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Privacy breach: Xbox One a 'twisted nightmare'

Tim Vines, director at Civil Liberties Australia, told GamesFIX that Microsoft has a lot to answer for with a product that has the ability to listen and watch everything a person does.

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Arai1099d ago

"This is not quite the Xbox One unveiling Microsoft had hoped for."

o'rly? you don't say...question is what are the governments going to do about this.

theBAWSE1099d ago

Always watching always listening..... Xboxone reminds me of the TV show 'cheaters'

FamilyGuy1099d ago

What's really funny is how people were bashing the PS4 for allowing your account to be tethered to your facebook, having real names attached to your PSN account. They screamed about privacy, even though it is stated as a completely optional feature as well as having controls over which people see your screen name and which see your real name.

Now Mircosoft comes out with a mandatory peripheral that is always listening, ALWAYS. A device that scans your living room, notices when any new face is in front of the system, listens to everything you say and watches everything you do while gaming so it can tailor ads to what it thinks you'd be interested in, is required to be plugged in for the system itself to work.

There's nothing optional about it and we're supposed simply trust mircosoft when they say it won't be used in any underhanded ways?

Why make it mandatory? They're obviously up to something.

pixelsword1099d ago

Watch the movie The Island.

They use Microsoft Surface and feature the Xbox...

...I wonder if they are telling us something.

Godmars2901099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

@FamilyGuy:

Trust me (You'll just have to); there's a big question mark - several in fact - regarding Sony, their camera and social plans.

Really, with the PS4 not really doing that much different from the PS3, its going to be a while before I pick one up. Less so if they try to do things which try to exploit consumers to at least half the degree MS seems to be aiming at.

MysticStrummer1099d ago

@FamilyGuy - "What's really funny is how people were bashing the PS4 for allowing your account to be tethered to your facebook, having real names attached to your PSN account. They screamed about privacy, even though it is stated as a completely optional feature as well as having controls over which people see your screen name and which see your real name.

Now Mircosoft comes out with a mandatory peripheral that is always listening, ALWAYS. A device that scans your living room, notices when any new face is in front of the system, listens to everything you say and watches everything you do while gaming so it can tailor ads to what it thinks you'd be interested in, is required to be plugged in for the system itself to work."

Wow yeah I had forgotten all about those complaints. What MS has going on now is so much worse, yet many of those same people have no problem with it.

@Godmars - "Trust me (You'll just have to); there's a big question mark - several in fact - regarding Sony, their camera and social plans."

You're going to have to explain how a console and camera that don't require an internet connection are remotely as potentially bad as a console and camera that do. No one has to trust you about anything. Tell us what you mean.

Godmars2901099d ago

@MysticStrummer:

More the social features than anything else. Just don't like where that could take the industry in general. How it could impact game design.

badz1491099d ago

now imagine always watching and listening like the Kinect 2.

Shadowstar1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

"Why make it mandatory? They're obviously up to something."

This is seriously paranoid.

They're making it mandatory to avoid having fragmented market share on the Kinect. They want developers to use it, and that won't happen if it's an add on peripheral instead of a vital part of the system.

We can argue that we don't want them to do that, but this isn't some conspiracy to rob you of your privacy by watching you as you sit on the couch discussing false flag operations.

3-4-51099d ago

Microsoft doesn't care about what we want...they care about making their money back because of all the money they wasted on R&D for this new glorified Windows 8 cable computer.

* While I'm gaming....I game...not watch TV.

* If I have to switch channel, I'm not that lazy that I can't take 2-3 seconds to use my remote.

* Always watching and listening to me? That is just creepy. Only a matter of time before somebody sues Microsoft for saving footage of random naked female walking by or something like that.

^ I give it less than a year before this happens and law suits start building up.

This will cause their stock to plummet even more and the price to drop.

XB1 officially screwed themselves out of charging more for this.

They are going to have to sell for less to actually sell the amount of units they expect.

Nafon1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

Is there anything stopping you from throwing a towel over the kinect? honest question. I'm not buying either next gen console. Neither have a "wow" factor to them.

and going off part of what 3-4-5 said,
Have you ever tried to use WMC on xbox 360 with the controller to watch live tv? it is a pain in the ass lol. Remotes have been around for decades and are pretty damn good at being TV remotes. The xbox controller, which is meant for playing games, is NOT meant to control a TV. I feel bad for anyone who thinks the xbox one will make watch tv better.

zebramocha1098d ago (Edited 1098d ago )

Interesting.

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harkki861099d ago

well the xbox one is very usa-focused anyway but with all these issues coming it out may completely tank in other areas like europe and japan.

and while some people may say 'who cares about that? usa is the biggest place for gamers' you have to remember that there are videogame studios in europe and in japan. they are far less likely to make games for a system that doesnt sell well in their home territory. some european devs like the people who are making witcher 3 have already commented that they do not like what xbox one is doing (and that means they may not put their game on it but no confirmation yet)

NateCole1099d ago

Discounting the rest of the world would be a huge...mistake on their part.

rainslacker1099d ago

Very few games nowadays are released only in the US, or just one territory for that matter. Japan is the only market which makes a large number of games which cater only to it's home market. The rest of the world is a much bigger market than the US. Even a US dev may have a problem if they think they can't sell their game overseas, as it all comes down to install base. Otherwise I agree.

Sideras1099d ago

Just wanted to add that CDPR (the creators of The Witcher games) had DRM on the PC version of The Witcher 2, it was meant as a one time activation thing but ended up fucking up the framerate for some reason so they just said fuck it let's patch that crap out.
Not to mention them giving out FREE digital backups for people who bought the boxed copy.
No wonder they are bothered.

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DragonKnight1099d ago

First Germany, now Australia. Microsoft has attracted government attention now. I'm positive that that's not what they wanted.

But considering that this is a very American device, Microsoft will probably get away with it because the U.S. government loves surveillance devices even if the citizenry don't.

rainslacker1099d ago

The US gov't does, but the people are very sensitive about privacy. The media loves reporting on violations of privacy. So if it catches enough wind, then the media could jump all over it. It's probably the only negative thing that has a chance to catch any attention in the mainstream media.

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fr0sty1099d ago

"question is what are the governments going to do about this."

They're probably all standing in line to get their hands on the surveillance data from Microsoft. having a camera watching and listening to you, all the while making a 3D model of the inside of your home, is a dream come true to many of them.

dcbronco1098d ago (Edited 1098d ago )

@Arai

I doubt any government is going to listen to a bunch of silly children worrying about a boogeymen under their beds.

Rain the American media will use it like a shark attack. Something sensational to get advertising money. They know Americans are gullible enough to get excited over it. Shark attacks are the medias go to when there is nothing to get the rating going. If you know someone in the media, ask them. It's a complete joke. Or compare your current news in a major city to Cronkite or Winchell. 180 degree difference. One group reports news, the other sells advertising.

Keep your government hands off of my Medicare.

indysurfn1098d ago

They gave in to the Government already on search engine info back in the Bush days. So I think the government is licking their lips for the information the Kinect may gather! Also I called this along time ago Conspiracy, theory. And Kinect! Also I called the TV goes off when the internet goes down (not immediately but eventually).

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NewEra71099d ago

First German commissioner now Australia. Wonder who's next,.

theBAWSE1099d ago

Wait till parents hear about xbones privacy issues.... They the ain't buying it

Dee_911099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

youd be surprised what million dollar marketing can do.
Make the most devious things seem necessary.However after this backlash I doubt that will help but some will still fall for it(I dont mean everybody buying the XBone is a sucker, if you know the risk and still buy,more power to you).

theBAWSE1099d ago

@dmarc parents are gullible but NOT when it comes to their children's safety!!!!

If you think any parent who knows about the surveillance of xbone will put their child I that situation your crazy

The always on always watching will be big news trust me.. We already have government condemning the xbone for what it is and it's long overdue ms are greedy fuckers and I'm glad people are wising up

Dee_911099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

@the bawse
have you seen the internet?
have you seen phones?
Have you seen how many kids get picked up off the social media? Parents gullible but NOT when it comes to their children's safety?
HA
Some parents are gullible, even when it comes to their children's safety.
Like I said some will fall for this crap.

BISHOP-BRASIL1099d ago

Gotta agree with you there Dmarc.

It's a sad reality. We live in a connected world, which is awesome in many ways, but where you also don't even have to step outside of home to get trouble. Yet many parents will simply give anything their little brats want just so they can be left alone.

It's not every parent, but in fact it's common. And the worst part is that it doesn't even need to be the real bad ones, some poeple simply have no idea how far this kind of stuff can go, so they simply don't oversee their kids with phones, tablets, notebook and what not.

That's why we read about kids getting bullied (or worse) over stuff that ends on the internet everyday.

Why o why1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

Good point dmarc. I do think parents are getting more clued up about the bad side of social media, the internet and what their kids are doing when alone. Thank the paedophiles, stalkers and groomers for that.

If parents make a slight link between a snooping camera that always listens and any of the aforementioned types....they'll be wary

Theangrybogan1099d ago

First thing my sister said when I told her about it, SO IT SPIES ON YOUR CHILDREN!!!!!?? So yeah I don't see it sitting well with parents.

Shaolen1099d ago

If these are the same parents that buy a CoD game for their 9 year old kids and don't check the rating on the box, they will unwittingly buy the system for their spoiled brats if pressed hard enough. Squeaky wheel gets the grease as it were.

loulou1099d ago

i love it. one person says "Wait till parents hear about xbones privacy issues.... They the ain't buying it"

and everyone agrees in the vain hope that it just might happen

loulou1099d ago

am i reading this right, so now our kids safety is at risk because of kinect?? lol

it's going to spy on my little boy now. you have gotta be kidding me.

if i thought for one second it was really spying, i would just unplug it when im knocking the back end of my gf on the sofa. but as i dont, i wont be bothering.

i like a good conspiracy, but this is getting ridiculous.

vigilante_man1099d ago

You make an excellent point I had not thought of before. With software hacking anyone could be looking for kids playing and pass that on in their "circle".

I am surprised this will be legal. The more I think about it the worse it gets.

I never really got this aspect when watching the reveal, the lack of games was more noticeable.

I don't trust software switches. It has to be a hardware one. Why on earth would you need to have cameras on all the time just to play a game?

We all must make our minds up but I think they need to add some fail-safe measures before the release. No one with a kid in the house can run any kind of risk. Especially its its always on!

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waltercross1099d ago

If the Next country that speaks out is the U.S then PS4 will win this generation by default.

MysticStrummer1099d ago

A country so owned and driven by corporate interests is unlikely to speak out against one as big as MS, especially considering it's an american company.

But, I saw an article today or yesterday that wondered if some of One's features violated laws, in the UK I think, so if enough countries make noise about it maybe the US will join in. It's not totally out of the question.

Fakdafakinfakerz1099d ago

The EU will sue MS again. MS = EU cashcow

Thepharaoh1099d ago

then it also meets the definition of "Sorry Hatted Inadequate Trash" or SHIT device

mochachino1099d ago

I understand MS's arrogance, after RROD, ridiculously priced proprietary peripherals, blatant Kinect functionality lies, losing all exclusives, casual focus, paying millions for timed exclusives that added nothing new to the industry and only restricted other gamers from having content that would have otherwise existed anyways, and pay to play online MP people still supported them.

How could they not think that they could do whatever they wanted and people would support them.

I'm happy the US finally woke the f up.

theBAWSE1099d ago

Theres still a couple fanboys on this site defending this no game lending surveillance scambox... Very easy to spot em.. Won't name names but I do feel sorry them... Clowns

aiBreeze1099d ago

Why feel sorry for them? Some are blatantly on the M$ payroll.

Hicken1098d ago

I will.

Jek_Porkins
negative
loulou
Count
greenpowerz
JokesOnYou
FrigidDARKNESS
NeverEnding1989
urwifeminder
wheatthins
dcbronco
jeffgoldwin
headblackman
SDFRepellant(can't seem to make up his mind)
Loki86
Foxgod
GamingWorldPeace
DonFreezer
iitsuii
MichaelLito79
nukeitall
Elite24Gamer
horndog
MikeMyers(refuses to believe even what MS execs have said, oddly)
DiRtY

... entirely too many.

Gohadouken1098d ago

Ironically enough you can never get most them to shut up , even when hitting them with pure facts .... yet those days you can barely make them appears and talk .

Some are definitively laying low for e3 ammos and feeling outgunned right now

slaton241099d ago

heck im from US and I cant stand the xbox.. its nothing but a money sucking P.o.Crap. ok heres an example...Netflix..8 dollars a month x 12 months = 96 dollars now add the 60 dollars to be xbox gold member total it 156 dollars a year just to watch Netflix.... and with the xbone I sure hope more americans wake up if the ps4 has a camera on it guess I will have it covered up since I don't need that to play my games.

C-Thunder1099d ago

The PS4 will have a camera, but I'd bet you have the full option to disable outside of games that require it.

S2Killinit1099d ago

wow have a bubble. You are right on.

NateCole1099d ago

Everyone is very sensitive about privacy lately so i am not surprised. I am actually surprise it's taken this long for it to get the attention of people.

I do wonder as well what the justice system thinks about plans for MS and Publishers to still have rights to product we bought legally with our own money.

If MS is forced to change their strategy with the always on Kinetic then we might actually see a delay since Kinetic always on is central to their One strategy.