VideoGamer.com talks to Pete Dodd, the man leading the campaign against next-gen DRM policies.
This is just stupid.Sony have repeatedly said they wont block used games and there is no DRM. Bonus round comes on and Geoff keighly vaguely suggests from what he "hears" they have something to block games.Just throwing out nonsense hoping to toss Sony onto Microsofts sinking ship. I was in the GAF thread where the dummy OP misquoted Geoff, all hell broke loose (based on wrong info) and some random guy claims he is a sony "insider" and they "may or may not do a DRM" And mass hysteria ensues.People are just so overly dramatic sometimes that it's actually sad.
I think people are just worried about it. I know I am. Sony have said they won't block used games but they never said they won't charge you for them. I think the DRM thing is just too say this is also something we really don't want. The Xbox reveal has had people put on edge since Sony could follow suit. I never expected it too be so user UNfriendly. I and many others don't want the same thing to happen with the PS4.
"but they never said they won't charge you for them." Because that was never a consideration until Microsoft said they WERE charging and then everyone lumped Sony in with Microsoft for absolutely no reason.
DragonKnight couldn't have said it better.. Sony is making jokes about DRM on twitter yet people still think they're going to incorporate it with the ps4? That would be literally making fun of yourself.. you people are stupid. Now it may be an OPTION for the developer to decide and that's not even %100, but i'm seriously not the slightest bit worried. The only people claiming PS4 will have DRM are hardcore M$ fanboys grasping for straws. #Pathetic
It's starting to bother me that Sony is so apprehensive to how they address these DRM/used questions, even if they have made very big suggestions that they won't do anything of the sort (but possibly allow publishers to chose to have DRM, which is pretty troubling). That's why #PS4NoDRM is so important. Sony may be weighing their options and we need to make them see what a mistake certain options would be. Say what you want about internet "crybabies"; these people that use social media to push change in the gaming community are making serious strides. They DO listen to what the internet is saying.
trying to remain neutral instead of just taking a side creates the perception that they are just as guilty as those who do seek to impose such restrictions/requirements. Keep in mind, its their system, their service and their decision to let it happen. It wont matter if they (sony) themselves NEVER do these things directly. The fact they let it happen is what many will focus on. There are far more 3rd party studios out there than sony has 1st and 2nd combined. If sony were to come out and say outright that no such things will happen under their watch, and 3rd parties are wanting to do it, then the 3rd parties will go to the platform that lets them do their own thing. That is why sony is being coy on the whole subject. They are more concerned about developer support and being their friend that they will turn a blind eye on anything that would be frowned upon by the gamers so long as the developers and publishers are satisfied.
I'm sorry to break this to you kid but Sony is definitely implementing a policy restricting the use of used games (very similar to the one adopted by MS). You don't have to believe me...we may find out in less than 2 weeks (or they may keep dodging the question until closer to the console's release). I'm not happy about it either but that is just way the industry is headed.
Based on your theories? Give me a break.
So wait you have this information but you don't have this information? Way to make sense there.
@stiggs: Yeah, I'm sure you know a guy that knows a guy who works with somebody that's best friends with the janitor whose cousin is a secretary at Sony right? Please.
"Based on your theories" It's not my theory. It's first hand information. Not everyone here is an obtuse, misinformed teenager.
Really? I will bookmark this and check back after June 10th. (I also see that you gave yourself and out by saying that we will find out (for sure) when we open the box.. again we will see)
I'll ask one of the programers for the Ps4 i meet in E3 012 then and get back to this post asap.
Calling others kids and teenagers doesn't make you anymore mature, just so you know. And yes, theories.Considering less than two months ago you didn't even know what DRM was. Direct quote from you - I'm not sure what the Always On/Block Used Game component really means (if it exists). But I do know that it would be commercial suicide for one company to implement a plan like this while the other does not. Do you know who else knows this? Microsoft and Sony.- http://n4g.com/news/1226161... Your reasoning behind this is that Sony must be doing it since MS is doing.You have no "first hand information" Just poorly thought out guesses.Stop lying.
You're a complete and utter........idi.....ot
Everybody ignore him for now.. @stiggs because after E3 we can all come back to this article and have a good laugh :) but when we come back he will probably say something like.. "oh they just didn't because the no DRM rebellion worked" or.. "Sony took it out last minute because they saw the backlash Microsoft was getting for incorporating it" or if hes partially right, like Sony leaves it up to the devs to decide whether it gets implemented into their game he will just claim he was right.. hes leaving himself some wiggle room by being so vague, just ignore him :)
yes, it's sad that this nonsense is happening because the doritos pope claimed he heard voices... @ stiggs: first-hand information? do you work for sony? no? then it's not first-hand information.
You are obviously misinterpreting my statement. When I said "I'm not sure what the Always On/Block Used Game component really means" I meant that I didn't know the specifics of how it would be implemented. I'm not sure how you interpreted that to mean that I misunderstood the provisions of DRM. My reasoning for stating my position on Sony's used game policy has nothing to do with a bias toward one particular company. I happen to own a PS3 and a 360 so my allegiance is not tied to either corporation. As a matter of fact, I've owned almost every console dating back to the Atari days...and prior! I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here. I'm just reporting what I have heard from well placed sources. OK, kid?
where are your well placed sources ....old man?
Voices in your head don't count as "well placed sources."
Ah, so you're one of those people who try to defend their own ignorance by claiming it was just a misunderstanding. No, it was no misunderstanding; You clearly had no idea what Digital Rights Management was. I'd rather listen to theories of someone who actually knew what they were talking about. By the way, at this point, you should just be reported for spam as you simply refuse to show us any actual proof of these "well placed sources".
"You clearly had no idea what Digital Rights Management was" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!! Oh wait, you're serious? I'm sorry I just assumed that you were kidding because your statement is obviously absurd. Yeah, I don't know how these new fangled computer boxes work. Someone please explain to me the "internets". It's a bunch of tubes, right? DRM...that stands for Dynamic Robot Maids.
"I'm just reporting what I have heard from well placed sources." Nothing. Ok got it.
Frankly I don't know what's more odd. stiggs 7 year old account with under 200 comments, his well placed sources, that he seems to get riled up when someone has concerns or complaints about the direction MS is taken with the X1, or the fact that anyone that disagrees with him is automatically a kid in his eyes. Me thinks those sources might have a funky odor attached to them. If you know what I mean. Wash your hands stiggs ;) Really going out on a limb there since he has a 50/50 chance of being right. If he is wrong he will simply disappear into the background. He absolutely nailed the "Always On/Block Used Game component = suicide for either MS or Sony. Kind of strange that he hasn't spoke out against MS doing it as much as he is trumpeting Sony will as well. Sorry stiggs. You have to with in reason understand why some here might find what you're saying a little off kilter. It has nothing to do with their age and everything to do with the message you're trying to convey. You and MS have that in common. It's not the messenger. It's the message. But what would I know? I'm just another naïve child.
@stiggs You know what my theory is, because you have to install the whole game to play on x1 and the disc will be useless and if they give permission for the used games, only one disc will be sold for maybe I don't know how many people, one will install and hand it over to other one and this will go on, but for ps4 the system is the same, you will play, if you buy so that's why Sony don't need that kind of crap except maybe for digitally downloaded copies.
@Freedomland, not defending Microsoft here, but when you install the game, the disc cannot be used again on any other system until it's been deactivated on the original console it was installed on. @Stiggs, and again you fail to prove anything other than your lack of majority.
you are right, There will be No DRM on PS4 Sony was never working on it for the Ps4, but there will be Online Pass like we Have now. nothing to worry about.
which means I can buy multiplayer titles and rent 10hr 1p titles. Like I do now. No worries is right.
*facepalm* (sorry) I've said this before, it doesn't block used games. neither does the Xbox! there's just DRM around it that no body likes. Yoshi(da) said 'ps4 can use pre owned games' right. we just don't know how. So in that case Don Matrix can say 'Xbone can play used games' and not say anything about the fee, or anything like that.
yes. We also know that 1 console mandates a daily data connection and one does not. We know one console is leaving DRM up to the game makers. Why do you refuse to accept this?
im not, i love playstation more than Xbox, lol :D but im just saying where people are wrong, xbox one can play used games
I think that its funny that the majority of the comments come from people that claim that I'm either delusional or lying. What could I possibly gain from posting misinformation about the PS4 on a Sony centric article? I guess that I would have to be a masochist because the only thing that I've received are insults, vague threats, and hostility. I don't take it personally but it is rather annoying to be put down by people who don't even try to refute my claims. I can't even fathom why most of you are upset. It's almost as if you're threatened by opposing viewpoints. I hope that my sources are incorrect. As I've said before, if I'm wrong then I'll be the first to admit it. I'll gladly trade some humility if it means that Sony is not restricting the use of used games or forcing DRM on its customer base.
It would be easier to refute your claims if you could actually back them up. It doesn't matter if you had anything to gain for spreading false information; you must be new to the internet because people on the internet like to see proof/sources.
dude I am so glad you are out of bubbles, because I don't want to hear another word you're saying. IT DOESN'T F***ING MATTER YOU RETARD! Quit taking things personally. @ Bruttallyhonest the guy has a valid point if you scroll up. It doesn't matter what sources you have because as one has said "50/50 chance of being right," and another has said "leaving room to wiggle off topic." Just go back to your desk and quit taking cracks, you made a f***ing statement on the internet now deal with it. Jesus, it's not like we're all pissed at you for not making brownies for my birthday party. It's just factual information that has an effect on the people around you, and this topic is touchy considering that NO ONE NOT EVEN MS GAMERS WANT DRM. It doesn't matter the fact that one company will do it, and the other one not. In fact, if one does it it's almost a guarantee that the other will follow, because that's whats trending, like we will most likely see voice commands on PS4 at some point. The fact of the matter is you need to suck it up and put on your big boy pants, quit pouting, wipe your tears and get prepared to get on your knees and take one in the face, because a lot of people that posted above my reply are going to be right when they come back and rip you a new one. Peace kid.
"This is just stupid.Sony have repeatedly said they wont block used games and there is no DRM" Only he's not really targeting Sony. He's smartly targeting Microsoft indirectly. When they see the numbers and the buzz surrounding it, combined with how they know Sony has repeatedly said they will not block used games, Microsoft will need to either change their plans and become VERY CLEAR about them, or risk losing an unknown market share to Sony.
I really hope Shuhei Yoshida's trolling on Twitter means that PS4 won't have a DRM.
I loved how he announced that ps vita game, made me laugh so much. #psvitaDRM
@Day Z Yea,it's funny how people are trying to throw Sony into this whole DRM crap.Just cuz their precious console is doing it doesn't mean Sony will follow.M$ charges to play online yet Sony doesn't. Can't wait till all this rumor crap gets put down for good.Come on E3!
Xbox live came right from my mind >.< . I was planning to say it lol . Bubble for you :) However, I don't mind this. It will show all the companies and developers that we want to play not applying to job to have agreements on how we play the games we payed for them. We own the games we play. We own the consoles we pay for. If i want to play offline then that's my choice not theirs. That's how gaming worked before this generation. No paass code/ Day one DLCS / Pre order bonus / Pay for online / Always online / limited features/ always watching you ..etc Just put the disc and play. finished it ?. sell it or put it in your collection or give it to your friends as a gift.etc
Meanwhile, Xbox fans just sitting around looking like drones supporting MS's actions. That truly sorts out the true gamers from the sheepies.
Regarding the used games debacle, won't Sony be under the same pressure Microsoft are under from third party devs to implement a fee for playing used games?
nope cause Sony is awesome and MS is poop, understand now? even if Sony does implement some form of DRM, perhaps by not doing it themselves but allowing game publishers to do it in some form, Sony will still be blameless. Its actually quite genius. I love how the top post now is a pic of the sony prez dressed as a Catholic priest. He is their shepard, and they are his....
lol this is turning into a cult
LOL, everyone up in arms for no reason! Just wait and youbwill all look stupid forvfreaking out over nothing!
I'd rather look stupid for "freaking out over nothing" than to allow these kinds of things to come to pass. I won't get into the reasons why the DRM issue isn't nothing.
I guess you make a good point rainslacker! Carry on then!
Guys separate your facts about DRM, Online DRM and Used games please. DRM - Something that prevents making illegal copies of the game Online DRM - Something that pings an online server ever so often to check whether you are playing a legit copy of the game If DRM cannot be cracked is perfect there is no need for Online DRM. Problem is that both Online DRM and standard DRM can be cracked so having Online DRM only hurts people who bought the game legitimately. It is a stupid and redundant cops and robbers game. Used Games - It is completely up to the publishers. If they want they can implement anti used game policy right now on this gen consoles by including a one time unlock code for the whole game. Why are we asking Sony or MS about this when this stuff is clearly not in their hands? Also who here believes that there will be two consoles in the Market in 2013 one will play used games and one will not and both of them will carry the same game. Since they are dealing with the same publishers they will follow the same policy.
I really really cannot wait for this E3 it has been the most fun, hair pulling, cat fight i have ever experienced from both sides of the fence for the weeks running up to the event
Pete Dodd is a hero for us the playstation fans
It's not one man, but everyone who gets involved.
Sony & MS not after stopping used games, they after stopping other companies making cash from them at ther expense. Any monies made should go back to the industry, like publishers/developers. Don't get why gamers don't get it.
Is that why they only give about $10 per sale on a new game? So they can stop other companies making cash from their hard work? It all makes sense now.
This whole campaign is nothing more than a marketing ploy. It's a set up for their announcements at E3. They want to make themselves look like the consumer hero. First they spread a lot of disinformation about the Xbix One, DRM, used games, etc. then they respond in a way that makes them look better by comparison. Oops, did I spoil the surprise? I guess so. Try not to make your marketing ploys so transparent next time.
I believe that this is due to publishers having a go at the console manufacturers about implementing a DRM scheme for used games. I base this on 2 reasons; EA discontinuing their online passes and the lack of 3rd party support for the Wii.
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