Submitted by ltachiUchiha 829d ago | article

Sony 'actively pushing' for 60FPS/1080p with PS4

Fluid frame rate performance targeted by Sony.

By David Scammell

Sony is "actively push[ing]" for PlayStation 4 developers to deliver games that render at 60FPS/1080p, according to a developer working on the console.

Discussing the differences between PS4 and Xbox One with Eurogamer, Stewart Gilray, who is working on a secret PS4 game at Just Add Water, said:

"We might see slightly smoother framerates on PS4. We're working with Sony right now, and they're trying to actively push 60 frames per second, 1080p.

"You might get situations where the graphics will be a little, but not much, lower quality on the Xbox One," he continued. "Or, you might get some fixed at 30 frames per second situations in 1080p. It depends on the scale of the game.

"If your game is going to push the heck out of the PS4, you might have to do some little tweaks [for the Xbox One version]. But if you design your game to work on Xbox One at 60, it's going to work on PS4 at 60." (Industry, PS4, Sony)

Credit url: eurogamer.net
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Wizziokid  +   829d ago
good to hear
NatureOfLogic  +   829d ago | Well said
Great news. PS4 day One. ;)
decrypt  +   829d ago
Lets hope so, They made it look like PS3 would be doing 1080p 120 fps, was more like sub 720p 20-25fps.

The GPU they have selected for the task in a PC environment can barely do 1080p 60fps on todays games. Even with console optimization with the advent of next gen games i would be surprised if they pushed games for 1080p 30fps. Most games would probably be back to 720p once the graphics bar is raised.
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DigitalAnalog  +   829d ago
Here's the thing.... Not every developer has the resources to push the system to it's limits. So all that extra "power" can at least go through a high-res and frame-rate. It's the least they could do.
Why o why  +   829d ago | Funny
One pushes for 60fps

One pushes for 60channels ;)....

Silly jokes aside, this is what we want to hear. Consoles are still limited but lets hope this gen mirrors last and that's that everything got better technically as the gen progressed.
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ThatCanadianGuy514  +   829d ago
Yep! Day one.Break free from the shackles of oppression and join the Playstation nation!
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LOL_WUT  +   829d ago
The way it should be IMO ;)
abzdine  +   829d ago
now that's what i'm talking about!
Utalkin2me  +   829d ago | Funny
Xbox One is doing the same thing.....oh wait that's for TV my bad.
MoveTheGlow  +   829d ago
@LOL_WUT, I totally agree with you.

I just wanted to say that because as I was browsing on my phone, the friggin' thing hit "Disagree." You won't find a more ardent supporter of 60fps in games :) apparently my phone actively hates me.
iloveallgames  +   829d ago
pushing for 1080p 60fps? That's more than a little disappointing that the best console is still working to achieve 1080p 60fps.
Mister_G  +   829d ago
Pre-ordered :)
starchild  +   829d ago
I would honestly prefer that they push for 1080p/30fps with higher quality graphics.
Tatsuya  +   828d ago
You must be one of those PC elitist they talked about. I am too, got an awesome rig right here. But I don't talk sh1t about my console. PS4 is a beast! You and I know it, that's why you can't stop trolling. Butthurt much huh
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Irishguy95  +   828d ago
I was butthurt, when I realized Sony lied about 1080p 60 FPS being the standard on Ps3.
n4g_someone  +   828d ago
Gonna buy PS4, BIG TIME...
JoGam  +   829d ago
Sony can keep actively pushing 60FPS / 1080P, while I keep actively saving up to 1080 dollars for PS4 and launch games.
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ThanatosDMC  +   829d ago
All ready got my PS4 funds saved at $800. I'm thinking of getting a second controller and 3-5 games.
dalibor  +   829d ago
I better start saving up myself. Wonder if your friends list will transfer from the PS3 to PS4. Can't imagine starting over again. And the PS4 better not have always online. While online capabilities did in fact bring new elements to gaming look what has become of it. Totally not what I was expecting...
BlmThug  +   829d ago
I'm saving up now. I think £500 should cover a PS4 and a few games.
Lol, that's going all out right there. I'm at $600 but if Sony announces the PS4 at a higher price than $400, (I'm hoping 400-450) Then I might have to increase my stash a bit to like 800.

My Budget is to get the Ps4, 2-3 games, and maybe, a new controller. all within 600 right now.
ThanatosDMC  +   828d ago
^I kept my tax refund. I'm trying my best not to use it.
RBdrift  +   828d ago
Like any good responsible college student I'm putting a chunk of my financial Aid refund to good use.:)
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rainslacker  +   828d ago
I have $1200 already. Was planning on X1 and PS4, but since X1 seems to be off the table now, I can just buy more games for the Wii U and PS4.:) Hopefully I have enough left over for some frozen yogurt.:)
Maddens Raiders  +   829d ago
I can't believe I'm as excited -
for the PS4 as I was for the PS3. The more things are revealed about it and what devs have in store for it the more my excitement builds.

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Utalkin2me  +   829d ago
Well it is hard to believe but i think i more excited for the PS4 at this point then i was for the PS3, yeah IKR.
dalibor  +   829d ago
I'm always excited about new releases. Wish I could have experienced the NES/Genesis system announcements even though I ended up playing both of them back in the day even owning the NES system. Same goes to the even older consoles, can't forget about them.
justrandom  +   828d ago
I agree,hey Madden - Have we raced together gt5 ?I'm vlonjati77 .Familiar name your id.
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ILive  +   829d ago
I am 1080p @ 60fps, and I approve this message.
jujubee88  +   829d ago
I for one
Welcome our new HD overlords.
ijust2good  +   829d ago
Fuck You Micro$oft. I'm moving to PS4. I want to play games not watch TV, i can do that on my TV and i rarely watch TV. I hope Micro$oft losses next gen and that's coming from a person that though Xbox 360 was overall better than PS3.

I want M$ to get butt hurt so that in three years down the line, they'd stop and think "damn, why didn't we build a machine with gaming in mind".

I've spoken to many people(lot of them 360 owners) and they all tell me that the PS4 is what they will get for sure.

M$, ur next xbone will be a failure as much as the Windows phone and Windows 8 OS. M$ seems to be in an all time decline. From Windows OS to Next Gen console.
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greatcrusader44  +   828d ago
This. 360 was my first this-gen console and only got a ps3 last year, great machine but since I've had my 360 for 4 more yrs its hard to say its not my preferred console since I'm used to it. But F*CK Xbox One, getting a PS4 And Wii U first, and may not even get a Xbox One period.
djtek184  +   829d ago
I remember during the ps2 era, most of their games were 60fps
no tv apps??? :(


Kaz:shadow fall
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Hozi  +   829d ago
I really just wannna play Deep Down already!!!!
ssj27  +   829d ago
PS4 Mutiplataform games have ONE bottleneck .. agree if you know what I mean lol
Conan-O-Brady  +   828d ago
Are you talking about MS's insistence upon parity when it comes multiplats? If so I fear we may see more of that in the coming generation than we did this gen.
ssj27  +   828d ago
seriously I hope this gen devs use that extra juice on the PS4.. guess to have better AI, FPS and better resolution.. or one of them.. specially since this time is easy to develop and it will be easier to use that extra power..
This time there is no excuse.. PS4 has clearly extra power and is easy to develop.

I know some devs will not.. EA will not or ACT.
rainslacker  +   828d ago
If MS fails to get a foothold in the market, particularly outside the US, they may be forced to drop that particular policy or risk losing 3rd party support...that is if 3rd party support would want to support it if it didn't have a foothold.

It's a policy that should have never been invented IMO.
Bathyj  +   828d ago
MS cant afford to force console parity like they did this gen, gamers wont stand for it, and publishers will be dumb if they let them.

Sure they could be bullies before having the larger userbase for most of the generation but if PS4 take the early lead, and at this stage why wouldnt it, then theres no reason for pubs to bow to that.
PCGamingNoobs  +   829d ago
love how you have disagrees for "good to hear" about sony pushing for 1080p/60fps.... guess people prefer 720p/30fps :/
Monkeysmarts  +   829d ago
Butt hurt Xbox fanboys.
Ju  +   828d ago
Yeah, because it isn't called a 720, it's called a XBone. ;) LOL. Looks like they did want to call it 720/30...
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PopRocks359  +   828d ago
Goes to show, Sony really wants what the core gamer wants.
showtimefolks  +   828d ago
I wouldn't expect any less, we need at minimum to do 60FPS with 1080P

His is next gen if these systems aren't capable of that than why are they so next gen when our current can do 30-720p?
NateCole  +   829d ago
Yes start with KZSF
Walker  +   829d ago
KZ:SF is on 30fps
Angeljuice  +   829d ago
At the moment, but its still in development. It also used fxaa at the reveal, but that will be replaced by a new technique at launch.
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M-M  +   829d ago
They still have time. I'm not saying that FOR SURE it will be 60fps, but I'm sure they're trying to push for it.
Sony360  +   829d ago

FXAA isn't a resource heavy technique, so unless they do some heavy optimisation you can bet it'll be at 30fps.

Really though guys, 30fps isn't bad at all. You watch movies at 27fps, just more is a bonus :)
Jaqen_Hghar  +   829d ago
In a demo running over 6 months before release yes it was. A man thinks they could polish it up for launch especially considering they didn't have the extra RAM to work with.
DivineAssault  +   829d ago
ahhh yes, cant wait.. KZ may be 30fps right now & possibly launch that way but games later on in the systems life might be 60fps.. 1080p 30fps KZ is just fine for a launch title.. Keep in mind LAUNCH TITLE..

Since the console is designed to be easy for devs, we will get some great stuff... I am so damn pumped for PS4.. I want it now & cant wait! My wallet is ready!
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Lior  +   829d ago
For a 2013 console it should be 60fps at launch no excuse
Pudge88  +   829d ago
totally agree man... a new generation and still trying to cap us at 30FPS... Not acceptable at ALL and none of us gamers shouldnt accept it either. We should start with 1080p 60fps...that is all
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claudionmc  +   829d ago
That's true... but from 3GB GGDR5 of developer ps4 to 7GB GDDR5 of final ps4 usable RAM, they could go from 30fps to 60fps
Fishy Fingers  +   829d ago
Your not going to get much clearer than that^^ folks.
Sony360  +   829d ago
FPS is always at the cost of visual perks. Try not to forget that before posting such dick brained comments.
Ju  +   828d ago
Is that it? Well, we had that already. Ride Race runs flawless 1080p @ 60fps. So, that's what you want?
Prcko  +   829d ago
ps4 day one
KillrateOmega  +   829d ago
My body is ready. Unleash your digital love upon me.
S2Killinit  +   829d ago
god i cant wait for PS4 (:
Prcko  +   829d ago
same here,but we still have last of us and gta 5 to play on this lovely ps3 gem :D
Pintheshadows  +   829d ago
And Beyond.
stuntman_mike  +   829d ago
and that puppet-tier game? and until dawn!!
Jaqen_Hghar  +   829d ago
A man is super excited for those but is anticipating Puppeteer and Beyond 2 Souls just as much if not more so. A man is just happy we get to enjoy such awesome exclusives even 7 years into our console's life with its successor coming out unlike how some other companies treat their old consoles.
Avalanche  +   829d ago
they shouldnt have to "Actively Push" this is "Next Gen" all of this should be mandatory by now. if its not mandatory then obviously the stupid developers arent good at there jobs and they want to push something out that isnt ready.
iistuii  +   829d ago
Agree that's exactly what I was thinking, I built a gaming pc to play every game at 1080 or above so i could get better textures with all the jaggies ironed out. If they can't do that on these new consoles still then ill pass on them.
Kenshin_BATT0USAI  +   829d ago
Umm, you are aware that at the end of the day if the tech can't handle it the developer can only do so much? I mean the PS4 and Xbox One aren't marvels of technology by any means. So I would have such inane expectations of them.
cigloman  +   829d ago
You know I had always been a console gamer mainly until earlier this year, built a rig and game on 3 monitors, while I have nothing against consoles I can't ever see myself going back to single monitor gaming. 3 monitors at 144 hz = unreal experience. Before everyone jumps up and down about fps = hz otherwise no difference, I can't get crysis 3 to function at high settings but pretty much every other game at high to ultra settings works fine, btw have not tested last light yet.
While I appreciate what console gaming brings in simplicity, I still can't believe what I had been missing on for years, the versatility and depth added to games is something to behold, not to mention I have built a solid library for 1/10th of what it would cost on consoles.
Honestly anything beloe 40_50 fps is like a slap on the face for gamers, and no one and that includes fanboys should setlle for it imho
Avalanche  +   825d ago
ummm you do know that the CPD franchise has been at 60fps on a console for the past 5years....

and if the ps4/xbone arent "Technical marvels" then WHY THE F ARE THEY COMING OUT.
Pintheshadows  +   829d ago
Ok, I may be sick during racing games. I'll still play them though. I just remember Wipeout HD's Zones mode which I like to call the Migrainator.
mrmancs  +   829d ago
But wait I got told on n4g months ago by PC fanboys that games are 30fps @720i on ps4 and a PC is far superior blah blah blah , and I took them seriously!
MidnytRain  +   829d ago
GameCents  +   829d ago
Hold your horses until we play the games ourselves.
pandehz  +   829d ago
Wait a min I heard PS4 was doing 4k, whatever happened to that.
Oh_Yeah  +   829d ago
That's for blu ray movies.
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MidnytRain  +   829d ago
Jesus, the amount it would cost for a 4K gaming machine... $_$
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FlyingFoxy  +   828d ago
Lots of fanboys said it'd run games at 4k but it was obvious to those with decent knowledge of hardware that it wouldn't.

on PC you still need high end cards for 1080p and 60fps, nevermind higher. Besides you add 2 cards and it defeats the purpose of high fps since you'd get micro stutter.
LocutusEstBorg  +   829d ago
That's right. Even on an equivalent GPU in a PC, the weak GPUs in the PS4 and One cannot run any modern game at 1080p 60fps. Console optimisation will maybe add 20% performance. Still no where close to 1080p 60fps at the same graphical settings on a PC maxed out.
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PrimeGrime  +   829d ago
Sounds good to me. PS4 just sounds better and better the more I hear of it.

Can't wait to see what it look like, Sony never fails to impress with designs. Well at least I like their designs.

I think if the PS4 looks anything like the PS Vita in terms of how nicely it was designed, we are in for a good looking treat.

@Pintheshadows I think that is more on your end, I haven't had any troubles with Wipeout HD or Wipeout 2048 on Vita giving me headaches. Have you gone to a doctor about this? You may have a small case of photosensitive epilepsy.

Or it could be possibly you get motion sickness from racing games, then it gives you migraines. I can't read or play games in moving vehicles, it gives me massive headaches.
Jaqen_Hghar  +   829d ago
A man wasn't crazy about the latest PS3 model and the slim was kinda plain looking but still looks great from the front. A man would love a more box design like PS2 because he will be able to put things on top easier. Also Vita looks sexy as hell.
Brazz  +   829d ago
I'm sure it will! damn! If i can play shit like uncharted 3 whit 512 MB ram and 7 years old GPU(not unificated), imagine waht i can do whit 8GB (maybe 6-7, because of the OS) DDR5 unificated and better GPU!
Killzone first presentation was at 30fps, but they only used 3.5 GB DDR5! whit a bit more they can reach 60fps for sure!
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Lalander  +   829d ago
Well actually they used a total of 4.7 GB, not 3.5 GB.

Studio-YaMi  +   828d ago
Such an in-depth summary !

Thanks Lalander :D
sandman224  +   829d ago
Great news for Sony. That's what I really wanted. 60 frames.
jameson12345  +   829d ago
That's cool, good for them.
insertnamehurr  +   829d ago
I think sony should have put the 7970 in there instead, cause, i have a feeling the gpu they chose isnt powerful enough to give us gamers good performances running at 60fps.
ginsunuva  +   829d ago
But then people would be like "it costs too much!" as they type away while standing in line for the next iPad.
Brazz  +   829d ago
PC and consoles are diferent things in gaming...
The GPU may be weak for a PC based game, but it will work great in the PS4!
Just look at PS3/Xbox 360 > 512 mb memory and 7 years old cards! and still can play shit like uncharted, gears, god of war, Halo 4 ! these games certanly are inferior to pc current graphic power, but i can assure you that pc whit the same power level of PS3 and Xbox 360 can't play that games!
Edit: I am considering the latest versions of these games! Ex: Gears 1 does not compare to Gears 3, Gears 3 is infinitely superior graphically!
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Persistantthug  +   829d ago
@GivesitToUharder........They couldn't bro.....TDP reasons.
If you put that kind of GPU in the consoles, they would catch fire and/or burn out.

If you think about it, For form factor, Consoles share alot in common with Laptops.

That's why this gen of consoles have Laptop type GPU's in them.....basically.

In the PS3's case, AMD put in one of the most powerful Laptop gpu's they could.
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thechosenone  +   829d ago
unless it's a massive open world game or are dripping with all kinds of snazzy effects & AA, I don't really see 1080p/60fps being a problem.
ginsunuva  +   829d ago
60 fps shouldn't be done where not needed, as it leaves room for more graphical quality.
Brazz  +   829d ago
shooters need 60fps, the diference if great, belive me...
mmj  +   828d ago
60fps should be standard for ALL games with graphical quality taking a back seat, 30fps is laziness it's just a quick way to get better graphics without having to do much optimization.
Perjoss  +   829d ago
PC gaming has been doing 60fps / 1080p since before PS3 launch. I'm just saying.
CaulkSlap  +   829d ago
The fact that you phrased it like that means you're not a PC gamer or have any idea what you're talking about.
Perjoss  +   828d ago
Been gaming for around 35 years and owned gaming PCs since 1995. If you're talking about me using the term 1080p instead of stating a monitor resolution of 1920 by 1080 or 1200 then its because I tend to write things down in a way that non PC gamers might understand, no offence.
CaulkSlap  +   828d ago
Ok. It's just hard to tell genuine ignorance vs console war speak. Just bothers me when people act like fps is a magic number to achieve and not a complex balance of fully utilizing the hardware while keeping the game playable. Anyone tweaking settings on a PC game should know the fundamental concept.
Tatsuya  +   828d ago
PC is for all the other great things. My PS4 is for gaming
hah funny thing I have one powerful rig too. But seriously who gives a shit. We are discussing about next gen. No one is starting a PC war here. Move along will ya
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quenomamen  +   829d ago
It will ultimatly same as current gen fall on the Devs, some will always take advantage of the power and push their games forward ( Naughty Dog ) others will say eff it and will make do by pumping out " Good Enough " games ( Treyarch, Infinity Ward )
vigilante_man  +   829d ago
I did read somewhere after the PS4 reveal that the Killzone developers said they were interested in getting more action and a better environment on the screen than hitting a specific fps.

And I agree. The new gen with huge Ram by comparison should be able to create exciting new worlds with awesome environments and loads happening at the same time. This is more important to me. But I do want them to look as good as they can as well.
ATi_Elite  +   829d ago
Nvidia/AMD Driver updates = Optimization
1080p @ 60 fps shouldn't even be a question, it should be automatic this Gen. Last Gen they promised 1080p but Barely managed 720p on AAA Games.

Next Gen is starting to look like what they promised last Gen but didn't deliver.

Oh what happened to all that OVER HYPED 4K talk? That was so funny.

HD7970 CFX = 1080p Ultra settings over 100 FPS across 3 screens.

GTX 660 ti SLI = 1600p Ultra settings over 60 fps.

I still have nO clue on the hard specs of next Gen GPU's but getting 1080p 60 fps means they will sacrifice graphics cause the GPU's DO NOT have unlimited watts like a PC.

I'm sure with the Optimization edge they will find a way to squeeze quality out those machines but You can Optimize all you want but it will NEVER replace Raw Power.
yewles1  +   829d ago
*sees ARMA III avatar*


ssj27  +   829d ago
1080p 100fps on current gen games you nerd.. not on games with KILLZONE SF visuals or tech.

There is no games jet using the amazing new tech KILLZONE SHADOW FALL has..
the day there is one you come and talk trash..

no PC games are using the full real time ray trace tech lighting effects jet, KZSF is using it.

You don't fool smart people by stupid comments .. PS4 gamers are mature guys not nerds.

life life get out of the basement, spend time with friends and family..
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iamgoatman  +   828d ago
"no PC games are using the full real time ray trace tech lighting effects jet, KZSF is using it."

Followed by

"You don't fool smart people by stupid comments .. PS4 gamers are mature guys not nerds."

My brain, it hurts just reading that!
Pillsbury1  +   829d ago
It's funny how I see all these comments about Xbox fans jumping out. Microsoft has really messed up.
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vigilante_man  +   829d ago
We need to stop thinking in terms of Xbox fans and Sony fans now. Its gaming fans. Buy a wiiU if you like, buy a PS4, buy whatever you want just have fun!!

Your past purchases should not prevent your future ones.
Pillsbury1  +   829d ago
But their will always be those who have their preferences and won't accept others viewpoints. There will always be stubborn gamers.
merciless  +   829d ago
This is what we need!
Oh_Yeah  +   829d ago
Idk about you guys but I'll be happy with native 720p @60fps, with good up scaling you won't be able to tell the difference.
PR_FROM_OHIO  +   829d ago
Sony just knows what gamers wan't don't they??
PANTHER1030  +   829d ago
PS4 day 1, for me!
PurpHerbison  +   829d ago
Anything other than 60FPS/1080p is absolutely unacceptable.
GiantFriendlyCrab  +   829d ago
they should at least achieve 45fps on all ps4 launch games
GodGinrai  +   829d ago
1080P @60FPS on consoles..I could get used to that.... I feel like Sony are spoiling us ;)... I just wanna buy one now.

Edit:and before any PC gamers jump on the whole "we been doin that for years..get a PC" MY PC would run rings around most of yours and I dont even game on it (except for hawken and mech warrior...nothing else I want on PC. I use mine to produce music..I also have a Macpro).
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Nik_P757  +   829d ago
Are you saying your Macpro would run circles around a gaming pc?
GodGinrai  +   828d ago

Im saying the core i7 based PC i am typing from right now could spank most of ya`ll rigs! lol

I just mentioned my mac pro, in case any of PC guys wanted to get into a pissing match... not like I cant afford to do the hi end PC gamer thing. I choose not to.
PersonMan  +   828d ago
I've got a Mac Pro too man and I also make music! Awesome!

Sometimes I boot into Windows and play a few PC games, but for the most part, I prefer my PS3.
Nik_P757  +   829d ago
I'm excited about this gen, the more I hear the bigger the anticipation!
isarai  +   828d ago
30fps only is not a game breaker to me, but it's nice to see Sony pushing 60fps.
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