After several days of internal consideration Microsoft executives have said that they will not be producing a Blu ray Xbox 360. Instead the Company is working on a brand new gaming and entertainment solution that will replace the current Xbox 360.
Bring em on. Hope they are interesting though.
Yep! Good news for ALL gamers!
this fast?? letter to MS how dare u do these things to ur customers? they spend a lot of money on live and extra peripheral and when finally the RROD starting to get fixed u will release a new console?? what about 20-25 million person who bought the 360 and wants to enjoy the gaming and cheap prices games?? r u going to release a new console every 4 years and pull the support from the last console?? how do u expect people to trust u anymore?? if sony release ps4 before 2011 i will be very pissed of from them!!
I love how you guys pretend to give a sh1t.
lets see if everything is digital... why would i buy a hd movie when i can just cop the thing for free from another site... they will lose a lot of money moving to digital!!!
well i dont care about 360 owners, but its really sad story for them if u think about it for a minute! they r loyal and they keep bashing ps3 and they keep buying a lot of games for it even pay for LIVE and the end thats what they get??? weather i care or not its important that we gamers or even fanboys think of the other side even if it was for a minute!! they r humans too u know?? weather i am a gamer or causal gamer or ps3 fanboy or wii fanboy it doesnt mean i cant feel sorry for 360 owners!! they payed money from they own pockets or they parents bought them or maybe was a gift!! and what about u? do u care about 360 owners?? from what i feel u r a 360 fanboy, do u care about whats happening to ur friends and 360 owners? or is it if u accept it then the rest should shut their mouths and follow u and put up MS RROD?
I feel sorry for anybody who doesn't have a 360, playing crap games on their crap consoles.
Did you even read the article? Or even the title? This is not "just" a MS thing but an answer to Sony's new Home System. Look at the PS2 and PS3 There are "New" games still coming out for the PS2 even after the ps3 is out. What they are creating here is not the new "XBOX 720" but an answer to Sony trying to corner a niche market. I am not a "fanboy" I own both systems and think they both have there pros & cons. What MS is creating here would not eliminate the 360. The money they make on "Live" alone is enough to keep supporting the 360.
i agree with u, and imagine many people feel sorry for u that u dont play ps3 games! they feel the same way u feel now! @1.7 i did read the article and i knows its about IP's for both consoles but MS will launch a new xbox in around 2010, if u dont see it then revise MS strategy and way of dealing business! and i dont think they can answer the ps3 without blue ray add on with the 360!! they will need something completely new to compete with the ps3 and sony blue ray success.
This thing called a xBox 360?
Why does it have these features built-in for? -
RRoD(Red Ring of Death)?
Old DVD drive?
Why are 95% of the games on it all Unoriginal P.C Games for?
what the controller might be:
downloading compressed HD videos is not true HD, MS are so bitter that blu-ray won, why can't they just go with blu-ray and make it better for the consumer instead of stroking their ego.
But also there is nothing wrong to start building the technology from now, even Sony realise this. We wont see them reach the masses for a quite a while.
i watch 300 from xbl and it was true, true high def. i couldn't believe it. i watch movies with my ps3 and i didn't see any superiority.
I'd like to know the file size, and how long it took you to dl it. Then you have to think about a library of not only movies but games on a hdd. Not even the biggest commercial HDD today could hold much of your content at all, and I don't even need to mention "next next gen games" which will be in the terabyte range when we can't even handle this gen content until at least next gen, which means we'll still be way behind. The question is how long will it take us to catch up? My guess is at least a decade. And I'm not even mentioning rights of ownership issues that still need to be worked out. Global internet speeds that need catching up, which are way behind. Lastly Its own fight for breaking into real mainstream.
... that you can start watching a movie after a certain percentage of it has been downloaded. As long as you stay online (which almost every with Xbox Live does when the console is on) you can enjoy the movie or episode without waiting for an extended period of time. It's close to streaming.
Personally, if Microsoft wants to be competitive in this venture and not be the bully they really need to lower the cost of HDDs and put some larger sizes out much cheaper. You can get a portable harddrive with larger sizes at cheaper prices for what they ask for.
give me a break. speaking from someone who owns a 60" or above, downloaded movies are about on par with upscaled dvd's.
Tru HD is the worst marketing scam in the history of TV. No human that is part to the general population will ever see it the way you see it. sorry.
Are you referring to 480p vs. 1080p?!? I've sold plenty of friends on HD with one push on the remote...the I/O button. I might be reading your post wrong, but I think what you are trying to say is that people won't know the difference between SD and HD. If that is the case than I totally disagree with you.
Now if you mean that the mass population won't know the difference between 720p and 1080p I'd still disagree with you, but understand that some people really don't pay that close attention to see the difference.
why is MS BITTER about blu ray winning!! they didnt own HD DVD or own stock in HD DVD. HD DVD used a MS codec an blu ray used java. plus MS was just trying to prolong the format war long enough to get DD as a factor!! MS didnt loose anything so why would they be bitter!! if anything TOSHIBA should be bitter not MS.
MS banked on toshiba and HD-DVD. They Screwed all the people who followed MS-xbox for there HD need.
So yes MS didnt develop HD-DVD but the fact they CHOOSE to support a format for xbox that DIED is a slap in a face.
Globally we don't even have the dl speeds to handle this generation of content let alone the not so distant "the next gen" in which content will be in the terabytes. "We believe that we have set the right course going forward. We are investing in faster networks to deliver the content including 42mbps to the mobile and fibre to the node in the home." 42mbps? lmao! fibre? Lmao! Japan is launching a satellite that will allow dl speeds of 1.2gbps. Until the world catches up they can kiss my pale white @ss.
And if you read the article entirely, one of the "supporter" of this is Telstra. If you are from Australia, you know Telstra is a monopolistic company that keep the prices high. For example around $50 will get you 10GB download allowance per month with Telstra, while its competitors will give you at least 40-50GB per month. 10GB isn't enough for general browsing and youtubing, much less HD content...
Exactly... but they will continue to say we do need to have Digital downloads. One such forerunner of this ideology is Apple. I really wish that they would get realistic with this and do better research. But alas, they won't and because Apple does it, everyone will try to do it too.
ISP's need to be affordable.
For the record I have downloaded 3 HD films from Xbox-live, Tranformers looks amazing but most seem to be upscaled, my TV is only 32inch 720p so I doubt I would get the best affect anyway, but my point is that if I am buying and others are buying then doesn't that mean that it is already working? no disk just data, it make sense to me.
I am so curious about what Nazisoft is gonna come up with... Maybe: 1 - Exploding hardware (like a few cellphones); 2 - Parts that come loose, killing innocent little kids; 5 - Windows vista built in? Maybe they will built in everything!!! 6 - Assuming #5 is true: BSOD (Blue Screen of Dead, might be the new RROD, who knows!!!!) What else you guys can add????
...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
I forgot one feature, 7 - You don't buy game disc anymore, you DOWNLOAD them directly from Nazisoft's HQ.
. edit: is it just me or is all the talk about "downloading stuff" reeks of "No way No how will we use bluray, that would mean they wher right and we cant put are foot in r mouth?" i like to buy my media on a HardCopy Insurance replaced if need put it on the shelf never lose cuz of EMP pulse disc?
Have developed a new super broad band which has the capacity to download 15 standard movies in a minute, so downloadable content isnt as far away as you would think, dont believe me check on the financial times website, its all on there
and you can guarantee that is about 20 years away! or, they charge you a couple of hundred a month for the privilege of such extravagent speeds! and what network would that run over?? certainly not bt's crappy copper wiring, that they charge the earth for to the other providers.... and fibre to the home in england is a long way away.
hardware requirements mean upgraded networks required for it to work, aka new lines, new switchs, new recievers etc....
the work of a decade... not weeks or years.
A Denmark team were able to teleport an atomic object half a meter in their laboratory in 2006. So according to your logic we won't need this new downloading technology since we'll also be able to teleport our games to our houses using quantum entanglement.
I'd love a teleporter for my games, that'd be awesome!
The closest I'll get to a quantum teleporter or gate is playing Supreme Commander though... :(
Btw le killer Virgin have started selling Fibre optic broadband so that long way away just became now.
1) Network Neutrality needed
without it ISPs will filter their traffic and slow down large files that are not paying their extortion fee. (and since a file crosses many ISPs this can lead to a slow down in any link of the chain)
2) MUCH Faster speeds needed - to hit good quality 1080p 5.1 with
VC-1 you need approximately 30 gigs for the file
Telstra if they can deliver fiber to each house is a step in the right direction - but the capital expenditure and the labour requirement is high and therefore will not be a tomorrow or even a 2 year thing.
3) True ownership - do you really own the copy or is it more of license? that is if you have downloaded it - how many times can you? a Limited number?
currently this limit is 5 for both xlive and psn - you pay and then you have the ability to download it a max of five times...
4) physical media is more reliable and portable - if your Console crashes have fun redownloading all your movies
this will count against your max downloads. it definitely is not as portable - I can carry a blu-ray or hd-dvd to my friends house in under 5 mins... I can of course pack the console (but why risk it) or I can spend 6 hours (at a very high speed connection) to download it there. (again using up one of the activations)
5) storage requirements for a decent library (or will you download each movie only when you want to watch it?)
Exactly, I want to own physical media. I don't want it to be utterly dependent upon my account. Not only is it a hassle to view it at other destinations, but if for whatever reason you don't feel the need to own a movie anymore what can you do? You can at least recoup some value in selling it, or trading it in somewhere. Digital distribution still has a long way to go, but even when and if it becomes mainstream I will still be supporting physical media.
There isn't a limit to the ammount of times you can download an item on PSN or XBL.
The number 5 is limited to 5 different Playstation systems.
(but if it is one of the 5 - downloads are limitless)
I agree on internet neutrality. It is a must.
However, I think the physical media arguement is a bit of a stretch.
Don't get me wrong. I like looking at all my DVDs and it helps when I wanna pick something to watch. However it does take up space I wish I could use for other things.
Think of it this way, how many MP3s do you have your computer and then how many CDs it would've taken to accumulate those MP3s. It'd be rediculous.
You look at the iPod where you can store thousands of songs and no one is complaining about not owning the physical media.
At first I had an issue with not being able to 'show off' my collection but then I thought about it, you can still show it off just in a different manner.
I mean heck. We yell at the RIAA for not getting with the digital age and now we are telling Microsoft that the digital age will not be successful. I dunno.
You hit the nail on the head. These are exactly the reasons I feel that digital downloads won't take off at the present time, at least not with the majority of the high-def watching public. Most of my family members who own an HDTV are not going to download movies, they don't even know the proper definition of "download". They buy stuff, and rent stuff to watch.
As for the MP3 argument - that's kind of different. An MP3 takes a few seconds to download. A true high definition movie (equivalent in quality to what you're getting on Blu-ray) will take hours, or days, and chew up bandwidth like nobody's business.
Download speeds are the biggest hurdle, but if MS wants DD to take off, they'll need to get everyone a hard drive big enough to store HD movies then make sure that the machine is reliable enough that people feel safe storing their movie collections on it. The decisions they've made for the x360 aren't in line with those requirements so they'll need to correct them in their next iteration.
Your argument about owning physical media is flawed. There is a huge difference between MP3s and HD video files. While considering your example of putting a persons MP3s on CD and seeing how much space it would take up is valid, it ignores one of the primary reasons that people turned to MP3s in the first place: people were getting tired of paying $10-$25 for a full CD with only one or two good songs. While granted "good" is subjective, for the most part, people were upset with getting stuck with crappy songs when they only wanted one or two.
Also, no one only likes one part of a movie. At least, no one that is sane. Movies are a whole, whereas CDs are made up of individual parts that generally don't correlate to one another. Movies are liked or disliked as a whole, not for the individual scenes. Nobody only wants just part of Superbad or Scarface or Saving Private Ryan, etc. They want the whole movie.
You bring up Ipods, yet you don't bring up the key difference. There are many devices to play MP3 files on. Also, many are portable, allowing for the sharing of content, as in letting your friend listen to it. There are very few devices to playback HD video files, and they aren't exactly portable. Once there is a device, like an Ipod-type device, that allows people to take their HD content with them and play it elsewhere, then DD will really take off. Until then, it won't happen. One last thing I forgot; you mention being able to store 1000s of songs, but you don't mention being able to store only a few hours of video.
This is not meant as an attack, just a counterargument.
Understandable and at the time when Napster became popular most of the internet was still on 56k. Very few were using broadband (cable or DSL). Downloading songs of a couple megabytes did not take the mere seconds it takes today. I remember taking hours to download songs. And then waiting longer because someone would log off :( I digress.
As to storage and poratable media. At the same time mp3s were starting the portable storage we were working with was a disc and an MP3 CD player that could read those discs. iPods didn't appear on the scene for another 4-5 years. Portable DVD players are just now become afforable. It will probably take another 4-5 (depending on the popularity rise/fall) years for a successful portable digital player.
I understand and I'm all for a healthy debate, I'm just looking at history. I understand that at the time the market was also a bit tired of CD rubbish. People are also getting tired of spending $8 on admission to a movie or maybe $20 on a new DVD (or $50 for a BluRay).Only the future will tell.
Bubbles to those above.
Exactly. My point was that it took almost 10 years before downloading music became as prevelant as it is today, so one can reasonbly assume that it will take the same amount of time regarding DD for movie content to become truly mainstream.
There are several issues keeping DD from being a primary, or even a serious alternative, means of acquiring content, and I think it's funny that people are under the impression that it is coming next week.
It is all very well to have portable data and be able watch it on a small 10inch screen, but then why have High Def. For a screen that size we are going to see very little difference between standard DVD and High Def. With an Ipod this is not an issue as sound is not displayed. A better quality song can still be played from a smaller item and not lose anything in the translation. High Def needs to be viewed on a large screen to fully appreciate the quality and these are inherently not portable.
yaay its fvckeng Dave D!ckards again
I told you all MS was gonna release the new machine next XMAS.
I've known that since last year.
be a new console from microsoft til 2010 at the earliest. and you can bet that it will be spoting some type of disc drive....my money would be on a blu-ray!
more scrutiny on Microsoft's next console
For the expanding cable customer base, DOCSIS 3.0 is going to play a huge role in greatly expanding bandwidth capability. In the next couple of years, there is going to be tremendous growth in broadband technology and digital distribution. Storage devices are getting smaller, with more storage space. Higher bandwidth coupled with easily portable storage is going to really change the outlook of digital distribution. Of course, not everywhere in the world will be up to speed as quickly as some areas, so Blu-ray and physical media will still be a necessity. But, I think our reliance on that will be greatly decreased in the next several years.
has only been out for one year.
it has everything it can, and needs.
There will be no PS4 for 5 or 6 years.
MS needs to release a new system because it doesn't have a harddrive standard.
The old dvd is not suited for HD.
The 360 is not suited for Full HD.
MS needs a new system that doesn't break.
The 360s best days are behind it.
MS needs to hurry!
No hurry please. X360 was too rushed out.
If there was a vote on this i would have to say NO not for me here's a few reasons why
1 If it is a download then you never own it(ever), you just rent it!
2 When i go into a game store here in the UK i love getting hold of the 2 games for £20,30,40 so with downloads i/you can kiss that goodbye.
3 No more trading or swapping films and games, ALL companies hate us doing this because they don't make any MORE money from us. Downloads are the only way they can stop us.
4 If downloads did take off in a big way you would see a big price rise for all DLC, if you think it would be cheeper then you must be one of them bird type things that puts there heads in the sand!
5 How many manufacturing plants and different kinds of factories, shops would close not to mention how many people would lose there jobs.
Get ready to buy another xbot. You fools you will by another xbot in 1 year. MS announced features of new xbot: 1)Yup this time you will not see RROD guys because this time we are not putting Led on xbot:) ( So how you can ) 2)Fan Noise are you fed up with that so no Fan this time :) ( Please buy add on MS air conditioner ) 3)Over heating oh this was very tough but we build new xbot that will never heat up ( Play time : 1 hour for week ) 4)Hey we are sticking with dvd9 ( Because we know that fool people always buy xbot :) Coming Soon :) We want to earn money
late 2009 or early 2010?
How long have i been predicting the new xbox would come out in that time frame? looks like i am not buying a 360 after all.
Anyway, if they are going to go with DD they better come out with an HDD of 1tb or more or I wont buy it. I dont know if it will work anyplace outside of the US anyway. They definitely risk outrunning the current technology and limiting their userbase because of it.
Best said by sony:
"In many Countries like Australia bandwidth is still slow so until we see fast broadband in every Country Blu ray is still the best solution to watch high quality content. The price of the player is falling and we are now seeing Blu ray players in notebooks, home servers and set top boxes as well as in home storage devices".
nothing concrete to back up this sites story.
If history were to be believed, the next Xbox would be due xmas 2010, at the earliest.
But consoles are more advanced this time around, I can't see the typical 5-year span sticking.
I had to place a guess myself, 2012.
I know one of the main argument about downloads is that people will reach the ISP limit and get surcharges. And also that speed is too low for most users. What if the ISP were part of the solution instead of being part of the problem? What if they were paid to locally\regionally host the download content within their network so that it could be made faster and not count against regular usage bandwidth? They could paid by the margin that used to be spent on packaging, storing, delivery and retail store margin. Just an idea. Not saying it would be easy just a possibility.
I think this article is wrong in many ways, but maybe the situation IS that much different down under, I just don't think so. And I know I'll get disagreed for saying this, but I think that out of Sony and Microsoft, MS will release a new console first. Probably not as soon as this guy is saying, but definitely before Sony. This is based off of track record and the undeniable fact that the 360 is not poised to be a long term solution due to choices made by MS. Disagree fanboys, but if you can honestly say that you think the 360 in it's current state of hardware configuration: no standard HDD, no HD media format support, no standard wifi, and ridiculous prices for accesories, can be a long-term contender compared to the PS3, then more power to you.
And before you start screaming about choice, that's not what my statement was about. It's about the hidden costs of acheiving parity between the 360 and the PS3 as in terms of hardware functionality. Hardware, not software. Disagrees, commence.
Well, MS will definitely release a console before Sony, as the PS3 is more future-proof than the 360. Sony thinks "loose money now, make more later." Microsoft thinks "Make as much money as fast as possible." They both have different business strategies. By the way, the 360 achieved parity faster than the PS3, so idk what you mean, unless you are using the word in a different sense.
I mean parity as in the hardware functionality being equal.
Speaking as a Resident of the great country of Australia, this place is nearly always behind the rest of the big first world countries in implementing anything of this nature. As much as i love living in this country it does hurt sometimes to have to wait for everyone else to do something before our government will implement anything. Telstra in particular is a monolithic dinosaur of a company that is very set in it's ways and has been since it's days of government ownership. Only recently has it had any competition and it's still getting used to the idea, constantly complaining that others are doing it wrong (often because they're doing it better). In short we have had promises of a faster network for years now but we still sit here with one of the slowest networks in the world.
MS, just don't kill off the 360, or at least have full backwards compatibility if you are going to.
I don't think they will. I think the co-existance of PS2\PS3 and the market opened up by the Wii has shown them that there would be a market for two offerings. They could keep the 360 to get share from PS2\Wii and use the new one (1080?) to get share away from the PS3.
Not anytime soon will I ever be downloading compressed crap from an online service. I'll stick to my physical medium, thanks.
A new console already wow you guys are gettin the shaft as we all predicted.
it said BOTH microsoft and sony were discussing future consoles. the article commented a little more on the microsoft side; because now that microsoft & company's hd-dvd format has lost we want to see what they're going to do next.
seriously you droids never miss a chance to bash, do you?
There is no waaaay that download crap will overtake a real disc. People want to buy something tangable.
New console every 5 years. Stupid morons. Standard cycle. Been that way for quite a while now. N00bs.
for the most part. fanboys,hypocrits and cynics gotta love em.
There is no such thing as "standard cycle". And there is no law that says people arent allowed to stick to the PS3 for 7+ years. In fact, thats what is going to happen.