Kotaku - In two weeks' time, we may look on this as one of the smartest PR moves of all time. But for now? It's been a bad day for Microsoft.
Xbox One really haven't had a good day since May 21st.
Agree, everything I keep hearing about it is bad the console is so anti-consumer it is ridiclous
Ug I was really really hoping these rumors were fake. Seriously MS better hope that Sony F's up, because this just sealed the deal for me. I never owned a xbox console, but I was still hoping for something to come out of it that wasn't negative.
24 hour check in for essentially drm or NO SINGLEPLAYER GAMES. -____- Microsoft to US forces overseas... "Sorry soldiers defending us... but"
They made it anti-consumer but pro-publisher and pro-developer Lets not forget that sony has said they will also give publishers the choice on used games just like microsoft.
@Ausbo, not just like Microsoft. Sony already confirmed the system requires NO Internet connection. If a dev wants to implement this on PS4, they'd have to require the game be online only and there'd have to support the drm on their own. Microsoft built it into the system. Big difference.
@Ausbo Except Sony's approach is from the other direction. Microsoft has mandatory DRM but publishers are allowed to let you transfer/sell your license. Sony doesn't require any DRM but will allow publishers to add it if they want to.
the saddest part would be if publishers/devs are coming out with this rules. instead of making good games so that more people buy, they're doing nothing but making average games and keeping track of how many times the discs have been exchanged. i'm sure in their server, they're seeing all the data which shows how many times the same disc was used and were probably thinking how much more money they would have earned. if you make great games, people will talk about it. people will buy it because every gamer wants to keep a copy of a great game. people go out of their purchasing limits to buy collections.. they can surely buy a game to keep in it their library. look at Demon's Souls for example. no one bothered about it but as soon as the game came out, the word spread and quickly became one of the best games to come out that year.. even winning GOTY from some gaming sites. if you make excellent games, you don't have to worry about sales etc. so dear Devs just make great games and stop being so greedy.
From my stand point, since I haven't yet commented on any of the recent news regarding the Xbone, I think MS messed up bad. After reading the content of what they posted the item that stood out to me the most was that the features discussed or posted yesterday was not going to be available at the launch date; a later date yes but not the launch. I don't think anyone really noticed that. To me that says 2 things one positive and another negative. The negative is the fact that they decided to include these DRM features thinking it was OK. It just makes me laugh each time I actually think about it. Seriously, just take it! Like we gamers would just except it and and move on. Again its sad that they thought it was OK. It's like we are renting the console not owning it. The positive is that at least they were listing, not much but they did take in what gamers were complaining about and addressed some of the concerns. Another sad issue is that some die hard MS fans and some gamers are defending these tactics. Why, because some think it doesn't matter and eventually all electronics will be similar. these same individuals forgot about a lot of people in this equation. What about people in other countries and not just the US/NA or people that live in internet hell, where they can't receive any signal, or what about the individuals with shotty internet services or even low broadband values under 1.0, etc. I am a moderate hardcore gamer and I seriously can't defend these methods. What MS is doing is breaking gaming 101 code of ethics. Its just not right. For me, even after E3, I don't think I will be getting this console, the Xbone. Whats sad is that now all of the pressure is on Sony to provide the gamers what they need and want.
Sorry for turning this into such a long comment but please do read as much as you can and give me your feedback. Thanks :D Something that isn't getting communicated enough is the fact that the Xbox one isn't doing anything new.. I mean sure putting it all in one you can consider somewhat new... but whats the point? That just adds another box to your collection.. I'm mainly talking to people who are considering buying this as an all in 1 entertainment device not primarily for gaming but anyone considering getting it for gaming this applies to you too. For a second let's forget about all of the bad things we've been hearing so far ie the 24 hour check in drm ect.. and let's just look at what the xbox one actually does. So it puts everything into one and adds voice control, sounds like a neat idea.. but is it worth it to go out and buy it? It simply takes everything you already have and puts it together. That doesn't sound very compelling to me. It combines Web browsing, Watching Tv, Movies, music and gaming all into one and allows multi tasking, but how many of those are you going to want to do simultaneously? It's trying to bring all of them together but how many of them do you really want to do together? Music and gaming, Music and web browsing, and maybe even Gaming and web browsing, but all of those are something you can already do with ease just by owning a computer, laptop, ipod, mp3, tablet, or smart phone. Besides the fact that they don't need to be combined those features aren't something i typically want to do in the living room anyways, why take up the living room TV to surf the internet when you can simply do it on so many different devices, same goes for music, i can't imagine just sitting in my room listening to music from the TV when it's so conveniently offered on so many handheld devices. Now all that leaves that is significant that the Xbox One does is TV, Movies, and Games, but can't you already watch TV and movies just by owning a DVD player and having cable? (Also obviously a TV) Sure it adds voice command but that isn't necessary. Besides is it worth it to buy a whole new box just for voice command? Not only that but some smart TV's have it built in so there's even less of a reason to get it. So after ruling out all these 'features' so far what other reason are we left with for getting the Xbox One? Gaming. This is where things get weird to say the least, they haven't showed many games but they said to wait until E3 and I will, but lets talk about what it's doing new for gaming.. the cloud and.... well that's about it. Although let's be honest, after it was announced that Sony bought Gaikai we knew Microsoft would jump on ship with cloud gaming as well. Now they also haven't said nearly anything about what it's going to do for gaming either.. so as of right now there is no real incentive to buy the Xbox One. I also want everybody to remember this is without even mentioning the main 'bad' components of the Xbox One, like the 24 hour check in and if it isn't connected to the Internet basically makes your Xbox an expensive Blue-ray player, or the DRM, or having to pay for xbox live to access 90% of it's features, or the fact that the TV aspects of it will be increasingly difficult to implement in countries other than the US (One of it's main selling points)
Comment part 2 Wow this was sooo long... :/ Just to wrap this up, I just can't see any real reason (At this point) to get the Xbox One, Maybe for gaming but gaming is the feature that takes the biggest hit from all of the bad components of the system, not to mention Microsoft barely even acknowledged gaming at the reveal, but even when E3 comes around.. I don't think any amount of games is going to help a flawed system, especially when they haven't exactly been making it gamer friendly. This whole thing was without even comparing it to the PS4, when you actually put the two side by side it looks even worse.. I just can't imagine anyone actually defending it.
Ok so now can the extreme Xbox fanboys admit how MS is at forefront of ruining our experiences Sny all you have to do is not do any of these things and I will buy and if you do than wiiu it is I guess living in Nola where every hurricane warning brings with it no Internet for days so I guess sitting home looking at my system will be enough, it's not like I bought it to play games and single player games hat require no Internet or servers
"Ok so now can the extreme Xbox fanboys admit how MS is at forefront of ruining our experiences " So you want the fanboys to stop being fanboys? That's not how it works
Yep. It was uncertain between Adam Orth #dealwithit and May 21st, but after the reveal, the Xbone's Wild Ride has never stopped.
When did gaming become such an anti-consumer industry? We're headed for a dark age unless Sony can pull us out.
And if Sony follows the same tread?
I might just leave console gaming.
think im the only one o doesnt care and like new stuff
So the NSA have been spying on us via Facebook and google with their PRISM tech and now they want a camera in your house. Here's the news on Ars Technica (soon to be shut down for interfering with government security probably!) http://t.co/H3UKdwzJru Unbelievable.
Id say its been having a bad day ever since the original xbox and ps4 specs were leaked and touted as bad rumours. Its a bloody shame
Yeaaaa, they should reword the title to 'The Xbox One just had 'another' very bad day'
Microsoft's cards are open now.. Let's see what Sony has to say for PS4's used game policy & DRM. (Better be careful now SONY)
Nice balanced comment... I don't think Sony will allow MSFT to enforce Pirating control that would allow developers to favor Xbox over PlayStation. Expect something very close if not the same. I think the difference here is which company had the bigger balls to come out with it and was more secure with market strength to take the major hit! because of change. I bet deals were made with developers over this for both companies http://www.ign.com/articles... Heard a collective scream when most of the rumors were false. -Kinect spying and can't be turned off LOL -Xbox won't play used games LOL -Fees to gamers for used games LOL -Family can't use One Xbox LOL -XBOX only uses blu ray for games and not movies LOL -Can't lend games lol -Can't sell used games LOL -Can't buy used games lol -Console won't work without being online LOL On and On
You're just full of it ... aren't you ? xD
"- Can't lend games lol - Console won't work without being online LOL" you can't do either of those things because lending won't work if your buddy isn't on your friends list. if you don't have an internet connection at all, you can't play any games, so it does, in fact, not work without being online. LOL "- Fees to gamers for used games LOL" publishers might still charge fees. the same could be said with the PS4, but since you can use the PS4 completely offline without requiring any internet connection, there's little to no chance that PS4 games will have any of that nonsense. LOL "- XBOX only uses blu ray for games and not movies LOL " it doesn't use blu-ray for games, it just uses it to install the games. LOL "- Can't sell used games LOL - Can't buy used games lol " you can't if you don't sell or buy the game from an authorized retailer. LOL "-Kinect spying and can't be turned off LOL" it's not off it you've set it to off in the settings, and you can still turn the system on by saying, "xbox on." "-Xbox won't play used games LOL" it won't once you've given it to a friend on your friends list and he's/she's activated the game. the disc is essentially a coaster after that. LOL on and on
Greenpowerz... why are you so willing to blindly pay a company/corporation to take your rights as a consumer away? If MS is successful with the xbone and it's drm, they will only try to push the limits further and try to take even more rights and powers from "US" as consumers.WE as consumers are the ones who empower companies like MS when we support them. I will not support any company who tries to take away my rights as a consumer , and that would include sony if they try this aswell. Greenpowerz , quit being such a fanboy and realise what is really going on here!
Give it up Man. M$ has made a deal that takes the control out of the consumers hand. Ever statement that you made has a stipulation behind it. It should not be like that. That 24hr check in is so M$ can make sure your playing a game that you purchase. If its not your game then you will be paying a fee. We all knew that the Xbox would have to use bluray for games and movies. The idiot company, media, and fanboys like you claimed they wouldn't need it. Xbox one is all out assault on the gaming community.
Dude, it's getting old... http://www.cinemablend.com/...
It says you can turn kinect off in settings, why cant i unplug it all together, i dont trust that its off properly unless its unplugged and in the box. I DO NOT want a corporate camera in my living room. Theres no room for maneuver, MS cannot be trusted (all big corporations cannot be trusted)
Yep. The ball is now in Sony's court. If they follow suit -- and really there is no indication that they won't -- this will take a lot of the luster off the next generation of consoles.
XBox - The game console that won't let you play games offline after 24hrs. That makes total sense right? But you can still watch TV, Blu-rays or DVDs!...What?! This just boggles the mind.
The fact that they actually said that second part is just lol.. I feel like they're laughing at all of us.
Haha, I knew this would end up on N4g. What happened to "Kotaku is worthless?". I guess that only applies when there isn't a negative slant on the new Xbox. Hahahahahaha! Damn Sony fans.
Aaaaaaw damnit ms, why did you have to go and do this.
@Gamer This is a report on a link FROM MS. It's not a rumor, or some kind of theory. It's M$ making you their b!^@#.
What about every other site out there? It's funny how you apologists(can't call you fanboys, cuz even fanboys see how stupid this shit is) pick and choose when to strike. Kotaku hasn't stopped sucking as a gaming site. They still put out a lot of crap articles. But as the saying goes, "Even a broken clock is right twice a day." Besides, you act like it's an isolated thing. There are definitely far more sites than not that have the same outlook as Kotaku. It's got nothing to do with Sony fans or the draw of a "negative slant on the new Xbox." It has everything to do with Microsoft royally screwing up. But you go ahead. Be a sheep. Yes, sheep. Cuz that's the only excuse for people like you still wanting to support this. Makes it easier to tell who shouldn't be allowed to have kids, though. Bad genes are no good for the species.
Haha, always fun to make Hicken use his one bubble, lol
Damage control in full swing...
Sony may not require a connection...but they won't be too far away with what Microsoft is doing with everything else. With Sony leaving it up to developers ( who are the main ones wanting these kind of restrictions) don't be surprised if majority of next gen games require us to "check in" and be verified at some point, or on intervals. This is how the next gen will be...and if you don't have internet then your gaming will be severely gimped.
Leaving it up to developers whether they want to put restrictions on their games is a lot different than designing your system to allow publishers to control the used game market. If you are a developer and you put an unpopular restriction in your game, okay—but that's a pretty bold move to make when there are going to be other developers—the competition—that don't have those restrictions. Developers/Publishers don't really have the stones to make moves like what's happening with Xbone on their own. In fact, they don't have the ability to do it on their own. Only a platform manufacturer like M$ could have pulled a coup on retailers like this. That is the difference between leaving it to developers and a console manufacturer actively pushing the agenda of publishers.
So the developers/publishers don't have the bones to do it yet they've been some of the most vocal about it. They pushed for this to happen so why wouldn't they take advantage of it? Be naive all you want...but this is the direction the whole industry is headed and the developers had a say in this sort of thing being pushed. If a publishing giant like EA is taking advantage..others will follow. Some just aren't as vocal as others. Developers WILL TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THIS...in order to make more money off of their games and limit second hand sales which they make nothing off of.
theWB27 I don't know how to explain this to you any simpler. Publishers/developers are in competition with other publishers/developers. Due to this competitive relationship, they don't have the unity to implement something like what you are seeing with Xbone. If one company does it, what's to stop consumers from flocking to another company with a similar game that doesn't have it? It would become a key selling point for the competition. Use your head for a second. If publishers/developers didn't need a console manufacturer to do what M$ is doing to control used games, M$ wouldn't be doing it. They'd just say "leave it up to the developers" like Sony. You brought up EA. Look at what EA does. They don't compete. They try to control. They fear competition. It's the same with the DRM. "A publishing giant like EA" fears that if they make a move without console manufacturer backing some other company is going to cut into their market by putting out a competing product without DRM. That's what Xbone does. It forces every single publisher and developer of Xbone games onto the same page, whether they want to do DRM or not.
If devs puts this restriction on games it'll just make consumers not want to buy their games....like when DCUO did it people couldnt sell it nor lend it so the consumers pretty much stopped buying it and they were losing money.....
I threw up after reading that the rumors were true...gaming is and should be about putting a game in the console and playing it anytime, that's it nothing more!
Bubble up, 100% agree with you ; well said.
now wait for sony with the same news, if you're thinking that PS4 won't have this new bussines model well my friend you're dreaming
No Internet required. It isn't possible for them to have the same thing. I know it must hurt your feelings, don't worry though, I'm sure Microsoft wont charge too much to wipe away those tears.
At Eurogramer interviews, Mark Cerny said that PS4 games will be playable completely offline; because there are a lot of locations ( booming markets like India and Brazil) that dont have a good internet connection. Yoshida expressed also, that DRM's policy is in the publisher's hands and the consumer will decide buy or not games with restrictions, for example Sim City for PC. In my personal opinion I dont wanna to buy games with DRM.
They also mentioned - "Games that are designed to take advantage of the cloud may require a connection." So some games may need a constant internet connection if they want to push PS4 like graphics. Zing!
Probably online only games like, DCUO/DUST 514/ FF REborn/ there a lot of online only games so that makes sense. Plus Graphic wise, the console by itself does beautiful graphics unless you're blind and didn't see the games coming out for it.
All the talk lately has been how the cloud will make the Xbone X amount more powerful, so if true these 'more powerful' games will need an internet connection to run. Be it Single/Multiplayer.
as far as i know PS4 is going to be the stronger system graphic wise with and without internet.
This is a sick thing to do and a sad day for gamers. I was hoping Microsoft would renege on these policies and at least make the XB1 consumer friendly out of the gate. Apparently if you're not rich, American and enjoy football with a very high-speed connection, Microsoft doesn't want your business. If Microsoft says "screw you" to all who doesn't fit within their aristocrat demographic I say "screw you" Xbox One. PS4U > 1
Let me get this right I can't play my console/games after those 24-hours unless I sign-in again but I'm still able too watch TV,movies? Seriously did I just read that statement right or am I trippin?Who the fuck is in charge of the Xbox division now a freaking TV executives? This is an sad day in gaming I'm truly sad ;( Edit:Also how will this effect game developers?Could Xbox One DRm policy cause developers too choose sides of what console too develop for?
kotex write more stories. Microsoft is still bleeding all over the internet. Help them please. Leave X-box one alone. lol
Poor Microsoft.... Poor Billionaire Monopoly Microsoft...
Despite all these blatant questionable moves by Microsoft, it would be really interesting to see how the gaming community reacted and/or stood up for their rights if Sony was doing the same thing.
Instead of passing judgement and hoping for Sony to stumble, you should be thinking about your future in gaming. That goes to all of you who share this opinion.
Nothing wrong with blocking second hand in my opinion. I dont even buy second hand games. I can also survive being off line and not playing for a bit if something were ever to happen. Most peoples lives dont revolve around playing video games 365 days a year and 24/7. DAY ONE.BUY FOR ME!
Alot of everybody is saying that sony is going to implement the DRM system, but with all this negative feedback its gaining everywhere I know for damn sure if Sony had this in the PS4 they are definitely taking that crap out!
Sony pays more attention to the customers, while Microsoft wants all the money in the world. Damn makes me miss the good ol super Nintendo days
I just hope Sony does the right thing by choosing to support the consumer instead of the publishers and ill do my part by not buying any games that require internet connection or DRM.
This confirms my console of choice for the 8th generation then. I was actually looking forward to what Xbox and Microsoft were going to bring this gen - but that's all ruined. Definitely going for a PS4/WiiU Combo this gen. I must be stupid to actually support a corporation who is willing to do this to the hobby I love.
Microso$t that should be the spelling. I'm sure a lot of this is also coming from the big publishers... EA, Activision, etc. I have not heard a peep from them!
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