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Submitted by Lionheart377 707d ago | news

BioShock Writer on Industry: 'I Don’t Want to Put up with This Sh*t Anymore'

GR said, "Susan O'Connor, a writer who’s worked on BioShock, Tomb Raider, and Far Cry 2 in the past, is tired of the way that games are presented." (BioShock, Industry)

KillrateOmega  +   707d ago
Well, um...good for her, I guess.
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TheBossMan  +   707d ago
She's taking her talents to South Beach, clearly.
Maddens Raiders  +   706d ago
"Susan O'Connor, a writer who’s worked on BioShock, Tomb Raider, and Far Cry 2 in the past..."

"But the more savvy I got--and I've been working on these great projects that are arguably the best ever made--it's like, 'This is the mountaintop, and this still isn't cutting it."

No not the best ever made, no not the mountaintop and if it isn't cutting it, it's your fault. Hate to see you go, but we hardly knew ye..
TheBossMan  +   706d ago
Those quotes make her out to be a surefire diversity hire.
SilentNegotiator  +   706d ago
*spoilers*
Bioshock's twist never fooled me. It wasn't about escape or else there would have been some real stealth elements to it, and having a guy order me to murder a shopping list of characters was a dead give away that there was going to be a twist revealing him as a bad guy.

This lady just seems full of herself.
'I'm just so good at writing, I deserve to write a different medium! I'm such a good writer that I've reached the mountain tops!'
Blech.
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KillrateOmega  +   707d ago
[Sorry. Double post.]
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Prcko  +   707d ago
oh,here we go...
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Blastoise  +   707d ago
"I love stories, and I just happened to fall into games. I've learned who I am as a writer, and I think my talents and skills are much better used in other places."

""It's been an ongoing dissatisfaction that’s always been there," O'Connor said. "But the more savvy I got--and I've been working on these great projects that are arguably the best ever made--it's like, 'This is the mountaintop, and this still isn't cutting it.'”"

Comes across rather big headed. It's not like the games she's worked on are the best in the industry for story telling.

Why not try a genre better suited for story telling like Visual Novel or an adventure game like Heavy Rain/The Walking dead?
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smashman98  +   707d ago
Really biishock didn't have some of the best writing in gaming? Well ill be damned
Blastoise  +   707d ago
Bioshock was awesome, one of the best games I've played this gen

But the "mountain top"? The absolute pinnacle of Video game story telling? Nah.
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vickers500  +   706d ago
@Blastoise

Just curious, what do you consider the top 5 pinnacle of storytelling games?

Because I can't think of any that I enjoyed more than Bioshock. The only ones that even come moderately close in my opinion are Red Dead Redemption, MGS4, parts of fallout 3, and parts of mass effect, but I consider Bioshock to be better than all those.
ZombieNinjaPanda  +   706d ago
@Vickers

Video Games existed before this generation you know.
k2d  +   706d ago
@Vickers
@ZombieNinjaPanda

Yupp. Pretty much what ZNPanda said.. Which period has there been put out the most games? During this generation or the rest of video games existence? Chances are you'll find the greatest told stories before the time of 360's and wii's and ps3's.
vickers500  +   706d ago
@ZombieNinjaPanda

Okay, that's not really what I asked though. How about instead of writing some smug douchebag comment that doesn't contribute a single thing to the conversation other than being an ass, you actually list some of those previous gen games then?

Not everyone is old enough to be a retro gamer, nor do they have the time or money to buy every single worthwhile game for every worthwhile system out there, and that doesn't make them any less of a gamer.

Gaming was always a hobby of mine before, but it wasn't until right before the current gen consoles (xbox 360, ps3, wii) that I started getting into gaming news, the community and the history of well known franchises.

Therefore I listed the titles that I was familiar with that 'I' think have the greatest stories. I can't very well list games that I haven't played now can I? I refrained from listing even some games from this current gen that I think probably have amazing stories but since I haven't played them, I didn't list them (Heavy Rain, Lost Odyssey).

But oh well, stupid me for thinking the comments section was about discussion. I guess it's just for insulting people that aren't exactly like us in every single way. I do apologize for not being born earlier, please forgive me.
HammadTheBeast  +   707d ago
I dunno, Bioshock was pretty good. But yes, she is being a bit self centered.
adorie  +   707d ago
She sounds frustrated. Not self centered. This interview was short and didn't detail her frustration enough for me to make a fleshed out opinion.

Edit: Ok. Another site reporting on another sites interview.. I am going to read it in full.
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Godchild1020  +   707d ago
She needs to meet up with David Cage. It seems like they have the same things in common for story telling and the industry.
ironfist92  +   707d ago
Thats what confuses me. Theyre annoyed that games arent more like films, but if thats the case, why not just work on films instead?

The closest you can get to to whats they desire is an interactive novel or interactive cinematic story telling, like Heavy Rain/Beyond.
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Bigpappy  +   707d ago
Sounds like she wants a bigger cut. Good luck lady. Tough world out there.
Capt-FuzzyPants  +   707d ago
I agree with everyone else when they say she seems big headed. But I'll give her credit, Bioshock and Tomb Raider have very well recieved stories that touch upon deeper themes than most other games don't. These games' stories have a lot of depth and literary value to them.

It's a shame shee feels the way she does because when a game has a good story it enhances the experience by a lot for me. But if she wants to try to write stories for TV, Books, or Movies then I wish her good luck because being a successful writer in those markets must be 1000 times more difficult than in gaming.

Basically if she isn't up to the challenge of being part of a revolutionary game that changes the way the industry tells stories than good riddance. Have fun struggling in a different market.
juaburg  +   707d ago
Sarah Connor cronicles... Lolsies.
wishingW3L  +   707d ago
I loved that series!
wishingW3L  +   707d ago
She should go and work with David Cage then. He make games for himself and not for the masses. Or at least that's what he says. ;)
DigitalAnalog  +   707d ago
I heard COD: Ghosts with fish AI and emotional dogs are in the top of your pre-order list.
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WeAreLegion  +   707d ago
It's a lot harder to write when you can't take all your material from Ayn Rand. Just letting you know...
porkChop  +   707d ago
"But the more savvy I got--and I've been working on these great projects that are arguably the best ever made--it's like, 'This is the mountaintop, and this still isn't cutting it.'”

Or, maybe, you're just nowhere near as good as you think you are. Ever think of that? I mean seriously, she wrote Far Cry 2, BioShock, and Tomb Raider, and she actually thinks they're the "mountaintop"? She thinks that's the pinnacle of what's possible in a video game story?

Give me a fucking break. Has she even played Far Cry 2? The story in that game was just as shit as the game itself.

BioShock was good, but it's easy to make a good story when you're basically retelling/copying a famous novel like Atlus Shrugged. Real hard work there.

And Tomb Raider? It was alright, but it wasn't anything new at all.

This woman relies almost purely on predictable, way-overused cliches, and cheesy dialogue. If you're incapable of writing a great story don't blame it on the medium, blame it on yourself because you're the limiting factor. Fucking coward.

This is her IMDB credits as a writer:

Far Cry 2 (Video Game) (game writer)
Crysis Warhead (Video Game) (storyline consultant)
Conan (Video Game)
BioShock (Video Game) (additional story work)
Gears of War (Video Game)
Dungeon Siege II (Video Game)
Act of War: Direct Action (Video Game) (screenplay)
Kya: Dark Lineage (Video Game)

Yeah, Susan, you're a fucking great writer. These games are clearly "the best ever made". /s
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nnotdead  +   707d ago
i get your point, but you are coming off way too angry in your post. it's cool bro.
porkChop  +   707d ago
Wasn't my intention, sorry.
SolidDuck  +   707d ago
Hey Susan, leave then, no one cares.
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abc1233  +   706d ago
"Although narrative in the gaming industry has improved by leaps and bounds since its inception, video games just don’t have the story chops of other forms of entertainment, such as movies and novels."

Really? Imo some games like Heavy Rain and The Walking Dead had narratives which were superior to many films I've seen and novels I've read. Think they're underestimating the medium.
fatstarr  +   706d ago
She definitely hasnt played some good top tier RPGS through out the decades. some of these games are better than many tv shows and movies.

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