GamesBeat's Dean Takahashi interviews experts and rounds up technical opinions on the performance of the upcoming consoles vs the PC.You know who wins, but the final victory may be elusive.
Not my old laptop!
My thought exactly! lol Sure, you can customize and build high end PCs. That's not something i can afford nor want to do. I like the convenience of a console sitting in the livingroom taking care of all my gaming needs. That's it. I don't want a $2,499 razor blade pro, all the power to you if you can afford that but not me.
PC's are cheapter than consoles. Especially in the long run. If you don't want to miss out of Exclusives of a console or if you want a smaller device sitting in your living room.. These are the only two valid reasons anyone can have. The rest is BS which only ignorant fanboys believe. "Want to play on comfort of cough and living room" You can on PC too "Want a gamepad" Pick anyone you want on PC "It's complicated" No it isn't. "Want good online" PC has the best online "Want an entertainment hub" PC "No games" Yes it does "Cost" Cheap games. The initial investment is quickly diminished when you take into account PC games are always cheaper by a large margin Some people don't even get that 800 is enough for a top line gaming PC. It's just not overkill which you can do if you want. Edit---Oh excuse me for forgetting the only other reason Kwietstorm. Point is, their is no downside to gaming PC's over consoles. There are different exclusives. That is it.
@Irishguy Or maybe the fact that all of someone's friends play on console. Does that also fall under fanboy BS?
Irishguy95@ Not all understand how or have the time to build PC rigs. That's one of my arguments. Another, is that i'll have to spend more than $500 on a PC rig. That i don't want to do. Also, as you pointed out... there are too many games i would be missing out on if i abandoned the PS4 in favor of PC. Ofcourse, the most powerful gaming rig is the PC... BUT... not all can afford the customized 1000hp cars, so i'll settle with a Nissan Gt-R.
If you can put legos together you can build a PC. It is so dumbed down a trained monkey can do it.
@JasonHenry I know that you need the right combination of parts to make it effective, for example, if you have alot of RAM on processor A you won't get as much out of your PC RIG would you have gotten processor B. Someone will probably tell me, "you could have done it cheaper and more effectively this way". That is too much headache for me, i would just like to buy a box that says "hey, you can play high quality games here and you don't have to worry about anything else". If you find that box in the PC world, it will cost you alot. But there is a PS4 just around the corner, so why the f----k should i get a gaming rig? Starting to get pissed off on you PC elitists. Can't you just respect the fact that not all gamers want a f----ng PC gaming rig?
@Irishguy95 The initial cost for good gaming PC is why PC will never overtake consoles. That $800 gaming PC will only be marginally more powerful than a PS4 (Intel i5 / i7 CPU, 7870 GHz GPU, 16GB DDR3 RAM, 1TB HDD). I'm sure te PS4 will be no more than $499, so in the eyes of consumers the extra $300 isn't worth it when you have a console that can do pretty much everything a PC can do, besides Microsoft Office. For most gamers a console is "Good Enough". Console offer great gameplay, good graphics, and all at a mass market price. Yes PC games are almost always cheaper starting at $50 vs $60, sale for less on distributive servies like Steam and Origin ($40 - $50), drop in price significantly faster than console games ($30 first month), and have multiple clearance sales (knocking game prices down to $10 >). BUt that initial cost is just a deal breaker for most people. The article is right PC gaming is already a good margin ahead of consoles right now power-wise, but to buy / build a PC that completely blows the PS4 out of the water means you're going to be spending at least $1,000 (build it yourself high-end) and closer to $2,000 (build it yourself top-end) if you want a a beastly gaming PC. And for those who can't build PC's you're looking at an extra $1,000 each. PC gaming has a lot going for it especially if you can afford a high-end rig. But $ for $ you're better off getting a console (nearly 2x as powerful as any current $500 PC), unless you need a specific software.
Your kind of missing the point that all these console games that are multiplatform and selling for $50 still.. are selling for $5 on steam. Hell I bought batman arkham city , arkham asylum, the new hitman... loads of games for $5 Hell I bought every assassins creed game just because I got them for $5 each. Whats crazy is i have never played them! It was just so cheap that buying games is not a big thing. Wehre as on a console your always spending money out the butt.
@ABizzel1 & aCasualGamer Here is a pc that outclasses the PS4 for $505. Diamond 7870 -$204 http://www.newegg.com/Produ... AMD Phenom II 965 - $95 http://www.newegg.com/Produ... ASrock Motherboard - $55 http://www.newegg.com/Produ... 8Gb Crucial Ballistix RAM - $51 http://www.newegg.com/Produ... 1TB Hard Drive - $70 http://www.newegg.com/Produ... Case and Power Supply - $30 http://www.newegg.com/Produ... @kwietstorm and my friends play on pc, what's your point?
My PC is worth roughly 600-700$ right now, It runs GRID 2 on high at 5760x1080 across 3 screens at 60fps. Come again about how "expensive" gaming rigs are. @ABizzel1 Let me know when the Ps4 is capable of doing its own video editing, And I mean complete editing, not recording. Let me know when i can use photoshop, a touch draw pad, watch a movie while playing a game and having a webpage available to me on the fly. Let me know when a console lets me use a keyboard/Ps3/360/Wii/Snes/N64 controller on it. Let me know when the consoles keep backwards cap for the entire life of its models. Because so far, Everything thing you consider a advantage for console is nothing but one giant disadvantage when it comes to PC. which will always do it better.
State your specs, your PC does not sound like $600-700 Also @blackmagic Is that GDDR 5 ram? You did not include an OS No mouse and keyboard included Add a touch pad while you are at it Is there a blu ray drive at 6x speed? That PC comparison of yours skipped a lot to come down to that price, it will cost a lot more for the PC to match the ps3 in performance especially when you include the fact that the PC has far more happening in the background.
@blackmagic Isn't the DDR3 worse than GDDR5? A noob question since i can't tell the difference myself. But that's amazing that you can get a PC rig for $500. I already have a laptop, so i don't want a PC rig.
@Sashamaz FX-8350 - 180$ 6870 - 190$ 8GB DDR3 - 50$ 1TB drive (1)-50$ 970A-DS3 Mobo - 70$ Corsari R400 case - 50$ 650w PSU - 40$ Comes out to 630$ after tax. ----------------------------- ------------------- And Sashamaz. The OS can be reinstalled from a previously owned system, Seeing as I have 3 old computers 2 of them have 7 on them, I just use the code and call up MS if there is any problems. @ both aCasualGamer & Sashamaz GDDR5 is for graphics cards, and DDR3 is for system memory. GDDR5 is capable of higher speeds but has a higher error rate, this is why its not used for CPU processing, but is fine for graphics processing. Mouse and keyboard combos can be purchased for 15$ A touch draw bad starts at 50$, that allows you to hook it up and draw with a stylus on programs, touch screen monitors aren't even that expensive anymore either. And a 12X speed blu ray drive for PC costs 40$ http://www.newegg.com/Produ... So again, no advantages to the console.
Does you PC have an OS, keyboard, mouse, controller? While the specs look pretty similar, I'm pretty sure there is a reason why developers seem to be far more excited but the GDDR 5 ram on the ps4 than they are with the off the shelf 8G as found in the xbox one and most pretty much all that is available to consumers. Edit: So this touch pad or monitor can you use it effectively for gaming along with what ever you use for playing your games, I have a wacom intuos and while it great for art etc it is not a gaming tool.
@Sashamaz There are games that use them yes. You could also setup nearly any game to function off a touchepad or touch screen with other overlay programs. Similar to how its done on android and apple tablet devices.
@Sashamaz It has 10GB of memory available to it, 2GB GDDR5 and 8GB of DDR3. You're right, I sometimes miss things because I am on upgrade cycles. Windows is $100 and an optical drive is $18. There is virtually no benefit to having a blu-ray drive in a PC which reduces to zero benefit if you already own a blu-ray player. Actually, most blu-ray drives read DVDs slower so for pc gaming it would be a detriment. http://www.newegg.com/Produ... http://www.newegg.com/Produ... BUT, what console guys don't get is that pc gamers upgrade their computers, they don't buy new rigs. My pc is about 2 1/2 years old and if I upgraded at the time that the ps4 launches, I wouldn't need to buy a hard drive (I have 3TB + 1 TB + 500GB HDs), RAM (I have 16GB pc2133), motherboard (I have an AM3+ MB), OS (I have Windows 7), case, power supply, optical drive, keyboard, mouse. Now, let's talk about how much I save by buying games for PC instead of console!
Always trying to prove something. PCs have been around forever and people that have preferred consoles the whole time won't change their mind just because you keep repeating that PCs can be more powerful. We just do not care about building one. PCs don't have unlimited power. And we should stop pretending that high-end set ups are the standard, when they are the minority. Everyone's set up is different. While the higher common denominator is PC, the lowest common denominator is ALSO PC. PC games aren't developed exclusively for high-end hardware and specs only.
im no hardware expert and there are many other aspects to the hardware but when comparing gflops the ps4 destroys my pc. Its more than double and we picked the better gpu option when buying it, and its not very old at all. Some people forget most people dont build their own pcs or buy alienware pcs. For those people yes it is the most powerful device they have but not for most people.
ShinMaster, its not just PC, In the tablet market and phone market come next year the processors in those will be more powerful than what was in the 360 and ps3. processors like the new Tegra 4 and the snapdragon 800s, which costs very little can capable of playing high resolution games on TV outputs with wireless controllers and multiplayer. And now that the consoles are using x86 you will see a massive gap between what the consoles ps4/X1 will be doing and what PC is capable of. As now they have no reason to not max out PC. Watch this in 1080. http://youtu.be/Fdsg7igDeq0 this is on current hardware. And just released. you really think that the ps4/X1 will be capable of such a thing you must be insane.
@ShinMaster That's not true at all. I've always preferred consoles since the early 90's, that is, until about 5 months ago when I built a gaming PC. I'm having a hard time even turning on any console in my house. Of course, consoles are great for exclusives, but you'll get much more games out of your PC. Did you know Alan Wake is on Steam for $1.50 right now, and Alan Wake American Nightmare for $1.50? You'll NEVER see console prices that low. I've been able to purchase 3x the amount of games now that I have a PC due to constant sales and cheaper prices for PC games. Best of all, I never have to worry about backwards compatibility, those are my games forever.
If you've got a shit ton of money to spend on a ton of PC gaming rigermarole, then have at it! Meanwhile I'll spend a small fraction of the same price on a PS4 and get a ton of exclusives you can't get anywhere else. Sorry PC gamers! You can't play Last of Us this month, nor can you play Gran Turismo 6 or 7 whenever it comes out on PS4, nor can you play the next Uncharted game, I could go on and on.
@Kurylo And you could buy Batman AC for $10 on the PSN sale, and $22 for the Ultimate edition with all the DLC's. So it's not like prices don't drop. I would prefer they drop and stay low like on Steam, but that's developers and publishers knowing that most console gamers have no clue about PC. Most multiplats I get on PC for that sole reason (cheaper, and generally better graphics and run better). @Black Magic The CPU, GPU, Motherboard, and HDD are fine. 1. The RAM should be 1866 MHz as it's proven the best price:performance returns for games $15+ (2133MHz offers the best performance $20+, other speeds are negligible). But I won't count this. 2. Optical drive? $20. Or are you making a steambox. 3. That Case and Power supply is AWFUL, and I'm shocked you even mentioned it after looking at it's reviews. The Power Supple is 450W max one look at the reviews state it's consistent run wattage is only around 300W. It's crammed, rattles, rumbles, and there are several complaints about the fan, only 2 SATA connections, wiring, and fitting everything into the case. So I don't see the point of your searching for a cheap $30 Case / PU to try to lower the price if it's going to be a hassle and even worse overheat your system, which you also left out cooling fan which is needed a case this cramped. 4. Case & Power Supply that doesn't suck or run the risk of damaging your PC. $80 ($50 PS, $30 case). 5. OS: $90 (Windows 7) So that puts the PC up to $665, which more than likely the PS4 is going to be less than ($399 - $499 PS4), and yet that PC is just barley above the PS4 in Raw performance. Pound for pound the PC has the better CPU & GPU, but not RAM. On top of that the difference in power will be unnoticed because games will be optimized for the PS4 while that PC will have to play ports that can be scaled within the range of performance it can produce, but neven optimized. I was going to use the 7870GHz for my new gaming PC, but when the PS4 was announced there was no need. The console is close enough and should be cheaper, which is why I'm waiting for the UHD cards. On top of that your average consumer doesn't know how to build a PC which is why it'll cost them $700+ to get that same PC. Go into a store and PC's with AMD Trinity APU's are selling in the $500 range, and the PS4 stomps that.
@NioRide "Let me know when the Ps4 is capable of doing its own video editing, And I mean complete editing, not recording. Let me know when i can use photoshop, a touch draw pad, watch a movie while playing a game and having a webpage available to me on the fly." I said, get a PC especially if you need a specific software. But now you're adding to the price of that PC. Video Capture: $100 (Hauppauge), unless you meant like true editing software such as Avid which will set you back another $300 - $500 depending on the program. And you'll be able to watch a movie while playing a game (although it's scientifically proven you're really not giving your full attention to both) and surf the web with the PS4 and Xbox One. Now touch draw pad? PS Move or that pad Ubisoft released for the consoles. "Let me know when a console lets me use a keyboard/Ps3/360/Wii/Snes/N64 controller on it. Let me know when the consoles keep backwards cap for the entire life of its models. " You can PS3 has keyboard and mouse support, blame developers for not using it more, and starting now your games will be in the cloud. "Because so far, Everything thing you consider a advantage for console is nothing but one giant disadvantage when it comes to PC. which will always do it better." And congratulations you just turned it from a $665 gaming PC. Into a $765 gaming PC running Windows 7 w. game recording. $890 if you don't know how to build it yourself. And $1,000+ if you're adding Photoshop, Avid, and other editing software to it. And the PS4 is capable of all of that and besides professional editing (although they do offer picture editing on the PS3, and PS4 supports Video editing). You've moved on from a focus on gaming towards a workstation in an effort to bring down console gaming. That's not an unbiased soul IMO.
@ABizzel1 There is free software for all of that. So really moot. And its not being biased in saying that a device that costs a tad bit more is more capable graphically and as a device that is used in daily life. Not my fault people like you are so blind.
@Irishguy95 I wonder if that $800 PC will be capable of running the games the will be released on June 2017. I'm pretty sure PS4 and Xbox One will still be alive and well by then. Thats why Consoles > PC.
having accepted some criticism above, I have changed and added to the build. $628 total. Diamond 7870 -$204 http://www.newegg.com/Produ... AMD Phenom II 965 - $85 http://www.amazon.com/AMD-P... ASrock Motherboard - $55 http://www.newegg.com/Produ... 8Gb G.Skill DDR3 1866 - $68 http://www.newegg.com/Produ... Samsung 1TB 7200rpm Hard Drive - $50 http://www.tigerdirect.com/... Samsung 24X DVD Burner - $16 http://www.tigerdirect.com/... Cooler Master Case and 500W Power Supply - $60 http://www.newegg.com/Produ... Windows 8 64 bit - $90 http://www.amazon.com/Windo... With basic 10% anybody can do it overclock that gives the GPU 2.82TFLOPS performance and 185.6 GB/s of bandwidth. http://www.guru3d.com/artic...
@kurly: if i can buy God of war series, yakuza series, GT series, uncharted series, LBP series (you know where i am getting at) etc... under 5 dollars for PC then i'll move to PC... oh wait.
well that title isnt obnoxious at all. I hope when I get my gaming rig I dont turn into one of these elitist.
As a PC gamer, never argue with PC fanboys lol. They all think they're leet cause they can build a PC that they don't understand how it works. Don't let them talk you into building your own PC, because they read a shitty guide on the internet to guide them through it. PC gaming is amazing, and sure you can get plenty of games for cheap on Steam, but if you enjoy your console, that's all that matters. I enjoy my PC and my PS3, and will be enjoying the PS4. Some guy said gddr5 has a "higher error rate"? hahahaha. Always brings tears to my eyes when I see kids who have no idea how the PC they just built works lol.
@ABizzel1 Man, you probably don't use half the products you're trying to boast PCs can use instead of consoles lol. Game consoles are not PCs, they are computers. Once you learn the difference, you'll understand why your argument makes no sense. It's like trying to argue a PC vs a TV because they both can be used to view video. Dat logic.
@NioRide* my bad.
"Forget the Xbox One and PS 4 — the most powerful gaming device is your PC" Can't play Uncharted, God of War, Killzone and The Last of Us on my PC, so I won't be forgetting about the PS4. @Blackmagic Cooler Master makes the ugliest computer cases in the business. Even the HAF looks like shit.