The PS4 Has Massive Momentum, But Faces Problems Of Its Own

GR writes: "Following the announcement of the Xbox One the results have been clear: many people aren’t happy about what Microsoft is doing with the Xbox brand. Reading comments and feedback online would lead you to believe that the Xbox One has no chance of competing next-gen. Meanwhile, gamers have been quick to wrap their arms around the yet-to-be-released or even seen PS4, which Sony touts as gamer-focused hardware. While there is good reason for these trends, this is only the beginning of a long feud and there are several challenges the PS4 faces that make it anything but the perfect machine you may be led to believe."

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acharlez1793d ago

True. This whole used game thing (if true) will quite likely apply to the PS4 as well.

JonnyBigBoss1793d ago

Sony won't receive as much flak for it since it didn't come out first, but it'll be an issue that gives no advantage to either company.

Wii U wins! :) j/k

MariaHelFutura1793d ago (Edited 1793d ago )

wrong spot.

HammadTheBeast1793d ago

I dunno, if I recall correctly, they said it was an "anti-consumer" process, and that they had no plans for it.

theBAWSE1793d ago (Edited 1793d ago )

I'm sorry this was a poor article everything they said you could say about scambox one and the comment on first party was grasping at straws

Look at how many studios they relevantly missed out... Sony's first party is better now than it was on ps2 all they need to aquire is quantic dreams

Sony has the better gaming studios.. Both consoles will be expensive.. PS4 will bbe a media centre as well look at all the music an TV channels on ps3 it's not gonna suddenly stop on ps4..

Truth be told both consoles will sell

SHORYUKEN1792d ago

If Sony wants to do this they could do it long ago.

Microsoft is digging their own grave.


Dee_911792d ago (Edited 1792d ago )

saying ps4 will have this because Xbone will have this is like saying PS4 will have subscription fee to play online because XBone do.The only thing publishers will do is more than likely keep using the online passes.EA=/= all publishers.EA may have something else in works, but whose to say this drm thing is it.We dont know.
I mean by this logic why doesnt wii-u have this?

rainslacker1792d ago


Online passes will likely become digital now so no need to include them in the box. While I'm not a fan of online passes, they are what they are, and in some regards online games do require monetary support to have them continue. This will be especially true if they have to pay for time on MS servers to run games. Since this is the case, I won't be against them since they don't lock out entire games.

kwandar1792d ago

Wii U wins - not a joke - if Sony goes down the same path as MS with used games. Neither Sony nor MS have enough exclusive product to drive gamers.

Wii U costs less, with exclusive product and none of the used games crap. Steam costs less and games costs less and the PC is likely more powerful (if not this year, than certainly next) than a dedicated console.

Plus .... Wii U plays the Wii games too, and there is a strong virtual console line-up.

IF PS4 follows MS ... they will lose the rest of their audience who will stick with their PS3, because it plays all those games they've already purchased, irrespective of the dozen games on the PS4 at launch.

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Muerte24941793d ago

Sony is going to give nintendo the upper hand? That just means the rise of Nintendo all over again. Nintendo's Wii U will be the only console to allow used games with no strings attached. I doubt it also because ps4 doesn't require mandatory installs. Remember Sony receiving their own version of DRM "Simcity" with OFFLINE Heavy Rain? This is why I think they chose not to follow this route. I think they filed a patent to have the option there if people supported it enough.

wishingW3L1793d ago (Edited 1793d ago )

Sony has taken many bad decisions in the past you know, they aren't perfect. Another thing is that Game Publishers want this DRM bullcrap to happen, so what if they tell Sony that if they don't implement something similar to M$'s draconian policies that they will not make games for the PS4?

Rusty5151793d ago

Sony were asked about if they were going to block used games and their reply was that they were going to do the right thing. But Sony also said it's up to the developers to decide stuff like this. This is what I'm scared of though. I think that they might be being too nice to developers and assholes like EA are going to just take advantage of them and add as much bullshit as they want like required online games and used game fees. I don't think EA would have canceled their online passes if only Microsoft are doing the used game fees.

Muerte24941793d ago

I doubt Sony will continue with this especially given the backlash. The key thing is Sony isn't forcing installs of their games. People don't realize that Sony and Microsoft both publish games too. I buy new anyway so all of this doesn't really affect me. I'm rather have ps4 given the lack of titles on the competitor's system. Guarantee Microsoft's going to trump out some kind of Dance Central using the next gen kinect.

GenericNameHere1793d ago

That's the same excuse I've seen for the last 2 years. Always using the "Sony always f*cks up" or the "$599" lines to respond whenever someone criticizes MS or Nintendo. Do you really thing Sony will make the stupid decision to sell a $500-$600 console again?? Do you think Sony is the only console to make stupid decisions?? People criticize Sony fanboys, when Xbox and Nintendo fans are just as worse. MS was stupid to be the only hardware company to make you pay to play online and rush the release of the X360, yet still people ate it up, because apparently paying for something = unhackable. Then Nintendo decided to completely change image, from hardcore with the GC and before that, to family friendly with the Wii, and now back to hardcore with the Wii U. I still can't believe hate Sony for making mistakes, when all this X1 restrictions are probably the biggest mistakes any hardware company could make.

S2Killinit1792d ago

I share your concerns because it is right on. Problem is, MS is opening pandoras box and everyone else including Sony will have to respond. If MS decides to take gaming in that direction and they are successful in shutting the consumers up and manipulate them into accepting it (just as they did with monthly online fees) then the whole industry will have to go along in order to compete. Sony is currently saying that they want to leave it up to the developers because if the developers like the idea then Sony will be at a disadvantage, so even though this is not something Sony would have done by its own, MS's decision to implement fees on used games forces Sony's hand in letting the developers do what they want. This is the problem with having a company like MS in the gaming industry. They are not focused on gamers, they have other ambitions of going up against Apple and Google and gamers are just a pawn.

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MariaHelFutura1793d ago

"Do you want us to do that?" he asked.

No, I said. I think, if you buy something on a disc, that you have a kind of moral contract with the person you've bought it from that you retain some of that value and you can pass it on.

Do you agree, I asked?

"Yes. That's the general expectation by consumers," said Yoshida. "They purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation."

So if someone buys a PlayStation 4 game, I asked, you're not going to stop them reselling it?

"Aaaah," was Yoshida's initial answer, but seemingly only because he'd forgotten his line. "So what was our official answer to our internal question?" he asked his Japanese PR advisor. The advisor stepped in but didn't seem to answer clearly, at least to my ears. Yoshida then took control again firmly:

"So, used games can play on PS4. How is that?"

I said I thought that was fine.

DOMination-1792d ago

PS4 might still have always online games though it is not a requirement set out by sony. They are leaving the option open for publishers and I believe we will see EA and Ubi use it in future for both consoles.

Sony have to keep their options open because its possible tgey could lose publisher backing.

Muerte24941792d ago

DCUO/DUST514/Warhawk were all always online. Xbox One is requiring you to install the game. I don't think Sony ever mentioned a mandatory install for games. In other words, what method would Sony use to verify the game? Another reason why is because you can play games without an internet connection. This is opposed to XBOX ONE where you have to register it first before you can intall and then play it.

tetsuhana1793d ago


Interesting how all of your comments always get a bunch of disagrees for no reason

MariaHelFutura1793d ago

Don't hate the playa, hate the game.....or your cable provider.

maxgamehard1793d ago (Edited 1793d ago )


The disagrees and debubbling are the only form of defense the xboners know. Its sad they can't accept the facts.

SDF Repellent1793d ago (Edited 1793d ago )

Maria, you been beaten a dead horse regarding this eurogamer post. All Yoshida is confirming is that it will not block used games, and nothing confirmining that there will NOT be a fee involve.

When really asked about online registration of games and fees, Sony failed to answer them in other interviews.
" When asked whether games would require online registration, Yoshida noted that that decision was up to the publisher. When asked if Sony, as a publisher, would require games to be registered online, Yoshida said, "we are not talking about that plan."
When PlayStation UK Managing Director Fergal Gara was asked for clarification on what Yoshida had said , here is his response:
"Well, first of all, we haven't stated that second-hand games... we haven’t made a statement on the second-hand games question," Gara said. "The answer to the pre-owned question isn’t clarified just yet and we’re working through that and we’ll announce our
position in more detail as and when we can."

I hope Sony ain't going down the same path as MS because I am planning to get a PS4, but to keep defending something like your first born without any official concrete confirmation is just silly.

MariaHelFutura1793d ago

Truthfully used games is a secondary issue for me on PS4 or Xbone. ID tracking through facial recognition and 'always on' is my main concerns for either console. If PS4 does those, I'm done. Ill just buy a Wii U and continue to enjoy my PS3 and 360.

MysticStrummer1793d ago

@SDF - It's not a dead horse if other people keep bringing it up. PS4 doesn't require an online connection. That alone means that MS's strategy can't possibly apply to PS4.

Darrius Cole1792d ago

No mandatory online checks means no check to see if the games I play are used or not.

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Arai1793d ago

The whole thing escalated because Xbox fans are pissed at Microsoft and trying to put Sony under the bus.

This started out at NeoGAF by the way, E3 is in 15 days.
I'm sure Sony will clear everything up there.

a_bro1793d ago

15 more days until the end of the world. Wait, his isn't soul sacrifice lmaoooo

MysticStrummer1793d ago

It's not likely to apply to PS4 because it doesn't require an online connection, which is the only way MS's used game system can work.

Publishers may require an online connection for their games, and they may use that to determine if someone is playing a used game, but that's on them not Sony.

MariaHelFutura1793d ago

The PS4 won't require an "always-on" internet connection, and it was never going to need one, Sony President of Worldwide Studios Shuhei Yoshida told Game Informer (via Gamespot).

"Did we consider it? No, we didn't consider it," Yoshida said. "The main reason being that many countries don't have robust Internet connections. It makes sense for people to have Internet connections to play online games, but for offline games there are many countries that we saw [that] do not really have robust Internet."

Fair point. Yoshida previously confirmed an offline mode in terms of the PS4's social and sharing features, saying, "Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally.

SexyGamerDude1793d ago

It's funny how your comment got so many disagrees. The MS fanboys are mad.

S2Killinit1792d ago

couldn't have said it better. You are a gentleman and a scholar sir.

kwandar1792d ago

I'm not an MS fanboy (don't have an xbox and I sure as hell won't get one after seeing Joe's rant) and I own both a PS3 and a Wii U.

That being said, I don't trust Sony. This is the company that used a rootkit on consumers. This is the company that let you use the "other" system on the PS3 and then said ... only if you don't want to be online ever again.

I want THE FACTS FIRST. While Sony may not go as far as MS, I don't trust them. It isn't clear to me that Sony isn't going to try to screw consumers. I hope not, but this is far from over.

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fermcr1793d ago (Edited 1793d ago )

"True. This whole used game thing (if true) will quite likely apply to the PS4 as well. "

I agree. Most users still haven't realized this because they are completely blind fanboys.

As of this moment the only major difference between PS4 and X1 is the always online functionality from X1 (beside the obvious peripherals Move/Kinect).

Outside_ofthe_Box1793d ago (Edited 1793d ago )

***"I agree. Most users still haven't realized this because they are completely blind fanboys.

As of this moment the only major difference between PS4 and X1 is the always online functionality from X1 (beside the obvious peripherals Move/Kinect)."***

How? The only reason I see for people saying that the PS4 will have some sort of restriction/fee for used games is because Microsoft currently appears to be doing it.

Until MS officially states that they aren't charging a fee for used games and/or until Sony officially states that they will have some sort of anti-used game policy, as of this moment the only major difference between the PS4 and X1 is the required internet connection AND used game policy for X1.

MysticStrummer1793d ago

PS4 doesn't require an online connection, so the same policy can't possibly apply.

I'd say the types of memory in the two are a major difference. Most of the specs show a clear advantage for PS4, but to me the memory type is the biggest indicator that gaming is a secondary function for One. Maybe a close second, but still second.

FamilyGuy1793d ago (Edited 1793d ago )

"This whole used game thing" will most certainly NOT apply to the PS4 actually.

Mircosoft built their console to be like PC gaming where you just use the disc as a way to get the game on your hard drive and use an activation code to prove you paid for it. Sony did not go that route. On the PS4 you will still buy a game, pop it in and play directly from the disc. This alone gets rid of the problem MS faces with allowing of used and borrowed games.

There is no activation code to get your game running on the PS4 so you also don't need to be online in order to play your game for the first time on a PS4. The difference is vast.

Sony has already stated its used and borrowed game policy and it falls in line with what we currently have in the form of an online pass.
Unlike the online pass though, it can be for anything within the game, not just online, and is at the complete discretion of the publisher. For the PS4 a dev or publisher could make your game completely free of any restrictions based on it being second-hand or borrowed or they could choose to apply a code before you're to allowed to do any sort of thing. Examples of "any sort of thing": Earn trophies, play online, play at certain difficulty levels, play with certain weapons or items, access certain game locations, have access to certain characters or story lines, etc.

For the PS4 it's completely up to the publishers and or developers whether to enforce a restriction on a game that's used. For the Xbox One activation codes are mandatory before you can play any game for the first time. With the game saved on your Xbox One HDD and activated the disc is now only useful for reinstalling or allowing a friend to install who will then have to purchase an activation code to play they game if they aren't playing on your activated account.

Xbox One's used game policy will involve the deactivation of a game code so that it can be reactivated on a new system of whoever buys your game. Borrowing, however, is only an option if your account is activated on your friends system. You will also have a 24 hour grace period play without your friends activation if you play offline/disconnected.

KingKelloggTheWH1792d ago

Sony said the PS4 will be able to play Used games.

DonFreezer1792d ago

Developers asked this to combat piracy.If the asked it from both console manufactures and only Microsoft agreed except third party exclusive games coming to the One.

kwandar1792d ago

Third parties only make games that will sell, and One will have so few customers it will be hard (other than EA and football for the US market) to justify a One exclusive.

Bye EA. Bye MS .. which idiot company wants to be next to piss off consumers? No Sony ... put your hand back down!

syanara1792d ago

this article bears little to no understanding of market strategy and calls out Sony "Problems" by assuming rumors and heresay as truth.

The price will likely not be very high, Sony has already stated that they understand the mistake they made with the PS3 and we know it will cost less than $600 additionally taking out all proprietary hardware is what both brings the cost of the PS4 down as well as takes away backwards compatability. Which sony execs have stated that they would love to see return via a service like gaikai.

Another reason the cost would go down is that Sony will likely and if not they should lose money on the PS4. like sony's plan with the PS3 they were to lose money on the console but make it up in software sales. This is a strategy many tech companies use to make money.

Sony may not be the furst party juggernaut I remember but as they have lost first party studios, they have also gained. and are still the number one company for first parties out there.

To assume that sony will block used games in their own fashion I believe is a little out there for an assumption as well. I wouldn't be saying this if it weren't for the Sony CEO stateing that Blocking used games was "Anti-consumerist" and went on to make it seem that to block used games was an extremist position.

Sony has said that they will not block used games with the PS4 and that is enough for me.

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ftwrthtx1793d ago (Edited 1793d ago )

PlayStation has a leg up when it comes to your living room as far as media devices go. They already have a line of TV's and stand alone blu-ray players and their smart TV's do just about everything the Xbox One will do.

As for the used game market, GameStop will end up lowering their prices on used games, but that means they'll give even less for trade in values.

ApolloAdams1793d ago

Sony TVs are overpriced. Also for a company that owns lots of music and movies and has quite the power in media they suck at putting it al together in one cohesive package and place.

dbjj120881793d ago

I think neither of the console manufacturers want to admit what their machine will require from users.

dbjj120881793d ago

Haha, depending on what software was announced I might make that trade.

wishingW3L1793d ago

PS4 will not cost $600... This guy is silly.

a_bro1793d ago

$400 has to be the price, that's the sweet spot for this system.

They should also anticipate on what Microsoft is going to do, sell their system with a low price with a xbl contract.

Angeljuice1792d ago

Don't forget, Microsoft have their big conference at 10am on the 10,th of April (I think thats the correct date). Sony's event is the same day at 6pm. If Microsoft reveal a price, Sony have several hours to adjust their plans and match/undercut Microsoft!

Virtual_Reality1793d ago

Wonder if the Gaikai service is going to have free access with all the features.

ssj271792d ago

If is not free then is pointless ..
Plus is cool with their free games and free to play games butis not cool to have festures exclusive to plus members ..
for example clouds saves should be free to any PS3 user.. cool to add extra space with plus.. that ok but basic features should be free.

JoySticksFTW1792d ago

C'mon bro

Everything can't be free

It's a good deal

Just look at the competition's premium service

ssj271792d ago (Edited 1792d ago )

Who cares what m$ or ninty does.. I'm a Sony PlayStation costumer!

so because m$ are evil sony has to be evill.. ?
Many of yo sheeps make fun of m$ fans paying a fee to play online, which it should be free..

But we are in 2013 limited online storage should also be free, and extra stores should cost, is simple, specially in the next gen, which is very digital and has strong networks.

Ps plus is a good value by the games it gives, everybody his it because of the games.. if I get it it will be because of the games but I will not get it until sony stops been greedy by giving exclusive features to plus owners .. it's evil and as greedy as m$ charging for online.

And by you disagreeing with me is like M$ live sheep disagreeing when we tell them live should be free.. it's a fact.

All the social aspects that Sony showed on their PS4 reveal will be irrelevant if they are not free to us the non plus members.

Come on wake up ps4 user don't be a sheep like the live users.. who are actually less of a sheep because they are been forced to pay to play online on thr xbox.

JoySticksFTW1792d ago

"All the social aspects that Sony showed on their PS4 reveal will be irrelevant if they are not free to us the non plus members."


ssj27, Sony is still a business

They're not angels. This isn't charity. They're here to make money as all console makers, devs, and publishers are.

PS gamers get to play online for free. That's good.

They don't need to bypass another paywall to access features like Netflix, Hulu Plus, Crunchyroll, etc that they've already paid for.

I'm glad for that.

I hate to throw this around, but you seem to be one of those entitled gamers.

You state that PS+ is already a good service, but won't buy because you're holding out due to Sony's evil business practices.

But you seemingly fail to understand that Cloud storage costs money. Why should it be free?

Some of those extra features Sony discussed during the PS4 reveal like streaming games from the Cloud is going to cost money to maintain.

Sony's only responsibility to consumers (beyond observing the law) is to offer a fair, enticing service in exchange for money.

You don't need to purchase it, but it's kind of nuts to call people sheep for wanting to reward a service that is one of the best deals in our hobby.

You're the one that seems greedy in this situation; not the company.

ssj271792d ago (Edited 1792d ago )

you make no sense..

cloud cost money.. and that is why they should charge extra for extra capacity, could was not there when plus came out and they just add it in plus to make plus users feel special because it was not a good value like it's right now..
don't bs yourself.. not asking sony to give me anything free i'm investing in buying their console and games and could saves at least a basic could saves feature should be there for free, i mean we are in 2013
you sound just like a xbox fansheep, playing online "cost money" "could saving cost money"
I can't belive that you an't see how stupid you are and sound.
and is a fact..

basic could save data is free virtually everywhere, youtube etc..
is a free feature everywhere.. and that is a fact.

and it should be free for consoles.. specially when they get YOLD we the users lose years of game saves because Sony is greed..

so you an't tell me that could save service cost money when everybody has it like live owners saying online gaming cost money, yes it does and that is why we pay for the console and games.. we are not getting them for free.

you lose the case.. you got no logic or mature argument.

you are eater a PR from sony or have stocks under sonys name.. a gamer a costumer will not think the way you do.. who defend a greedy corp.? you got issues

JoySticksFTW1791d ago

ssj27 says:
"you got no logic or mature argument."

Also from ssj27 this thread:

"Many of yo sheeps..."
"everybody his it..."
"could was not there..."
"you sound just like a xbox fansheep"
"basic could save data..."
"because Sony is greed.."
"so you an't tell me that could save service..."
"you are eater a PR..."

"I can't belive that you an't see how stupid you are and sound"


Cry more

Go on, cry :'(

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