NowGamer: If one thing was made transparently clear with the latest round of Xbox One announcements, it's that Microsoft is no longer worried about pleasing you.
Sell it to the publisher then. See if it'll get anywhere.
Hahhaha was about to say the same thing.
Such a good article kudos now gamer. You don't own your games you licence them.. FACT What happens if you miss a 24hour login period ? You can lend games...... BUT Game lending will NOT be available at launch..... WTF lol.... and you get certain*clowns* defending this crap
If they don't need us, we don't need they too.
Makes me wonder if XBOne will even see the light of day. I think all of the eBay'ers are gonna go bust on this console's launch. My PS4 pre order is half completed.
Your right about one thing Microsoft: It's not for me!
Fact: XBOXone owners don't own the games they buy, only the license to play them. XBOXone owner: Buy xbox one > insert 2 AA batteries into controller > Buy 50gb bluray license disc > pay online access fee > watch tv > access cloud > DOG > play game PS4 owner: Buy PS4 > buy game > play game WiiU owner: Waiting for Zelda game...
Now you know why there are no post e3 conferences from Microsoft... They have no idea how to be HONEST their revelations yesterday opened up more questions due to the shady cloudy nature of their 'clarification' yesterday
Still when you have the publishers sold, then they in return award you with great games ( which might not come to the PS4 then ) Thats why im almost certain that the PS4 will have some measures against used games as well. I do think that they will be slightly better for us then xbox ones though.
@OlgerO If everyone buys a PS4 the devs have no choice but to come. They might be able to give the Xbone exclusivity in the beginning, and it may get some people to buy it, but if the PS4 installed base outnumbers that of the Xbone they won't continue to do that.
I think it's really sad that this is labeled a game console, go buy the "Nazi Box One" and pay a fortune. Hail Hitler! It's silly that a gaming console has gone to the extreme that they have to ensure that producers and publishers are getting their money. I agree that Gamestop and Gamefly need to give them a percentage cut per game sold or traded, rented or whatever. But doing it in digital format, making me ownership of a license is an entirely different feeling, it means that I am not connected to the game anymore. When I was a kid and buying a new PS game I opened it up from the plastic, peeled the sticker off the side and then popped open the game (much like I do today) and with a sort of smile that new game smell wafts out for the first time when you open it and see "Final Fantasy" on the disk for the first time. There is something pleasant in that factory smell, that makes a gamer melt. Is it just me or am I going to miss that? I'm down for the DRM movement if it doesn't mean that I have to lose my connectivity with the actual disk. If I buy a digital title I want a physical one coming to my house in the mail. I like the library. It's comforting to see it sitting next to my television, the stack of games lining up beside it. But I don't want that stack to be obsolete when I can't trade the game, lend the game or whatever because XBox has rights now... Bummer. I like the DRM because it's actually (simplistically) better for the environment. Kudos world for evolving! But somewhere along the way we took a look back and said "DRM, not the way we've always done it," and people are sacrificing a lot for this movement, when all XBox had to do was work out rights with the 2nd hand marketplace. In short, it's not the end of the world, but I hope that people vote with their wallets like the article says and shows XBox just who exactly they decided to screw with. And don't get me started on the internet connecting once daily to play it. I don't even have XBox Live now because I don't want to pay for something just to play videogames. There are millions without internet that are going to buy the PS4 instead, because (so far as I know) it isn't a requirement.
Of course Xbox One is for gamers. 15 EKSKLUSIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We LOVE needing a never down internet connection in order to play games. But hey, if our internet goes down, at least TV and Movies don't have restrictions placed on them right? FANTASY FOOTBALL! And who doesn't love having to register 10 friends/family members who've known you for more than 30 days to play your games. It's even great that you can trade your game to one friend one time and that if they want to trade it, they'll have to pay. GAMERS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT FOR YEARS! Kinect always on? Yes sir. Gamers love the idea that Kinect is never fully off, only paused or in a low power state. Privacy? What the hell is that? Must be some hippy garbage. And how great is it that publishers get to tell us who we can sell our games to and for how much they can be resold? I don't know about you, but I've always wished to be stripped of my ability to have a good ol' fashion yard sale to sell my games at. Screw outdated concepts like first sale doctrine and consumer rights. CONVENIENCE FOREVER! *There are people who actually sound like that, who believe in the anti-consumer B.S. that Microsoft are pulling. They hide behind the "it's the future of the industry" line. NO, it's NOT the future of the industry unless we LET it be. Stand up for your rights and yell out #ScrewYouMicrosoft.*
Sony said that its up to the publishers to use DRM in PS4. if so then how would the publishers enforce DRM in this case? also I heard that you can install PS4 games to the HDD, how would Sony prevent abusing this feature?
just like some games on ps3 that gives you the option to install games on hdd (better load times) you still need the disk on tray for security purposes
Most likely you will need to insert the disk to prove you still have the game, just as many PC games have done since forever. If a developer wants to enforce DRM it's very simple, they could just include a one time use activation code just as they do now for online passes. But such games had better make it very clear on the packaging that this game requires internet access in order to activate the game.
"Most likely you will need to insert the disk to prove you still have the game, just as many PC games have done since forever." Maybe not. If the fee to play a used game would be full price, then such check wouldn't be necessary. MS would still get their $.
@Wintersun616 We're talking about the PS4. For the XB1 no disk is required since every game install is locked down with DRM and checks with the mothership every 24 hours.
@kneon, Oops, indeed you were. My mistake. Should've started reading from GamersRulz' comment.
If it's anything like XBox it'll be coded, like mentioned above.... like computer games. That's why I don't really like the DRM movement, I have really mixed feelings on it. I like it because digital format is awesome, I can play it anywhere anytime. I don't like it because of all the licensing restrictions that keep me from swapping or lending the game. I don't like having ownership of a license, I have ownership of the game itself. What's the point in collecting video games (as I do) if I can't collect these games? In twenty years we will look back at this point and go "man we really came a long way since then, remember how barbaric we all were? Glad that they decided to drop the disks in general and make everything digital... now I send a game via email, and swap out between friends at the price of five bucks. Ah times have changed. And my NES and SNES games cost a fortune now! Glad I started collecting when I did! My heirs are going to inherit a fortune one day!"
Microsoft is doing no good for the industry, please people, do the right thing and buy a PS4.
I love these Fanboy opinions, lol!
What about the consumer opinions? Please drop "fanboy" from your vocabulary and engage in a conversation.
and I love ms sheeple and viral marketers trolling
That's easy for someone to say when they haven't experienced world class gaming from Sony, don't worry, I'm sure you will find a nice place for Sony in you heart. Thank you Sony for giving us what we gamers deserve, our freedom. God bless you Sony.
Okay they can have it. I'll get a PS4 and upgrade my PC, if I'm getting a system with DRM and whatnot, I'd prefer a way more powerful system than Xbox One.
Most games are not worth $60 US. Watch new games sales tank as people no longer have option to get rid of crap ware.
bro if games became $60 standard in AU then holy shit i would throw my money easily ! We dont have a standard here , games new range from $69 - $99
Yeah. As if most games back then were worth the $40 to $80 they were charging.
LMFAOOOOOOOOO that avatar is epic
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OH MY GOD..... Micoshafts BoneBox Done has been the best source of entertainment for the industry in ages! I simply cannot believe how wrong they got the upcoming next generation. Consumers will punish them brutally for this greedy focus against core gamers. Give me my PS4 ALREADY!! haha
'Micoshafts BoneBox Done' And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously.
Not for me? What a pity. LOOOOOL, I don't need this crap when I have PS4 and Sony who cares about both their customers, developers and publishers. F*ck you, Microsoft.
Having supported MS since 2001 with Xbox, then my day one pre-order/purchase of Xbox 360, the GOLD subs, the RROD, the limited MS Studio support since mid 2010... We invested 12 or more years with the Xbox brand, and MS thank us with this?!! Sony it's up to you now... #onesadgamer
hopefully this move will force us gamers to take a stand. we only have our selves to blame for letting all these companies think they are above boycotting. the arrogance of microsoft is mind boggling. the ball is in your court Sony
Just playing devil's advocate for a moment. What if all the publishers decide that these restrictions are great and decided to make games only for Xbox instead of Xbox and PS4. Or what if publishers like it so much they demand Sony also do the same thing if they want multiplats?
That does not make any sense. Lets say COD sells 14 mil and activition decides that because Sony does not want to play allong then COD will be an Xbox one exclusive even if the Xbox sells very well because of COD being exclusive it will still fall very very short of that mark which means a massive loss in revenue.
I'm using my last bubble for this just so you know. If they decide to go exclusive on Xbox because of the freedoms to receive more credit for the game and screw PS over with exclusive rights, I wish them luck. PS fans and publishers will have people beating down the door to release on their console because they are actually supporting what the hell it's all about in the first place... the Gamer! Power to all of us for voicing our opinions, I hope XBox chokes... Speaking of which, any TOOL fans? This is fitting: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
This is one seriously well thought out and well written article. Well done sir, well done.
Microsoft is just trying as hard as it can to make money without regard to what the Xbox fans want. They're exploiting their fanbase with their needless nickel and diming, they released inferior hardware knowingly in order to cut costs, they allow no 3rd party peripherals, they want more money for used games ... it's just so sad what the industry's come to that this is even accepted by the sheeple.
Many people here are completely missing the point, gamers are not the target audience of the X1, its the casual non gaming audience that's the primary target. MS knows that after all the bitching and moaning and groaning everyone who wants to play halo 5 (which are millions) will buy the X1 regardless of its gaming policies. Its just like COD games, you hear so much moaning and groaning on how bad and overrated they are but then they sell multimillions in a few days year after year. Gamers will buy this no matter what they do to it just to play Halo and COD, no question in my mind there, even if some people fall off the MS wagon they will be easily offset and surpassed by the real MS target, the non/casual gamer who outnumber real gamers something like 10-1 probably (random guess on my part). I won't be getting a X1 at launch or for a while after (unless they do something radically amazing at E3) but I know it will sell a crapload of units and MS will be laughing their asses off while rolling carts of money over the backs of gamers who gave them their name in gaming.
Xbox one is too complicated to attract causals at this point. Think about it, how many of those COD sales play offline or have no Internet? how many of those have an HDTV? take those things away and COD becomes a shadow of it's former self on Xbox. Most assuming that causals will somehow understand Xbox one more than core gamers, is wishful thinking. From any logical stand point Xbox one doesn't make sense for the core or causal gamers. And any way you look at Xbox one WILL lose sales from those with no internet, no HDTV and some of their core audience(which has been vital to their success this gen).
nah, you're underestimating the casual, from their reveal all they focused on was how to watch and interact with your tv and social media seamlessly. It was simple to understand and they kept pushing the cable box experience to the viewers. You have to think of it as smartphone users, most want simple things with a smartphone and as long as it does what they want easily and looks good they don't care about the rest. This is what MS is trying to do. It will have the other aspects for the more technical people but it is designed to be plug and play with seemly navigation and usability, that's all they need in that aspect. Also people with no internet and no HDTVs are clearly not their demographic. I do not live in the US or even a First World country but its clear that they are the target audience, the people with Tablets and smartphones, Netflix and HBO. These are the people who have internet, who have HDTVs and they are quite a large portion of the first world. 5% of that market is probably larger than the entire mainstream console gaming market in its entirety. That's why I think they will succeed, you tap the normal man/woman on the street and that's a huge market to dig into, unfortunately the gamers are the ones left behind in that scenario.
I don't get why publishers want a share of money from a used game! I was reading how David Jaffe was defending his "right" to get money out from a used game sale because he is the developer and not gamestop. I am sorry, but we, the consumer decide who we sell OUR games to. They already got their share out of the first sale. If they only got 1% or 99% of that price, it's up to them to negotiate with publishers, but once they sell their game, and the consumer pays for it, it no longer is their concern anymore. They blame GameStop because they sell used games, but might as well be a friend. They only difference is that they decided to make a business out of it (and a very profitable one at that). What happens is that publishers and developers want MORE money from a sale they already got money from. You don't see Ford implementing restrictions on their cars to get money when you sell your used car to someone else, or buy a used car yourself. You don't see LG shutting your TV until you pay a fee for buying it used. Microsoft (and maybe other companies such as Sony) are trying to excuse themselves only because is software, and now giving the shameful excuse that the disc is only a way to "deliver" the software which is only a license (that you don't own) That is complete BS! If publishers and developers want more money. Then make more games, give more value to the consumers when making the game. They want to get money for free! and in my understanding, that is STEALING!. They have to WORK to get the consumer's money. They need to increase value in their games, but the contrary is what's happened with DLC and releasing incomplete games. Why do they expect the consumer to spend $60 (in other countries even more) for a new game which is incomplete, so that then they sell you the rest (no additional value and not additional effort) and then, they want more money by trying to control how you own the game and who you can sell it to and how much you can get out of it. These practices are so wrong. They are not just anti-consumer, but also immoral. This is like having a monopoly. The reason there needs to be competition is because that's the only way to have better quality and better services. It's the only way to have a company WORK for the consumer's money. However, with what Microsoft is doing with the Xbox One, is allowing them to get money with no effort at all! and if they succeed there will be other companies that follow, and in no time, we will live in a world where we no longer own anything. We will live in a world where the companies will get the money, but what we have will be tied to a temporary contract and they will decide how much it last, so that we MUST "buy" their next product. This is a terrifying movement not only for the US but for the entire world, and can only be stopped with your wallets. The Xbox One needs to bomb in sales. We the consumers, must let Microsoft and publishers know that what they are doing is not tolerable by NOT buying their console. And if Sony does that too, then we need to NOT buy their console either. We need to NOT allow companies to control our products we buy with our hard-earned money. That simple!
if sony and nintendo tried to pull this type of stunt it would be chaos.but since this is MS there are some people who are willing to accept anything.even alot of gaming website's are against this but the loyal fanboys just to blind to understand. i guess MS stands for Multiple Suckers.pay for online then gold,now check in every 24 hours.oh and no you can't borrow or sale this game until we say-so.we are going to need game reviews now more then ever to avoid the crappy&five hour games. MS fanboys=Multiple Suckers lol
Folks just dont get it. Publishers are protecting their investments nothing wrong with that. Gamers are spoiled because things are changing and they can't do some of the stuff they are custom to doing.
Who do you think pays for those investments hmm? Gamers are spoiled? These publishers wouldn't exist today without gamers. Stop being a shill.
they can buy the bloody thing then, because i'm not gonna.
oh, it isn't for me? Alright I won't buy it then, thanks for letting me know :)
We are at a crossroad. Gamers need to think long and hard about who and what they endorse as we move into the next generation. We are looking at the future of gaming here. Do we want to accept this blatant monetization and corporate greed? Those that do will be lined up outside of their stores to welcome this brave new world of gaming. One in which you don't own what you buy. One in which the games only work if the publisher deems you worthy. I say f this noise. Unfortunately IQ's have sunk of late. I still think people will rush to buy. Choose your path carefully. It may just destroy gaming as we know it!
The customer is always right, Microsoft. The Xbox One should put gamers first, developers second and publisher's third.
Xbox is for capitalism Not gamers.
What? You rather have communism in which there's no competition at all?
Id rather have socialism or a star trek-ish nation. No money or the desire to keep buying up everything. One world one people
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