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Submitted by jbl316 461d ago | news

Devs express disappointment with Xbox One over Twitter

Microsoft's Matt Booty affirmed earlier today that digital publishing policies on Xbox One would be no different than they were on Xbox 360. Any hope that Microsoft would right the ship that has inconvenienced a good number of former XBLA devs went down the drain after we learned that indies still won't be able to self-publish their wares. Never mind that just about every other viable platform gives them flexible options, because Microsoft is having none of it. (Xbox One)

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Qrphe  +   461d ago
The lack of self-publishing is really shocking. A year ago, I was expecting Microsoft to try to turn the system more open like the Windows OS's since they were integrating Win8 in some way or the other; it's the total opposite of what I expected.
Snookies12  +   461d ago
I had some high hopes for the Xbox One... Maybe this is the wake up call MS needs though. If not, they're going to find themselves in a hole they can't get out of.
I_am_Batman  +   461d ago
Same here. I wonder if the wake up call is too late for them though. The dev reactions are the exact opposite of the ones for the ps4. Microsoft has a lot of work to do if they want to turn it around (if that is even possible at this state).
kneon  +   461d ago
Not necessarily, apart from the weaker hardware almost all other issues are software and business related and so can potentially still be fixed.
MikeMyers  +   461d ago
Microsoft dropped the ball on indies, especially when you have someone like Tim Schafer (one of the most likeable people around) saying boo.

Sony should keep advertising how well they work with them.

What's sad is it looks like Microsoft is treating indies like they do with big franchises, wanting to only support indie games they think can sell well. That's not the attitude that will help them.
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BitbyDeath  +   461d ago
MS seem to have the same problem with the OS market as well.

Win95 - Good
Win98 - Bad
Win2000 - Good
WinME - Bad
Xp - Good
Vista - Bad
Win7 - Good
Win8 - Bad

Xbox - Bad
360 - Good
XbO - Bad

Maybe Xbox TWO will do better
HappyGaming  +   461d ago
@BitbyDeath You forgot Windows 99, 98 was good for its time :P

I recently noticed the same pattern. People buy XP so assume the new windows will be worth it and buy Vista. It breaks their PC so much they are forced to wait and buy Windows 7 which is good and people assume the next one will be even better.

And the cycle continues!
fr0sty  +   461d ago
@kneon

first impressions are key, however, and this hasn't been a good one. consumer confidence in the brand has taken a huge hit.
xxV0rschlaghammer  +   461d ago
@BitbyDeath LOL I've been in the PC tech industry for years now and MS has always had major blunders, I do however think the first Xbox was pretty good, even though during that generation I actually preferred the Gamecube
FTLightspeed  +   461d ago
@BitbyDeath how was the OG xbox bad? it was better then the PS2 AND the gamecube.
Masta_fro  +   461d ago
I think every gamer should watch this...its hilarious!!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
inveni0  +   460d ago
We were starting a new generation, and my pocket book was up for grabs. Everything was fair game. The PS4 impressed me, but I really thought Microsoft was going to lure me back. Instead, they pushed me away. Even when I watched the trailer for Ryse, I thought, "Eh...Crytek isn't the greatest, but this might convince me to pick up a new Xbox..." And then I saw that it was a Kinect game.

*sigh*
darthv72  +   460d ago
some misinformation here
Self publishing applies to games that would appear in the "Indie" games section. That has long been the norm and is even the same case for Indie games on the PS store.

If an Indie dev wants their game put into the bigger more lucrative sections, that is where they need to partner up with a bigger publisher. there is no blocking of an indie dev to release their game.

The problem with the way its all phrased is people are assuming that if a dev cant self publish, they cant get their game on the service. That is wrong. It only applies to "WHERE" their game is listed.

Its like in retail markets. A product is generally placed where it fits. If a company wants their product at the front of the line, they pay extra for that privilege. EVERY company has the right to do that but some lack the funds to do it.

There is a false representation going on here. By all means i support indie devs but that is why they are called indie devs. they have their own section in both the Live marketplace as well as the PS store.

These smaller devs want their wares put in the bigger sections of both services because of the higher volume of traffic those sections generally have. They CAN do that but it will cost them OR they make a deal with a bigger publisher to do it for them.

I dont know if its some sort of entitlement mentality they are trying to push. Meaning that because they make a game and want to sell it on the PS store and live that they deserve the same section as games from bigger publishers. well...no offense but that is why both services created the categories for "Indie" games. So those types of games dont get lost in the shuffle of other big dev/published games.

Support the indie developers by buying their wares and word of mouth. The more popular their title becomes, it would naturally escalate up the ranks in the service and could help them get picked up by a larger publisher which can lead to them being put into the same category as the bigger arcade games on both services.
andibandit  +   460d ago
@DarthV

quite a wall of text, but i read through it like a Dan Brown book. Nicely written.
blackbeld  +   460d ago
@masta

Hahahaha that was funny awesome!!

Thank you for the laugh.
Ashlen  +   461d ago
Windows 8 is the most closed version of Windows to date. Most people agree that the direction Microsoft wants to move is towards a more ap based system where they can control what makes it onto there system like Google and Apple.
maxgamehard  +   461d ago
It looks like M$ is no longer competing with Sony and Nintendo rather they are competing with Google and Apple.
showtimefolks  +   461d ago
sony and nintendo both offer developers to self publish so its shocking that ms isn't allowing that with xbox one

but also i think MS is testing the water and will make the proper changes at E3, atleast i hope because some of their moves are head scratches to say the least
Godmars290  +   461d ago
Sony and Nintendo are largely following the example MS set. Which still doesn't excuse MS's inflexibility.
Darrius Cole  +   461d ago
Microsoft isn't going to right any ship, they are doing exactly what they have wanted to do all along. They want to eliminate the used games market. In order to do that small developers must be forced to play ball or else. Can't have them going off the reservation later.
jetlian  +   461d ago
what does the used market have to do with indie devs Darrius? indie game would be dled anyway so there is nothing to sell used.

I think it has to do with people like phil fish not being able to pay to fix their game! If phil fish was backed by EA or Activision they would have payed the 30k or whatever it cost to fix the game so as not to stir the pot
maxgamehard  +   461d ago
Look at what the creator of Minecraft said.

https://twitter.com/notch/s...

And even Tim Schaefer is upset.

https://twitter.com/TimOfLe...

Did M$ not see what Sony has been doing. Or have they seen what they are doing but just don't care because they are making this console for a different crowd.
RandomDude655  +   460d ago
You're talking about the company that had a funeral for the iphone when windows 8 phone was about to launch.

They are a bit delusional and are suffering a large amount of groupthink.
Die MS Die!!!
Tsar4ever  +   461d ago
Ya'll should look at these 2 guys rants at youtube, Sooo hilarious!!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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Pintheshadows  +   460d ago
I like the angry metal head.
WayneJ360  +   460d ago
Its gonna be running 3 OS's you guys need to listen to everything they say Im sure Windows 8 will be one of the 3 since im running Win 8 now and has some functions on 360 already :)
otherZinc  +   460d ago
I'm not buying a next gen console for indie games!
TheLyonKing  +   460d ago
Missing out. Indie games are amazing and well crafted like Fez, journey and bastion.
Cueil  +   460d ago
Journey was published by Sony and Fez and Bastion initially got their starts through Microsoft who clearly wasn't draconic and made them stay exclusive. Most indie games are on PC and even with a basic rig you'll be able to play 99 percent of them. I'm holding out hope we see some verion of XBLIG as well as the ability to publish apps through the Win8 store to Xbox One.
waltercross  +   460d ago
You're truly missing out!.
Cueil  +   460d ago
seems Major Nelson was hinting at something as did Aaron Greenberg... perhaps we'll see some form of XBLIG come to Xbox One also there is the Windows side that theoretically you can put your Win8 game apps on. There are still a ton of things and this is software based so maybe the voice is loud enough that the people who want it in Microsoft will get the boost to give it the go ahead.
SexyGamerDude  +   461d ago
I really had high hopes for this system. All it has turned into is Microsoft forcing their crap onto us. The fees, the forced installs, and the internet requirements are all crap. Now they do this. They want to be another Apple or Google.

You could have at least worked with Google, so One buyers (whoever they are) wouldn't have to use that crap IE.
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FlameHawk  +   461d ago
Lol even the Console exclusive dev are talking bad about it; Super Meat Boy and Fez. Lmao what a blow to Microsoft.
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SexyGamerDude  +   461d ago
The creator of Minecraft even commented. Do you know how popular Minecraft is? Every time I hop on my dashboard I see a Mine craft add. What's going to take it's place now?
itz_zombies  +   461d ago
Fortress Craft. :3
Sarobi  +   461d ago
"But honestly, after their reveal yesterday, does anyone really WANT to make games for it?" - Terry Cavanagh

Indie support goes a long way, and right now MS doesn't seem to be getting it.
M-M  +   461d ago
It's amazing how rumors and developer praise for the PS4 are all coming to together and are starting to make sense. I honestly can't believe what Microsoft is doing, what were they thinking?
Rusty515  +   460d ago
Haha. I read the last sentence in the avgn's voice.
Akira2020  +   461d ago
I would like to personally thank Microsoft for saving me a shit load of cash.
-Akira2020
SexyGamerDude  +   461d ago
I'm glad they did this. Saved me the trouble of not knowing which console to pick.
3sexty rulzzz  +   461d ago
they pretty much didn't gave a shit for their loyal customers and gave all of us the finger and I can't be mad at sony fans for enjoying the moment. I'm disappointed! O well, at least i still have my 360
majiebeast  +   461d ago
So Sony has Indies,F2P devs,third party,second party and first party support. Yeah this is the system for gamers and developers they promised.
supremacy  +   461d ago
you are right, but guys like greenpower seem to always find ways to spin the negative press, which is why MS doesnt need to care because they got guys like him around.

Here is if we can all agreed a better way to kick off a gaming conference or in this case a reveal http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Here is how not spend 45 minutes of your reveal... http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Count  +   461d ago
So, wait, you think Microsoft cares about greenpowerz?

The delusion is amazing.

Some people actually thinks he works for Microsoft!

Then we must have the entire Sony roster on this website.
ceballos77mx  +   460d ago
@count.

You're wrong he's saying the opposite of what you think, since there are many blind and loyal supporters like green, M$ doesn't give a $#!t about what gamers want they know they will buy whatever they release.
DivineAssault  +   461d ago
I thought all the PR talk was gonna hype up every console cuz its just "PR" talk.. But its clear that devs are praising PS4 & down talking wii u & now X1 as well.. SMH but ppl will still say "just wait til E3 & there will be so much more games for X1" Even though they had a hour long reveal using 45min of it to talk about TV & Sports. Microsoft is clearly telling the world what theyre offering them yet ppl seem to have hope that something else is coming..

Ill be keeping my Wii U & getting PS4 day 1 without hesitation..
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Lucreto  +   461d ago
Not a good start for Microsoft. Compare this to PS4 conference. Developers were out supporting it, Indie Developers the same. Very little in negative press.

If I was Sony I would do a nintendo direct type show just for indie developers.

It will give these developers a spotlight so people will buy their games. It is hard to get an indie game the time of day during E3 so little snap shots would be good for them and might get more developers to consider Playstation 4 and Vita.
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majiebeast  +   461d ago
Go tweet @ShahidKamal about it im sure he would love the idea of a pre E3 indie blow out. Also Sony did focus on indies at GDC and gave them the entire spotlight.
Lucreto  +   461d ago
I was thinking beyond E3.

The developer gets interviewed or talk to us directly about what the game is about, show some Gameplay etc. I would be more likely to buy the game if I know more about it.
Count  +   461d ago
Sure, go tweet guy who gets tons of ideas each day your idea, and expect him to give enough of a shit about it to actually implement it.

Sony loves every gamer like Jesus loves every man!
Snookies12  +   460d ago
@Count - Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed...
adorie  +   460d ago
@Snookies
I heard Stone beds will do that to you.
waltercross  +   460d ago
@ Lucreto

Well from what I heard on the PS4 you can try a game before you buy, so thats just as good.
saint_seya  +   461d ago
@count: talking the way u do.. have u though in taking the "o" in your name...
merciless  +   461d ago
Unless MS' next move is there best move. I strongly believe that the xbox brand will have a really rough time trying to compete with PS4.

It's confirmed 50% less powerful and unless they bring out all 15 of those 15 next gen exclusive games, it might just be a wrap. Microsoft have cut other malignant ventures from their structure regardless of how successful they were previously.

E3 this year is going to be something special to watch. Personally I'll be watching the foreheads of both MS and sony execs for precipitation because if MS come out with an arsenal and every gun blazing... Sony execs might sweat and if Sony comes out using every last bit of that 50% more raw power...

We might hear tears...

VGchartz console preorders numbers may just end console wars for a generation.
tuglu_pati  +   461d ago
@merciless

"It's confirmed 50% less powerful" that statement is wrong.

The PS4's GPU is 50% more powerful than Xbox's.
The Xbox's GPU is 33% less powerful than PS4's.

Imagine the Xbox One has 100 power units and the PS4 has 150 power units.

The PS4 is 50% more powerful than the Xbox One. 150/100 = 1.5
The Xbox One is 33% less powerful than the PS4. 100/150 = 0.66

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
merciless  +   461d ago
My statement

"and if Sony comes out using every last bit of that 50% more raw power"

You seem to have missed the fact that I had already acknowledged the 50% more power to the ps4?
tuglu_pati  +   461d ago
I did not missed it. I was just correcting you. You said the XB1 is 50% less powerful and that is incorrect. The correct way is 33% less powerful.

The XB1 is 33% "LESS" Powerful

The PS4 is 50% "MORE" Powerful
sway_z  +   461d ago
Xbox One is the CIA's console of choice...it seems like a console designed by globalists...

Should have named it Xbox One Elite.

Even Peter Molyneux is struggling to express excitement...in fact IGN have a 2hr post reveal interview on youtube where they seem to be mocking the Xbox One.

Peter Molyneux is struggling to work out who the X1 is actually for....wasn't this guy linked to MS?

Xbox 1984 edition - Big Brother IS Watching you, now log in every 24hrs....

"Go Home Xbox" - Classic :)
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Klad  +   460d ago
I agree! Xbox one will not work without Kinect attached!!! BIG BROTHER IS ALWAYS WATCHING YOU!!! - Watch this new IGN Video - http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Gamer-Z  +   461d ago
MS should just get out of the console business seriously
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BitbyDeath  +   461d ago
I agree, after the stunt they pulled with XbO.
I can't tell if they are actively trying to ruin console gaming for everyone or if they are really just that dumb!?
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sway_z  +   461d ago
@BitbyDeath....

They're not ruining it for everyone...I am PS4 all the way, and what are you talking about? the PS4 doesn't require always online?? IDC about Xbox One?? You are confused, I'm all for privacy, thats why I don't want kinect??..really dude, are you making this up as you go along? And we're discussing NOW, NOT YOUR FUTURE..get with it...!!

@Gamer-Z

Don't worry, I think this is MS' way of getting out of the console business.

@BitbyDeath

Make up your mind and quit editing to conveniently switch your argument....confused you are or just really upset that your console makers have abandoned you?

#xboxgonehome
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BitbyDeath  +   461d ago
@sway_z, If this becomes accepted then their is a chance PS5 may get the same treatment. It will eventually ruin gaming for everyone cause MS are setting the standard.
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BitbyDeath  +   461d ago
Edited, cause i re-read and thought maybe you weren't that serious with your response.

Anyways if you give them an inch they'll take a mile. And not just MS, others will join in. Stop it while you can.
PS4isKing_82  +   461d ago
I couldn't agree more. Devs hate it. gamers hate it. The press hates it. For everyone saying the wiiu is a failure need to look at the Xbox one. Now THAT is a failure if I've ever seen "one".
Count  +   461d ago
Why? Because you don't like them? Who cares about you? They're successful enough. Enough people liked their product. Like their products.

Why do they need to go?

They have plenty of good stuff to offer.

If you don't wanna buy it, then don't.
waltercross  +   460d ago
I Gladly won't buy it, not being a fanboy but It just has nothing I want or need.
Akira2020  +   461d ago
I went to the store today and actually gave Nintendo WiiU another look. Who would've thought.
Oldman100  +   461d ago
Yeah it's weird. After watching the MS conference I now have this strange urge to go out and buy a Wii U.

Wait, maybe this was Nintendo's plan all along?
starchild  +   461d ago
I've been saying the same thing lately: Sony made all the right decisions and MS is making all the wrong ones.

Oh, and for all those people who are suddenly praising the Wii U just because the Xbox One sucks, drop it. The Wii U still sucks.

PS4 is going to dominate like nothing we have seen in a long time.
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yesmynameissumo  +   461d ago
Devs aren't the only ones disappointed...
nigelp520  +   461d ago
Guys this means more exclusives for Wii U and PS4. As long as Sony doesnt ban used games at all they are going to the system of choice
jdktech2010  +   461d ago
If I remember right (which is certainly up in the air), I think Jack Tretton said the used game issue will be up to the publisher (i.e. online passes) but PS4 will not block used games in any way.

They said the same thing about always online as well.
nigelp520  +   461d ago
At long as the system itself cant block used games thats all that matters. EA tried to do that online pass nwo its cancelled. sumthing similar could happen next gen
GreenRanger  +   461d ago
I'm beginning to think that the Xbox One reveal was just a joke by Microsoft and they'll go out on the stage at E3 and say something like "LOL, WE WAS ONLY JOKIN'".
I don't think the Xbox One can get any worse at this point.
DARK WITNESS  +   460d ago
Watch as they get out the big guns for E3. DC2 with Justin B on stage dancing away.

it's funny, I kept telling all my friends that the conference was going to be shit and they will prob talk a load of crap and show like 3 games and show cod at the end.

Still, it managed to be even worse then what I imagined.
Pillsbury1  +   460d ago
Everybody hates Microsoft just like when you turned evil.
josephayal  +   461d ago
Xbox one is a let down, from a gamer perspective
stuna1  +   461d ago
Aliens tapped into the conference feed, and now even they feel bad for us!
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jukins  +   461d ago
lets hope microsoft changes stances after all the negative attention. we shall see
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younglj01  +   461d ago
Wow and I thought those videos Sony was releasing with developers was just because they announced their console first now it seems like indie developers are about too jump ship...
jdktech2010  +   461d ago
It's not that the Xbox One is a terrible piece of equipment. The TV switching thing is really cool, the voice searching is kinda cool, the sports and nfl deals are neat and all of it sounds great.

The problem is I have a TV and cable box that can watch TV already, I can check my fantasy juts fine on my tablet or phone, I have a TV remote to switch inputs and while it's not as fast or "easy" as the Xbox One, it's nothing that's gonna make me spend 400 dollars and subscribe to Live (would be shocked if the TV thing is free).

It's all about the games and so far we have:

Forza - Good exclusive game

Quantam Break - What is it? Is it a shooter? Story game like Beyond?

Ryse - looked ok when it debuted but that was 3-4 years ago...how much has it changed? What is it now? Fully kinect or controller and kinect?

My point is we know NOTHING about the exclusive games other than there's 15 in the first year which could be anything from XBLA games to full AAA games. I've seen nothing that urges me to buy the system after the first reveal. Now the indie devs which put out some quality content are basically saying they aren't a fan (putting it lightly) and may not develop for it at all which just puts more money and games in Sony's court (like Blacklight Retribution, etc.)

This is almost a complete reversal of last generation's reveals where Sony made all the mistakes thinking they were invincible and would sell consoles on their word alone and Microsoft who showed games and why we needed a 360 with Gears, etc.

Now there is a lot of time left and a lot to be said by both camps at E3 but Sony has 3 quality exclusives that we know what they are. They have two quality (at least in Blacklight) indie type games that we're getting. They have The Witness and the support of every dev out there.

I hope even the Xbox fanboy can understand some of the cautiousness and concerns here. I would love to discuss in a civilized manner why I shouldn't be concerned as I would love to own an Xbox One but right now I'm waiting until Halo 5 at the earliest (if ever).
Nodoze  +   461d ago
I think it is pretty clear from the actions they are taking that MS think the days of the traditional console are over. They are moving towards the Apple/Google model and don't appear to be looking back.

I think they are in for a rude awakening. The console still has some life left in it.

Also am I the only one who thinks that the idea of having to have BOTH a cable box/DVR AND an Xbox one to watch TV is ridiculous? It is 2013, who in the hell still watches live TV??

There is no cable input, which means now you have to have two devices to control your cable if you bought any of the stank MS was peddling yesterday.

Also I find it odd that every time that guy who was presenting wanted to interact with the X, he put his hands in his pockets...HMMMM

It did seem like things were working a bit too well.
ziggurcat  +   461d ago
bu-bu-but i though MS was the best for the indie devs

/sarcasm
Godhimself_In_3d  +   461d ago
Thing is m$ is doing what sony did last gen there feeling them selfs right now and they feel they can do what they want cause they got some legs under them right now
DARK WITNESS  +   460d ago
kind of, but sony had the good sense to correct themselves as soon as they could see it was not going down with the fans.

Does anyone remember the price of the ps3 when it was announced for the Japan market. The backlash was so bad that sony put a price drop on it for japan before the console had actually launched !

When it then released in the US and UK and still it was not selling, within the first 6 montsh I think, or 8, they dropped the price for those markets as well.

You think MS has the ballz to admit they were wrong and actually change their policy on locked games etc? I don't think so.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   461d ago
lmao fanboy thread fo sho.
Snookies12  +   460d ago
Indie devs are fanboys?
medziarz  +   461d ago
hey, Mr FEZ guy and other - so why aren't your games on Playstation?
xursz  +   461d ago
Coming soon I expect.
waltercross  +   460d ago
PS3 was very hard and time consuming to Dev for, I'm sure that was one reason. PS4 will be much easier to Dev for.
Clarence  +   461d ago
They don't care about developers. M$ sees more money in TV subscribers. Their betting that they will be able to get the sports crowd along with old 360 owners to buy the Xbox 1
Bonerboy  +   461d ago
I really dont understand this entire xbox fiasco. It seems that MS's arrogance over their 360 success has gone to their heads. "Fuck 'em, we're almighty and the droves of sheep will buy our new system no matter what we do" Even if they manage (in some miracle) to turn their PR and system around, the damage is done and they have lost a huge huge share of gamers money. I wonder what devs will do?

MS has slipped in shit and hit their heads on the sink. I gave them too much credit in hoping they would make it work. Instead they have alienated gamers devs journalists etc etc. Who the fuck does their market research? Brutal.
MysticStrummer  +   460d ago
' It seems that MS's arrogance over their 360 success has gone to their heads. "Fuck 'em, we're almighty and the droves of sheep will buy our new system no matter what we do" '

They didn't learn a thing from Sony. Sony had a similar attitude about PS3. Of course, PS3 ended up outselling 360 so maybe MS is copying Sony on purpose.
xxV0rschlaghammer  +   461d ago
Wow, as someone who is actually going to school for game design, programming and computer science, this is pretty ridiculous, I actually had always dreamed of getting my game onto consoles, but now it seems like it'll be a hassle, at least on Microsoft's system which sucks because I've been messing around with XNA dev kit for months now for the 360.
cell989  +   460d ago
well now you know to stick with IOS or Sony or Android
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