EuroGamer - After lots of confusion, Microsoft has finally outlined how it will deal with the used games issue... mostly.
Didn't Sony say the same thing?
They haven't said anything yet, and I really hope they don't follow this path. People sit there and tell me "oh but developers deserve every ounce of money from used games, it's not fair for them" Look car manaufactures, clothing stores, ect ect. No place does this, not even movies. I trade my games in to buy new games. I loan my games out to friends because I want to.
Companies' profits are down and they blame used game market and piracy. When instead they should be blaming themselves for bastardizing games with terrible MP, ridiculous dlc practices, terrible story and etc. Oh but no they can't do that because then they would be blaming themselves.
Sony said they wouldn't ban used games and that it would be up to the publishers. They mentioned this back in February and reiterated it once again to let everyone know they WOULD NOT be doing what Microsoft is doing with their DRM.
Your car manufacturers thing is nothing, most car manufacturers get their cash from SERVICE, they could care less about used cars, in fact they want it, because used cars have problems and if they have problems they have to go to service, and they charge 500 dollars or what not to fix this and that. 500 for each person and a lot of people per day, they make the cost back on that used car that was sold. The used car argument is not valid. Used games are different. They NEED MONEY for their next project and used games doesn't help them at all.
"They haven't said anything yet, and I really hope they don't follow this path." Actually they have. They said it in February. PS4. NO online requirement. NO mandatory camera. Disc based used games will work on every PS4 even if used. Online registration (i.e. online passes) will be left up to publishers. Microsoft are the ones that came at the issue with things like fees and "participating retailers" and such. Not Sony.
When someone buys a used car, should that car makers get money for it? No & those rules should apply here too.
@Nitrowolf2' "Look car manaufactures, clothing stores, ect ect" You really think a car manufacturer will allow a dealership to sell a new car to someone, have them return it in 30 days and then allow the dealership to sell it again but keep all the revenue while the car manufacturer gets nothing? Do you think Levi jeans will allow retailers to sell their clothes while Levi jeans on the other side of the store, that are new just the tag removed, and of those sales none of it goes back to them? They would pull their clothes. Even the Government gets revenue on used items by taxing them again. The other problem using a car as an example is used cars depreciate. People will pay more for a new car. When you have a store like Gamestop selling used games for $5 cheaper and pushing them to the consumer while telling them they are just like new the customer doesn't care that much. The experience is the same but that revenue does not go to the game developer. So you have all of these people repeating the same experiences while only paying once. It's like you going to see a movie, and giving your ticket to a person in line so they don't have to pay. Does Disneyland allow you to have a wristband and buy a day pass then allow you to leave mid-day and pass it on to another person waiting to pay at the cashier? Why not, you paid for the day? Parking meters do the same thing, you can park all day for a set price but leave in a few hours and the next car has to pay again. That's how a business should be run to maximize profits, by eliminating the middleman. Why is it ok for Gamestop to make money off used games hut not the publishers?
MS: Let's copy what the competition says because we're clueless.
They haven't said anything about used game fees.
they did say that it would be up to the publishers, but seeing as how you can use the PS4 completely offline with no check-in required, you can probably bank on being allowed to lend your games to your buddies (even if they aren't on your friends list) however many times you want, rent games, and a lot of other things the xbone won't allow you to do. @ sexygamerdude: wrong, they've said from the very beginning that anything used-game related would be up to the publishers. they're also well aware of the backlash MS got just from harrison opening his fat mouth, so i doubt they'll implement any policy like that.
Yeah, they said that the DRM will be there but will be optional for publishers to decide if they want to use it or not. So we should all turn out focus to the publishers and let them know that this type of stuff won't stand.
why did you have to drag Sony into this?!?!? Microsoft made this mess them self's....
This doesnt make sense.I thought that since games are installed on the hard drive and linked to a profile was the reason you had to pay a fee to have it transferred to another [email protected] Since there is no mandatory install nor games linked to a console for the PS4 there shouldnt be a transfer fee because theres nothing to transfer from and to.So no Sony didnt say the same thing. I think MSFT changed their minds.Because if it was like this from the beginning you would be able to do this from launch.. Okay read the article it appears they changed their minds about mandatory installs I think. "Unfortunately, Microsoft admitted that loaning and renting games won't be available at launch, but it's "exploring the possibilities with our partners."" And now they are doing it the same way PS4 does it.Its just that MSFT arent actually saying that they changed how it works, they are just going to pretend like it was like this from the beginning. So in a way #XBoneNODRM WORKED!..I think....sorta.. not really...too confusing.. im just gonna stay away from it when it release and see whats what, because I doubt they go any further at e3. Edit: I dont know why people keep throwing PS4 in there.You dont even have to connect to the internet with the PS4 so any form of DRM on the ps4 will be from the publishers like online pass and Online based games.Nothing like the always online mess with the XBOne
They are not doing it like the PS4. The Xbone will have online registration, and that changes everything. The PS4 will handle games like the PSA3 does it. The Xbone will have DRM that can turn off off your games or start to charge fees at anytime.
Your right I should edit that but its too late.And now after re-reading the other article I can see they didnt change their minds. " Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. " So it can either be free, a fee (according to what was just stated in this article) or they wont allow you to transfer at all.Man these sly dogs sure know how to play with wording lol.And they are still giving mixed explanations as a result..
Sony did say this.... "While in past interviews he stated the PS4 will not block used games, he teased the tech to do so does exist in the console itself. The feature would be entirely optional and left up to individual publishers to decide if they want to use it for their games. He also teased Sony would not be using this feature for any game they develop on the PS4." http://www.screwattack.com/... If you leave it up to publishers you can bet the farm they will...well you know. The good news is Sony made games won't do this...Hopefully
People just try to imagine what would happen if Sony did not follow microsoft with this new policy. Their console would be much less appealing to publishers, and they would miss out on a lot of games. They will have to at least put some measures in place on the PS4.
wow now I need permission to trade/sale/play the game I BOUGHT WITH MY HARD EARNED CASH!.....and what if I live in an area with no internet? I cant play then? I read their explanation and it also says anyone can play your games on your console....well thanks dad...I mean MS. theres just too many rules for stuff im paying for...no thank you...ill wait for ps4 and what they have to say...they've already said no online needed to play it so ive already threw my wallet at them lol....xflop one has failed us.
This I know for a fact I will not be supporting games that implement anti-consumer measures just on principle.
Why else do you think EA retired the online pass?
'' To play used games you will have to: - Turn Kinect on - Do a little dance - Make a little love - Get down tonight All while wearing the correct coloured underwear. ''
Right on all but one. You don't have to turn it on, because it's always on. And always it is listening.
So this is exacly like PS4, DRM up to developers. It's still very bad for those who buy most if not all used games like me (yeah i'm not a millionaire to buy $60 game new every time blah blah blah. Microsoft) but not as bad as original posts about X1 used games. X1 just got me on it's side just little bit but still I'm 95% with PS4. Just get rid of once in a day checks, kinect requirements. But still PS4 FTW. EDIT; Its up to publishers not developers. I always confuse them.
It's not exactly the same. On the Xbox One DRM is mandatory and some developers may allow you to transfer your license. On the PS4 there is no mandatory DRM and it's up to the publishers to add it if they want it.
You shills keep getting it wrong. The PS4 and XB1 are NOTHING alike with the DRM. You can rent, borrow, trade and play PS4 games without it being tied to your account. Please stop spreading misinformation to smear the PS4. I'm no Sony fanboy but it really does bother me when people purposefully spread misinformation to spin perception.
Now guys which developers do you think will put drm in their games. I'll go with EA, Activision, Capcom, Avalanche Studios. Any more?
All of them that's just how it is now. So, Sony fans quit fooling your selves DRM is Headed your way.
This whole lending games thing dosnt bother me to much. But on the other hand EAs online pass totally fucked me over with used games. Imagine coming home after paying for a used game only to be charged for an online pass. In micorsofts case 800 points. It has put me right off now I see why ea has canned this process. Next gen will be implementing this ts features that includes ps4 they will confirm this soon. But sony are being smart by letting xboxone receive all this bad press. So I guess E3 is the place to be. Blow me away Microsoft or im building a pc!
Microsoft won't charge transfer fees and Microsoft will allow you to transfer games, but its up to developers to decide if they want to do that with their games. So while Microsoft is trying to look like the good guys by not charging fees, we all know that companies like EA, Capcom, Activision, and others Will. Plus if its up to them whether you can even trade at all. Do you really think they will?
Did anyone else catch the "wont be available at launch" part?
No loaning or renting at launch regarding used games. It could mean there was not one to begin with.
I saw that. It just tells me that they were truly caught off guard by peoples reaction to their DRM. It also tells me that Phil Harrison was telling the informed truth. It is also noticing that they will only allow games to be transferred once. So Gamestop still wouldn't be able to trade in used Xbone games because the used copies would not be transferable once the customer bought them. Also one has to wonder how the used game store is going to know whether a game has already been transferred before before not.
what i understand is you personally can give the game away for free once but you can sell the same game several times to a specific retailer many times as the retailers put on new codes through MS's software.
Then that's crap as well. If I give a game to my cousin then he can't in turn give it away but he can sell it only to people that Microsoft has deemed worthy.
There is some truth to this. Think of consoles as the middleman. The purpose of the middleman is to meet the needs and expectations of the two parties. The console maker wants to sell console. The developer wants maximum profits and the gamer wants entertainment at a great price. Mix it all together and the compromise becomes clear. This has become an industry problem for gamers as a whole and is seperate from their respective abilities to provide quality games. That means people need to accept that all the consoles today are heading this way, some faster than others, and some in different ways. This is one of those things where it's asked that fanboyism of an opposing console be temporarily placed on hold. A sudden clear and present danger is imminent amongst us. For we have, for the first time, become an outnumbered and endangered group to a power much, much greater to us now...and a little less if we stand together. All these years these companies have been chipping away at things we, as gamers, hold so dear. All the while we were watching each other in a battle for superiority. Each holding our respective flags to the console we represent, we still today, use an industry wide problem to attack one console. We aren't justifying our choice based on games anymore. Now we are divided because one console is screwing us a little less than the other. The time has come to see the big picture and look past the illlusion...at least for now. We need to stand together and attack Microsoft...and after that Sony...until none of them follow the wagon. It is because we stand divided that they are getting away with online pass. It is our dilluted and misguided perceptions that allowed a season pass 2 to emerge. It is why they laugh at us when we demand some form of entitlement for giving them our money. Why? Well because we are standing tall...and not standing together. It's time we throw down our respective flags and think about who the real enemy is.
And people wonder why others still drive older cars. It's less of hassle of trying to fix your own car, I can tell you that. I'd rather deal with online passes than the complete reregistration of every game. It's the lesser of evils in my humble opinion.
If companies want to profitise from used game sales this is not the way to go. The logical way is to reasonably price games and make sure they are inline with used game prices. So no more 1 year old games being sold for £30. This especially applies to digital sales whereby to purchase battlefield 3 right now you would have to pay £50 more than you would have to pay for the physical game on launch day source= https://store.sonyentertain... The De Facto (possibly De Jure but that's optimistic) standard should be full price for 2 and a half months then around £15 or $20 for about three and a half months then £10 or $15 for the next year dropping to £5 or $7/8 there on after. This would be hugely profitable because you get the hardcores initially then those on the fence about the game then those who may have heard good things about the game from friends (who may have been initial buyers or on the fence) as well as those with tighter financial restrictions. Also at the £10 stage I would recommend putting the game on PlayStation plus and at the £5 stage this is stressed even more.
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