SegmentNext - "Let’s take a look at what makes the change in Snake's voice in Metal Gear Solid 5 so important for the followers of the franchise".
I trust Kojima. All may not appear to be how it seems. Either way, I buy a game for the full package, not so it can coddle my old-time favorite voice actor, even when the game director feels like moving onto a new voice talent. Besides, Hayter might still secretly be in the game as Solid Snake (Naked Snake's clone-son). Give Kojima a chance. He never goes out of his way just to anger fans. Now let's all just stop crying about it, and wait to see how this pans out.
Part of my issue is David Hayter's seemingly royal shaft from the franchise as a whole. It comes off as disrespectful to someone who had a hand in making the franchise iconic to western gamers. So I respectfully disagree; the stink fans are making, in my opinion at least, is totally justified. @Donnieboi below I'm just going off of what I know lol. Right now it seems the voice switch is totally finalized and if so, I have lost a lot of respect for Kojima because of it. Hayter is part of the reason MGS is so popular, and as far as I am concerned it is outright disrespectful to just bump him off like that. Furthermore, it annoys me to no end that rather than going with Doyle, at the friggin' least, they decide to go with some gruffy celebrity (from the show 24 I think?) with no prior connection to the series. If this is truly the direction Kojima wants to take and the fans are into it, good for all of them, respect. However, I for one am 100% not interested. This is of course IF we wait and see and everything is exactly as it seems. Frankly I'm a tad tired of the trolling/waiting game these guys keep playing.
I hear what your saying, but look at how many times we've been trolled by both Kojima and Hayter. WHY would Kojima get rid of Hayter in such a cold, calculating way? It makes no sense. I mean, Kojima is seemingly treating David as if he slept with his wife behind his back. That's not like Kojima at all. And the rage he's getting from fans is immense. So why would Kojima really risk all of this? I am of the opinion that Hayter will have a huge role, but not as Naked Snake. But of course we can't go by my personal, seemingly over-optimistic hopes. We can only wait and see. But one other thing IS for certain: That we've been trolled HARD by Kojima in the past. And this could possibly be another trolling. Especially considering the fan-feedback, I honestly can't believe Kojima would truly be this harsh. But in the end, all we can do is wait. I choose to look at the possibility that this may well just be another trolling on Kojima's part (since he does that a lot and also hates to disappoint fans). I love Hayter too, and i'm the probably one of the biggest MGS fans on N4G (of course, Nyxus is probably #1 lol). So yeah it hurts to see him go in such a harsh manner. But something inside of me isn't convinced that Kojima would really be that harsh (especially so publicly--without talking to David first).
@Poprocks: Response to your second edit: Ok i'll spill the beans about what i'm thinking. I think that Keifer is not really Big Boss. I think he is a reflection of Big Boss, who we will play as. Why? Because the first two trailers had Sutherlands voice as the guy in the bandages who was helping Big Boss escape the medical facility. So, it is obviously a trick. YES, we will use a character who thinks he is Big Boss--but he won't really be him (still just my opinion). The reasons why I THINK this is the case is because Kojima was putting up posters of a mirror image snake all over Japan after the first Ground Zeroes reveal. It hinted that the Snake we see, is not the Snake we are getting. This reminds me of Big Boss's perfect clone--Solidus. Solidus is a perfect clone, not a child like Solid and Liquid. Also, we have the whole Kiefer voice for the bandaged guy, which is senseless if Sutherland is also going to be Big Boss.Finally, if you noticed in the trailers, all of the other people in the medical facility were getting slaughtered--but the only one's with the proper stealth skills to escape the facility were the bandaged man, and Big Boss. In fact, the bandaged-mans skills were quite impressive. Just my opinion. But one thing is for sure--hearing the bandaged man speak to Big Boss, using the same voice for both characters (both voiced by Sutherland), would be the strangest and dumbest thing we would ever see Kojima do. There is a lot more to this than we see now. Kojima is definitely up to something quite mysterious, especially if he cast the bandaged man AND Snake with the SAME voice actor. Edit: I'm also sick and tired of the waiting/trolling that Kojima does. We waited long enough, we deserve the truth. However, if Hayter really is expected to return as a young Solid Snake, then we have to be prepared for the possibility that Kojima might not ever tell us of Hayter's involvement--not until post-release (as to avoid any spoilers). Also as a side note: Solid Snake (the clone of Big Boss) was given the same first name as his voice-actor (David). Imagine how wierd that would be when we here Solid being called David, when the voice actor who voiced him for years was treated so arshly by Kojima....I'm sure that must've crossed Kojima's mind. That's why I have a hard time believing Kojima didn't see that issue arising ahead of his "firing" of Hayter. I think this whole Hayter vs Kojima thing is a big troll. I think he'll secretly return as Solid (the son).
You're entitled to your opinion and to voice it as many times as you can... but I can't help to question the reasons why you played MGS series when you say that you're 100% not interested in MGS5. It looks to me that you're narrowing MGS immense quality down to a voice actor and as a long time fan of the series I just don't get it. Its like saying that David Hayter is MGS completely disregarding everything else that makes MGS one of the most beloved franchises in this industry. Kojima is MGS, not David Hayter and as much as it may suck not having Hayter voicing Big Boss, I have no doubt that MGS 5 will be a masterpiece.
This article should read "Why Fans That Pretend To Like Metal Gear And Trust Kojima Are Slapping Him In The Face" The best part of this entire affair was the dignity that Hayter demonstrated....right. Not really the guy that I want playing any Snake. People seem sure that Kojima had an ulterior motive for replacing Hayter. Okay, run with that idea.There may have been an entire issue behind all of this to which no one outside Kojima, Hayter, and a few people at Kojipro were privy. Did it ever occur to anyone that the maturity, or rather lack thereof, demonstrated by Hayter thus far is an indicator of how he may have acted during negotiations with Kojima? Has anyone paused to think that perhaps the story we have heard from Kojima as to why he changed voice actors might at the end of the day be a favor to Hayter rather than stating what really occurred? Look at Kojima and Hayter and make a logical deduction. One of them has publicly acted like a jerk. Which one was it? Besides, it's Kojima. It's truly absurd to act as if Kojima walks on water at every turn and then attack him over this decision. On this most have done nothing but disparage his judgement. I have been a hardcore MG fan longer than most as I have played the titles since Metal Gear and the reality I am likely older than most people here with many not having been born when Metal Gear was released. Personally I never cared for Hayter as Big Boss because I felt it was wrong from a canon point of view. Neither Solid nor Liquid are direct clones of Big Boss. Their DNA was highly manipulated. Only Solidus was a perfect and direct clone. But, after a fashion, the voice worked in MGS3. I trusted Kojima's decision. However, as we have seen in MGS4, voices change over time. Richard Doyle's performance as Big Boss was perfect. And apparently Kojima's remarks concerning the need for Boss to express more with a look or a glance has been lost in the midst of anger that is no more mature than the actions by Hayter himself. I have always trusted Kojima when it comes to Metal Gear. Unlike George Lucas, he has only become better when it comes to expanding his creation. And I trust him now. As for a surprise appearance by Hayter I do not believe that will happen. Hayter's public comments haven't just been words of regret but rather they have encompassed remarks that directly disparage the game and even Sutherland himself. Childish really. Metal Gear is Kojima's universe and we just live in it. I for one am greatly anticipating MGS5 and Ground Zeroes.
@Imalwaysright Hayter isn't everything that makes mgs great, but he is a HUGE part of its personality, its ethos. Ground Zeroes just won't be the same without him, if he isn't there. But still, it is mgs, so I'll probably have to buy it. Worst part though is if its true on how Hayter got the shaft.
@ Cpayne It depends on why you think Big Boss is a charismatic character and to me its not his voice. IMO Big Boss is 98% Kojima and 2%Hayter and that is why I don't really care who voices it. Even if I did care I wouldn't miss out on a MGS game because Kojima decided to change a voice actor. I'm a MGS fan, not a David Hayter fan.
How is it justified if you really do not know for sure Hayter isn't in the game game it do not matter to me if he is or not any more and that's due to all the cry babies I never in my life played a game for the voice and won't start now it sucks but if you play games for the voice acting why buy the game when you can listen to the voice on YouTube lol I do hope he is in it so ppl like you will look stupid for judging to early he should have pulled a mgs 2 and with raiden and not said anything on top of that he said he was going to do something and was sure it was going to upset fan and cause mgsV to flop everyone said go for we will buy the game anyway now that he did it ppl are going crazy and I say ppl not fans cause if you where a fan of mgs then this should not be a big deal if you are boycotting the game for Hayter then don't that make you more of a Hayter fan and not a Mgs fan.
I disagree since he doesnt look anything close to "Snake" anymore and more of the old man we see in MGS4 with Zero on the wheelchair. David Hayter doesnt seem to have a problem with it, so why would you?
Your right I'm over it and I just want to play the damn game
"He never goes out of his way just to anger fans." Right... Because stuff like Raiden switcharoo in MGS 2 and MGS 4 epilogue is a testament to that.
I don't think that was intentional. But good point, none the less lol
Just watch the Gametrailers interview with Hideo last friday morning and it explains why keifer Sutherland was the choice of Snake.It actually makes a lot of sense for him to change it up.Remember Snake is alot older in MGS5 and its made very clear by Hideo.I see where he is going with the franchise and respect him for that decision.
There's nothing sensible about it. Yes, it's an older Snake, but this is Naked Snake, AKA Big Boss who was voiced as an old man by Richard Doyle in Metal Gear Solid IV. Furthermore, if changing his voice to reflect his age is so crucial, why the hell is the Japanese voice still the same? I call shenanigans.
This is just another example of some gamers feeling entitled and afraid of change.
I get all the ups and down and what ifs and changing of actors and fans panty twist.. But what if god forbid theres a hayter accident? would you not rather they get a new actor rather than scrap the whole thing? Believe me I know it hurts some but change is good? They can try and match his voice or take it in a new direction which is what I think they're doing.. I think it'll be fine.. Hell David just might show up in the game.. I just don't like to see gamers or fans quit a game or franchise so easy...
crymeariver new voiceover will not stop ppl from buying this game. crybabies need to get over it already
I still remember the concluding graveyard scene in MGS4 with the gunshot and then the salute. I've never cried so much at a game before. I even cried during the Liquid fight, all of those songs being revived and comprised together thus implying this is the end. MGS4 is an epic, tear-filled journey.
sounds like a lot of crying going on.
Well MGS5 is going to be an epic, tear-filled journey as well. Some of the fans have started crying already.
Oh good god, would all the people complaining like a tissue? How about a crowbar to pry yourselves from hayters sack? You guys are more upset than hayter himself lol
Remember Kojima said he was making the game to feel original like the first time you played MGS1. This is clear by Snake having the goggles look that was shown on the menu of MGS1, he's implemented vehicles which have never really been in an MGS game, also not forgetting its quite open world and the change in voice actor to feel less familiar and completely new. It might seem odd and annoying now but we might be thinking differently when it comes to experiencing this game for the first time. It will feel like an entirely different game and take us by surprise.
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It is not a slap in the damn face. I'm a massive fan, with around 20 years invested in the series, as are many other people. Were all fine with the change. Its the people who have grown up with the voice from MGS onward that seem to have a royal problem with this. Just let the man do his job and stop second guessing him. Nobody here is a game designer, therefore nobody here has any say in what he's doing with his own creation. It is not your franchise, and if you don't like it, go and find something else to be part of.
Same here. My first game in the series was the crappy NES port. However, I'm not so sure that people who grew up with Hayer's voice since MGS1 are the ones with a problem. If that was the case, how could they not tell the difference between Solid Snake and Big Boss?
yes it is a pity that Hayter is not coming back,but i really think Keifer sutherland will do an excellent job.when the game does come out i can see a lot of people will understand why he was chosen for it. he is going to be good.that being said kojima should have rang up David Hayter and explained why he would not be reprising the role of Snake,that would have been the respectful thing to do.i would be pissed if i was Hayter at the lack of respect and professional courtesy shown by Kojima.
Nonsense , keifer sutherland is a amazing actor and is a nice fit as a voice. When your moving from "voice" to "voice +mo-cap" you have to pick someone who fit, especially if you want to let the mo-cap work properly. And why do you all doubt kojima? HIs previous work proved that he know what he is doing , even if you don't like the direction he is taking.
It sucks that Hayter is getting replaced but I would eventually get over it. My issue is the way Hayter has (seemingly) been treated. It just doesn't sit right with me.
i'm disappointed, sure, but i think "a slap in the face" is a bit overdramatic. who knows, he could be amazing in the role. if Kojima thinks recasting is the best thing for the game, that's his choice, when i make a game i can choose the voice actors. but his game, his choice. even if i disagree with it. i will say however, that it doesn't seem like Hayter was treated with much respect over this.
It doesn't seem like he was treated with much disrespect either. I don't think he was treated at all.
that's what i mean, it seems like he knew as much as most people did, which was very little. for Konami and Kojima to not even inform him themselves showed a lack of respect. after a 15 year working relationship, i think he deserves better than that.
I think I am going to throw up if gaming trends continue this douchery. I see more celebrities, mainstream music, developers pushing for photo-realistic graphics, "cool" characters (a.k.a, something some retard stoner, casual gamer faggots would think is "cool"). Lord, Nintendo is starting to look pretty good these days...
Huh that makes no sense the whole point is to make better real looking graphics same with movies lol I guess you would love for games to be 8bit and a super man movie where you can see the wire hold him up as he flies.
No, Metal Gear has always been stylized, even cartoony sometimes. This push for absolute realism is just going to ruin some games.
Serie "24" is very popular in japan
Again, people are getting angry over nothing these days. Just like with the XB|one that certain people are raging over. Ive been a fan of Metal gear since the first one on the Msx, that i played when i was 8 years old. And i see it as a great move to draw in a talented actor as Sutherland, no hard feelings whatsoever. We are still getting a great game.
So one question is the game taking place in a single day. The guy that acted as snake pliskin in escape from LA would havebn the best fr the role.
Sutherland got more talent in his pinky then Kurt Russel got in his whole body, so be glad we got Sutherland instead.
Sorry for going off-topic here guys, but I simply have to ask and hope to get an answer: what the hell is that on his forehead? Big Boss have a horn now?! I've googled it up and couldn't find anything, I've hoped someone would have a explanation for this so long after that trailer... Back on topic: It'll be really weird to see big boss and don't reconize his voice. I'm a huge fan of Hayter's work as Snake and Naked Snake, It's part of what made those characters so great and recognisable in the first place (just as Mark Hamill as Joker) and I can't understand, for the life of me, how Kojima thought this could have been a good idea. With that being said, I'm a bigger fan of Kojima himself and will get the game day one all the same. I'm very disapointed in his decision, but I'm still very much looking foward for it - when we're talking about metal gear solid, the hype train just can't be stopped here! :)
Yes, it wasn't fair on David, but it's only the voice, same people are doing everything else which is the main thing.
Oh so it was a slap in the face when Richard Doyle did Big Boss's voice in MGS4? REAL Metal Gear fans know whats going on. Stop whining like a bunch of babies, even David Hayter knows he is still Solid Snake.
Whereas I, despite having played through the entirety of the cannon series, am not a long term fan, and I am completely okay with the voice change. (I actually never played any game in the series until I got the HD collection in November)
I am in the least affected by the change of voice actor, of course I miss Hayter, but Keifer Sutherland is a very talented actor, lending his voice for Big Boss is a great addition for the series, I always welcome change as long as it doesn't have any negative effect, in which voice acting isn't. Having seen 24 and the movie Lost Boys, I definitely don't have a problem with Sutherland.
PEOPLE! Hayter will voice young snake... which is why they needed to cast a new voice for big boss. It would be terribly weird with Hayter doing the voice of both. This isn't confirmed but I'd be willing to bet this is how it's happening.
If so, cool. But I think they'd have told Hayter, but he seems genuinely out of the loop.
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