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Microsoft On Why Xbox One Games Will Be “Locked To You”

Edge: ''Xbox One games will be locked to each owners’ profile – a system which has “a lot of advantages,” says Microsoft Studios’ corporate vice president Phil Spencer.

Amid confusion (and consternation) over the place of second hand games on Xbox One, Spencer told us that Microsoft “recognises the importance” of trading in games but maintained that we’d have to wait for specifics on how Microsoft will address this market.'' (Xbox One)

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iGAM3R-VIII  +   736d ago | Well said
LOL bubble 4 the laugh

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ThatCanadianGuy514  +   736d ago
This guy doesn't seem very excited..
thereapersson  +   736d ago
This sums it up
"Money, it's a crime
Share it fairly
But don't take a slice of my pie

Money, so they say
Is the root of all evil

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Why o why  +   736d ago
Give em an inch.....
miyamoto  +   735d ago | Well said
Don't worry this M$ money strategy seems to work mostly for American market because they will eat anything with enough TV hype.
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nix  +   735d ago | Well said
i've been thinking a lot about second hand games. i understand that lots of games are shared or bought second hand because of which the devs don't get the money they could have been got.

as much as i care for the devs, last time i checked, if i buy a second hand car, the car manufacturer never gets the money. same goes with the toothpaste that's shared. or the newspaper. i mean the manufacturers of every single thing that can be shared never gets the money from the second consumer so why are we treating the games differently?

it's just the thought though.
SilentNegotiator  +   735d ago
"The game is locked to my system?!

https://www.youtube.com/wat... !"
BlmThug  +   735d ago
MS truly lost the f***ing plot after reports of 'Xbox Natal'
theBAWSE  +   735d ago
I dunno what's worse.. The arrogance of ms to pull this crap or the notion that we consumers are idiots in a way that they can word things in a certain way an we will fall for it
travelguy2k  +   735d ago
I believe developers think they should get a piece of the second hand pie (sounds dirty) because if its an online, or multiplayer game, the second owner is using the servers of the developer without paying.

I believe they have an argument, but i don't think they should ever get away with charging full, or possible half price to the second hand player (also sounded dirty). 5 - 10 bucks maybe to have access to their servers and maybe a free DLC just to sweeten the pot.

All i know is that if Microsoft charges too much for used games to be fully accessible by second hand owners and Sony doesn't... then i think the developers won't have to worry about second hand sales, they will have to worry about first hand sales.
Dasteru  +   735d ago
@Why o why:

Give em an inch and they take a foot.

jadenkorri  +   735d ago
if sony keeps their games open and ms locked, we'll see a huge shift to sony.
BattleAxe  +   735d ago
GameStop should drop support for XBOX asap. If they want to keep their business viable, then they need to focus on Sony and Nintendo. It would be smart for them to start to include more retro systems and games also.
zeal0us  +   736d ago
MS motto: Screw the consumers We want MONEY!!!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOgBp ThHBb8
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SnakeShady  +   736d ago
But in long term, if you screw your consumer, you will not get any money.
ZodTheRipper  +   735d ago
^That is what's happening right now. MS already started to screw gamers this gen and now they went for the full retard fatality. They'll probably win over some other customers but they'll definately lost a lot of gamers already and E3 could turn out even worse when they have to face Sony directly.
Raccoon  +   736d ago
if you buy a XBOXone you will pay a large fee for the console, a fee for the games, a fee to be able to pay a fee for Netflix, Hulu and others, a fee to watch tv, a fee to play online, a fee for more cloud memory, and god know what crap they will announce at e3... From now on I will call XBOXone owners "FEE MASTERS"
JackBNimble  +   736d ago
So people who live in the same house hold will have to either share a profile, or pay for the same game multiple times to have access to it on multiple profiles.

Good job ms!
hesido  +   736d ago
It's clarified that although the game will be locked to account, other accounts will be able to play the game if they share the box.
SexyGamerDude  +   736d ago
Yeah, I think it will be like how DL games are now. They will be available to anyone profile on the console.
TRU3_GAM3R  +   736d ago
and a fee for turning on the device
JackBNimble  +   736d ago
Well, they should clarify that then, and if they have then I missed it. I get why a DL would be like that but not a physical copy.
onyoursistersback  +   736d ago
I don't think you can share you account. Cuz kinetics can log you in withs it's camera. Unless your there in person, or have some Mission Imposable mask....your not gana be able to play another persons games/account.
That-Guy  +   735d ago
And with Xbox One you will now be paying a fee for your fee.
denawayne  +   735d ago
I have to admit, I am an Xbox fan and will be buying Xbox One but these comments are hilarious. Paying a fee to pay a fee was a good one.
Raccoon  +   735d ago

I admire your honesty and blind support for your favored company! Loyalty and support will only insure future success of your company of choice...

Sony has supported my gaming needs for a decades+ and for that I will always support their consoles, a company that has awarded me when they succeed and when they fail. They have shown me they really care about my satisfaction as a consumer....

DragonKnight  +   735d ago
@That-Guy: There's a Yo Dawg meme in that somewhere.
insomnium2  +   735d ago

"I don't think you can share you account. Cuz kinetics can log you in withs it's camera."

We will have to disquise ourselves as the person in our family who bought the content. Kinect will be ordering you to "reveal your face and say your name" with an angry soldiers voice. LOL!

an 18 yo girl trying to act s a 30 something man should be easy enough. "that's right I'm Gary". Double LOL!
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adorie  +   736d ago
I just want to put this in here.
kreate  +   735d ago
BISHOP-BRASIL  +   735d ago
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DragonKnight  +   735d ago
That laugh is totally Balmer.
TwistedMetal  +   736d ago
if you dont have reliable internet or internet at all or if you buy used games, share games or bring them to your friends to play at all then you should not be getting an xbox one at all end of the discussion.

i hope you dont travel alot either because i know my parents house dont have internet connection so if i stay there for a few days or something i wouldnt be able to play xbox one at all.
andibandit  +   736d ago
I'll be so busy watching TV i dont think i'll notice.
THamm  +   736d ago
What if you don't subscribe to Live what happens then?
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ZodTheRipper  +   735d ago
You'll get an ugly black box that even plays BluRays now. Yay.
caffman  +   735d ago
But I already have a fat PS3
BladerunnerZX  +   735d ago
"Microsoft’s intentions are abundantly clear: the Xbox One is aimed squarely at those who wish for a do-it-all, fancy set-top box which is packed to the hilt with multimedia capabilities and can ensure the company never misses an opportunity to cash in on its consumers. The ever-shying Xbox controller is sadly the last remaining sign that Microsoft still actually cares about gamers; because the above decisions present undeniable and damning proof that they do not. "


Microsofts Xbox One is not only anti consumer but it is heavily ANTI GAMER.

All gamers must see that all of the restrictions that Microsoft has built into the Xbox One such as no used games and an always online requirement ( the Xbox One must be connected every 24 hours even to play single player games) are heavily geared toward restricting both your usage of the Xbox One and nickel and diming the consumer into oblivion.

As a gamer for over 30 years I ask the gaming community as a whole Please do not buy an Xbox One.

Do not support these anti consumer tactics.
Dlacy13g  +   735d ago
So no used games is anti-consumer? So then clearly Steam is anti-consumer.

Bottom line... there are still many questions that need a full explanation such as what if you console isn't connected to the internet.. can it function period? From all the varying comments I have heard on this I get the feeling MS is saying for your Xbox One to work as it should it will need to be connected once every 24hrs to check for updates, etc..if it isn't connected you will lose out on a vast majority of what it can do. Just like the PS4. If you are not online with your PS4 half if not more of its new functionality is useless.

But this all points to the biggest problem that is MS really has done a horrible job of bringing to light all the facts for this console.
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denawayne  +   735d ago
I have a feeling everybody that thinks they can't play used games or can't play games without an internet connection are going to find out that they were wrong. It just really sucks that MS is not clarifying how the Xbox One works.
pimpschitz  +   735d ago
to denewayne: If they told you how it worked, you wouldn't buy it.
DragonKnight  +   735d ago
@Dlacy13g: Steam is absolutely anti-consumer. Don't confuse their sales as being the only thing needed to be pro-consumer. Let's be real, Steam IS DRM. Microsoft probably got their ideas for the Xbox One's DRM directly from Valve, and you can bet that no used games is definitely anti-consumer. Used games doesn't just mean previously owned, it also means borrowed. What part of that can be considered pro-consumer?
khowat  +   735d ago

but seriously though, the sale of used games sucks for everyone except the consumer and maybe gamestop

Consumers think they're getting a deal and think that companies are trying to dip their hands into their pockets whenever no used games comes up

It is literally that microsoft, the devs get 0 dollars on used game sales

And these days it costs like 30 million dollars to develop a game and upwards it must suck to have so much money just sapped out of you and never being able to make that money back

Sony just sucks it up and takes in fear of angering the consumer but microsoft wats to do something about it

I still don't support it but it is fair for them to want some money from used games
colonel179  +   735d ago
But it's not only the used market. If I buy a game, why can't I lend it to a brother, sister, friend, roommate, etc. Someone might share one Xbox in a household, but there are other times when each person has their own, and MS is blocking them from sharing a game.

Downloadable games might be different because they obviously download to your account directly, but we are talking about a physical disc. If they start to even control the physical stuff, what's waiting for us in the future? The car? The house? Food? Will companies start controlling that too?

I think that controlling digital stuff is immoral, because you PAY for the content and it should be YOURS. Controlling a physical thing it's not only immoral, but nonsense and definitely illegal.
s45gr32  +   735d ago
How about these developers charge the retailers $10.00 for every game sold used. Another option would be to sell the digital version of say game $10.00 or $20.00 less than the retail version. Why consumers have to pay the price for something they are losing money on as opposed to retailers raking all the money from used games.
MASTER_RAIDEN  +   735d ago
LOL this.
NeXXXuS  +   735d ago
I had to join in on this

dj3boud  +   735d ago
double post
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dj3boud  +   735d ago
someone has too edit this video with xbox and ps logos and add some context.. loool

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batbatz  +   735d ago
MS have contempt for their customers
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ABizzel1  +   735d ago
I understand why they did it (money), and I agree with it a bit (look at the game studio closures), but it's still a turn off to gamers.

No matter what kind of gamer you are or what kind of fanboy you are no one wants to see their favorite game developer close, due to used games eating up their sales.

To put that into perspective Heavy Rain sold 2 million copies, and they made a fairly large profit off the game. However, over 3 million gamers have trophies in the game, meaning the missed out on 1,000,000 sales due to used games. As a business that pisses you off, but as a gamer you should be able to do what you want with what you buy.

We'll never see eye to eye on this with companies or agree with it, but that's why consoles are pushing for the end of used games and digital only. I don't mind digital as long as I can play my games instantly and not wait for downloads (PS4 and Xbox One got me covered), if I have a large enough HDD (320GB PS3 is full thanks to PS+), and if the digital versions are cheaper than retail. Until then it's retail for me.
DonFreezer  +   734d ago
Money.Yeah because Sony does it for the gamers and not for the money.Facepalm ps drones.
Snookies12  +   736d ago
Okay.... What advantages does this give? I'd love to hear some answers on that one.
zeal0us  +   736d ago
You get to buy your friends games for a fee instead of playing them for free because we just know you wanted to pay us more money /sarcasm
Why o why  +   736d ago
You get to save a huge corporation the cost of ky jelly.....Our own blood will do for lube...bargain!
guerojose  +   735d ago
He meant advantages for Microsoft, silly.
pimpschitz  +   735d ago
There aren't any advantages really. I'm mostly a second hand gamer because I don't have the money to steadily go out and shell out 60 bucks for a new game. It's bullshit, and I was already thinking about shifting to PS4 anyway, this is the icing on the cake. The fact is, they want their money for second hand products, and since they have a digital archive, it makes sense for them to do this and reasonably do this to the consumer because they are basically fucking us all out of money. Period.

The thing is, they might give some kind of "Microsoft Points" or something, so that way you keep plugging and playing games. It's a marketing strategy, they create a digital market for your games, you pay for them, you pay them for second hand games, you get MPoints, you get the points, you spend it in their stores for more useless shit, you get more useless shit, they never give you money to trade in a game or swap one out. More money in their pockets, they basically just slapped on that smile and waltz out there and said what they said because know the tactics of doing business. Period.
InMyOpinion  +   736d ago
This one is fitting too: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

vega275  +   736d ago
Well goodbye xbox one
DARK WITNESS  +   736d ago
Goodbye xbox, In a way I am glad I bought the halo4 360 as that will be my last xbox. Was going to trade it in, but now I will keep it for old time sake.

(opens arms and looks at PS4 lovingly)
vega275  +   736d ago
Your not the only one. But I will not rule out me ever getting the xbox one. But they seriouly killed any reason from me getting it day one or in the next few years.
DARK WITNESS  +   735d ago
@ Vega

I agree.. If i am totally honest with myself there is still a chance I may get it at some point but it went from day 1 purchase to I will buy dirt cheap or maybe never.
Foxhound922  +   736d ago
They went full casual....you never go full casual
The Meerkat  +   736d ago
^ this is my favourite comment about the MS disaster.
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Foxhound922  +   735d ago
Haha thanks! I'm picturing a African American Robert Downey Jr. watching the Xbox reveal, in full Xbox fanboy attire. Then right at the end he says this lol
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TRU3_GAM3R  +   736d ago
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ oh wait
tigertron  +   736d ago
This was the final nail in the coffin for me. No way will I even consider buying an Xbox One with this "feature".
Sarobi  +   736d ago
Thank goodness the data is only locked to me. I have nightmares about people breaking into my house and stealing my next-gen games.. now I feel safe knowing they will have to pay a fee when attempting to play it...PHEW!.

But seriously.. this is not something I'm going to benefit from.
talisker  +   736d ago
It won't be locked to me because I won't buy it.
coolmast3r  +   736d ago
^-- This guy is truly genious! =)
bomboclaat_gamer  +   735d ago
so is your spelling

but im turned off from the xbox one also

i guess ill go to the ps4 this time around.
TechnicianTed  +   736d ago
The real benefit from this is you don't have to worry about getting your games back when you lend them to friends.

Because you won't be able to.

You also won't have to worry about how much you're going to get from selling your games to anyone else other than MS, they've taken care of that as well, bless 'em.

So cheer up everyone, MS is thinking of you at the end of the day. They've taken all that stress and worry away.

Who needs games anyway? Consoles are for watching tv apparently....
WitWolfy  +   736d ago
So the rumors were true... One game per console profile... LOL thats not going to sit good with future customers..


What if you get a profile ban, does your games just dissapear of the locked profile, or how?
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Sarobi  +   736d ago
I wouldn't be shocked if you'd have to rebuy the games if you got profile/console banned.
WitWolfy  +   736d ago
Not surprised, I still like the way Spencer dodges the question of pre played games though LOL

Plus I wouldn't be surprised if this feature gets dropped 4 months into release because of bland sales.
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Blank  +   736d ago
OH CRAP! I didnt even think about that question! Damn thats scary having a huge library only to lose it, which there have been cases of accidental bans you know I was going to remain optimistic and wait for E3 but this scary thought just put me off 100%
xXxSeTTriPxXx  +   735d ago
That's a very good question, I will like the answer to this aswell.
LightofDarkness  +   736d ago
"Secondary market"? Lending games to friends is not a market. The more they try to sugar coat and dodge questions, the more angry everyone will get. Yeah, wait till E3 MS. By then everyone will be ready to explode all over you, and what you're seeing now is just a fraction of what's coming.
g-nome  +   736d ago
If the games are half to a third of the price they are now ... they are free to lock it to a single account . Otherwise suck it.
RmanX1000  +   736d ago
This would be a cool idea if it wasnt the stupidest thing ive ever heard in my life.
Rainstorm81  +   735d ago

Bubs to you sir
mpnothanks  +   736d ago
Spencer dodged the question of lending a game to a friend by talking about used games.
BlaqMagiq24  +   736d ago
They wanna nickel and dime you of course. They've shown every intention of being anti-consumer.
talocaca  +   736d ago
I hope everyone in the PR department gets a good bonus...they are certainly working overtime and will for a while.
edonus  +   736d ago
This is a real WTF moment here. They should just come out with everything and let us know. if this is what it is then so be it.

I want the full picture. The gamestop CEO endorsed them. Are they really about to stop Gamefly and rentals. This is big stuff.

What does the gamer get in return? There has to be some kind of balance. Unless MS has really just went crazy.

Are we sure Sony aint doing this too. They have been awfully quiet on the subject.

Someone find and article were someone asks a Sony exec how they feel about what MS is doing. I cant see one doing it without the other unless the ONE is a lot different than they showed us.
xxV0rschlaghammer  +   735d ago
The scary part is no one is really confirming or denying any of this on either side, Sony side basically said it was up to the developer, but things can change at any time, my problem is, why would any company trying to remain competitive, put restrictions on something they sell if they thought their competition wasn't going to do the same? seems like bad business and love or hate Microsoft they've always been good at the business part of things for the most part.

I don't like what I'm hearing as an Xbox fan but I'm giving til E3 to make my decision on which console I'm getting at launch/day 1 if any.
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edonus  +   735d ago
I agree with you and i started looking around and you are right Sony never really confirmed they arent doing this too. I would think there is a given and take and some checks and balances somewhere.

I have come to the conclusion I dont care for myself most of this stuff dont affect me anyway. I'm always online I dont share burrow or trade so whatever and I lime the features the ONE has and i have always liked MS games I will be getting Ryse and Quantum Break and Forza as of now. And Probably Destiny and Watch Dogs later and if I really like the Black Tusk game oh and if rare delivers on their classic ip. I would probably want to 2 more kinect games in there thats already a bunch of games. I try to limit myself to 8-12 a year. i just hope they dont destroy community and its no one playing on live. Worste case scenario ill just have to get a Ps4 too.
denawayne  +   735d ago
I was thinking the same exact thing. Howe mind blowing it will be for everyone of the nuts on here thinking only MS is doing this only to find out Sony is going to do the same thing. We're talking big business here. Sony's not going to sit back and watch MS rake in money that they themselves can make. Playstation Plus anyone?
xxV0rschlaghammer  +   735d ago
I agree I don't think if one system does it the other is not, both have been fuzzy over things regarding used games etc, it'd be pretty poor planning to let one system have it and then you yourself not do it.

I think as it sits right now it's a game of chicken between MS and Sony, both are waiting for the other to come out with what they are going to do before making a decision themselves.
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d0nT wOrrY  +   736d ago
Money, MONEY!!

Off topic but it's damn funny hahahaha

"CEO Kaz Hirai ‏@KazHiraiCEO 4h

My plan to plant Phil Harrison into Microsoft to Sabotage the XBOX ONE is working brilliantly right now"
ghostgaming  +   736d ago
The MS campus is a mess today - people are contradicting one another.

Some MS ppl claim you do not always have to be connected to the internet to play games, others say you have to connect at least once in a 24hr period - which is it and what would happen if your internet goes down for more than 24hrs?

They have been real shifty and contradictory in terms of the used, borrowed, rented gaming. They say they understand that aspect of gaming but will charge some fee??? - No details on the fee but say comments ranging from a "small fee" to full "full price or less"

They did not give details on system speed or firm numbers on the amount of the 8gb of Ram needed to run the system. I have seen comments ranging from 2gb to 4gb - either way, more than the PS4 - I would prefer that Ram to be utlized for gaming, not switching from TV to gaming - I do know how to work the remote

At this point, MS will not be able to focus on gaming at E3 because there are so many open questions with contradictory answers. Core gamers are the early adopters of a new console, not the casual market, they wait until the price drops and becomes more affordable
ComBaTs0uL  +   736d ago
This is a console version of steam, this will not effect me but game developers are struggling and this is a way to help them out, just think the more money the developer makes better budgets they get to make new games..
jessupj  +   735d ago
Unfortunately, that money is just going to go to the greedy CEOs and directors of the publishers.

This is not good for the gamer AT ALL.
Alos88  +   736d ago
I remember arguing with someone about the possibility of an offline pass. I said it would never happen.
I was a fool.
NoobJobz  +   736d ago
This sucks. Gone are the days when you can lend or borrow games from friends.

Also, how does this effect something like GameFly or used games from GameStop? I guess I don't fully understand.
pimpschitz  +   735d ago
My assumption is that second hand game stores as a whole are fucked. I just watched an old school gaming store go out of business to gamestop and vintage stock. It sucks cause it was one of my favorite stores. I got my games that I came for at least, Final Fantasy 2/3 and Secret of Mana baby! I'm a junkie when it comes to collecting old games like these and it's really sad that I can't raid the second hand market... oh wait, i'm getting a PS4!!! Oh yea I'm safe. Game on!
xXxSeTTriPxXx  +   735d ago
The physical copy becomes useless after its used unless you pay a fee.so if I rent a game from gamefly I would have to pay additional fees to play the game I rented.

Same with gamestop, you would buy a game only to have to buy it again just to boot it up.

I pretty much buy all my games new and I never rent, but I do buy some used games and telling people what to do with their property is wrong on so many levels.

If I buy a mcdonalds burger and shared it with someone should their be a fee applied to that?..

a game only has value because of consumers, telling me something I buy loses all value the moment of purchase is bullshit.
NoobJobz  +   735d ago
I agree. I want to see what this "fee" is. Surely it's not the full price of the game?

Guess what this means is I will buy few games. Only the Major games that are must haves. Every other game can wait a year or two until the"new" price of it is $20 or less. I can't pay $60 a game. I played 600 games this gen. No way I could pay $60 a piece for all of those.
edonus  +   736d ago
This doesnt affect me directly but I am an online gamer. IF MS drives away all the gamers and the communities I will probably have to pick up Ps4.

I will still get the ONE But I would get it strangely enough for the Features and the exclusives.

I really didnt want 2 console no more.
Jek_Porkins  +   736d ago
I think we all need to wait for a bit more clarification, being able to access a game over your friends house is all good, but my younger brother who is still in college and is my roommate borrows my single player games often, I mean we both buy the latest multiplayer games new like COD, Gears, Halo, Battlefield ect.. I am a business owner and he pays for school, so he'll often borrow my single player games and go through them.

It would be a huge letdown if you couldn't do that, so hopefully they clarify, and saving that remove that feature as an option is they are planning it.
ziggurcat  +   735d ago
i think they've been pretty clear that you'll have to pay for the game if you borrow it from a friend.. or rent it... or buy it used...
Jek_Porkins  +   735d ago
Major Nelson Tweeted that there is many months before the Xbox One launches and nothing is finalized. So I wouldn't bank on anything being written in stone right now.
Pillsbury1  +   735d ago
So if you disagree with microsofts tactics why are you so fervently defending them? I've been seeing so many Xbox supports absolutely disgusted by ms's actions.
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Jek_Porkins  +   735d ago
I think there is a huge difference between disagreeing with something, and being ignorant/ranting about it.

I have a very positive outlook for the Xbox One, I'm going to buy one, I want to see the games come E3, the price point and release date. I have a feeling all the used game stuff will be worked out for the best in the end. That's really the only issue I have at this point.
fOrlOnhOpe57  +   736d ago
Wow Microsoft activated;


Countdown to E3 and detonation continues.....
nick309  +   736d ago
Thank god i can still share pizza with my friends in this world.
Veneno  +   735d ago
Not unless you have a Kinect hooked up to that pizza.
colonel179  +   735d ago
The way this world is going, not for long my friend. Not for long.
Foxhound922  +   735d ago
You can share the pizza with your friends, but your friend has to repay dominos for each slice they eat. =p
sandman224  +   736d ago
I like that you won't need to put the disc in the tray once you install it. That's a big perk.
xxV0rschlaghammer  +   735d ago
Big perk with a lot of downsides, I'd rather require the disc be in after install and be able to rent and lend games and buy used without fees or other BS.
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