Microsoft Games Studios vice president Phil Harrison has said the platform holder has “very, very good” privacy policies and won’t use Xbox One’s admittedly creepy always-listening feature for any nefarious purposes.
Let me turn it off then.
Exactly for those who get Xbox One shouldn't be forced to use Kinect and everything should function without it! Also if it wasn't "required" and shipped with every console they could've put the money towards better features and hardware specs.
I don't get it though because I thought the aim of selling something is to sell as many units as you can to make a profit. How can they do that when they push people away. I mean I wouldn't dare buy a Xbox One if it came with Kinect, they should do bundles where you can buy it without the device. Surley the console can work without it. I'm scared though for exclusive games in the future, what if they make you use Kinect like in Halo 5 or in Fable 4
if i was to get this i would rather a version that doesnt have any of this cablebox features in it and of course none of that invasion of privacy baloaney either
@Me_Nuts The thing I realized is that the entirety of the Xbox One is based around the Kinect. The TV, UI, probably games. You couldn't do those features like snapping and skype, or voice commands they why they think a consumer would use it. What bottles my mind is why base a console around a peripheral.
Sounds an awful lot like "I did not have sex with that women" "I have not used steroid. Not now, not ever" "I am innocent of all charges"
Hackers can hack it and snoop
M$ wants to have Kinect as a central part of the Xbox experience. You are wrong when you say it is about selling as many units as possible. No business does that. It is about profit. In this case, profit comes from selling software. M$ believes that Kinect will drive the attached rate up on more X1 than any other feature on the console. The reason they thing that, is because most games have families. Non gamers and casuals are very attracted to Kinect. So They think that if the X1 is in the living room, the casuals will more likely be drawn to it if Kinect is attached. They might even decide to download some software after trying the demo. I think having Kinect on every X1 is a no brainer. But you should be allowed to turn it off if needed. You guys know there is a camera on just about every smart phone, tablet and laptop out there don't you? Hope you are not taking those things every where with you and letting it watch you in the bed? Know what I mean?!
Please read this. http://www.wired.com/threat... http://www.networkworld.com...
Yeah well we've heard these same scare tactics before, they said the original Kinect was spying on us. "Kinect Is Spying on You" 936d ago 115 comments http://n4g.com/news/638161/... Now since all those screams turned out to be nothing more than sonyfanboy propaganda they are at it again. Didn't work then, won't work now, X1 is going to be a big hit, and they know it too. Maria the 1st link is about Microsoft complaining that the FBI is conducting surveillance on their customers by sending them letters requesting information, this actually happens all the time, how is that microsofts fault? "The NSLs, which have been issued nationwide hundreds of thousands of times, are written demands from the FBI that compel internet service providers, credit companies, financial institutions and businesses like Google and Microsoft to hand over confidential records about their customers, such as subscriber information, phone numbers and e-mail addresses, websites visited and more as long as the FBI says the information is “relevant” to an investigation." http://www.wired.com/threat... =Your second link is about this: "Microsoft does not charge the government even a penny for surveillance of its users. Google charges $25 per user and Yahoo charges $29 per user." http://www.networkworld.com... So because micro would rather go against the government/FBI to prevent them for surveillance of their customers vs charging them a fee like Google etc, this is a bad thing for micro? I don't get what you're trying to prove.
"We aren't using kinect to snoop" Sure, and santa claus killed JFK. What else?
"won’t use Xbox One’s admittedly creepy always-listening feature for any nefarious purposes" "nefarious purposes" "nefarious purposes" "nefarious purposes" What?! So you're still snooping by admitting you're still using it! Just saying you're not using it for bad stuff doesn't get you out of the "privacy doghouse". Classic political response by answering the question in a way that dodges responsibility! The proper response it that you will include an "opt-out" option to turn that s*** off. Seriously, a check box to "opt-out" during setup is all that is needed. It could even make the Kinect bonus control features OPTIONAL. OPTIONAL MICROSOFT! It's a key part of OPT-out...OPTION-out. http://en.wiktionary.org/wi... Adjective optional (not comparable) 1) Not compulsory; left to personal choice; elective. http://en.wiktionary.org/wi... Noun option (plural options) 1) One of the choices which can be made. 2) The freedom or right to choose. 3) (finance) A contract giving the holder the right to buy or sell an asset at a set strike price; can apply to financial market transactions, or to ordinary transactions for tangible assets such as a residence or automobile. 4) (graphical user interface) A button on a screen used to select an action (often "menu option") Geez...
@jokes on you...outta every gamer I know, including my xbox live friends, including randoms on gaming sites, anyone I know at work, I've seen you and Logic not minding and willing to buy the xbox one. There are governments that want this thing out. This is not going to be a huge hit. The Xbox1 announcement made the Wii U sales jump for gods sake. I have never seen a backlash in the gaming community like this before, and it's not dying down, it's getting worse. And as far as MS allowing or not allowing the government to spy, that's only half the problem. What about everything single hacker that hacks windows 8 and than spies on your family? What's to stop a pedophile from hacking a family's xboxone and watching children play and laugh? Basically I'd have to unplug my Xbox1 from the wall just to ensure my child is safe? That's ridiculous.
"Microsoft Games Studios vice president Phil Harrison" OK what the actual f*ck? Since when has Harrisson been an x-man? Jeez what a letdown...
Ofcourse they will say this who thought they would say any different. "Oh yea we made this device to spy on you" No thats not what its for, just like how google, facebook and cellphones wasnt made to spy on us but guess what. http://www.techrepublic.com... http://www.consumerreports.... http://lifehacker.com/59009... http://www.theatlanticwire....
@BigPappy: money also comes from selling customer information for advertising metrics. Their suite may not be as robust as Google's, but they do still sell advertising services and analytics. @MariaHelFutura: Supplement with this: http://www.gamepolitics.com... ...and this: http://www.networkworld.com... ...and this: http://www.schneier.com/blo... ...and this, for even more cloak & dagger: http://www.itworld.com/secu... (I know, I know... those wacky conspiracy theorist Sony fanboys over at IT World) @JokesOnYou: "Now since all those screams turned out to be nothing more than sonyfanboy propaganda they are at it again." How is Microsoft's own EULA "sony fanboy propaganda?" How do you know it was nothing? You have no idea what may or may not have been tracked or recorded, as you have no idea what may or may not be tracked or recorded in the future. What we do know is that installing a Kinect 2.0 in your home provides them with the *means* to track and record a plethora of information well above and beyond any current platform. "Maria the 1st link is about Microsoft complaining that the FBI is conducting surveillance on their customers by sending them letters requesting information" How are they "complaining?" "Admitting" is not the same as "complaining." It says the FBI was "secretly spying" through NSLs. But it wasn't "secret" to MS... they handed the information over; recipients can in fact challenge NSLs in court. How you read any of this as "go[ing] against the government/FBI to prevent them for (sic) surveillance of their customers" is difficult to comprehend. By the way... due to the fact that MS doesn't charge for their "service," that means that there are no invoices that can be FOIA'd or subpoenaed. It also appears that you didn't bother to read more than two paragraphs into the NetworkWorld article. Either that or you're conveniently ignoring/omitting this part: "earlier this year (2010), the FTC named the worst privacy abusers -- companies who failed to protect consumers' personal information. Among the list of scammers and spammers, the FTC also named Microsoft as one of the companies that failed to keep the promises they made to consumers regarding the security of their personal information. According to testimony [PDF] delivered to the Senate, "Failure to maintain reasonable security is an "unfair" practice that violates the FTC Act involved such practices as the alleged failure to: 1. comply with posted privacy policies 2. take even the most basic steps to protect against common technology threats. 3. dispose of data safely 4. take reasonable steps to guard against sharing customer data with unauthorized third parties."
I don't care about the specs.That's why I got a ps2 instead.So shut your effin mouth ps drones.
So simply and perfectly said!
"We're just browsing in Poland." said Hitler. EDIT - I'll leave the comment, but I started thinking some people would say I'm implying MS/One is equivalent to the Nazis. I've had a few beers and was trying to be funny. I'll just say that what we've heard so far about One (Neo) should really be making people think twice.
Its funny that you referenced The Matrix cos I was just thinking about it. I was thinking I'd prefer a larger metal spike shoved in the back of my head to what Microsoft is doing with Xbox. Its just seems alot less intrusive.
Turn off the Xbox One? I bet you the Kinect stays on for some reason. Activates, spies on you. Then flashes red while you sleep, you try to yell at it to turn off and it says: "I'm afraid I can't let you do that".
I'm gonna beat the crap out of an xbox one so hard that's gonna end up singing daisy bell.
wow, xbox one is just a MESS. microsoft is suffering one nightmare after another. as a sympathetic human i feel sorry for all the employees who are getting their product trashed, but then i ask, how the f*ck could you screw up THIS BADLY, you had 10 years to prepare!" and at that point i just smile and say, " BUUURRRRN M$!!!!" XD
Of course you are not using Kinect to spy, and you would tell me if you were wouldn't you?
@chuk5...You don't know how to disconnect the power supply?? That will shut it down for you.
I really hope countries block this and force MS to make it non-mandatory. Germany and Australia have the right idea, I hope others do too
The best thing Microsoft can do now is delay the release of the X1, take it to the drawing board and alter most of it's functions... then release later on a completely altered next Xbox (and change the stupid name).
Wait did i just read "u can opt into it" so thats telling me right there that they are always listening and watching!
exactly...prove it microsoft...by giving US the control
But they seem to be planning on using it as a marketing tool. Measure people reactions to things. Comes off as snooping to me.
What if they see youre fat and you get a lot of McDonalds ads. What if you drink alot and Jim Beam ads come up? What if you smoke crack and they just call the cops? OK, I'm being a bit silly there, but the point is, we just dont know HOW they will use it, and they're just asking us to trust them? I dont even trust the way they say we can trust them. This whole think stinks badly.
What happens when one is stolen and is used to identify the thieves in their home? The thing is that MS has already spelled out how they'd like to use Kinect, and that's as survey marketing tool which the vast number of marketing subject are both unaware and uncompensated that they are. That its MS who'd be getting paid by both advertisers and consumers. With their best assurance to any questions in regards to this that no living person would be able view the collected information. Said assurance offered when the thing has multi-person video conferencing.
If you are referring to a patent, their official response was the same as Sony's when they filed for a patent to do in game ads and block used games. Millions of people have Kinect right now, and I've not seen a single problem or exploitation. Also, nobody is forcing people to buy the Xbox One, if you fear for your privacy, don't buy it. It's actually quite a simple thing, don't like it, don't buy it. I've had my Kinect hooked up since day one, I've had a PS Eye hooked up as well, who really cares? I mean as I said earlier, if you are really thinking there are people monitoring you, don't buy it. I like the tech that comes on when you talk to it, I honestly never thought of it as snooping or anything else, it's not like it's fully on the entire time, the lights go off. If they ever did get caught "snooping" they'd be in all kinds of trouble from the FCC and Government.
I don't get how a patent for an "always on" camera that can potentially spy on people compares to a patent for in game ads. I really don't see how you can compare the two.
"Jek_Porkins" Stopped reading right there.
As if those two patents are in any way equivalent. Your bubbles are truly a mystery.
Wow! You're a very trusting soul. Putting your trust into any corporate entity is a pretty risky thing. http://www.h-online.com/sec... "If they ever did get caught "snooping" they'd be in all kinds of trouble from the FCC and Government." Oh, yeah the government will surely give them trouble if they get caught... Oh wait! http://www.theregister.co.u... LOL!!!
http://i.imgur.com/amn36.gi... It's a surveillance system, get over it. Microsoft is admitting that, just saying 'trust us' we won't do that.
Agreed. Its funny watch all these Sony fan boys making tinfoil hats and spread FUD. I feel sorry for you all. As if a company like Microsoft would use this camera and data to spy on people without being upfront about it. Why risk the massive fines/bad press that would result? They have many many businesses, not just xbox. they don't make there many from selling data/advertising. You are all hilarious.
@Jek: "it's not like it's fully on the entire time, the lights go off" Wow... just... wow. I wonder how I get all those calls on my phone. After all, its lights are off before it rings. @b-real: You mean like Google got in so much trouble for sucking up people's personal info with their StreetView spymobiles? I mean hell, I guess if I don't need to worry about MS because I can be assured that the government will be looking out for my interests, I'm sold!
@ShwankyShpanky: What is your understanding of what Google got in trouble for? What personal data were they recording?
B real http://www.pcworld.com/arti...
@b-real The thing all you retard fanturds dont get is its not N4G its the whole fu@king world , here in australia it made it onto the news about it breaking privacy laws lmfao you xbox c@ck suckers need to get a life and realise its not sony fans on N4G doing it, unless you think we sway the government of germany and australia?
@Jek & b-real Do you guys walk around with blinders on? Do you not see the ramped corruption in todays corporations & governments? So the 16 trillion dollar debt the USA has, is just product of the government helping it's people? And the big wall street companies that needed to be bailed out because they helped the people in the US keep their homes etc.? And b-real, this has absolutely nothing to do with fanboism, Sony & Nintendo as well can not be trusted if they also plan on implementing these always on cameras & mics in the future. Maybe you both should put your controllers down for a bit & learn about the real world for a while! Reality is a sobering experience! The key phrases are; A camera & mic that sees in the dark is always on listening for your key word & possibly watch too; We have a 300,000 server cloud service, to store all that data! I don't know, it sounds a lot like user data mining to me! http://www.forgetfoo.com/im...
Ya why cant I buy a cheaper system without it ? Dont want it, not getting it no matter what
XboxOne? More like XboxNone because nobodys gonna buy it.
We have no intent of snooping. If it happens, it will be because Kinect One is capable, but we didn't mean to.
Hey, it worked for Google. "Whoopsy-doodle!"
“Microsoft has very, very good policies around privacy. We’re a leader in the world of privacy, I think you’ll find,” Harrison told Eurogamer. A world leader huh? Didn't you get caught snooping on Skype users? Lies again Microsoft.
Not to mention some of the biggest privacy leaks in history are down to zero day exploits in Microsoft products.
-_- so i have to do this again
yea? how do we know you are not? how do we know others are not?
cancel the one microsoft just cancel it
Whew, now I can sleep at night and dream about my new Xbone. Thanks Microsoft! /s
"We are using Kinect to snoop", says Harrison *fixed*
Than let me play games without it plugged in. Oh and yeah I am sure you think that just telling people that is proof you wont, just like history has taught us over and over again, the only truth in our entire existence is that human beings have NEVER lied.
"We're a leader in the world of privacy" I stopped reading there.
When I get around to getting the Xbox One, when I'm not using it. Kinect won't be plug in, I don't care if it needs to or not. If I'm not using it then theirs no point of having Kinect plug in. That or have the Kinect facing the Playstation 4 (so that be all that they can see lol). I'm getting both systems, but PS4 will be the first because I feel Xbox One isn't worth getting right away.
I'm so tired of their PR bull
Pretty much said that there might be sort of policy agreement in the future that allows them to transmit what you do in front of the Kinect to their servers.
If that were true it wouldn't be mandatory and wouldn't need always online.
After reading the article I am even more upset. FUCK YOU Harrison. You hope future use will be more appealing to gamers, are you fucking retarded? It is nothing, a waste of plastic. Not only will it surely increase the base cost of the console since every XB1 sold has to be boxed with it, it draws power because it has to be plugged in and you cannot be trusted anymore than the next guy. I wouldn't let the world's kindest most honest person put a camera in my house. Voice commands!!!! This is your revolution??? The first flip phone I owned 10+ years ago had voice controls and I used it once and was like well that's dumb the phone is already in my hand WTF would I need to talk to it for. Well if I am gonna sit down and play a game the controller will be in my hand. Just a FYI your not the leading tech in the living room. The HTPC is if anything has to be the "leading tech" whatever the fuck that means. You can build one for under $400 and customize it like mad, and it will beat the shit out of your stupid ass XB1 plus it doesn't have to have a fucking camera. I am sure you guys will be honest with the camera like the TSA is with the full body scann... oh wait. Well your different right? How would you benefit from putting a camera in all the homes you possibly can?
Dude you gotta turn this rant into a YouTube vid , its epic
Just read it in the voice of Francis...of course at the end you'd have to say you'll get one anyways.:)
Right......and I'm not using my computer to masturbate.
At least your computers not watching you while you do it. Important factor.
ya ya ya.. Kinect is there to make gameplay better for us all.. Yet, i dont see how a core game can be fun without buttons.. A casual or party game can rock with kinect but i dont really play those.. I dont have room for 2 cameras on top of my TV so kinect is out of the picture.. PS4 eye will be there (if necessary) & thats it.. No xbox done in my home unless they scrap the whole thing & start over ditching the always online & used game crap.. Oh & get some good exclusive core games too.. I have no interest in speaking to a camera to change functions or channels