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How 4K Resolution Gaming Looks – Is It Really Worth It?

"With the advent of next gen consoles i.e. the PlayStation 4 and the next Xbox, one term that has gained a lot of traction in the last few months is 4K gaming. Sony have earlier spoken about 4K gaming and while it won’t be hitting the PlayStation 4 at launch, it is in the pipeline for a few years later."

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DA_SHREDDER1142d ago

hell no. just make good games, let the devs get good with graphics over time. It's a waste of resources to start making games at 4000k when most devs cant even make a decent game in 720p.

JDW1142d ago

Can't remember the last time I played a game at anything less than 1080p 60 fps.

minimur121142d ago

im still using scart on my TV.......... (no joke)

jsslifelike1142d ago

4000k resolution?? Holy GAWD

Kennytaur1142d ago

So, did you miss out on everything before the naughties? And all the great console-only games ever? Some gamer you are.

Zhipp1141d ago

Your PC must be beast. I can tell that you're very proud.

RankFTW1141d ago

Pfft 1080p JDW? Real men play at 1440p.

loulou1141d ago

4k will probably be the gen after. then oleds and other tvs will be cheap enough to become the norm.

at the moment, it is too high cost, and not enough to justify the outlay.

besides, is there any broadcasters that actually broadcast in 1080p? coz in europe it is still mostly 720p 1080i.

another 5 years perhaps.

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GamerSciz1142d ago

Not only that but 4k TVs are still on the up and coming and are quite expensive. I look at it as similar to 3D in that it had a niche group but never really took off. Don't force it upon us though.

RIP_Cell1142d ago

here's 50 inch 4K TV for $1500, sure still not cheap, but not crazy expensive

http://www.popularmechanics...

LAWSON721142d ago (Edited 1142d ago )

This is not like 3d at all. 3d is just one of those things you love or hate. 4k is will be the standard in the future because it will get cheaper and it is a big improvement and over 1080p.

gamegenieny1142d ago

@RIP_Cell

That tv is good for movies @24p. But the tv doesn't support games well. Was reviewed on techfeed and was shown to only support up to 30fps i believe for anything running on it (or upscaled to 4k dont remember which)

kayoss1142d ago

Thats what i heard when 1080p first came out. Everyone was saying, "im happy with my standard tv." looked what happened?

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Blackdeath_6631142d ago

couldn't agree more at this statement " It's a waste of resources to start making games at 4000k when most devs cant even make a decent game in 720p. " i think 1080p and 60 fps minimum should be the standard next gen its really absurd that consoles still haven't managed that effectively that is partly due to the current gen dragging on so long. i think the gen after the ps4 and next box is when we can begin to consider it. it will be interesting if 4k gaming does well on pc though

Muerte24941142d ago (Edited 1142d ago )

because the engine the game was built for was only 720p natively. It's like taking a running a 720p tv show on a 4k tv. All people are doing is just upscaling the image. So unless the engine the game is running in is 4k, all these things aren't comparable.

PC heads like to boast about how there PC's are running games at all these resolutions. It's just like running a standard definition image on a 1080p TV. You're just stretching the image. You're not adding the more pixels.

Pandamobile1142d ago (Edited 1142d ago )

Are you daft? Are you seriously implying that when I play a PC game at 1080p on my 1080p monitor that I'm actually playing at 720p upscaled to 1080p?

Irishguy951142d ago

PC's aren't consoles...even Youtube can show you 1080p is a quality leap between 720p.(even though you can't see how big the improvement really is)

Drekken1142d ago

I don't comment much anymore... but:

" It's just like running a standard definition image on a 1080p TV. You're just stretching the image. You're not adding the more pixels. "

Seriously man... Do a little research before you open your mouth.

ssj271142d ago (Edited 1142d ago )

I don't believe you, got any prof?
I think you mean, current gen games pixels are not even full native 1080p and all PC does is upscale it to 1080p but not natively?
You may be right.. but clearly those upscale techniques are way more advanced than the ones the PS3 or tv uses.

For the PC gamers yes 4k is needed.. I mean only 0.69 of them can afford to get 21inch 4k monitor. And there is no games on todays PC running 4k jet.. but by the time %5 of them can afford a 4kmonitor they have create a new ability that only them have to be able to see the difference on a 21inch .. yes sadly I can't see the differenceand 99.99can't but they can and is needed.

Well in the mean time know that full 1080p will become the standard, 1080p looks bad for the PC gamers because they are gaming on 1200p 21inch monitor and only they can tell the difference between those few pixels in such a small screen .. I actually read some can even tell the difference in a small cellphone screen, this guys are advancing faster, human evolution is happening in front of our eyes.. we start as fish and know we are evolving into been able to see such a pixels difference .. well to be fair this 0.01% I'm not that amazing :(

I guess I will have to wait untill PS5 and I will have to buy a 55+inch ultra 4ktv to be able to tell the difference since I'm just a mortal and non evolving mortal ;(

kupomogli1142d ago

@Muerte and ssj27

Here's two videos of Diablo 2. One showing 800x600 full screen/stretched resolution, the other showing 1920x1080.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

If you own a PS3 you can see there's a major difference between 720p and 1080p as well. Just by switching your resolution on your system. Go to your video settings, uncheck everything but 720p. It'll switch the resolution. Then switch it back to everything checked, including 1080p. See the difference?

Muerte24941142d ago (Edited 1142d ago )

@ Panadamobile, look at Gran Turismo 5. The reason it's on such a big disk is because there are two different games. There is the 720p version with no screen tearing and 1080p with slight screen tearing. I'm referring the the 4k resolution, Eyefinity resolution, and 2560 x 1600. You aren't understanding the difference between upscale resolution and native resolution.

@Irishguy95,

If the source of the material is natively 1080p then why wouldn't it work?

@ssj27,

Thank you, you phrased it a whole lot better than I did. But yes, that what i was trying to say. You're not increasing the game pixels (suddenly start rendering more pixels) when you set your resolutions above 1080p. You're just upscaling the image.

@ kupomogli,

we're talking about the 1400x 1200, 2560 x 1600, and pretty much all resolutions above 1080p. Video is completely different from rendering games. The resolution of the SDK runtime environment is what i'm referring to.

turnerdc1142d ago (Edited 1142d ago )

@Muerte2494

GT5 doesn't run at 1080p (1920x1080p) but instead only runs at 1280x1080...

"The game still renders at native 720p with 4x multi-sampling anti-aliasing (MSAA) when your XMB is set to 720p mode, while the resolution shifts to 1280x1080 with 2x quincunx (QAA) when the 1080p mode is engaged. So we're not seeing anything like native 1080p resolution here..."

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Muerte24941142d ago (Edited 1142d ago )

you should finish the entire quote.

"1280x1080 with 2x quincunx (QAA) when the 1080p mode is engaged. So we're not seeing anything like native 1080p resolution here, but you are getting a 50 per cent increase in the number of pixels rendered."

It's not FULL HD but it is 1080p. FULL HD is 1920 x 1080p. But the number of horizontal lines running along the "Y" axis are indeed 1080.

compared to the 720p version there are 50% more pixels being rendered.

Pandamobile1142d ago

Muerte, are you trolling or do you actually believe the asinine stuff you're saying?

turnerdc1140d ago (Edited 1140d ago )

Muerte, 1080p implies a resolution of 1920x1080p just like 720p implies a resolution of 1280x720p. Yes, 1280x1080p is an HD resolution...just like 1280x720p is an HD resolution. Is 1280x1080p the industry standard 1080p...heck no. Even my original quote stated that the resolution GT5 runs at is NOT 1080p. Sounds like you're grasping at straws. It's a nice increase from 720p but it's still missing almost 700,000 pixels. If you want to say GT5 runs at 1280x1080p then that's completely right but to state it runs at 1080p is wrong.

"1080p represents 1,920 pixels displayed across a screen horizontally and 1,080 pixels down a screen vertically."

http://hometheater.about.co...

"Refers to the 1920x1080 "progressive scan" HDTV format."

http://www.pcmag.com/encycl...

"A display mode for HDTV's, with a resolution of 1920x1080."

http://geekdictionary.compu...

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Lior1142d ago

It doesn't matter the new consoles won't even be able to do 4k output whilst playing a game, pc gaming in 4k for need for speed 2012 and games like crysis 3 need 3 titans to run at a playable 30fps

FlyingFoxy1142d ago (Edited 1142d ago )

3 titans for 30fps at 4k resolution? rofl, that's pathetic to need 3 cards that expensive to be able to pull just 30fps at that resolution and not even a constant 60!.

1080P & high end graphics cards for me, speed first and sharpness second, its just not worth the sacrifice to go higher.

Thinking about it now, it's not even sharper because it's split across 3 monitors.. it's purely for the extra viewing space & experience. Purely a waste IMO.

Pandamobile1142d ago

BF3 on full settings runs at ~30 FPS at 4K on a single GTX 680.

SonyPS41142d ago

4K is overkill, especially when you will have a insignificant amount of people owning 4KTVs for many years to come. Don't waste thousands of dollars on developing nothing important in your game kthx.

greenlantern28141142d ago

4k is going to be huge in about 2 or 3 years. right now it coast to much. but much like when hd first came out it will grow and take over than it will matter. for now just set that on the back burner

LKHGFDSA1141d ago (Edited 1141d ago )

There actually is a 50" 4K TV on the market for $1500, already.
Sure they're not wide spread, but they're already available.
Considering we'll be using PS4s for the next 10 years, I still think it'd be better if it supported 4K res games.
Edit: I saw another guy said the thing about the 1.5K 4K TV. Woops.

LKHGFDSA1142d ago

wtf, surely it would hardware restrictions that would or would not enable 4K resolutions. not software.
Devs wouldn't have to make their games any different than they normally would.
There would be additional resources primarily for the 4K res.

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GiantFriendlyCrab1142d ago

4k indie games is really welcome though

SoapShoes1142d ago

I'm sure Gran Turismo 7 will be able to pull off 4k. I mean it was the only PS2 game to pull off 1080i and only PS3 game to do 1080p and 60fps.

DoesUs1142d ago

There are a number more than GT5...Wipeout HD for example.

SoapShoes1141d ago

Yeah I don't know what I was thinking when I said that but a number more? I'm fairly sure there are only a few that achieve that not a lot more.

Lulz_Boat1142d ago

it was the 2004/2005 when i heard the SAMETHING for the HD Ready and Full HD resolution

1) hell no!
2) super expensive blahblah!
3) not required!
4) useless!
5) other bad things

this is the technology, 4k will be a standard, maybe in 2 years, but it will be.

claudionmc1142d ago

2004 - 2005, OBVIOUSLY NO! it is like 2013-2014... the difference is that now the hardware is growing much faster than before.

PS4 and nextbox will last 4 years... no 4k needed

Sharingan_no_Kakashi1142d ago

No. It's not necessary on pc's because the screens are too small for there to be a meaningful difference. And it's not necessary on consoles because 4k tvs aren't mass market yet. So no.

Elite_7371142d ago

They said the same thing when it came to Apple's Retina display, and the 1080p phones that are just coming out. But, you can clearly tell the improvement.

The fact that games need anti-aliasing is proof enough that we need 4k (or at least 2k). Even on my 21.5inch 1080p monitor, the pixels are big enough that I can clearly see the jagged edges of them, which requires AA to smooth them out. If we had 4k, the pixels would be so small that the jaggies wouldn't even be noticeable to the human eye.

hesido1142d ago

Would you not rather use all those valuable computing power for better and more complex rendering techniques, instead of trying to fill all those pixels using current rendering methods? Why not use AA? It's a very practical method of removing edges. Why use a brute approach to remove jaggies?

Would you be worried if your games looked as beautiful as a 1080p movie? First lets get that sorted out, and then move to 4K, shall we?

Elite_7371142d ago

@Hesido

I'm speaking from a PC perspective, not a console one. Developers can make games look as good as they want as far as texturing, shaders, shadowing, etc. I'll be able to enable 4k resolutions if I have a 4k monitor. It's up to me to have the power to run it maxed out, the developers have nothing to worry about.

I understand where you're coming from though, from a console perspective. I really don't think developers should sacrifice 720p/1080p with good graphics for 4k with bad graphics.

Mr Tretton1142d ago

A lot of PC users use big TVs as monitors. Many PC users are looking forward to 4K.

Anyway, the PS4 is too underpowered for 4K. It's like a dated PC from a few years ago. And powerful PCs now can't output 4K successfully on modern games. BF4 will be 720p on PS4. That's not a good sign.

Love Playstation, but glad I love PC too.

Pandamobile1142d ago

You've got the wrong idea there's Legends. You're going to see a more noticeable difference in pixel density if you're close to your screen (PC gamers). Most console gamers can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p because they're so far away from their TVs.

inFAMOUS_KRATOS1142d ago

i dont see any point in this stuff, really tho isn't hd enough? is all gimick..k will never standup just like 3d won't ever be standard in all tv.