Joystiq - Gamestop's approach to the Xbox One's nebulous pre-owned game policies – which may include charging players a fee for booting up a used game – involves emphasis on digital adaptation, and letting Microsoft do the talking.
Gamestop sounds just as clueless as MS.
Microsoft told Gamestop what it wanted it to hear NOT what it needed it to hear.
Gamestop has to take this stance regardless of the facts. To publicly state otherwise is to commit stock price suicide. Remember, Gamestop acts to protect its investors first, the game companies second, and the gamer dead last. Its not that they act to protect the gamer even then, merely its the simple truth that in the eyes of Gamestop no one ranks below the gamers at the bottom of the list.
Uhm so what will you say if sony does something similar to micro for used games?...because unless I missed some new press release with a concrete statement that they wont have any used game *FEES* then they just might be headed down the same road.
umm joker, if sony does charge for used games, thats 1 negative thing about nx gen machines.. Sony wont require internet & require game installs on top of it
The president of Sony said "We won't block used games" a month or two ago.
@MariaHelFutura, MS also stated a couple days ago that they will also not block used games. Can you find me quote in which Sony said they will not charged a second purchased/online fee involving used game? The answer I keep hearing is "we have no announcement at this time" and it sounds awfully similar to MS response of "we will announce used game trades at retails at a later date" @DevineAssult, Also, I never once heard Sony announced that PS4 games don't require game installs. Did Sony announced that at their conference?
Please link me where they said they have no announcements at this time regarding used games? http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
^^^ "When asked whether games would require online registration, Yoshida noted that that decision was up to the publisher. When asked if Sony, as a publisher, would require games to be registered online, Yoshida said, "we are not talking about that plan." http://arstechnica.com/gami...
"I sat down with Yoshida a few hours after the PS4 reveal tonight and one of the first things I asked was whether used games would be blocked. "Do you want us to do that?" he asked. No, I said. I think, if you buy something on a disc, that you have a kind of moral contract with the person you've bought it from that you retain some of that value and you can pass it on. Do you agree, I asked? "Yes. That's the general expectation by consumers," said Yoshida. "They purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation."
"So that's my expectation." -Have you ever watched politics, that's the type of campaign answer you give when you want the voter to think you are going to do something AFTER you're elected while at the same time its a way to hide you're intentions of doing what your $lobbyist paid you for....then when confronted about why you flip flopped you just say you only said it was an "expectation"/a goal/objective/you tried but unfortunately its Democrats/Republicans fault it didn't happen. [camera off] [laughs all the way to the bank]. Again nowhere has sony confirmed there won't be any type of used game fees.
So, to sum: "Microsoft told us, and now we're telling you, that Xbox does support used games market. They didn't specify that 'support' means 'adding a fee', or that 'used games market' means 'Microsoft-run online swap-meet'. But yeah, they 'support' it so there you go" ("but on a side note, I'm not going to mention that GS stock dropped on May 21st after Microsoft's announcement") Xbone: Call of Doggy. Please be excited.
Wake up Gamestop.
Wake up to what? Gamestop was told that it can sell used games and that people will be able to play used games on the Xbox One. That is ALL Gamestop cares about (being able to sell used games). Gamestop doesn't care if the consumer has to pay an extra fee to play it after he buys it.
Yeah. We know they do. For a price... >_>
I wonder what Gamefly has to say about this stuff. This will really hurt their business.
There's a whole division lost for them. That blows. Just thinking about the new commercials for them. "Subscribe to Gamefly, where you can rent you favorite PS4 and WiiU games, but not Xbox One, because they think your stealing unless you buy a game new. Sorry kids."
And what the hell makes you think sony wont block used games; when we know for a fact they have it patent. I so wish I would be able to see the look on you sony fan boys face if they do announce they will block used games.
Its possible to make rental disc, that'll cost places like gamefly a premium. Its already done with blurays, so the option is there. Half the movies I receive from netflix, the special features are locked.
Of course they do, because when they trade it in to a place like Gamestop Microsoft knows they're getting an extra $60.
What's the point of buying a used game if it's full price though? That makes no sense to me. Is Microsoft drunk?
Exactly. I don't see how a used disk, that must be paid for/unlocked again to play, would have any value.
The bright side is, it could force Gamestop too lower the outrageously high prices of their used games.
try full price + GS price! you buy the used game from GS and then you have to pay full price to MS to activate it. so...it will be like you're donating your money to GS! GS can strike back by refusing all XB1 trade in. because user can buy a game, install it and then go straight back to the store for highest trade in value possible. gamers who know best will not be buying used copies and GS will be lest with MANY MANY unsold used copies! so...the only way to prevent this is to refuse trade in all together. There will be no more impulse/blind purchase by gamers, no return, no trade in value or whatsoever! maybe by then gamer can start talking with their wallet and stop buying this scam and MAYBE....just MAYBE, M$ will rethink their strategy!
That's not a bright side negative. This whole things sounds like GS will just facilitate the redistribution of already purchased content, but most of the money will still remain within MS. Although in this case it will be handled in store. Gamestop will receive a kickback, like they do currently with DLC content sold in store. It's possible they could unregister a person's disc though if turned in. Effectively though it means that MS or the publishers will now control trade in prices and the resell price of those games...which will likely be like Gamestops current policy of $5-10 less than what a new game cost. It's good for the pubs and MS as it means they are getting money off 2nd hand sales. It's not good for the gamer, because it means most of this is very limiting to them in terms of choice. All this is pure speculation mind you, but I wouldn't doubt it goes this way. GameStop is too big to just cut off completely right now. But I wouldn't doubt that publishers want to lessen their influence in the market for their eventual demise.
From the sound of it, 100% true--assuming same price point. From what I've read and understand the disc is primarily being used as a physical distribution system to keep from having to download the game online. With all of the "Cloud" and "License" talk MS has been focusing on anyways they are seemingly only really supporting physical discs for those that lack the internet speed/limit to handle that kind of volume (or those that like to pretend they own the content/collect games). Its an unfortunate and unwanted evolution for consoles (any product actually) and can lead to some serious problems for all parties involved.
what a back stap from MS. Reaching Gamestop before the conference and lying to them about used games! I'm expecting Gamestop to promote PS4 like crazy.
"Digital content can be easily discovered," Bartel said. "We will actually work with Microsoft and we will work with Sony as they come out with – I guess what you would call 'non-gaming entertainment properties.' We'll be selling those in our store." Customers will be able to pay for this content with trade-in currency, other executives said.: Well, according to that statement from GS, not just MS but Sony might be going down the digital used game path as well. Time will tell. Hope this doesn't happen or physical mediums continue to be used for trade ins as well.
If Sony does it I see WiiU sales jumping even higher than they jumped after the MS announcement. God bless you Nintendo!
Sony already stated I think they will probably have a very large digital catalog of games considering you will be able to install games and stream-line play them off of PSN. The popularity to that I guess will depend on where you live and how much bandwidth you get from your ISP.
What part of 'non-gaming entertainment properties' is unclear? They'll sell other stuff to offset the lost money on XBO games and whatever PS4 games DEVELOPERS decide to block. Sony has already been clear on the used game issue, unlike microsoft.
i think everyone is overblowing the situation, they are doing this to kill piracy and not to kill the used game market even thought im sure many would love that like devs. my only gripe with this sytem they are going with is that you cant give a game to a friend, once you do and they want to play they have to pay.
I just dont like people telling me what to do with the things I purchase.....
badkolo, You know on bookreaders like Kindle and the Nook, there is an option for your friend on your contact list to request to barrow a book from you. If you accept, the license will temporary transfer over to your friend for however number of days the system is set up for; in turn, you will loose your license access until that lend license had expired. I think that might be a good alternative to go for next gen and might actually work but I don't see it happening due to the chance of the DRM being hacked. we will see.
I've been saying something very similar in other posts. I actually think that's what's going to happen.
Now that you said that, Microsoft did something similar with the Zune. You could lend songs to your friends and they could listen to them 2 or 3 time but then they would have to purchase them after that. So maybe Microsoft will have it where you loan the games for a few days then after the times expires your friend will have to pay if they want to continue playing.
I wasn't aware piracy was so rampant on the 360 or the PS3. I know it exists, but nothing like with the PS2 or Wii or PSP. So why take measures which restrict things so much to harm the honest people. I mean Vita has blocked piracy pretty effectively so far, and it's annoying, but you can still sell or trade your games. I'm sorry. But I haven't heard publishers complain about home console piracy for a very long time. I have heard them wax on poetically how the 2nd hand market was so detrimental to their sales however. If piracy was a problem with the consoles, piracy would be getting the blame right now. Piracy gets the blame for a lot of restrictions on the consumer. Sometimes it's accurate, sometimes it's overblown. But piracy is often used as a way to enforce these kinds of measures on the consumer and help us accept it because we feel sorry for the publisher.
uhmm, piracy on xbox 360 is freaking huge man
Ah. I don't keep up with the scene anymore. Stopped all that in the PS2 days. I thought Xbox just had a big problem with hackers in game. It's weird. Usually you see reports about that stuff. I find it strange if it's such a big problem that publishers aren't railing more against that, than the 2nd hand sales.
sure they will, for a price!!!!
To be honest I think it will be inevitable that Gamestop will have to adapt to a new era of digital entertainment or they will go bankrupt and fall flat. If it wont be completely the gen coming up but the 1 after that I am sure there will be more digital content and more restrictions in sharing physical media. Based off an interview from EuroGamer Phil Harrison said to them that anyone can put in the disc a friend gives them but they can only play it on the profile of that friend. If they want to play it on their own profile the game will be already installed on their system but they have to buy it I guess from online store to play it. So if you want to buy a used game you have to buy the used game from Gamestop then you have to buy it again from Microsoft to unlock it. Sounds kind of ludicrous and dont see how Gamestop is being so calm about what MS is doing.
Yes, MS is correct, they will support used games. Just not in the way every consumer thought. Clever use of words, telling the truth yet lying at the same time. Whatever, I'm almost over it. As someone on this site pointed out to me, this is the direction the big fat cats in the gaming industry are going. Funny there's an article about devs expressing their frustration of MS and their policies towards indies, but no same outrage about their used games. That just shows me what this industry is headed towards.
of corse devs wont show outrage about used games policy ms is doing....they stand to lose the most.
Actually I think this policy will cost developers but they are too dumb to see it. I think people will be much more choosy about the games they buy which equals less sales or they will boycott ms altogether and nowhere did ms claim they would give developers a cut of the double charge
I don't think it's the devs that are mostly against 2nd hand sales, it's the publishers. For the most part, devs are paid to make the game, and often time receive bonuses based on sales performance or review scores. 2nd hand sales aren't usually an issue for the time where these bonuses are calculated(first 3 months or so after release), so the dev would just rather have as many people playing their game as possible. For the less replayable games, or games that suck, 2nd hand is really bad because they tend to get traded in quickly in large numbers, and since people don't want it, the used price drops substantially. Publishers want to remove that factor of crappy, short, games not selling well to maximize revenue off them. They probably don't care about the AAA blockbusters that sell 5+ million copies getting traded in that much. Publishers want to control the market in such a way that they can maximize revenue through artificially higher prices over a longer period, and force people into a DD model long before it's really ready for mass consumption. The 2nd hand market keeps publishers from selling games longer, as after 6 months new copies are rarely ordered. I understand their plight, but making a game that people want to keep is much better for the consumer. Some older really good games still command high trade prices because they simply aren't available at retail anymore, and people aren't willing to part with them as much. Quite a few 1st party Nintendo games are like this. Might be a good model for these publishers to look at.
Wait, you mean Microsoft said that? I don't know of any talking Xbox's who agree to being interviewed.
I think when Sony say there will be no fee for used games then MS will say the same thing. I can guarantee that when the Xbox One launches, It WILL play used games for no additional fee and it will not have a offline mode.
It depends on what Sony's plans are. If they really don't want to restrict used games, then they would be best to hold off as long as possible to not play their hand. It keeps the heat on MS, even though some doubt is being cast at Sony right now. If MS comes out and says it won't restrict, then Sony can just say it never intended to, making MS still look bad because everyone know or believes it is their plan and they bowed to consumer pressure, but still look like asshats for considering it. If MS confirms everything, and Sony wants to do it too, then they can say they will go this route, and all hell can finally break loose. If MS confirms everything, and it was never in Sony's plans, then Sony would still be wise to let it stew for as long as possible just to keep that heat on MS. Then they could come out looking like heroes by saying they never intended it and dig the X1's grave that much quicker. It's an interesting turn of events. I knew the announcement would bring out a lot of interesting things, but never expected so much political type maneuvering in a console race.
M$-Yes we support used games=60$ full retail price.
Who wouldn't support selling a used game at full price? GameStop would do it if they could get away with it.:)
You buy from gamestop. Then you have to pay MS half of what the game cost. Just to play it.
... as long as they get a cut.
This Forbes article today was interesting.Basically yeah..You trade in a game at Gamestop, Gamestop goes online and "removes" the digital licence key you had on it,they pay MS/developers a fee (the article suggested 10% as a example), and Gamestop sells the game as usual to a consumer.Because a fee was already paid,the consumer who buys wouldnt be subjected to another one.Gamestop cant charge more than what a new one is, or no one will buy them. Me personally? If its coming to this, I dont care if Gamestop makes $20.00 from me for buying a used game or Gamestop makes $18.00 and MS/Developers makes $2.00. I do not own stock in Gamestop LOL. A system like that could work.Again,doesnt mean im a fan of it. Anyway, heres the article: http://www.forbes.com/sites...
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