Submitted by legendoflex 920d ago | opinion piece

Wii U is a 'Crap' Product, But That's Not Why It's Struggling

GenGAME writes: "Wii U is a “crap” product... but that isn’t its problem. The problem is that Wii U isn’t focused enough on making the kinds of waves that catch the interest of “crap” customers. Instead, Nintendo is... [acting] as if it’s ashamed of the Wii brand and wants to change its perception among hardcore gamers while somehow at the same expecting it to capture the same audience it did before, and no one’s falling for it." (Just Dance, New Super Mario Bros Wii, New Super Mario Bros. U, Skylanders Giants, Skylanders: Spyro's Adventure, Wii Fii, Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort, Wii U)

Credit url: kotaku.com
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TripC50  +   920d ago
GEO9875  +   920d ago
Blah? Way to contribute to the discussion....
Raccoon  +   920d ago
Blah? Way to contribute to the discussion....?

both of you are great contributors...

ON TOPIC: i love bold and fresh ideas and for that matter nintendo is a company I cant support simply for the fact that they have yet to de-thrown their ever aging mascots/IP's generation after generation, on the other hand sony and microsoft have made new mascots/IP's in every generation and im sure they will create new ones and carry them on to future generations...
ShinMaster  +   919d ago
Wii U needs more major titles that AREN'T already on other systems.
Of course, this may take some time though.
yeahokchief  +   920d ago
My thoughts exactly TripC.


I like Nintendo. I want to see them continue to make games. That is why they must fail now.

Because they aren't making games. They're peddling crap hardware with non-existent games and expecting me to buy it just because.

This after they release advertising that insults me as a core gamer.

Yeah. They're gonna make games or they're gonna fail. Whatever they wanna do.

Personally I kinda hope they keep pushing this whole family focused nonsense some more. I'm already planning on buying a new pc and a Ps4. So if the Wii U goes the route of the dreamcast which is looking more and more like the case every day then i'll probably be able to just pick up a used wiiu or wii uber cheap to play the few games it had and toss it.
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indysurfn  +   920d ago
blah blah blah another EA employee opens foot and inserts mouth! (OH YES I DIDN'T!)

Seriously, since it came from low class conniving business practice EA, it proves that Nintendo has some quality that EA wants to kill. So they can be lazy and not support 3 platforms again. But this time they want to kill it so they can have the sales to all customers. Now I'm really thinking of buying a wiiu for a holiday gift! Thanks EA!
yeahokchief  +   920d ago
EA are douchebags. agreed. but nintendo also needs to learn who the customer is here.
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3-4-5  +   920d ago
So guy from one of the most hated companies is arrogant and people back him?

Why do people like arrogance and bragging ?

I know dumb people like that stuff.
Noicivamina  +   920d ago
The problem is that not enough games, but I hope they stop slacking when "microsoft" and "sony" launch the PS4 and durango/X730/Infinity project and make new games and use their best franchises.
legendoflex  +   920d ago
Well, "not enough games" is why it's not selling to "core Nintendo fans" (who need to be distinguished from "hardcore gamers"). Even without "enough games," it could still have a megaton seller or two if it were targeted correctly.
lilbroRx  +   920d ago
Nintendo fans are the original hardcore gamers. They are people who play games for quality and creativity, not specs and graphics. Those are graphics whores and fanboys, not hardcore gamers.

How much and how often you game determines how much of a gamer you are, not what you do it on.
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Fakdafakinfakerz  +   920d ago
Sorry but the majority of us (the original Nintendo fans) has jumped ship when the PS1 came out (no regrets at all).
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Reguzeeb  +   920d ago

You never really were a fan to begin with if you jumped ship as early as 1994.
rainslacker  +   920d ago
I learned long ago not to care so much about the console. Call me a fan of whatever system you wish, but to me it will always be about the games. All systems have their games that have quality and creativity, and those two aspects of the game are completely independent of specs and graphics.

In the end, my actual console preference comes down to which system offers the most games that I want to play, and Nintendo dropped that ball a long time ago.

Call me a traitor, not hardcore, not a fan, whatever. If Nintendo got their act together and was able to deliver like Sony can on a regular basis with both 1st AND 3rd party, I would possibly change my preference. 1st party alone is not enough to make me praise a system to no end, nor will I be ashamed for having "abandoned" them. To me they abandoned me first because they simply could not get with the times.
Tito08  +   920d ago
@ Reguzeeb- Then tells us what's really a fan. I mean, there were PS fans that moved to Xbox, Sega fans that moved to Playstation. If it's those that encourages Nintendo's mistakes, buying & playing the same old-ass games for the past 25+ years ignoring good 3rd party games, no, these are fanboys. You're clearly a Nintendo fanboy, a fanboy is a total different beast from a fan, a fanboy is a puppet, meaning anything Nintendo does, whether is bad is a blessing, or if it's anything you hate a different company made, but if Nintendo does it, it's a megaton.
AdvanceWarsSgt  +   920d ago
@Tito How in the hell did you interpret that Reguzeeb was a fanboy? Because he likes Nintendo?

And judging by your post, its hilariously ironic that you of all people are calling anyone a fanboy.

The only person who got it right was rainslacker.
Tito08  +   920d ago
@ AdvanceWarsSgt says someone with an username after a Nintendo game. Not saying you are a fanboy though, but I agree that Rainslacker elaborated a better example of what a fan should be like. I'm totally far from being an ignorant hypocrite telling someone they not a fan if they did this & that.

But Reguzeeb saying Fakdafakinfakerz wasn't a Nintendo fan if he jumped ship as early as 1994 sounds a lot like a fanboy to me, he was using an excuse to defend his company of choice, in which I bet it's yours as well judging by your username, that definitely says he was very defensive, it doesn't matter what year Fakda jumped ship, the fact is that he was one of those users that went to another console because their favorite console manufacturer wasn't being very supportive, there were plenty of former Nintendo users that went to Sega, there was a good reason Sega obtained 52% market share with the Genesis around before releasing the Saturn in 1994.

BTW, I'm not calling anyone a fanboy, I'm calling Reguzeeb a fanboy, get the memo.
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ABizzel1  +   920d ago
The Wii U has one of the best line-ups of games for a 6 month old console ever.

New Supe Mario Bros. U
Nintendo Land
Zombi U
Monster Hunter Tri
Batman Arkham City
Assassin's Creed 3
Mass Effect 3
Darksiders 2
Tekken Tag Tournament 2
Dragon Quest X
Injustice: Gods Among Us
Need for Speed Most Wanted

are all on the console now, it's just Nintendo fans aren't buying these games with the exception of NSMB U & Nintendo Land.
yugovega  +   920d ago
I have bought 8 of those games. and sonic racing and ninja gaiden
zeddy  +   920d ago
most of those games are multiplat and theres no major incentive to buy a wii u with the ps4 and new xbox around the corner. EA can be douches at times but im afraid they're right on this occasion.
ABizzel1  +   920d ago

I agree with EA as far as their business is concerned if you're not making money then you need to make a change or else you'll go out of business. I'm talking about the Wii U owners who complain there's nothing to play on the Wii U, ESPECIALLY those who only had a Wii.

Regardless if they're multiplats or not those are still great games, and if you didn't have a PS360 or PC then there are must buy games for Wii U owners, thus making a great line-up.

Compare that line-up to the Wii. First the first year I played Wii Sports, Wii Play (for the free controller), Zelda Twilight Princess (a Gamecube game with Wii controls), Excite Truck, and finally Metroid 3. For a complete 12 months, because there was NOTHING else good to play.

The Wii-U is just 6 months in and it already has 15+ great games, for those who weren't multi-console owners.
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Myst  +   920d ago
I hate to say it but WiiU I don't really see as being something that would be prime for fighting games :/
rainslacker  +   920d ago
The line up is good, even if some are older games. But you can't deny that that 3 month break after launch without a single game launch was hurtful to them, and to those that purchased the system day one. Vague promises, few confirmed release dates, and "please be patient" isn't really helping either.
ABizzel1  +   920d ago
To the 22 disagrees, what was the PS3, 360, Wii, PS2, Xbox, GC, Dreamcast, N64, PS1, SS, SNES, SG, NES launch titles and games for the first half of the launch year.

I seriously want to know. I remember the games from this generation of consoles (PS360Wii) and I remember from last-gen, and none of the consoles from those 2 generation had a 6 month launch that compares to what the Wii U has now.
Ol_G  +   920d ago
You're right i get the feeling for 90% here this is the first time experiencing a gen transition and they don't know how it has always been .
Makes me wonder how old or young they are
vulcanproject  +   920d ago
The lineup would be good for any other console but there is some major flaws pointed out already in the list in this context.

It is the fact that a large amount of them are multiplatform, old multiplatform, and just as good if not better elsewhere on much cheaper machines to buy and own with much larger alternative game catalogues as well.

The incentive has to be made to buy the machine justify its purchase price, platform sellers, and very few of those games are actual big platform sellers either because they aren't particularly amazing, or that they are great but elsewhere for less.

Mass Effect 3 and Batman and AC3, they are huge sellers. But they wouldn't remotely motivate anyone who has a Ps3 or 360 to buy a Wii U. Maybe if they looked way better on Wii U, that would be an extra reason. Most of them just look and play practically the same however.

You have to tempt existing console owners into buying your new machine, with a new generation.

Sony and Microsoft have to do it with their new machines as well. They will get millions of sales on the basis of the hardware alone, the promise and potential they have made this performance leap and you can't get that with old hardware.

Wii U doesn't have that, so it has to work much harder.
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sorry wiiU will only get current gen ports. Next gen game over.
McScroggz  +   920d ago
The problem is other than Injustic: Gods Among Us, which came out not too long ago, most of those multiplatform games have already been purchased by Wii U owners on other consoles. Without the benefit of already established 3rd party games, the Wii U's launch window didn't offer anything special other than Monster Hunter Tri if you're into that.

Not to say the launch was bad, but considering the Wii U's launch lineup was severly front-loaded I'd say it's turned out to be pretty disappointing. Of course, like I always say, it's predicated on whether you own JUST a Wii U or not. If I didn't have a PS3 and just a Wii U it wouldn't be as bad, ya know?
ABizzel1  +   920d ago
"most of those multiplatform games have already been purchased by Wii U owners on other consoles."

You don't know that, there's no way to assume that EVERY Wii owner was a multi-console owner. At the end of the day these are franchises that have not been on a Nintendo console, regardless if it's multiplat or not.
SpideySpeakz  +   920d ago
No one has time to hold Nintendo's hand.
We move on to bigger and better things.
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cleft5  +   920d ago
No EA support? Now who will I buy my substandard ports from.
JoySticksFTW  +   920d ago
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yugovega  +   920d ago
nearly 4 million isn't struggling that bad. if they continue at this rate and say the system stays out as long as the xb360 it would sell 64 million or so. that's about what the xbox sold if im not mistaken. 4 mill in 6 months x8years in case you didn't get the math.
legendoflex  +   920d ago
I think people forget that Wii U STILL has sold more units in the first six months (at least in the Americas) than PS3 did, despite a much, much worse economy and despite a massive monthly drop off after launch.

But they can't "continue at this rate." "At this rate" they'd probably make it to 20 million, not 60 million. Luckily, they're in similar shape to the 3DS in terms of current momentum, and it looks like things will pick up with about the same timing.
yugovega  +   920d ago
holidays bring in sales. even at this rate they will hit over 5 mill by September or so. then the holiday rush will sell a couple million putting them right on track for 8 millon n a year.

edit: @ abizzel1
I was under estimating what he wiiu will sell duringthe holidays. with a 3d Mario, luigi u, Zelda and ssb, mariokart and retros(Metroid) coming soon after I hve a feeling they will be very close to 10 million by dec 31. and price wise isn't a difference. then the economy was much better. the ps3 had the new bluray tech that helped it sell also. wiiu will sell 60 million in it's lifetime. no lower then 50.
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ABizzel1  +   920d ago

$299 & $349 Wii U vs. $499 & $599 PS3.


Technically the year will be up for Wii U before the holiday season finishes. Japan was the last major territory to get the console on December 8th.
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DomceM  +   920d ago
and i think you forget that the two systems launched at astronomically different pricepoints. When you account for inflation you should realize just how much more expensive ps3 was back then than Wii u is now. Makes your comparison irrelevant.

Nintendo made so much money from Wii they got complacent and put out a mediocre product. Honestly, no one is asking PC quality graphics... But what they put out is so extremely underwhelming that anyone who has any tech knowledge knows to stay away. A tablet controller is not enough... People are expecting at least some SIGNIFICANT improvement of graphics over last gen, and Wii u isnt going to deliver that.

They need to put out some decent hardware for once.
yugovega  +   920d ago
graphics doesn't make the games as the wii showed last gen. people buy what is fun and has replay value. Nintendo could have photo realism and people would still hate on it.
brave27heart  +   920d ago
Fair point but the PS3 did have a disasterous launch. I should know I bought one. But I knew they'd come good so I accepted the bad start and the grief that was dished about online.

Nintendo will come good, what they need to realise is they wont be peoples first choice console. Im in the market for one of the new consoles this winter but the Wii U just isnt on my radar. However once the price goes down and there are more games for it I would consider it as a second console.
Ol_G  +   920d ago
I think you need to realise that you only speak for yourself a lot of people are waiting for the mario3d zelda metroid mario kart and smash bros games and for parents Nintendo is still the number one choice
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McScroggz  +   920d ago
The launch between the Wii U and PS3 is apples to oranges. In fact, every launch is unique.

In 2005 the Xbox 360 launched and was a significant upgrade over the previous generation. Nearly a year later, the PS3 launched at a gaudy price of $599 US dollars. It was difficult to develop for, causing multiplatform games to look and run much worse on the console and 1st party games weren't flowing out for a while.

A generation of Nintendo fans played in a weird space between last generation and current generation in more than just graphics. There was little 3rd party support and terrible online. When stories and interviews about the Wii U emerged Nintendo made it clear they wanted to recapture the hardcore market they had abandoned. Those former Nintendo fans got excited. Nintendo was very hush about specs, so we only could speculate.

At the Wii U's launch, with some strong 3rd party support (if not a little late) and unknown specs, early adopters trusted Nintendo's plan to recapture the hardcore audience. However, eventually the specs of the Wii U surfaced only to find it woefully this generation, and for many there was little reason to buy a Wii U once it was shown to be in the same league as current gen consoles they already owned - especially since Nintendo didn't have good 3rd party relationships.

That's why the precipitous drop is so alarming. New, much more powerful consoles are just around the corner and both will have full 3rd party support. Sure, the Wii U sold more in its first 6 months than the PS3 but shouldn't it be selling more than the PS3 does now? There are around 80 million PS3's sold and only 4 million Wii U's, yet the PS3 regularly outsells the Wii U.

That's not to say the Wii U has no chance. But it must have some GREAT games and it MUST have a significant price cut, otherwise it doesn't stand a chance. From the SNES through the Game Cube Nintendo consoles have sold less and less. Clearly the Wii U doesn't have broad casual appeal of the Wii, so let's not just assume a new Mario and Zelda game will make the console sell. Both Super Mario 64 and The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time came out for the N64, which sold only 33 million copies.

So yeah, in my opinion the Wii U's sales can't "continue at this rate."
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ABizzel1  +   920d ago
There's a small problem with that logic. Those number are that high because systems usually sell the most during the holiday and at launch, both of which have just passed for Nintendo. A full year would be a better representation, because summer is about to hit, and that's when systems sell the worst, which NIntendo hasn't had yet.

But even then it's still flawed logic, because software, content, bundles, and price drops all help sell systems, and with time more of that will come.
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legendoflex  +   920d ago
Nah, they don't sell highest at launch. Maybe during the first year, but they usually plateau in the third or fourth year.
ABizzel1  +   920d ago
That's what I meant first year.
chronoforce  +   920d ago
30,000 units a week is struggling and the sales are not close to 4 million units, its more like 3.3-3.5~ and considering over 2.5 million units were sold in the first 2 months in the remaining 4 months only about 1 million units has been sold.
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Qrphe  +   920d ago
I don't know how you worked out your math but 20 million lifetime sales sounds good to you?
Hanso  +   920d ago
but the wii u was released to late this gen.
it wont come close to xbox numbers its not even next gen. Everyone is gonna buy a ps4 or nextbox
im afraid only Nitendo fans will care for wiiu.
Kingthrash360  +   920d ago
lol...title is funny
Yodagamer  +   920d ago
Honestly a lack of ea support never hurt anybody, not even sega they just came back with their own licensed football game and it was so much better than madden, to the point that they had to buy the nfl license from under them down the road. The lack of money and the ps2 are what killed sega. I think wii u and nintendo will do fine with out ea.
SpiralTear  +   920d ago
Why do we need to talk about the same thing that everyone already has been talking about since the tweets came out a day or so ago? Has anything changed since yesterday concerning this?

If not, then why write this article in the first place?
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PopRocks359  +   920d ago
Ask the community members who keep approving articles with the same content as last week's material.
legendoflex  +   920d ago
Please direct me to the article that has the same message as this one. I'd love to read it.
PopRocks359  +   920d ago
The last Wii U article that said the console/company was doomed/dead/crap/etc.? The one before that? There's plenty of them.
josephayal  +   920d ago
WII u Rocks, It is gonna be the best experience the next-gen has to offer
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M-M  +   920d ago
Alright I know you troll a lot around here, but man....
jcnba28  +   920d ago
M-M  +   920d ago
Stealth troll in the title.
Agent_hitman  +   920d ago
I've read a lot of Negative Wii U news lately. And it seems that the company is in bad shape indeed, and Iwata should do something about it or else they will become the next SEGA DC.
mediate-this  +   920d ago
Nintendo will never be the next sega dc, lol what? Nintendo survive during the lackluster 20plus million sales of the game cube the will survive this gen, The first party games sell like hot cakes, I expect Nintendo to sell between 30 to 40 million wii u's, quote me on that.
brave27heart  +   920d ago
Nintendo are so cash rich they could afford two disasterous console cycles and still be in business. Dont forget that they make a profit on every console sold with just one game. They wont be a Sega.
nypifisel  +   920d ago
What Nintendo should do is to fire Iwata, he's horrible for the company. Wii Us single most important problem now is the lack of games - if we are to analyse it for what cards we were dealt. The Wii U should've come out 3 years ago (just as Michael Pachter said lol).
TheSkullkid  +   920d ago
I'm struggling to maintain my restraint from beating this "journalist's" ASS.
mediate-this  +   920d ago
the problem is that there no crazy games out right now. Nintendo will do better when better software comes out.
ylwzx3  +   920d ago
EA is by far the last company that should be saying someone elses stuff is crap. Their fail list is as long as my grocery store shopping receipt from today which is quite long.
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Reguzeeb  +   920d ago
Launches never really are so hot for platforms, the PS3 and 3DS's in particular were abysmal and yet they thrived in the end. The truth is, a console's launch has never really been a reliable forecast into its future. You can try and rationalize it all you want, but the arguments made against the Wii U have been used in the past when previous platforms had a bad launch. It's just that in this point and time voices are more loudly heard than before, whereas 20 years ago, developers and customers couldn't sound off like they can now. Thus it only seems like the Wii U's predicament is a new phenomena.
Codey47  +   920d ago
Looks like Insomniacs Ted Price has been Politely and Slightly vocal about the reason why FUSE isn't making a presence in the WiiU Catalogue

"One of the questions I got a lot of early on was 'why aren’t you developing for the Wii U?' and the answer was simply bandwidth."


Frostbite 2, Insomniacs Game Engine 4
These are current gen engines!

Memory bandwidth of
Wii U = 12.8gb/s (+ edram)
360 = 22.4gb/s (+ edram)
PS3 = 22.6gb/s

I definitely feel Nintendo arrived way too late to the party with this one. By the time the Ninty exclusives arrive... the new next gen consoles will near release, if they stick to their alleged time line.

Poor ninty ....the devs and publishers are dropping like flies.
I wonder how many people will remove their boycott from Ubisoft due to Rayman Legends going multiplatform?
unapersson  +   920d ago
That's not the kind of bandwidth he was talking about. He means Insomniac's bandwidth, i.e. their development throughput. Taking on the Wii U as well would have slowed them down.
Codey47  +   920d ago
Ok my bad.

He should of used the word resources...so idiots like myself can understand.
Reguzeeb  +   920d ago
I'm not so sure... they still have titles like Watch Dogs, Bayonetta 2, and Assassin's Creed 4 coming, and even curried favor with Sega. Insomniac not developing for Nintendo isn't really much of a surprise, they've basically been developing exclusively for Sony. In fact, I'd be rather surprised if they did suddenly start getting cozy with Nintendo.
CaulkSlap  +   920d ago
Well the Wii was a crap product and people are forgetting how abysmal its launch lineup was. Yet it sold like crazy due to a gimmick that really struck with the masses. The Wii U gimmick failed in that regard and has it has no audience except for hold out Nintendo fanboys.

Even with the first party Nintendo games and a major price cut, we're looking at a repeat of Gamecube era sales at best.
Bumpmapping  +   920d ago
Yes it is a crap product can we stop beating the dead horse please.
allgamespc2012  +   920d ago
another wii u sucks article look at that. bought mine at launch have no regrets and will have no regrets. a budget platform for nintendo first party games, thats what its all about
RAFFwaff  +   920d ago
failed high school student games journalism. how is this utter trash ever approved?? he lost me with, "crap customers..." utter drivel.
jcnba28  +   920d ago
Troll article.
Smokingunz  +   920d ago
Like it or not the industry needs nintendo! Yes they made a few mistakes and is still making the same mistakes and are not learning from it.Nintendo is the most innovative in the industry and thats why other companies follow them. Sony, nintendo and xbox has their own audience.I do think the wii u is crap hardware wise but the reason its not selling is because it has no good games! I bet once nintendo comes out with a 3d Mario, a new zelda, mario kart, metroid and their other titles watch how great it starts to sell. People knows that nintendo are the best. Ut refuses to believe it, thats y they say stupd things like Nintendo should just go the way of sega, and for what? People just wishes Nintendo's great games that neither sony or MS can produce be on their favorite systems lol.the reason why sega went third party is because they were damn near broke! Nintendo is far from that, nintendo has enough money for them to make crappy failed system for years before they go broke! If anything sony is the one that may end up being third party because they beenlosing money and is in the red!

All nintendo has to do is be up to times and release equally powerful systems like its competitors like they once use to.with a powerful console, a simple controller and online network, they will have the best of both worlds, 3rd parties can make all games on their system without having to strip down their games and at the same time nintendo can still caterto the casual crap crowed if u want to call them that. So in short, for their next system Nintendo should make a powerful system with a great control and online.
McScroggz  +   920d ago
But that's what we were expecting with the Wii U. That's what Nintendo said they were going for with the Wii U. If that's clearly what Nintendo should have done, why didn't they do it? When will they do it?
Orange Juice  +   920d ago
I have the feeling that most people buy nintendo consoles to play nintendo published games first and foremost. These early third party deals are simply there to give you an option. Once your zeldas and marios and mario karts and mario partys are all released I think nintendo will be pleased. Those are the games that matter to ninty.
Enigma_2099  +   920d ago
Nintendo needs to release a regular controller for it. Somehow I believe that would help. And I of course have all the faith in the world in an article that tries to justify the whole "WiiU is crap" line.
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yugovega  +   920d ago
they did and its called the pro controller. and if you play using the gamepad its a regular controller. same as ps4's touchpad except it does more.
BosSSyndrome  +   919d ago
google the wii u pro controller.
PurpHerbison  +   920d ago
Give the Wii-U some time or just disregard it completely. It took awhile for the PS3 to get where it is at today...
AO1JMM  +   920d ago
Garbage! down voted the site.
Triggytrolls  +   920d ago
I'm a crap customer.. okay.
windblowsagain  +   919d ago
I would prefer Nintendo to just make games, because they do make those cartoony type things well.

Mario and co are good games, but for most gamers that is not enough. I don't want to look at fluffy clouds and princess peach all day, Mario kart is also a good game. As for Japanese type things, they don't interest me on any system.

If Wii u fails hard, Ninty might leave hardware alone, Wii was a lucky console for Ninty because media jumped on it and so did granny gramps, mums and dads.

Wii u isn't like that.
imXify  +   919d ago
I'm asking myself some serious questions about the Wii U's capabilities.... When I play BO2 on it and I can't even play split-screen with a friend because the framerate goes down to a constant 20fps -_-
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