"Former MS exec and Lionhead boss names Apple, Google and Samsung as real rivals next gen, rather than Sony and Nintendo." [OXM]
Based on this article if Peter is right then the console will be merely about gaming. I want the Xbox to at least have some social feature but it should solely be about gaming, that is why they call it a 'gaming console'. I also hope the Kinect will not be a required product to play games. TBH when I play Forza 4 on my 360, I turn the Kinect around so it can't see me (lol not to be extra but I just feel being watched :P). I have the feeling though that since it will be competing with Apple, Google and Samsung, if he is right the console will be more like a TV or mostly about entertainment. I hope it isn't though. He says MS are competing with Apple, Google and Samsung rather than Nintendo and Sony which means that it could be more on the entertainment side which means that how could they win. Though i doubt MS would do that but this is a gaming console market not a entertainment market. Today is the day it all happens and I cannot wait to see what Ms has in store. Whether I buy the PS4 or XBox I'll see by E3.
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MS won America! that's about it. this gen.. both (MS and Sony) are starting around the same time so... MS better have something amazing lined up because as we saw last time releasing one year ahead and bashing competitors, biased media can only get you that far. and i'm sure everyone is tired of MS' promises by now including hardcore MS fans... i mean if they aren't then wow...
really?? this guy is smoking some good stuff. dont know where to start correcting him as there is just too much wrong about his views.
Oh boy, this article will hit the hottest section so hard that it'll break the website.
Can't take that man seriously anymore. He's hyped up his games so much and they've failed so miserably that i don't want to comment really, but i have to. 1. Sonys latest figures state that they've outsold 360 2. This gen, Sony has released exclusive after exclusive 3. Even though both Sony and Microsoft tried to go for the casual market, Sony stayed true to their philosophy of hardcore gaming machine whilst Microsoft forgot the hardcore 4. Microsoft had a year head start over Sony, but they managed to bring out fewer exclusives I'm not trying to bring heat to the table, because i'm really looking forward to Microsofts event, it is after all nextgen gaming, but my points prove that Microsoft didn't win this gen. Atleast not from a true hardcore gamer perspective. They went overboard with Kinect, and that costed them. Hope they learn and start bringing the hardcore gamer some freaking awesome exclusives. No one is going to buy a 400$ console for channel integration, there's just too many options out there that already provide that for much less. Here's hoping for a great day, for all gamers, let me emphasize on that... for all GAMERS.
Is he trying to get his old job back now that he's figured out that spurting BS without a big name backing you up doesn't actually pay the bills?
@SuperLupe Nope. PS3 is not dead yet. Even in PS4 era, Sony will continue to support the PS3. When PS3 came out and until now, PS2 sold in ~ 50 mil. units in PS3 era. PS3 is not loser. PS3 had poor start, but is in front of X360 if you watch global sale.
Guys, it's Molyneux, he says a lot of stuff. Most of it is B.S. Remember? Yeah, nothing to see here. Plus, what else would you expect from someone who's never worked for Sony or Nintendo before?
nuclear launch detected. sh*tstorm incoming
I think he's right about how they are taking on more than just Sony and Nintendo and in a sense that might be winning, maybe. As for who had the best console will always be a debate between the fanboys of this site. Long live true gamers.
Does MS even have a line of smartphones or tablets that can compete with these industry leaders? That would be a no. Geee really Mr.Molyneux tell me another one. "About 76 million Xbox 360s had been shipped by the end of March, according to research firm IDC. By contrast Nintendo's Wii had shipped 99.4 million units and the PS3 78 million." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/t...
@superlupe - nice try but you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. The obvious loser this generation was Xbox 360 which at one point had a 10 million console lead over PS3 only to watch that lead go down the drain. Dont worry about last generation, Sony already won last gen too. We're talking about this current gen. Sony went from dominating 2 straight generations, to having a weak start this generation, to having an impressive comeback performance and becoming the 2nd fastest selling console of the entire gen dropping Xbox to 3rd place. Even after a 1 year sales lead and millions of RROD multi sales, Xbox still choked away it's lead this generation. Kudos to 360 for outperforming the failed original Xbox, but it still wasnt enough to beat the PS3. And besides, the original Xboxs 25 million sales wasnt exactly an impressive or unbeatable milestone to begin with. Almost every other successful console going back 30 years, including portables, has outsold the original Xbox. So that excuse is irrelevant.
Well the guy was a former MS employee in all. And he'll be present at the reveal and everything... Plus he did leave on good terms with MS so...
MS obviously did very well, greatly increasing their market share, but I can't see how starting off in first and ending in third translates as an overall win. I'm a PS3 guy, but Nintendo won the generation by outselling their competition with a product that was very cheap to manufacture. Profit trumps market share every time. EDIT - Actually what I should have said at the end there is that Nintendo increased their market share while also making a profit the entire time. That's a win in the business world.
Moly whatever. Xbox brand is still not profitable and still in red. http://www.neowin.net/news/... http://hothardware.com/News...
How if Sony have sold more ps3 consoles? He is such an overrated developer... What is the last good game he made? Anyone?
@SuperLupe Sorry to slap your 'hope' in the face, the guy that was in charge of the 'PS3 business plan' is now CEO of Sony. Tonight and E3 (not to mention the previous PS4 semi-reveal) are going to be our window into the next 10yrs of gaming ooh can anyone feel the excitement!
Didn't PS3 out due the 360 in total global sells early this year?
Then sure, Peter. Microsoft won, just like the Fable games delivered on every promise... /s
is peter talking out of his ass again?
"Molyneux: Microsoft "won" this generation, no longer competing with Sony and Nintendo" In America, Microsoft won this generation (probably will pass the Wii sooner or later if it hasn't already)... World sales it's a different story. I also think Microsoft doesn't really care for other markets beside the 3 biggest (USA, UK, Japan), since they hardly invest in others. They won in USA and UK markets but failed miserably in the Japanese market.
Actually there are only more xboxs in the us and uk because each person on average has had 4 or 5, there are more ps3s active in the world at this moment than xbox.
"Molyneux: Microsoft "won" this generation, no longer competing with Sony and Nintendo" Sure Peter. And Fable the Journey is not on railz...lol As to your point on MS not caring about other markets...that's bunk. Ms wants money and it does not matter where it comes from. Money is money and MS wants it. SWOT analysis says MS needs those other markets to compete with other companies that do well in all markets...
@fermcr - It's no doubt MS did well in winning the US market, but UK is not a market. UK is just a small part of the overall larger European market which Sony is beating Xbox in. Sony is also beating Xbox in the Japanese market meaning PS3 outsold Xbox in 2 out of 3 of biggest global markets.
They won this gen in American? Kind BS logic is that? MS didn't win jack they lost. It's the whole world or nothing.
"if he is right" He's never right. He's just an overrated, untalented idiot who keeps running his mouth on matters he has no idea about. And then he ends up apologizing most of the time after making an ass out of himself.
having a full year of sales against the competition and not being able to surpass it in worldwide sale is "Winning"? really? oh......that's our Molyneux in a nutshell
ill say it again....any sales numbers acquired from people who had to buy a new xbox360 after getting thr red rings of death should be stricken from the record....which was probably everyone who bought one on launch day ....smh. why would this molyneux guy say 360 won when globally it lost.
because unlike the last Fable, Molyneux IS off the rails...
Nooooooo. Life works in the opposite of this man assertions.
I don't want to see a Peter Molyneaux quote without a Nolan Bushnell reference in the article. This is faux outrage. /s
Peter Molyneux - Corporate Troll
Peter Molyneux - Biggest Hype man on this planet Someone tell him to give us Black and White 3!
Even VGChartz is admitting the PS3 has caught up to the 360 and will soon pass it.
The Wii says "hi".
it almost certainly wont be all about the gaming- and I'd wit till after E3 to decide between them if you're going on features/emphasis on gaming... Personally I'm getting the PS4 1st because I prefer sony's exclusives- in the future who knows, all depends on how they market the device...
What annoys me most about Peter Molyneux is not the typical MS garbage he spews but the douchey photos he always takes.
After this catastrophe today by Xbox I think Sony can be certain that the Playstation brand is a winner .
This guy is a joke.
microsoft lost this gen
In your dream .
He says MS are competing with Apple, Google and Samsung rather than Nintendo and Sony which means that it could be more on the entertainment side which means that how could they win. Though i doubt MS would do that but this is a gaming console market not a entertainment market
The gaming console market is becoming more and more of an entertainment market in other sense. There's a lot more crap integration than there used to be. A lot more motion controls. And this is just the beginning stages. Gaming is changing.
hahaha... Right mate. In his dreams... :P
""Its competition is no longer Sony and Nintendo, but rather Apple, Google and Samsung."" "Molyneux would like the next Xbox to put the focus back on videogames." Uh oh.He knows something we all feared.And it looks to be true, i suppose.Cable box app machine is Priority #1 for MS. As far as "winning" i don't see how that is even possible. *3rd in total sales *Least offering of worthwhile games *Already dropped support of 360 in favor of nextbox (only a handful of first party games for the last few years, only one this year and NOTHING announced for future release) Sony and Nintendo have multiple consoles to support, and handhelds, and they still offer more games and support than the company who only had to supply one machine.MS lost badly so far this gen.And make no mistake, this gen doesn't magically end anytime soon.There is no finish line, and i demand support for 360 for years to come.
"Uh oh. He knows something we all feared.And it looks to be true, i suppose.Cable box app machine is Priority #1 for MS." Pretty much...I think we all saw this coming. (Except for the ones closing their eyes, covering their ears, and stomping their feet of course) lol. Though we'll just have to wait and see for the reveal for official confirmation on what their next gen plan will be. But with all the evidence stacking up, only a fool wouldn't see this coming. First it was Microsoft OUT RIGHT SAYING Xbox is a "Family friendly entertainment center", and "NOT a GAMES CONSOLE". http://www.slashgear.com/xb... http://megagames.com/news/m... Then we started seeing rumors ALL OVER the place about them being more "media centered"... http://n4g.com/news/1232337... http://www.theverge.com/201... http://www.youtube.com/watc... Then you have ACTUAL DEVELOPERS SAYING SO... http://www.ign.com/articles... http://www.oxm.co.uk/54324/... Whether you wanna be in denial or not. It's pretty clear-cut people.
Calm it there fanboy
@die_fiend it isn't fanboyism when he speaks the truth and is backed up by actual gaming known people. Such as devs and analysts
@die_friend What can I say??? https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW50... No, seriously though. Nowhere in my comment did I saying anything "BAD" about Microsoft other than stating some facts and sources. lol
Well said. Unfortunately I can see MS buying a lot of 3rd party games at the start of next gen and announcing said games at E3. I say unfortunately, because if history tells us anything it's that MS rely on the core gamer in the beginning to build up the user base. Once it's at a certain level they will gradually drop virtually all core support and focus on the casual customers. That's exactly what they did this gen and I find it very aggravating that people are ignoring it or defending it and making excuses. Why not buy a console where games are guaranteed right through out the generation?
pitchforks at the ready
Good job on quoting, you'll make a fine report/essay writer. /s Here's your quote: "First it was Microsoft OUT RIGHT SAYING Xbox is a "Family friendly entertainment center", and "NOT a GAMES CONSOLE". " Here's the article's quote: " In a recent interview, Ballmer opined that the Xbox 360 isn’t, in fact, a gaming console at all. No, it’s something much more." Now I don't know about you, but I'm not blind. Do you see the difference between the two quotes? Yeah, you should learn to use quotes. Here's a lesson for you, when you're quoting, you MUST keep the spirit of the message. Get schooled. Second point: "Then we started seeing rumors ALL OVER the place about them being more "media centered"... " You need help with emphasis? Here's where the emphasis SHOULD be: Then we started seeing RUMOURS all over the place about them being more "media centered"... and by the way, I'm pretty sure everyone should know that the gaming division does not work on the media stuff. They're hired in the gaming division for a reason.
Peter has a weird definition of winning this generation. that honor belongs to the Wii in total sales as they finished even with Sony imo. when it comes to providing exclusive content to your fanbase they are in 3rd. also when i buy a gaming system i buy it for the games, not to be a cable box. Microsoft if you want my $$$$$ for the new gen you better put your focus back on gaming and offer me some damn variety.
Could winning be defined not necessarily by having had the most console sales, but by a job in market share from the original Xbox. Think about it, Microsoft was late to the party with the original Xbox, and despite the Goliath which is Sony and Nintendo, were able to come on this generation and acquire a pretty decent following..... And doing this despite lack of games you all like to point out. Just asking... cause did anybody really expect Microsoft to be much of a key player.... Sale wise we did not expect them to beat Sony... but given that this is even a discussion speaks volumes.
I see what you are saying, and you are right Microsoft did grow its install base, but the fact that Microsoft unlike Sony and Nintendo has never had more than one console platform on the market at a single time and this will be a first for Microsoft. How will Microsoft's 1st party go, will they concentrate just mainly on the new xbox or will they split their 1st party with a 3rd or 50/50 or what kind of split? they really do care for their platforms and not look at this like Microsoft has done in the past Will Microsoft let the majority of xbox360 support be a port machine with lil to no 1st party effort's to go to the xbox360? we know Sony's and Nintendo's answer to this very Question. That I think is what Microsoft really has to show the install base that the effort's by 1st party will also support the xbox360 legacy platform, sadly with past history I think Microsoft's people in charge may very well no put much if any resources to do that, yes its great you can still gather 3rd party interest into your legacy machine, but are they are going to up and leave the xbox360 devoid of any real 1st party effort when many already see the xbox360's 1st party effort lacking for the system? Something tells me we already know the answer to this. Microsoft has never had more than one platform for the dedicated game console market at one time because their 1st party effort's has always only had to concentrate only on one platform, now with Microsoft having two what will be the support? I hope that Microsoft will put forth more xbox360 support while they support the new machine but if the install base really only looks for the next system from microsoft and decides the xbox360 is obsolete and would rather play on the next xbox, what will happen to the xbox360? that is also a very big Question will the current Microsoft xbox platform install base migrate to really only the newest and best xbox and not really care about the xbox360 any more? Some thing tells me that is a problem with Microsoft's internal data has already concluded. their install bas would rather have a shorter support cycle and really only care about the newest thing for xbox, now not saying everyone, im just saying there are many that will, and i think that dose far and away out number those that do care about legacy systems.
Microsoft had it all in the beginning, but Sony won big time in the long run. Why? Lack of exclusives on Microsoft's end.
It still makes me sad that they made a great company like Rare develop Kinect games =(.
I agree the 360 may be doing well in sales but in terms of the system which I would rather play games? my PS3 wins hands down, sure I'll put the 360 back on for Halo and maybe Gears but thats all I can really say I play it for. I really want MS to change that this generation by making more core exclusive IPs and not just reworking the same brands we've had this generation. Let Rare make a new conker game or a proper Banjo game for crying out loud!
And Nintendo flies through the skies as gods looking down at the humans.
not just exlcusives but an overall focus of variety, Darwins theory proves that variety is good for adaptation and evoloution, while microsoft has kept itself static with little variety companies like Sony And Nintendo (although saying nintendo i would like to see something thats not mario, if you think COD is repetive you haven't heard of mario) Sony has plenty of ip's which alow plenty of flexiblity. Microsft has said that they have 15 exclusives, which does seem like an improvement. Quantic Break seems like a wannabe rival to Quantic Dreams beyond two souls, even their stories are similer (the little girl scene but after that the similarity ends) well although right now iam still PS 4 life ill just have to wait until E3 to see if they going to be interesting or if................
While I think Sony won this gen (Nintendo may have sold the most but they alienated hardcore gamers) MS does deserve credit for tripling their market-share.
Yes, what Microsoft has done IS impressive. But when you really dig into what happened, you'll find they didn't really achieve it ALL on their own per say. It was more off Sony just out right F****** up the entire start of last gen. lol Sony starting last gen... 1. $599 price point (Telling people to get 2 jobs) 2. Released a A WHOLE year late 3. Poop marketing (Baby ad, lol) 4. Complicated hardware, botched ports (Backlash from devs and gamers alike) 5. Not many 1st party exclusive games Sony starting this gen... 1. Sony has confirmed PS4 will be priced competitively. http://www.vg247.com/2013/0... 2. Same release window as Nextbox. 3. Sony fired last crap marketing team, the new one seems pretty effective. http://www.youtube.com/watc... 4. Lol, look at what practically EVERY dev is saying about the PS4. 5. Lol Can't wait to see them going head to head. :D
Very true! Even I am instilling my faith in Sony and have always in the past simply because they are dedicated in augmenting the quality of games we gamers have been playing since the days of PS1. Regardless, I am effusive to see what MS has to offer in tomorrow's event. :D
At the start of this gen: Sony: 120 million install base to work on MS: 25 million install base to work on Look at where they both are now. Nowhere in this universe except for N4G can you consider that is a good performance for Sony. No amount of spin can turn that into a victory for Sony. In fact the fact that being neck to neck with a company that flopped hard last gen is considered great just shows how the mighty have fallen. And have fallen hard indeed.
^ "Sony: 120 million install base to work on MS: 25 million install base to work on" That's just it, look at what happened to the Wii U. Wii sold 99 million. And look how crap Wii U is selling. Being successful LAST generation DEFINITELY doesn't equal an automatic win, or an advantage for next gen bud. Once next gen consoles hit, they literally start from scratch, no matter how successful their predecessors were. Next gen consoles need to build their OWN following. "Nowhere in this universe except for N4G can you consider that is a good performance for Sony. No amount of spin can turn that into a victory for Sony." And nowhere in my comment did I say it was a win for Sony, lol! All I said was Microsoft's so called "victory" more had to do with Sony f***** ups than anything. lol "just shows how the mighty have fallen. And have fallen hard indeed." Agreed, but when you fall to your lowest. You can only go up right??? And who's to say Microsoft won't "Fall" next gen? Hey, it already happened to Nintendo and Sony right??? Anyways, if there's one undeniable fact in all this... It's that Sony's "worst" performance in terms of capturing install base is still better than Microsoft "best". And that REALLY says something about, just how powerful PlayStation really is IMO. I'll like to see how next gen turns out without all the mishaps Sony had at launch with the PS3. :D
That they do, but they definitely need to refocus back on gaming more than just wanted to take over cable like services. that is the only way I'll be supporting the next systems.
Nice try Microsoft, but the crown belongs to Sony.
"Rightfully, Microsoft can claim it won the last console generation." Ummm... no?
Sales say no Games say hell no Molieneux says yes. Classic.