Microsoft has attempted to answer some remaining questions concerning their used game policy. This is an in-depth analysis that takes a look at what exactly we know, and what questions remain.
If we can't loan our games, so that means no one can borrow our games. Doesn't lean mean borrow?
No, lean is the opposite of fat, or to place one's body at an angle.
I thought a lean was something you put on your house. For financial reasons.
@Conzul No, that's a lien.
@ Conzul: It's lien.
Seen a couple o this guys videos recently, he is a big time Microsoft apologist. Avoid!
All you need to know is that it's shit, and any self respecting gamer wouldn't touch the bone with a ten foot pole.
A true gamer wouldn't make that comment.
A true gamer wouldn't let a company take advantage of their hobby by releasing a console that may potentially change the gaming industry for the worse.
A true gamer wouldn't defend the kind of anti consumer BS Microsoft is trying to force on consumers. Honestly this apologist nonsense is getting really out of hand, just how badly does MS have to screw you before you start feeling ashamed?
A true gamer would not defend M$ appalling DRM etc policies, your a fanboy so I don't expect anything better from you but all true gamers should never accept the crap M$ are trying to peddle.
A true gamer plays games that interest him or her, regardless of console or method of delivery. Period. If true gamers didn't support DRM, they wouldn't buy games on PSN, Steam, WiiWare, or XBLA. I hope I don't have to tell you how many truly great games they would miss out on if that were the case.
A true gamer wouldn't even rent or buy 2nd hand games. They would support the developers/gaming industry & buy the game new on day of release, not wait for it to become 2nd hand or rent it. Exactly how much do you think your giving back to the developers of these great games by doing that. Nothing that's what. Also it's not Microsoft or Sony that's doing these things, it's the developers themselves. Sony will allow you to do what you want with their exclusives, as are Microsoft by letting the complete family play the whole Xbox library on any console. But the other developer will want their pound of flesh for their titles,,blame Microsoft If it makes you feel better, but just wait till E3 to find out they won't be alone. Great, lets all not buy TLOU, lets wait for it to become 2nd hand or rent it. Go ask ND if they would be happy if everyone rented their game. Lets leave them on the shelves & rent them, great idea.
Come on, how much crap this generation was released for $60 + or released needing a patch the size of Texas at release. I say if a developer isn't taking their job seriously then why should I has the consumer have to pay top dollar for it. But keeping them your monies day one without a second thought, we need more commercials to advertise what the game should have been instead of the usual crappy product that spewed after.
I buy used games but I also support the developer. If they want my money they have to earn it. They aren't entitled to it. Give me some worthwhile DLC or add ons that weren't locked away on the disked. I'll happily give you my money. I really didn't mind online passes because I mostly play single player games but if I did have to play multiplayer I would be willing to do that. We can blame MS they are the ones setting up the infrastructure. I won't be able to play offline more than 24 hours. What's that?
'A true gamer wouldnt even rent or buy 2nd hand games' Well i'm a true gamer then as I only buy new and don't even trade them, but they have no chance of me buying more if they put restrictions on my purchase and try to control gaming the way M$ are doing, no gamer with an ounce of common sense should put up with it.
Well...if we all waited to buy TLOU second hand, who bought it the first time? If we rent it, I'm pretty sure Red Box had to buy their copies, unless they bought them all used! Which brings me around to my 1st question.
I know that MS was writing that it`s up to publishers and they will not block used games and so on, BUT the feeling that I get is that once people bought it they will change their own policy to enforce more restrictions. I wouldn`t fully rule out that Sony does something similar, but I`m slightly more optimistic that Sony`s solution to the BS demands from Publishers will be less draconian and simpler to understand compared to the vague explanations that MS has written up there just days after saying they need to communicate better. The reason I trust MS less is simply because they killed of the Xbox 1 as soon as they could (nVidia had there hands in it as well), they mostly killed of core gamer support for the 360 at the time when Kinect was launched, focusing on how much more TV they can add while making only a small amount of core games with Forza, Gears of War and Halo sequels. Sony is launching the PS4 this year and they still bring out 2 new IPs for the PS3 and have a good amount of games for the core audience even though they support 3 systems right now.
Damage control tactics. On the pay roll of MS. Just to make you confused about buying it. It is about letting them now that we do not accept such a product that hijacks the community and destroys our hobby for corporate purposes. Don't buy it. You don't need to purchase a ps4 to send a message. But by buying the competitors product over theirs it will send a louder message. Buying a ps4 would actually be boycotting Xbox One. If PS4 install base greatly outpaces Xbox One, the developers will have to support PS4 and the gamers to survive. MS will have to change policy or bail-out. But we will still prevail as a gamer community.Sony already has a broad open platform view with Indie Devs at it's helm. If Sony is smart in their DRM policies they can Double their install base they don't need the Draconian DRM or side with the corporate/publisher view(their misguided road).
Well said Tyre bubble for you.
'Share access to your games with everyone inside your home' You mean other other people can play the games I own in my own home? Gee, thanks Microsoft! Gotta love how something so obvious is being listed as a console feature.
The Kinect has the ability to tell whether a user is playing that is not the owner of the content. How long before we get 'fee to play' for those that don't own the content? At this point, I wouldn't rule anything out as being even too underhanded for Microsoft.
Well can you all your family play gears of war at the same time from multiple consoles now ? Wow, I thought you'd all need a copy each for that. That's the difference, if you have a family with 3 kids all owning an Xbox one, they can all play the same game installed on the family game list, saving parents a fortune by only needing to buy one game. But you knew that right.
Well it says that any ONE of your family member can play a game from the shared list at a certain time. That means if you have 3 kids that 2 can play the shared games at the same time.
iirc, it's multiple users on one console. Not multiple users on different consoles. If you have multiple consoles at home, you won't be able to play at the same time with one copy of a game. Yes,technically you only need one copy of a game.
Anyone that is a registered member of your house hold and has and account can play your games on any Xbox-one whether it is in your home or at someone else's. This is with physical and downloaded content. On top of that M$ is supporting use games sales but is giving publishers the power to claim or not claim part of the profit. Publishers need to work out something with resellers to see how this will work and be transparent to gamers. The M$ is the best policy put forward so far, and it can even help PC gamers.
I agree, I really can't see how this can be seen as a bad thing. I for one will save money by only having to buy one of each game instead of three. I understand it will only be exclusives, but it's still a good idea.
from the website "You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time." It`s any one, not anyone. That means that one single other person would be able to play one of your games at the same time. You won`t be able to have 9 other family members playing at the same time your shared games. Only one can play at the same time of those 9 people. Also there is no information if you can add all the games to the shared game list. That could be something that`s only optional. MS reserved also the right to change it`s policies in the future meaning if they want in the first year they can have used games enabled for all their games and after that have every new game they release blocked used games. Sure it can help PC, because people don`t want to put up with that shit and will be more then happy to switch to PC and the same goes for Sony if they do the same shit.
i still don't understand how some gamers can defend this system. 90 percent of all my games were bought new, i rarely borrow games of a friend but i will not accept the fact i pay all this money, support the developers who truly deserve to be supported and some company who does not give a damn about games just on how to make more money off me wants to dictate how i enjoy my hobby no way. reports says 90 percent of next gen buyers will buy the console that their friends are getting i will educate all my friends on how thety would be making the biggest mistake if the buy the xbox one and i suggest other gamers who feel like i feel to do the same
Nice dogs! Other than that, I don't want M$ to do me a huge favor by "allowing me" to share the games (that I have purchased) with my 30day or more older friends under Mikroshaft's surveillance. Until M$ announces that used games policy is ditto like 360, "Xobx, go Fk yourself" I'm done with these wordplays.
They also allow you to trade in games, see how generous they are? I don`t know why they get so much bad PR when they are such a nice bunch of people. I wasn`t thinking about that until you mentioned it with their surveillance, but with the option to only trade with people that are on your friends list. It`s very easy to track where games go to and what shared interests you have with that person.
"It's very easy to track where the games go...." Couldn't agree more. The real question is, who wants to track it? 1) you? why?? 2) M$? thats what I was talking about. Even if someone gifts that VCR-accessory box for the holidays, I don't even wanna plug it in. Or, On second thought, I may just plug it in so that folks over at M$ Kinect2 espionage team can watch me playing PS4 :D P.S. I have last bubble left for this thread. I should use it wisely.
im not being funny but no matter what microsoft do americans will always be up there beeehinds so i guess ms willdo well only in america
I don't know if it is so much if an "'Merica...fuuhhck yeah!" thing as it is a "dude..bro...gotta get that Xbox" thing. That is to say, MS has done well in other places outside of America. Sure, they DO have a foothold in the US, but it's more of a "trendy" thing. They have become, even in the industry, the default console. 3rd parties usually show their games on Xbox first. Marketing push shows commercials that seem as though it is the only console that the games will release on. It has become the iPod of consoles. So, I agree that MS will probably still do well in America because MS have become a household name. Most consumers don't really care where a product is made (see success of Walmart).
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