to impose need or occasion for; make necessary or indispensable (The work required infinite patience.)
3. to place under an obligation or necessity (the situation requires me to take immediate action.)
4. to demand; impose obligation: (to do as the law requires)
FACT IS .. THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
GUESS WHAT ... if you have a core system, YOU CAN PLAY GAMES WITHOUT ANY ISSUES AT ALL.
And if save games is a concern for you (as it should be) ... well a Mem Card is only around $35-40 ... a $100 hard drive is not ... get this ... REQUIRED !!!
So you said ... "When they requires user to buy they are just saying that it doesn't come with it out of the box"
NO THEY ARE NOT ... read the definition of REQUIRE. They were trying to play dirty and GOT CAUGHT
If I buy my kids a toy and that toy "REQUIRES" batteries .... guess what .... as a consumer I take from that the damn thing will not work "UNLESS I BUY BATTERIES" because they are "REQUIRED"
Keep in mind during all this ... I AM GETTING A PS3 .... BUT I AM NOT BLIND to what they are doing and what mistakes they are making .... and I have no issue ADMITTING IT ..... after all .... IT IS MY $600 (actually $700 Canadian)
Obviously we can argue about what they meant all day. When I read "REQUIRES USER TO BUY" I don't see anything to imply that I need it to make it work. All I see is clever phrasing that can be taken both ways. It's up to the indivisual to draw their conclusion. I too will be getting a PS3, but i do agree that if they wanted to they could have used better wording. eg "not supplied". Either way nothing will ever come of this if MS brings it to court.
One the comparrison is misleading in terms of how they are going about the comparison and some of the terminology. But, in fairness to Sony if it is an apples to apples comparison which I am sure is there intent then yes...you can say it is legit.
Two, regardless of how you look at the fact sheet MS has no choice but to try and fight this openly and publicly. They cannot just sit back and let it go unchallenged. Regardless of if they win or not, making sure the public knows they (MS) don't agree with the comparison and are publically calling it bogus is a very important thing for MS to do.
I got a bargin on nov 22 05.
but when i saw that chart last night, the first thought that hit be was "this is not true the 360 doesn't require all these to function..." for anyone missing the point its about first impression on consumer, a mother who doesn't follow gaming like most peeps here or relative shopping around would instantly turned off knowing that all these separate add-ons are "required"
Case n point it was a cheap shot designed to take air out of Msofts marketing run up to christmas shopping season
hence the fierce comeback from Microsoft. I'm sure they've been itching for a chance to take another chunk out of Sony's arrogance and mismanagement.
I think they should make all the CEO's of the Playstation division write out an apology or make a video saying their sorry. You know like when you did something bad to your brother or sister you had to tuck tail and stand before them to explain your misbehavior.
take them to the cleaners microsoft.WHO THE HELL DO SONY THINK THEY ARE.they sony act they are a bunch of KIDS.
Sony forgot to add the fact that the batteries in their controllers cannot be replaced. so every year or two you will have to spend $50.00 on a new controller. On the 360 i just spend a few dollards and buy new batteries. Plus their free online will cost more in the long run, since you will be nickled and dimes to death... paying for demos????
sony has bad luck with lithium batteries too. remember the HUGE laptop battery recall?? i hope the sony boys dont play their ps3 too much or they'll be buying new controllers every 6 months!!
that chart was NOT trying to "see what the 360 would cost when it had all that the ps3 does" if that was the case it should have used the 399 premium console. sony was trying to make it look like the ps3 was CHEAPER than the 360. because you are REQUIRED to buy all this other 360 stuff. that was a flat out LIE, and sony should pay....millions!