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Backwards Compatibility: Has it Spoiled Us?

Backwards Compatibility is the hot topic of the Next-Gen Scene. Think we're being spoiled by it?

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SpideySpeakz1676d ago

I don't really care for it. I buy next-gen consoles to play next-gen games. If I wanted to play an older game, I'll just download an emulator, or get out my old system.

JoGam1676d ago (Edited 1676d ago )

Truth be told....Backwards Compatibility is over hype and over rated. Its not really that deep. Seriously. Not having it didn't stop MS or Sony from succeeding and it won't. PERIOD!

_QQ_1676d ago (Edited 1676d ago )

Its problematic when systems don't last too long, my ps3 ylod a while ago and i don't want to buy another with ps4 on the way, but i really want play TLOU and Ni No Kuni.

Highlife1676d ago

I agree completely overrated. There aren't any games that I really want to go back and play. Sometimes you might want to bust out the old system to play an old game but when I do I get bored fast. It is just not the same experience it once was with old games. I have too many other things to do than go back and play old games. I can barely keep up with current ones.

darthv721676d ago (Edited 1676d ago )

It represents a convenience that is meant to extend the relevancy of a previous platforms library while development of the next gen games is in process.

If we go back to the Atari 7800 (for example). Not only was it able to play its own selection of games made specifically for it, but its ability to play the 2600 games gave people the bonus of a selection of games they may not have had the chance to play.

i mean yeah they could go out and get a 2600 and the games or just simply buy the games and know they were forward compatible on their 7800. The same idea holds true for the GBA and its ability to play GB/GBC games or the PS2 and it being able to play the PS1 games.

the quality in many cases actually improves when playing an older game on a newer system. Mainly in part to the improved connection to the TV that was not present in the original system.

Like how a PS2 can connect via component and playing a ps1 game is much clearer than playing it on composite or Svideo. With the improved clarity comes a more noticeable imperfections but again...some actually prefer to have as clear an image as can be.

Also, how the BC is achieved can either lead to improvements in the games and how they play or it creates more of a hindrance which results in the ...why bother way of thinking.

I can play PS2 games on my PS3 with HDMI but the PS2 emulation the PS3 offers isnt on the same level as an actual PS2 (mine is the 80gb unit with soft/bc) and i have seen the original 20/60gb units produce better visuals and playability because they used hardware bc internally.

The wii-u and its ability to play wii games better than the wii adds to that convenience to many who may not have gotten the wii initially but they can still enjoy the games for it now on the wii-u. Nintendo has only offered BC since the release of the GBA and then it was with the wii as their first console to offer GC compatibility.

There have been other forms of BC that wasnt as direct. Sega and the power base converter was their way to bridge the gap between the master system and the genesis. Why they stopped there is ??? but it would have been nice if sega cd's played on the saturn or if saturn games were supported on the DC. Another way was more of a cross play type of BC and that was with the colecovision and it being able to play 2600 games via a special cart adapter.

I wont say i am spoiled but BC does offer that convenience to those who dont have the previous system. Many say it can represent an increased cost in the newer platforms but that is dependent on if BC was an initial concern or an afterthought. Afterthoughts tend to be an expense because it isnt factored into the initial design. So it doesnt get the dedication in making sure it works properly.

I like to play all platforms regardless of if they offer BC or not but to those who cant afford to own them all, they are just looking to get as much out of their investment as they can. To them, BC is a welcome feature they wouldnt mind paying a little more for if it can ensure they have access to all the great games from the previous system.

EVILDEAD3601676d ago (Edited 1676d ago )

People keep pretending that BC in 2005 has anything to do with BC in 2013.

Simply put MS shows the ability for BC out of the box and even upgrades on certain games and millions of gamers it'll be a no-brainer for millions of the core to upgrade within the Xbox ecosystem.

This isn't the old Xbox or PS2 days. We are talking millions of gamer who have purchased games over XBLA or PSN that will not be able to transfer those games to the spanking new 400 dollar system.

It's already proven that the core 360 gamers are still going to be playing the last 2 CODs, Halo 4, Minecraft, Gears, Battlefield etc. long after the Fall release date, why should they have to play those games on their 360s.

I'd take the Xbox mini option over rebuying and streaming games later through Gaikai as the suggested Sony PS4 solution at the moment.

If you own a huge collection where you easily past 150 games on the Xbox 360 between retail and XBLA is becomes a priceless option.

On the PS3 side it's crazy that games like Journey will be DOA when the PS4 launches. Not to mention every games earned by PS+. But unfortunately that's what is going to happen.

But we will see very soon what is decided by the big two.

Evil

3-4-51676d ago

uhhhh you realize Xbox 360 DOES HAVE BC right ?

Your aware of that....right?

MysticStrummer1675d ago (Edited 1675d ago )

"It's already proven that the core 360 gamers are still going to be playing the last 2 CODs, Halo 4, Minecraft, Gears, Battlefield etc. long after the Fall release date"

There you have it. News from the future.

Case closed.

@3-4-5 : And it ended up in 3rd place.

Case re-opened.

EVILDEAD3601675d ago (Edited 1675d ago )

'There you have it. News from the future.'

Here's some news from umm a couple of weeks ago

Xbox Live top 20 live activity

In no particular order. ALL games made the top 20 list of games being played on Xbox Live

- Halo 4 & Halo Reach

- Black Ops II, Black Ops, Modern Warfare 3, Modern Warfare 2

- Gears of War Judgement & Gears of War 3

- Battlefield 3

- Grand theft Auto IV

- Minecraft

- Madden 13, Fifa 13, & NBA 2K13
As stated it's been proven what games are being played long after the games are released.

It's safe to say the only games that will bump them out of the top 20 are the newest releases of these game franchises.

The next Call of Duty, Battlefield, the 2014 Sports etc.

News from the future. If announced, BC will be a megaton for the 360.

Case Closed

The 360 was destined to be in 3rd place without sales in Japan, and of course when you add the PS2 sales for the entire last year.

It's a pretty safe bet it'll be the same next gen. Dominant in the US and UK. Competitive in Europe. Dead in Japan. Huge software sales.

Evil

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dedicatedtogamers1676d ago (Edited 1676d ago )

The bigger is this: why aren't modern games interesting enough to make us not WANT backwards compatibility? No one cared about BC until the PS2, and even then it was just a neat PS2 feature. And then when this gen rolls around, everyone acts like any console without BC is going to automatically fail. What?

SoapShoes1676d ago

Yeah it's all just self-entitlement really. People really think something is going to fail with no BC? LOL! It won't matter to all of those people who didn't have a PS3 but want a PS4. It might matter to a few PS3 owners but I doubt most will care as they have a PS3.

I personally only used BC on my PS2 a few times just to test out the smoothing option on old games. After that I never played them again and stuck to PS2 games.

Persistantthug1676d ago (Edited 1676d ago )

Backwards compatibility is more important than ever.

Gaikai may be an acceptable alternative.

Belking1676d ago

"I buy next-gen consoles to play next-gen games"

But there is nothing wrong with having that option. Just don't assume everyone has the last console. BC is important.

AngelicIceDiamond1676d ago (Edited 1676d ago )

I don't care all that much about BC to be honest, but I know allot of people do.

In fact I think it makes up a big part of console sales for a short term at launch.

BC is only important for like a year or so. Sony and MS axed BC after a certain amount of time its proven that its only temporary. Yeah people complained but everyone got over it eventually.

Edit: Its kind weird to buy Watchdogs for the 360 only to play it on your 720? I would just buy the next gen version and get the full experience.

darthv721676d ago

the 360 still supports the xbox games that it intended to. And added some as time went on. with the exception of ones they could not secure the rights to emulate or patch. MGS2 substance is still one that isnt supported and that could be at the request of konami or nvidia.

As for newer games, it depends on if we will start seeing a rash of hybrid games. ones whos development includes the notion of being forward compatible.

so you buy the one copy and it plays like it should on the current platform (360/ps3) but when played through the next gen platform, improvements are unlocked or patched to bridge the gap in making it be an improved version.

That is something i would expect to come for the PS3 because the disc space could be accommodating to both the ps3 and ps4. Bd is a real benefit for both platforms and we could see more games like that as things progress.

The dvd is the limiting factor for the 360 unless the games shipped on multiple discs (yeah that isnt really convenient) where the 1st disc is 360 specific but the 2nd could contain assets to improve the overal look of the game if played/installed to the 720.

We will know more as these two platforms get closer to release.

Anon19741676d ago

Overrated vote for me as well. I thought it was a big deal when I bought my PS3 60GB. In the end, I played exactly one PS2 game on my PS3. When you buy a next gen system, you buy it for next gen games. If not, why wouldn't you just keep the old system? I'm not a guy that goes back and replays games over and over, nor do I have any sort of nostalgia kick, despite having been gaming for 30 years now. What excites me is seeing something new, seeing the evolution of games and taking part in it. For me, playing old games just seems like a step backwards, but I don't knock those who do it. A great game is a great game, and there's no shortage of excellent titles out there.

MysticStrummer1675d ago

Yeah I thought BC was important when I bought my PS2, then again when I bought my PS3. Looking back now, I didn't use the capability at all even though I still have those games.

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GribbleGrunger1676d ago (Edited 1676d ago )

I don't think it's something I wouldn't want but it's certainly something I don't expect.

Jayjayff1676d ago

We're pretty much done here. He's got it.

wishingW3L1676d ago (Edited 1676d ago )

the same argument could be made for the internet, online co-op, HD graphics, etc. BC should be on every system by default unless you want that legacy to be lost... But it's funny that gamers want video games to be art but they don't respect the past.

You will never find a film enthusiast saying that The Godfather(1972), Metropolis(1927) or Citizen Kane(1941) are irrelevant because they are old or because we now have CGI and very pretty (but dumb) movies like Avatar and Transformers. But you will always find a gamer saying that they don't buy a new console to play old games games even though publishers flood us with re-releases of old games (only the popular ones though) at every chance they have. But why? Because there is a market for it. Just think about it and stop being a mindless sheep.

Nevers1676d ago

Man, I'd bubble you multiple times for that comment. Well said, indeed.

HarryMasonHerpderp1676d ago

Yes but when those films came out they were on VHS. We don't expect DVD/Bluray players to play VHS do we?
No the films get updated for the modern systems.
Movie fans have been sold the same movie in so many different formats over the years and people still buy them because they love their movies and want to see it in the best possible way.
It's the same with videogames. Which is why we get HD collections and will probably get the same old games with another update with the next generation of consoles. I'm not saying it's right though since most games can be purchased digitally now and emulated anyway. If the upgrade is worthwhile though then I'll support it. We should get a ton of extra content just like Bluray movies normally contain e.g Bladerunner.

GamingWorldPeace1676d ago (Edited 1676d ago )

Harry, of course we don't expect DVD/Bluray players to play VHS because these formats are incompatible just like we don't expect the Gamecube to play N64 cartridge because they are totally different format. But the Wii works with Gamecube because optical disc can be made to be compatible with each other. Modern systems from the Wii, Xbox 360 and the PS3 uses DVD/Bluray disc so in a format perspective, yes, they can be made compatible with newer generation of hardwares so I am kind of upset that Sony would leave that out of the PS4 as I am planning to sell my PS3 to fund for the PS4 but it would be nice to be able to play my 60 plus PS3 games on the PS4.

HarryMasonHerpderp1676d ago (Edited 1676d ago )

Yes you are right.
I was just playing devils advocate really ;)
I mean personally I'm not too fussed about backwards compatibility but I do get why people want it and expect it. I could say just keep your old consoles and you could do that but really we should expect BC in this day and age.
I'm interested to see what Sony does with Gaikai.

SoapShoes1676d ago (Edited 1676d ago )

Yeah they say that but that's because most people are not game enthusiasts. Lets use your movie example. Most people aren't film enthusiasts and don't care about old movies like the ones you listed and they only watch the biggest, newest movie with their friends. Likewise most people are not game enthusiasts, they are just casual gamers and only buy what's popular and what their friends have. Every form of entertainment has enthusiasts but enthusiasts are those who love everything about that subject which are far less than those who are just fans of it.

People who do care for those movies will go out of their way to watch them and people who do care about old games will go out of their way to play them. I know people who still have their Sega Genesis systems to play old games. Most people today? They wouldn't buy one to play old games because it's not "in". Plus they complain about wanting BC to play old games but not have to hook up so many devices to their TV and/or interchange a device. Anyone who complains about hooking up an old system to play old games is NOT a game enthusiast.

zebramocha1676d ago (Edited 1676d ago )

@wishing Your argument is flawed as what you're talking about is tech base as newer tech comes out it allows things to be done better or efficiently at the expense some time in backwards compatibility.

Tyre1676d ago (Edited 1676d ago )

@wishingW3L I completely agree. Your right on the money! This is the most thruthful and solid argument why BC is always important. People are so short sighted. Thx for saying this. Bubble for you.

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greenpowerz1676d ago (Edited 1676d ago )

I would love to play old last gen favorites with next gen features on a next gen operating system. Old games or new last gen games could be boosted in a number a ways to performance to visuals.

You'd be missing out on this and much more
http://n4g.com/news/1255477...

http://n4g.com/news/1256881...

Having BC insures people don't have to re buy all their games only being able to access them with an "always online" connection. Xbox has a huge hardcore fanbase that spends thousands of dollars on games. People on my friends list have 100 games on average and they spend their time gaming getting achievements at their leisure.

Next gen Smart Glass tech will be very useful on a console that will multi task like a PC. Playing any game then jumping on the internet in game. I'm assuming these blocked articles are showing Some sort of Sub dash menu for one of MSFT's new platforms(possible universal smart glass enabled interface)

Urusernamesucks1676d ago

If ms doesnt pass on the current gamer score to the next gen then BC will be extremly relyable.

Its gonna be alot of fun and nostalgic earning all those achievements again like it was the firts time.

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