Some fans are not pleased that David Hayter is now officially not voicing the character Big Boss in Metal Gear Solid V.
although I can understand why Hayter was dropped, it should have been someone familiar like Richard Doyle. Kojima has just used Kiefer Sunderlands name to get Metal Gear into the Hollywood spotlight and completely ignored the fans.
As long as the game is good that's all that matters to me at the end of the day. Koji has made nothing short of masterpieces so I respect his decision.
of course I imagine the direction and everything else will be as marvellous as usual but it will always be in the back of my mind what the game could have been like with Hayters voice
You can't just forget about the things he's just done because how respected he is, he's f***** big time here, he's screwed fans and hayter over. I mean if ND, Rockstar, Valve did something wrong then I would like to think people would be vocal aswell about it.
I can't not look at Kiefer's connected ear lobes.
I don't respect Kojima's decision, not that it was his decision initially but he could have stood up for David Hayter, I mean really. He doesn't care about the US voice actors, if Konami wants to be more mainstream (as if MGS wasn't a multi million seller already) then Hideo will listen to whatever business case they come up with to get the game to sell even more copies. Hideo doesn't really know when he's screwing up when he is. He thought everyone would like a hald man, half woman blonde haired guy with big hips in MGS2. He thought everyone would like a ridiculously ludicrous, convoluted story with so many twists no one could make sense of any of it by the end. Kojima is like a lot of film directors that have a vision, and sometimes that vision is the greatest thing ever, and other times it's the dumbest thing you've ever seen making no sense. That's just how it is with creative types, you can't convince them their vision isn't what's best.
To everybody saying whats wrong or right, you realize wrong and right are relative terms right? you may feel wronged over something like this, but I'm assuming Hideo Kojima had no intention in that, but instead it most likely feels right to him. @Mr_Nuts "I mean if ND, Rackstar, Valve did something wrong" well...you can't just say that, because they are not your kids, you can't tell them whats right or wrong and they don't have to follow your rules, I mean hey sometimes people do things a little differently and maybe your not gonna like it, but that in no way means they did anything wrong. I hope you guys get what I'm trying to say here..
Kiefer Sutherland: "I'm not even a gamer!" Why even care then? MGS is always for gamers and not for outsider movies fans only.
I can appreciate the passion and respect people have for Hayter. He is and always wlil be the Original voice. I cant imagine not purchasing MGS5 over something so silly. Are you a fan of Kojima and his GAME or of Hayter and his VOICE? Obviously Kojima felt the best choice or direction for this game was the way he chose to go. I'm looking forward to it regardless of what musical chairs are played with voice actors. Day 1.
You people will whine about any/everything.. let the game come out before you grab your pitchforks.
omg now people are complaining about who is doing the voice acting in a game - unreal. sun is shining outside, go see.
"let the game come out before you grab your pitchforks." We don't need to wait and hear the guy's voice in the game to justify giving our negative opinion about Hayter's unnecessary departure. And stop referring to "you people" as if there's some sort of hivemind thing going. "sun is shining outside, go see." Wow. You edgy, "get a life nerd" supremacists never cease to amaze me with your relentless barrage of bullshit. Careful not to cut yourself over all that edge.
David Hayter fans and lovers are upset probably but MGS fans are not as long as it's MGS and Kojima-san is there...there is NOTHING to worry about! Edit: OrangePowerz, DayZ, KingElixir plus the disagrees i got are example of how sad Hayter fans are..and they call themselves MGS fan LOL more like wannabes... but really, calm down, i think your man is prolly going to voice Solid Snake, but until they confirm this...continue crying xD
I'm a die hard MG fan since the MSX and I'm not happy about that choice. So don't tell people how they feel about it.
Then they aren't true MGS fans
Sorry wrong comment. I'm so upset about the va decision. I love 24 tv series, but that's tv and I view Kiefer Sutherland as a totally different character than Snake. Like someone said above, now I'll be left wondering how much better the game could've been with Hayter as the va. I'm buying the game used. I have major doubts about the game now.
Yeah totally agree he did it to worm his way into Hollywood. Why didn't he just become a film director instead, you could start to see by MGS4 that being more involved with film was a focus from him. ND like to bring us film like stories in their games but they don't over do it.
A LOT of game developers actually started off with aspirations for film making, even Kojima.
I cant wait I think it is a good decision. Also David did not voice BB in MGS 4... not sure why people care so much.
He voiced Big Boss in MGS3, Portable Ops and Peace Walker.
@TheBrit When the voice is iconic and distinguishes MGS from your other generic games, the voice acting is incredibly important. For somone who has grown up with Hayters voice in every metal gear game since MGS1 in PS1, it's quite a big deal. And no its not sunny outside, it's actually quite dark seeing as its night time.
I don't get why they picked someone with pretty much no VA experience, being a VA is not the same as the actor, you have to get into the without ever actually being the roll. But I guess if you consider 1 part in Family guy being a skill VA these days.
in his defense, he has done VO work for CoD and was great in that. and nowadays with all this mocap we are seeing with Last of Us, Infamous, and MGS, it's only natural they go for the Hollywood talent.
Kiefer has enough voice acting experience (e.g. CoD: World at War). In comparison with the number of the movies and TV shows he's done, of course, voice acting isn't actually his field. However, Mr. Kojima actually referred to the need of a deeper experience, which is a combination of voice acting and... acting in general. From what I can tell, the dialogues are going to be more Hollywood-like and that means the bar is raised higher. I don't think Hayter would have underperformed in doing a mo-cap, but since MGS IS taking a new approach in terms of the whole experience--considering the new tech, dialogues and even the gameplay itself--taking such a decision over the voice actor of Big Boss is the perfect opportunity Kojima could have. The creator of the MGS series (and generally any creator of any series) has every right to make such changes if he thinks so. I mean, he could have some vision or something that his gut told him that he should do it differently. It's part of the evolution of a series. And between you and me, he doesn't keep making MGS games just to please us, the fans. So, taking risks and taking your creativity to the next level sometimes means that these changes should occur. In any way, he isn't obligated to make things as we want to. If he'd make a game that was so predictable from our perspective, then he wouldn't be such an amazing game developer (and in this case, changing the voice actor in combination with the new tech, this affects directly our experience towards the game--hopefully for the best).
Check out his IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm... He's done quite a bit of voice acting in his career.
How asinine can you be to disagree with facts in evidence?
The way I see all of this is that MGS4 should been the last MGS game of the series and Kojima should have made a new ip showcasing his Fox Engine. MGS4 ended the story of Big Boss & Solid Snake I dont need to play MGS: GZ or MGS5 to find out how it all ends. Bring a new ip to the table or if Kojima wants to keep making MGS games start a new story with a new protagonist, or if you do a prequel how about remaking Metal Gear & Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake into one full game showcasing when Big Boss & Solid Snake meet for the first time with the new Fox Engine. As a MGS fan this is what I would have preferred.
I love how so many people think they can read people's minds. It's like how a music artist who tried a different genre of music is abandoning their fans. Guys Koji is an artist he does this because he loves it not because of the fans. He has decided to evolve his masterpiece and grow and keep challenging himself and what he can create. This is they way he has decided to do it. Have some faith and judge the final product in stead of judging what you don't understand.
I think we can all agree that the most important part of everything METAL GEAR, is in fact Hideo Kojima, David Hayter while very important is not the central part of METAL GEAR, I think that there may be a part in the game where solid snake and big boss talk, it would be hella stupid if they sounded the same. All I know is I am buying the game, its my most awaited Ps4 title.
It can still work out pretty good. The voice that David Hayter used for Solid Snake/Big Boss isnt the same as he would normally use when talking. Kiefer can probably do the same. On the other hand, ive listened to David Hayter since MGS 1998. He is kind of a part of Metal Gear Solid
I hope the game ends with the events of MG2 with Snake Killing Big Boss,snake being voiced by Hayter.
Wouldn't using Hayter make things weird?
No. Hayter didn't voice him in MGS4 either. Do you guys even know what the hell is going on in MGS or are you just assuming you know.
is this seriously an issue? really? we gamers are going to be mad about a voiceover change? wow just wow
I believe it's a little more than just a voice change. Fan's of anything react bad to anything changing that they love. Say if Breaking Bad last 6 episodes replace Walter for some other actor, people would be dumbfounded and express their dislike, much like now, it's been 15 years with David Hayter.
007 movies do it every 4 movies or so, fans still watch. and actually some prefer the later bonds. some gamers are just too serious about it. the character is still the same it's no big deal, the world isn't ending and you never know it may be better with someone else.
007 is very tangentially linked though. MGS has become a twisted timeline of direct sequels and prequels. If Keifer was voicing Snake in a whole new timeline, I'd be fine with it. Personally I think MGS needs a new timeline regardless... we know how it ends with MGS4, these prequels are a bit useless now.
@yugovega You have to with Bond though, like Doctor Who because they've been going on for years, 50 years nearly for both of them and the main actors want to do new things or end up getting too old. David Hayter didn't want to go anywhere.
@yugovega ^same here
David Hayter is Snake, I don't know why they felt necessary to change the voice. But I'll trust Kojima. Snake won't be the same but at least they chose a good alternative I guess I always remember this funny interview between IGN and David Hayter. They asked David if he had ever used the Snake voice in real life on someone. Brilliant Skip to 7:40 http://youtu.be/0Zjbr7LFxbc
Snake? Snake?!? SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!! !
That was hilarious..."GET A ROOM".....lmaooo
did he do voice for max payne
I thought I would be upset about it. I'm actually really cool with this.
Same, even though i much prefer Hayter, i still think this will be an awesome game regardless.
He's just trying to reinvent the game to keep it fresh, I don't think it's too bad of a choice
But where coming onto the last game, I mean this is a prequel which is pushing it but after this game with the story arc closed after MGS4 where else is there left to go. You would need to reboot it or do an alternative timeline or something so really I don't see why they didn't use Hayter one last time
Can Kiefer Sutherland even do a Snake-like voice?
I think the problem was they were wanting Hayter to do a Sutherland type voice... and he can't. Snake is Kojima's character and if Kojima wants snake to sound more rugged (which hayter can't do naturall--very forced) then it's his call.
I'm not sure he'll have to, Big Boss will be knocking on 50 when he gets out of his coma. I still think Metal Gear Solid 6 will be a remake/re-imagining of MG1 and 2, so I think Hayter will be back.
I think Hayter's "Old Snake" voice was as bad as Bale's Batman voice. I'm fine with the change.
Completely agree. I love David Hayter, think he's an awesome guy. I'll always have good memories of MGS games but I'm totally fine with a voice actor who sounds like the character looks.
I thought Hayter's voice was great as Old Snake. He really sounded like a tired old mercenary Solid Snake had become. It was great. But when I played Peace Walker, that didn't sound nearly as good because Big Boss is a different kind of character. He felt emotionless and tired. Every MGS fan knows that Big Boss is a charismatic character and he didn't sound like it at all in Peace Walker. After seeing the MGS5 trailer where Big Boss basically saw his army die, I had doubts how Hayter could voice all that emotion.
Exactly, both of them just OVER do it, but since I think Batman is the coolest superhero I got used to Bale's Batman voice.
Can't wait to hear Snake say "Drop the weapon" in Jack Bauers voice lol
i dont have a problem with this
I just think using Keifer Sutherland is the wrong choice but I would only have been happy with Richard Doyle. Sutherland's voice just doesn't fit. He's not a voice actor and he uses the same voice in everything he's in.
I think they were wanting a natural voice for Snake, not some forced ruggedness like you get with Hayter's old man voice.
im still gonna buy it day one
As we should be. To have Kojima come out and state some bs of a reason.... Some of us have been with this game since the very start. The whole point was to grow with the story and we knew who was behind the characters. We've known there's been a issue since the MGS movie was announced. Which Kojima also stated David would not be a part of that. Maybe Kojima should have stuck to his word and ended it at MGS4. Now it's just become another game mixed in with the world of many. Well, Watch_Dogs here I come....
I'm very upset about all this.... I guess I'll just wait until I actually hear him voice snake. What happen to everyone that said Kojima was trolling us? lol
Kiefer Sutherland is an awesome actor for this game.
*** and Sutherland is obviously that over Hayter, who hasn’t acted on the big screen for many years.*** lol He's still an actor though, who knows the character better then Hayter. I mean no offence but Sutherland hasn't done much since 24 finished, more then Hayter still but for a Hollywood actor not as much @OrangePowerz Below Bingo Thats what I don't get it's NOT a reboot, he's probably going to have to reboot it after this since the story arc is now finished. Hell a prequel for MGSV was pushing it, the last game in the MGS main timeline and Hayter won't be involved
I know some people don't have a problem with it, but it's like changing the Voice Actor for Nathan Drake, Commander Sheppard, Glados, Captain Price or any other iconic character. The Voice Actors make and bring the characters to life and give it personality, they are the character. What would happen if they change the Voice Actor for Woody in Toy Story or other characters in movies and TV shows? MGS 5 isn't a reboot, it's a continuation and Big Boss still looks like Snake.
Gamers whining about something? Get out of here lol
So Snake isn't voicing Snake. I don't understand.
gonna miss that hayter raspy voice
Watch video: Kohima: We wanted someone who could convey not only the voice but the facial expressions. Keith: I'm not a gamer..... I've never done facial capture before.... Well, sounds like we've got a winner here folks.
Really because he doesn't know how to make different faces and act??? <sarcasm> Come on buddy no wonder you only have 2 bubbles. Koji wants to create a more realistic product and to do this he decided he needed to capture real emotion not just voice emotion. Before he used words to describe how he was feeling now he wants to visuals to fill in some of the words. This can't be done by just a voice actor you need someone that can show it with his face as well. He spells it out to you in the video if you watch it all... not rocket science.