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Submitted by ltachiUchiha 445d ago | news

Cliff Bleszinski praises Sony for 'really embracing' indie movement, calls out Microsoft 'nightmare'

by Kyle Prahl

The name Cliffy B doesn't exactly conjure reverent images for PlayStation diehards. After all, the guy is responsible for creating one of Microsoft's biggest franchises--Gears of War--and was an influential figurehead at Epic Games, a studio whose Unreal Engine 3 was notoriously lackluster during PS3's early years.

But now that Cliff Bleszinski has left Epic Games in pursuit of other career avenues, he's free to speak candidly about the industry he's grown alongside for 20 years. In an interview with Engadget, he had some choice words to share about Microsoft's treatment of indie developers and how Sony is doing it better. "I have a very good relationship with Microsoft, but [there are] a lot of TCRs you'd have to go through," he explained. ". . . all the stuff you'd have to go through to get your game on Xbox Live Arcade, or even issue updates on; it was a nightmare." (Cliffy B, PS4, Xbox One)

Credit url: destructoid.com
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TrevorPhillips  +   445d ago | Well said
Gotta love Sony! :)
Abash  +   445d ago | Well said
I love how the PlayStation brand is now being as good to developers as it has been to the gamers all these years. Definitely what the industry needs
TrevorPhillips  +   445d ago
I am truly happy that Sony has taken a big leap this year with their next gen system and made life easier for the developers to create games and all. They've not only made the developers happy, but us too. Thank you Sony for all the changes you guys have brought especially the new features. Hope that made sense haha :)
abzdine  +   445d ago
i always thought Sony was doing everything for gamers, now they're taking things to another level!

I have never been so excited for an E3 in my life!

Greatness Awaits!
aCasualGamer  +   445d ago
I think it's great that this time around, Sony is getting good hype before launch. Remember PS3 and the days of "doom" articles on every gaming website. Really glad Sony is getting the hype and coverage they deserve.

They made some bad choices here and there but they never gave up on PS3 and the gamers, that says alot from a company that took losses for every console sold. It means they don't necessarily think "money money money", they think strategically and they follow the tradition of having a great customer relationship.
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thechosenone  +   445d ago
"Cliff Bleszinski praises Sony"

my reaction to reading the headline
http://i.imgur.com/shHBIP8....
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TechnicianTed  +   445d ago
Sony is the best of all time. No one is as good as Sony. They're so great.

High Five to all the Sony lovers, let's slap each other on the back for a job well done.

When Cliff Bleszinski praises your console, it really means something. I'm not sure what, but it means something!

Go A squad!
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miyamoto  +   445d ago
maybe he remembered when he was starting as a small just a no-name start up game designer and Sony has made it easier for indie game devs at these hard times
TechnicianTed  +   445d ago
@miyamoto

Yeah, you nailed it. He must have got out of his high powered sports car, and remembered when he was struggling, and thought how Sony were the only ones helping out indie devs.

That must be it. You nailed it right there.
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BOLO  +   445d ago
@TechnicianTed

Wow the Xbot troll patrol is strong on this one. Is it Sony's fault they only have gotten POSITIVE press since the PS4 unveiling as opposed to M$FT's "always on" fiasco?
BattleAxe  +   445d ago
Sony only does everything!

Play B3yond
Greatness Awaits
It Only Does Everything
Make Believe
Live In Your World. Play In Ours
PSP Hellz Yeah
This is Living
Long Live Play
The World is in Play

Looks like Cliffy B is "Jumping Out".
Psn800  +   445d ago
By saying that you know you'll get plenty of agree's , agree yeah .
Bigpappy  +   445d ago
Those lazy developers were not welcome on PlayStation 3. But now the PS4 is more like 360 everyone is welcome and Sony deserves all credit for reaching out. The cell was never a problem, it was just that these lazy developers did not know how to code. Now Sony fells sorry for them and decided to dumb down the PS4 to their level. I hope their appreciate how much Sony is doing for them to get their crap games on the great PlayStation brand.
Imalwaysright  +   445d ago
You getting more agrees than disagrees, means that PS fanboys didn't understood what you said. Bring on the crap games from them lazy devs to the PS4!!
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Mustang300C2012  +   445d ago
So where is your game at and please don't hold back on the details that went into making your game since all these developers are lazy. You are doing it better than they are so please enlighten us.
Donnieboi  +   445d ago
Only took him 3 years to notice the obvious (coincidentally while he is out of work...)
Cliffy's been kissing a lot of butt lately. Yeah, what he is saying about Sony is true, but everyone already knows that Indies have been happy with Sony already. It's been 3 years of Sony working with indies, and Cliffy only NOW notices?

So what, he gets brownie points for taking 3 years to finally acknowledge the obvious?

He must still be looking for work. He's been kissing EA's (even claiming microtransactions and day 1 dlc is okay -_-), Nintendo's, Kojima's, and now Sony's butt. Am I missing any other companies?
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Septic  +   445d ago
You say I comment on his articles a lot but you're doing the same thing except recycling the same ill-informed statements as everyone else.

This headline is is misleading and PSU has taken what he said completely out of context but hardly anyone here had the integrity to even recognise that.
nosferatuzodd  +   445d ago
SoldtoChrist
Gotta love Sony

Zodd the immortal said yess we do cant stand greedy microsuck
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Majin-vegeta  +   445d ago
Go Sony!

-"Greatness Awaits"-
Walker  +   445d ago
Here we go ...
RuleofOne343   445d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(7)
NastyLeftHook0  +   445d ago
welcome to the darkside.
AnimeAvenger  +   445d ago
Referring Sony to the side that loses.
Godmars290  +   445d ago
MS does seem to take the quicker, easier and more seductive path.
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MaxXAttaxX  +   445d ago
It's blue again :P
CEOSteveBallmer  +   445d ago
I don't see sony as the darkside. But being in the darkside is cool enough just like how cool darth vader is.
DigitalRaptor  +   445d ago
Expect to see more of these. MS have been very good this gen in opening doors for indies through their XNA tools, but as has been accounted by a number of devs, the experience after these games have been made i.e. promotion, support, updates etc. can be terrible and off-putting. It's why you've seen many developers of MS-exclusive indie games come over to "the darkside" for reasons more than developers wanting to make more money.

Sony, meanwhile, have actually supported small indie ventures and make deals that work out best for both parties i.e. The Pub Fund that exchanges Sony's budget and publicity for a small period of exclusivity for PlayStation.

Also, note that there has been a stir in the development circle that Microsoft's direction is different to Sony's - and we all know Sony's direction with PS4, Vita, PS3 and mobile. http://www.destructoid.com/...
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hazardman  +   445d ago
I can't wait til the 21st to see what MS has in store for indie devs. I know it was a nightmare before but I'm on a wait and see for the time being. As for PS4, kudos for Sony embracing all developers. Not to mention them funding indie games for PSN+ which should have some awesome titles.
Jek_Porkins  +   445d ago
Well if it's true that Windows 8 is going to be part of the next Xbox, Indie's might be able to self publish for the small fee that is required on Windows 8 PC, which is like $60 I believe? Anyway, if rumors are anything to go on, Microsoft will have a more open service that is more inviting to indie's, Free To Play and hopefully MMORPG's, that was one thing that was missing in my opinion.

Hopefully we'll see some of those things come together on all of the next gen platforms.
TheOneEyedHound  +   445d ago
So you are saying it's possible to play Runescape on the x720?
Jek_Porkins  +   445d ago
@TheOneEyedHound
Actually Jagex said they'd be open to bringing Runescape to consoles, but they want cross play between Xbox Live and PlayStation Network, which will probably never happen.

I more meant games like the new rumored MMORPG from Lionhead Studios, which could be a Fable MMO, or the game Class4 by Undead Labs that was supposed to be one of the first MMORPG's on the Xbox 360, but looks like it was switched to the next Xbox.

Would be nice to get like the Skyrim MMO on next gen consoles as well.
yesmynameissumo  +   445d ago
Notch refuses to certify MineCraft for Windows 8 for a reason. The philosophy regarding indie and MS interaction is already established. More and more indies are showing up on PSN and they're great games. Microsoft HAD the opportunity with the Windows 8 certification process, to tweak the XBLA process as well, and chose not to. We'll know more on the 21st, but I don't see them making it any easier, consider how they've treated indies thus far.
adorie  +   445d ago
@Jek_Porkins

Imagine for a moment, that MS and Sony approves of console cross play. The fanboy wars would be taken to another level. IN the game. I want to see this happen at some point. It would be so epic, the heads on mt. rushmore would cry.
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DigitalRaptor  +   445d ago
I like your optimism and I hope it's true. I hope for an industry-wide approach that is good to developers and offers something that is fair to all parties.

I hope Microsoft embraces the Free-to-play model. Although it won't be truly F2P, it's something that has worked on certain platforms before and works well.
stage88   445d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(3)
TheOneEyedHound  +   445d ago
I'll be buying more pixeL junk please.
Why o why  +   445d ago
Monsters is still my favourite pj game.
ceballos77mx  +   445d ago
I still think he's a douche.
ltachiUchiha  +   445d ago
He definitely is an arrogant bastard but he definitely not afraid to speak his mind no matter who he is talking about.
nix  +   445d ago
well... finally a comment we all agree to. q:
Th3 Chr0nic  +   445d ago
Bleszinski and irrelevant........ 2 words with the same meaning
Kran  +   444d ago
Oh good. There is still hope :)

Here I thought everybody would end up liking him again because he's come over to the good side.

I like the way Sony does things, but I still think Cliff can be a bit of a douche :/

He blocked me on twitter because he didn't like what I had to say about him years ago lol This was when he was complaining about Sony and PS3 players.

AND NOW LOOK.
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Rupee  +   445d ago
This is probably my biggest reason for getting the PS4. Of course, that could change depending on what MS unveils for the 'nextbox'.
ltachiUchiha  +   445d ago
10 more days and we will see the truth.
DivineAssault  +   445d ago
Everyone is praising sonys move with the PS4.. The games should end up great on it since they did everything they could to make development easier for all devs..
jeffgoldwin  +   445d ago
Yes because they copied the xbox cpu (and pc's) hardware x86, which is a good thing for us gamers, but you do gotta give credit where credit is due.
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MaxXAttaxX  +   445d ago
The hardware itself ins't responsible for Sony taking the initiative to embrace indie devs. Cliffy just talked about the TCR nightmare with 360 despite its hardware.
Sony owes this to no one.
GloriousBagel  +   445d ago
@jeffgoldwin Lol do you know what you're saying?
The x86 chipset has been around for a long time, long before Microsoft decided to slap it on the xbox. It's in most computer out there haha
hellvaguy  +   445d ago
Wouldn't that be why Jeff said the "and pc's" portion. Guess the fanboy filter missed that portion.

I do agree that its good for pricing and gamers that ps4 is using the x86 chip. You know ms is gunna copy and use Blu-ray. Hey if it's a good innovation, I say go ahead and integrate it.
rainslacker  +   445d ago
LOL. Wow.
You know that MS didn't design the x86 architecture, or even really have a hand in creating it? It was developed by Intel. The original windows 1.0 was designed to run on the 8086(the first x86 chip) and 8088 CPU. In fact the x86 project started in 1976...a full 6 years before MS released the first windows. MS did support the chips through MS-DOS however, but DOS had several competitors back in the day. X86 PC's are by far the most commonly used CPU today due to their compatibility. So yeah, Sony copied.
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hellvaguy  +   445d ago
@rainslacker

He didn't say ms "made" or invented x86, that was pretty obvious. But they were the first console to use that off the self pc cpu.

Heck even Intel, doesn't actually make most of their stuff (neither does ms and sony). Everything is actually made in China and other 3rd world countries with cheap labor.

Anyways, why so defensive? Sony is copying ms by using the x86, just like MS will be copying by using Blu-ray. They all do it, which is a good thing for us.
DivineAssault  +   445d ago
All console makers copy each other using whats best to evolve.. If they didnt, we wouldnt have such great machines (or getting any great new 1s)..

BTW what does xbox have to do with this discussion any damn way?? You xbox fans are so defensive about PS4.. Why is that? Scared?
rainslacker  +   445d ago
I never said that Intel made their stuff, just designed it. Other companies such as AMD also had a hand in getting x86 architecture to where it is today. I'm sure none of those companies have their cheap labor designing the actual chip, so not sure why you brought that up.

Also, pretty sure the 360's Xenon processor is a PowerPC RISC CPU. I've yet to see anyone proclaim that MS copied a couple prior gens worth of consoles for them doing so.

If your speaking of the original xbox then MS just used off the shelf components, slightly modified, to make a psuedo-PC to work with. Sony, and if rumors are to be believed, MS, are not going with this approach next gen. They are using highly customized x86 chips which are not currently available on the open market, hence, not "off the shelf". It's not specifically designed for consoles for mass market however.

The reason I get "defensive" is because no one here is copying design philosophies. These types of architectures are bigger than consoles, and for the most part it is working off current trends in the market, which is more cores within an APU and a high speed bus to support it. Something that's been around in mobile for years. There are just certain trends that manufacturers have to adhere to to maintain a level playing field based on what they want to spend vs make. This has been true since the very first console. On a side note, the 360S did integrate the CPU and GPU, along with the memory if memory serves.

It's also worth pointing out, that game developers are pretty well versed in the use of RISC based architectures, as it's been around in consoles for quite some time. It was the unique structure of the Cell which gave a lot of them pause. RISC does have several benefits over CISC for gaming, but I won't spell them out here. However, given current tech, x86 isn't a slouch.

Good for gamers? Probably, as it means less time for devs in optimizing games for a particular system, which in theory can lead to more uniformity among multi-plats. Whether that happens in practice remains to be seen.
yesmynameissumo  +   445d ago
I'm looking forward to devs not complaining about difficult it is to develop for a Sony console. Here's an x86 playground, make history.
SpinalRemains  +   445d ago
Microsoft does the exact same thing with WP. I love WP over Android and iOS actually, but they make life difficult for all those involved in the process of bringing the user the latest.

They do need a personell overhaul. The way they do things is radically wrong.
GraveLord  +   445d ago
Microsoft better buy those timed-exclusive N4G articles. Pro-Sony articles are making the next Xbox look bad.
Fez  +   445d ago
How come witwicky343's comment was marked for trolling? When Cliffy makes an anti-Sony statement, whether factual or not, about 50% of the comments absolutely rip it into him a la witwicky... often worse, and there's no repercussions in those cases.

Just interesting to note.
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chrispseuphoria  +   445d ago
I hope Cliffy goes back to game development soon.
Fergusonxplainsall  +   445d ago
I hope so too bro, he is a really smart and funny dude. Seems he speaks more of his mind since leaving EPIC making him more of a gamer like us. All these signs point to him making himself a better person and developer.

I can't wait to see what he comes up with next or if he helps make a Resident Evil REBOOT..lol Call him Capcom!

Good times ahead.
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CaptainSheep  +   445d ago
Good to hear from someone like Cliffy. I still don't like him very much. :P
Sony. <3
Let's see what MS does to TRY to beat Sony. B)
YodaCracker  +   445d ago
5/11/2013 - The day everyone on N4G suddenly stopped hating Cliffy B.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   445d ago
And the day you started hating him.
sdozzo  +   445d ago
Less talk. More games.
Crazay  +   445d ago
***yawn*** is Clifford still running his big mouth? Right. Come back and give us commentary on the industry when you find a job.
Max-Zorin  +   445d ago
I came here to laugh at the comments. And Sony and MS fanboys need to meet up and fight already.
4lc4pon3  +   445d ago
M$ fanboys would lose cause were smarter. We already made the smarter choice by choosing PS3 and now PS4 where as M$ fanboys well are " " and chose M$
Th3 Chr0nic  +   445d ago
they have and it got them in trouble. lookup "Bum Fights"
madpuppy  +   445d ago
You are so evil, not only are you the owner of a multinational corporation (of evil), your evil flows out in something as small as forum wars.

I really think MI6 needs to get their best man on taking your empire down....
Picnic  +   445d ago
Years of Bore- I might play his games sometime.
jonnyvito  +   445d ago
Get in there Sony!
SOULJER  +   445d ago
OOHHHHH. SHIT. Cliffy B Microsoft number 1 cheer leader is praising SONY PS4. How the tables have turned. Amazing.
ReubenPatrick  +   445d ago
SONY! SONY! SONY!
GREATNESS AWAITS!
Let's hope MS would get their act together so we gamers would get a WIN-WIN situation.
Soldierone  +   445d ago
It's a common sense move to be honest. Look at how many indie titles have gone on to be huge or indie studios that have gone on to sell for millions.

Might as well tap into that and have them work through you....

Let alone it adds a massive library of games to your fans libraries.
MuhammadJA  +   445d ago
this site used to hate cliffy, but now he said something positive about Sony, all's forgiven? Hypocrisy!
Hicken  +   445d ago
Who's forgiven what? Him being right doesn't mean he hasn't been a dick.

I don't see anybody suddenly starting to love Cliffy. I see a lot of "Oh, shit. If even Cliffy is saying good things, Sony's GOT to be doing something right with the PS4!"

Yet somehow, you and others are reading, "Oh, shit. Cliffy's saying goo things about the PS4. He's suddenly awesome!"

... how are you getting that confused?
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MikeMyers  +   444d ago
Let's be honest here, he's criticized the Move controller and Sony fans attacked him. What we see time and time again on N4G is some people just can't handle criticism maturely and it starts to become personal. That's what happens when people get way too attached to their game systems.
Tatsuya  +   445d ago
Greatness Awaits for Sony!
Cliffy is praising Sony? Ohh boy, this gotta mean something.
MikeyDucati1  +   445d ago
Clifford's mouth has been busy lately.
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