It's been almost six months... hey do you remember the Wii U was released?
more doom and gloom. us wiiu owners are loving the system. and as far as a price cut? it doesn't need one. you get a lot for the money and 300 isn't high at all for a next gen system. no one sees the ps4 or nextbox releasing anywhere close to that price. it's the same price as a vita is. and all the complaints about no Mario is stupid. if they had the new Mario was out these same sites would be screaming rehash! rehash! rehash!
It's like the 3DS all over again, and now look at it, it's selling big time.
you are incredibly delusional if you think that the wii u has any of the same market appeal as the 3DS. nintendo's position in the console market is not comparable to their position in handheld market. the gamecube sold a little over 20 million units while the gameboy advance, at the same time, sold 90 million.
@arbitor and the virtual boy sold badly and far worse than the gamecube so I can't see how you can say the Nintendo only has mass market appeal with handhelds. It doesn't matter what you think of a console the reality is that consoles only have mass market appeal at certain price points, the wii proved that as have every console ever released when they have reached sub £150.
The virtual boy..
Doom & Gloom writers are the least intelligent of the "journalists". They aren't open minded and well they just spew whatever is popular to say so they can get hits. They've been saying this about Nintendo since the N64.....probably even before. Think of the 20 best Nintendo games ever made. There are "writers" out there who consider those games Not Good or Bad, or they " don't get them" or whatever else it is. You should have to qualify yearly, to gain a license to even write about video games.
Soo whats the problem then, if you get so much for the money?
the problem without a doubt is marketing. Nintendo only markets at Christmas. they decide it's the parents that make them the money and they buy around holidays. and as far as delayed games? 2. that's all that's been delayed. one is rayman which we got the challenge app that will be the games only selling point anyway for free until September, and the second is pikmin. and pikmin isn't a system seller. it's not like they delayed smash bros or Mario kart. they give most their love to 3ds because it's quicker to make games for it. you don't get the same value with Mario 3d as you do galaxy.
"the problem without a doubt is marketing." Not at all, the problem is a lack of games.
There's no denying that the WiiU is in a precarious position. I bought mine at launch, really enjoyed it, then unhooked it to take to a friend's place and subsequently left it sit... until a few days ago. I finished the latter half of ZombiU and forgot HOW MUCH I LOVED A SECOND SCREEN. Splitting your concentration between them in addition to deliberate gameplay(a la Dark Souls) gives me hope for Nintendo's hardware. Actually, I DON'T WANT a lot of the third-party multiplats because there's no developer in their right mind that would(or should) really leverage the platform when it's easier to have vanilla parity between all systems. Give me indie/episodic games that really make the WiiU shine. And, if you're bitching about having nothing to play on WiiU, try Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate. I had over 500 hours on Tri and loved every minute of it. It'll last until the big N franchises land.
As a WiiU owner, I'm really not loving the system. Multiple delays of titles promised for the "launch window", expensive hardware relatively (I got mine in a HMV flash sale thankfully) & terrible, dated OS. I think it's gonna have great, original titles over it's lifetime: but recommend getting it at the end of the generation. Nintendo gives all it's love to the 3DS.
@gammajooki I know! I'm enjoying my Wii U personally. I'm playing my Wii U games more then my PS3 games right now.
just in case people dont know the numbers, here they are 2013 (rounding to the nearest thousand) week 1 -- 126K week 2 -- 49K week 3 -- 38K week 4 -- 34K week 5 -- 37K week 6 -- 37K week 7 -- 39K week 8 -- 36K week 9 -- 30K week 10 -- 29K week 11 -- 29K week 12 -- 55K week 13 -- 66K week 14 -- 45K week 15 -- 34K week 16 -- 33K week 17 -- 31K
I'm pretty sure there was only 1 month where the Wii U sold below 50k.
With a price cut that number would definitely go up ;)
hey arbitor, ever heard of the Ketchup Console? https://www.youtube.com/wat...
The only games the Nintendo fans wants are Mario and Zelda. Better if Nintendo will call the next console something like "Wii Mario" or "Wii Link" since Nintendo really need that guys to see more sales.
No, those are the only games that Nintendo bashers want them to want as Nintendo fans know that Mario and Zelda are only character that appear in game, not games themselves... The actual games with those characters are different the majority of the time. What people who game on Nintendo consoles want are good games that are creative and original. Nintendo fans want things like Xenoblade, The Last Story, Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101, and so on. I've bought nearly every Nintendo console, but I never buy the Mario themed games and rarely any Zelda. Not that there are a quarter as many on the consoles as people who try to say that all Nintendo can sell claim to begin with. Last I checked, only 1 of the 3 top selling games on the Wii had Mario in the title and it was a racing game.
I agree with you, but there is a large crowd of people who are not like you and really, they buy the new Nintendo console only for 2/3 games (Mario related) and probably Nintendo need those gamers ... Btw I always hope a new console will sold well .. but we need to face the Wii U have a not so good srart and the future don't look so bright (now)
If Nintendo was as worried as people on this site would make us believe they are then why aren't they releasing a half finished mario 3d, Pikmin, Link as you called it, and any other 1st party IP. To be honest them not releasing there games is giving 3rd parties a chance to release something and not be overshadowed by Nintendo. There are a lot of people on here who are bragging about getting the new system and they just recently bought the systems after price drops. If people think Sony and Microsoft are releasing systems with what they have inside for lower than the Wii U they have lost their damn minds. Sony can not afford to lose money this generation and lets not think they can.
Inb4 they say that PS3 was doomed, but didn't happen.
Is six months a slow death now? I think the Wii U needs games, if they come out with their killer apps and it still doesn't sell, maybe we can talk about this in a couple of years. Nintendo clearly wasn't ready for launch, they pushed back a lot of their games and the features promised weren't ready at the launch. The Wii U is a quality system though, and I believe we might see similar sales patterns for the next Xbox and PlayStation, great at first while the core gamer's buy them, then a slower burn. Mark my words, people that bash the Wii U for a slow start, Karma is legit, what goes around comes around, and the game industry is a bit of a parody of itself.
i agree that people think the ps4/720 launches are going to be fantastic (which might happen) but that doesn't mean 2014 will be as smooth once the fans get their systems just as with wiiu. By then wiiu will be selling more and will be less expensive too.
Exactly, I'm sure the core will come out and buy the next Xbox and PlayStation during the holidays, but when 2014 rolls around and there is a laps in new games, we could see the same problem, we'll also see developers a little fearful to jump right into next gen with such a small install base to start with.
Jek_Porkins, There have already been a few developers say they are waiting to see how the launch goes for the other next-gen systems before they jump on board. We might see developers jump on board the wii u once it has a larger install base.
Technically it is 6 months, cause the Wii U came out on November 18th. Heck 6 months and 13 days man. Where are all the Mario Karts, the smash bros 4, HD Zelda with better graphics like that tech demo, Metroid games, F-Zeros, and etc? Nintendo this was suppose to be your year!!! I am going to feel sorry for you when PS4 and Xbox Infinity comes out. When they release Killzone ShadowFall, Infamous Second Son, and a huge load of PS4/PS3 exclusives to keep me too busy with that system. As for Xbox Infinity, it's going to be a next year in the summer for me. Gonna play Wii U when Smash bro 4 comes out, which is probably 2015. Sorry Nintendo gonna be a long wait to play you.
"It's been almost six months... hey do you remember the Wii U was released?" Yup, and do you, sir, know that if you compare the opening 5/6 months of the PS3, 360 and Wii U then the PS3 sold the most, the Wii U comes in not far off and the 360 sold the least. Stupid bloody articles, getting sick of 'em at this stage. The Wii U sales look bad ONLY when compared to the Wii, but compare the 360 and PS3 and they look just as bad.
Everyone keeps saying this. The difference is the WiiU had a massive opening & sales have dropped dramatically. Out of sales of 3.4 million, only 400,000 have been since after Xmas, that is a complete disaster. The PS3 was $600 dollars & MS couldn't keep up with demand!
I will never buy a console before they release its specks again... Fool me once Nintendo... Sold my Wii U about two weeks ago...
Thats exactly what happened to me with the Wii.
How exactly did you purchase a WiiU WITHOUT knowing it's specs? Plus, I'm failing to see the link between solid software experiences and hardware bulletpoints... *??*
Loyalty to a brand ?
Compared to Next Gen consoles, the Wii U just cant hang...
DOOMZ has a point ;)
So only specs? Why dont you go PC?
while it is true the system has not been out for that long, not long enough for all the " this is the death of nintendo" articles it is having some problems getting off the ground and the hype attached to the wii launch is not there. however i personally know a lot of people that didnt know it was a new system, because they havent really advertised it that much. and while hard core gamers are aware of gaming news and info the average consumer is not. Also to all of you nintendo fans out there that keep saying the wii u will start doing better when the nextgen ps and xbox come out i would advise that could happen but it could also hurt them. since people recognize value if the ps4/xbox720 are more money (and they will be) as long as people feel it is worth the money it wont matter the wii u is cheaper
I only see two option really: 1. Nintendo drops the price below PS4/720 launch price. And announces a shit load of first party ips since there not getting much 3rd party support 2. Nintendo kills off the Wii U similar to Virtual Boy back then. Then creates a more powerful system on par with PS4/720 so it will attract more devs and with more devs it means more customers. I don't see option 2 happening, but anything is possible really. It was a horrible move to not have a huge event at E3 2013. Not everyone watches Nintendo Direct, in fact most people who already own a Nintendo system are the ones who watch it.
Maybe we could wait until after E3 to decide if not blowing money on a press conference that the gaming press routinely shits all over was a smart move or not? Also, newsflash, almost no-one watches any of the E3 press conferences. If you don't think that anything that Miyamato announces at their Tuesday morning pre-show press briefing will be picked up by the mainstream media, please send whatever you're smoking my way. Honestly, what I'm having a hard time figuring out is what is the difference between the press conference they cancelled and the the press briefing they scheduled for tuesday morning. Also, you do realize that Nintendo is still going to have a massive presence at E3 aside from that one cancelled event, right?. I'm pretty sure the press is not going to just ignore Nintendo at E3. We'll see, I guess.
My guess for the E3 thing is they don't have much to show.
Its obvious why Nintendo failed. They tried to pull a Wii on us again. The majority of gamers/devs are just saying no. At least on the plus side if Nintendo doesn't drop the Wii u and continues to support it that will mean a whole bunch of 1st party games because that the only way the Wii u can survive but then again Nintendo is slow at developing games, maybe its because its their first time developing HD games.
It's a shame. I bought a WiiU and returned it before Christmas. And as of now, I have zero interest in the WiiU. Maybe in a couple years, when all the big games come out I'll end up getting it.
so let me get this straight i bought a wiiu for zelda.. which, its not even out yet.. . http://www.youtube.com/watc... ...;P who in there right mind would buy any console for two games.... mario and zelda are good but i need more then that.... thats why i bought 5 games at launch an not one was a mario game...(does nintendoland...nah..right?) not gonna lie did buy it in feb....but thats beside the point... a price cut can only get you so far.. without games... the reason the 3ds shot up was a combination of price drop + games = sales
Ok, sorry in advance for the novel. It seems like lots of game journalists & gamers who like to talk about games online are all too eager to declare a winner in a generation of game consoles that currently has one system available. Lets wait til ouya sells a single unit to somebody who didn't fund the kickstarter before declaring it a runaway success. Also, how short everybody's memory is when it comes to Nintendo's last device, the 3DS. Remember the 3DS in summer of '11? "Dead in the water" they said. "Clearly inferior to the upcoming Playstation Vita" they said. "Will have it's lunch eaten by ios & android games" they said. Meanwhile, 30+ million units later, and Nintendo hasn't even released a Pokemon game or a white version of the 3DS XL yet. I know it's fun to speculate, but lets give it a year & see what the sales numbers are for the two virtually identical consoles coming out later this year. What are they doing to set themselves apart from each other? Prettier FPSs? There is certainly a large audience for those games, but the ones out now look pretty good to most people. The way I see it, unless MS & Sony both sell 5+ million units in the first 6 months, we'll be getting these "Doom is imminent" articles about at least one of those machines in a years time. And don't forget, these upcoming machines are not likely to be priced to sell to a wide audience when they launch. We'll see how they do against what could be a similar lineup for what Nintendo had for 3DS' holiday '11. If 6 months after MarioKart8 & SuperMarioUniverse drop Nintendo is still in a sales slump, they should definitely start panicking. Besides, like I always say, I sort of like "cornered animal mode" Nintendo. Brings out the eye of the tiger. Sorry for the essay, just seems like, as per usual, reports of Nintendo's demise might be slightly exagerated at this point in a consoles life.
Finally- someone with an IQ above 10 and common sense to boot. You're right- backs-against-the-wall Nintendo is FUCKING AWESOME.
The ignorance is strong with many in the community of folks who like to talk about games online. Here's some more of my feelings about the coming console competition. Microsoft. They seem to be in the best position to capitalize on the large, active fanbase they built up this generation, despite the fact that they charge you for access to things you already pay for via Live Gold. They have a fair number of die-hard 10-25 year-old males desperate to be seen as playing something "mature". On the other hand, they have their own hurdles to overcome. For one, the 360 is still selling pretty well right now. They will almost have to do something like a lower-priced subscription option to compete with their own previous console. Plus we've yet to hear how much games for PS4 & Nextbox will retail for, let alone cost to make. How many units is a AAA title going to have to sell on one of those machines to make money? When it comes to Wii-U, I would much rather see a product that slowly builds steam, like the PS3 did, than one that burns fast and bright as a fad like the Wii. I'm glad Nintendo made lotsa cash with that machine, but it was not my fav product of theirs. There are a fair number of folks out there who will be happy to have a HD Nintendo console that has moved away from motion controls, offers more local multiplayer experiences, has a library of the greatest legacy games and is available at what I assume will be a more attractive price point than it's competitors. All that, and for a lot of single player games, someone else can use the TV or you can multitask/watch whatever while you play. I'm curious to see how it plays out. I feel bad for anyone who has to choose just one machine.
I think you take too much out of a title--and just the title. I know I certainly didn't write about the sure death of the Wii U. I don't believe it for a second. But there's no denying that it has disappointing launch sales, just as there is no denying there were disappointing launch sales for the 3DS. But it is an indication that Nintendo needs to DO SOMETHING, like it did something when the 3DS launch disappointed. And I think they will. They're pretty fast to act on stuff like that. The catalogue will expand. But whether or not that happens fast enough before market demand drives it off the shelves is another question made harder by competing consoles that are (so far) rumored to be ~$350-$400.
It's ironic that Nintendo may as well have announced its intention to only concentrate on the handheld market by releasing a console with a controller that's like a giant handheld.
Wii U probably will never get used to its fullest potential from 3rd party.. Oh well, i only want a new Smash bros, zelda, metroid, & mario (galaxy successor) anyway.. Nothing new here, its always been like this since gamecube
I'm calling it now, Nintendo will drop the price of Wii U & release a huge game with release date at Pre-E3 show or during E3, then shortly after, announce they have been listening to criticisms and begin a re-focused marketing push! Then watch sales go up!
Slow start- yes, I see it. Not great sales- yes, I see it. PS4 and XB720 going to do so much better- How do you know? Do you see it? (If so, can I borrow your time machine and I can take it to all of the E3's till the end of E3?) I will wait and see. I just hope that the console makers and the developers aren't furthering an unhealthy trend by their behaviors. This current Gen has a lot of potential to boost the industry to new heights but there's also so real danger- anyone who reads the Gaming-business articles can see this. (Make sure you are honest and vocal to developers about their successes and failures cause they will need guidance.)
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