TSA: "If you can’t share the last bits – and I appreciate this is publisher dependent – then what’s the point? Hey, look, I just started the game, watch me play the same bits you’ve all played? No."
Agree there’s no point if publishers can block it, renders the entire effort of putting it there a waste of resources. Plus sharing that last level or tricky opponent is just as important as that hole in one or that perfect lap. BUT, at the same time I have to respect what the developers do and why, because there must be a reason as to why they would do it. I am sure that most Sony 1st party games should have full access and Ubisofts games should as well, same with EA probably.
Guaranteed the lawyers of each publisher will have their say in the censorship aspect. Afterall, how can they make money off of copyright claims if everyone can share the content with a push of a button?
OnLive did it why can't Sony with PS4?
@Kratos_Kills: They probably paid to do it.
@DragonKnight can you re-word that because either you are wrong or what you made makes no sense
Its not like they're sharing the actual content of the game itself, its just videos, that of which has been commonplace on PCs for years. The Share button would bring the PS4 more inline with the community ecosystem of PCs in that aspect, but it would instantly lose much of its power and benefit if its restricted, in any way, in my opinion.
@iGAM3R-VIII: I'm saying the lawyers will have their say when the publishers decide to censor content. The lawyers are the ones that file copyright claims against youtube LP'ers to begin with.
I dont know,my rational mind is telling me to wait and see what exactly the restrictions are before I completely consider it a waste.But the other more "jump to conclusions" side agree with some of you. Theres so much crap I want to record :D @Dragonknight "The lawyers are the ones that file copyright claims against youtube LP'ers to begin with." No Not really.Almost anybody can claim copyright on youtube as long as you have even the tiniest bit of relevance to the developer & or publisher.The guy that was taking all of GTA IV , chinatown wars and vice city stories off youtube wasnt a lawyer.If I can remember he used to work with R* years ago and had no hand in making anything after gta 2. If I remember correctly.He was a complete d-bag :)
it gives the implication that there will be plenty who use it accordingly while there will be others who abuse it. Those ones that abuse it, however, could possibly ruin it for the rest of us. All it takes is a select few who have no regard for others and will share everything they can that may go against terms of service and the end will result in Sony either taking it away (ultimate end result) or a real strict submission process where everything needs to be reviewed by sony first. Its a great idea but one I am just worried will get taken away because some just can't help themselves.
As long as i can share me owning people on BF4. That's what i want to share.
yes, and we'll be able to share getting kicked for killing the host too many times, lets hope for some dedicated servers that will stay permanently.
Dude this is EA we are talking about...they will probably want to charge extra to that.
Multiplayer sharing probably won't be limited like single player. And that will be where most of the sharing happens anyway. It's understandable they don't want their single player games spoiled by people.
Yes agreed, Ubisoft already said that the SHARE button should get full access and I am sure most 1st party games should as well. Also I think EA Sports games should because of the genre.
Plus I imagine there could be some kind of time limitation applied as well. After like 3 or 4 months, singleplayer portions that were previously blocked could become available. That'd be fair all around I think.
But what about the point where you can jump in and take control of your friends game if he's stuck on a certain level etc? To be honest, I'll mainly be using this for multiplayer anyway apart from maybe games like GTA where some random craziness happens in a sandbox that I want to share. I have a feeling that the restrictions will be very limited; maybe kicking in when there is a cut scene or something.
Welcome to Miiverse 2.0
Must you troll on every article
Except there will be actual games on this platform to take advantage of it.
This time with games to talk about. Dont worry Pikmin 3 is only 3 months away, then you will have a game to talk about.
@iGAM3R-VIII I troll in every article? Show me. This sounds an awful lot like Miiverse because it will be moderated. Remember all the commotion about that? @majiebeast I don't even own a Wii U yet. My you guys sure are sensitive.
What a bunch of spoiled brats use consoles. Sad. Gimme gimme gimme. Take what you get. Be grateful you can do tge things yoi do these days.
Another person who trolls except this time either you are a PC fanboy or a Mobile Phone Gaming fanboy. That comment is just unessacary
What a mountain out of a mole hill. Not concerned at all, why should you be? The complaints here are all "what ifs".
I just don't see the point of restricting the share button. People will post that same content anyway using other methods.
even if they censor it people would just get a camera put it in front of the tv and keep recording that final boss, so what is the use if it's not gonna work? even if they put restrictions on scenes. imo, them announcing this and doing this will just fuel the spoiler community into doing the things developers wouldn't want. in this generation you see people uploading the whole game on youtube or streaming it on twitchtv,nico nico and ustream already..
Not sure how you got disagree there... Obviously every game is available to view on YouTube already
I say leave it up to the developers. If it were my game, and I was crafting some huge, cinematic experience, I don't think I would want just everyone sharing every last secret out on the net. It's probably going to happen anyway, but why make it easy for people to spoil plot points for your games? It should be the developers choice. Some games it makes sense for, others I can see them not wanting to let everyone share everything.
I think its mostly single player major story elements they are talking about blocking. Multiplayer should be 100% shareable.
Holy Jesus, can someone explain to me what's happening in this article? There are youtube walkthroughs of every game in existence, full walkthroughs and how is this even an issue now? What's the difference? None! And I cant believe you Sony fangirls are actually defending the decision of censoring parts of the game! What's wrong with this website seriously! You people all live in a fairy tale!
The only issue I have with your comment is how is it fanboys defending this ? I see two sides debating ... But you are right , everything is on YouTube , anyone disagree with that is naive
It's fanboyism because Sony Defense squad day that this is actually a good thing. Censoring is never a good thing no matter in what medium or at what time.
Nothing should be censored, if anything, there should be spoiler tags. Regardless, why take away features just because some aren't smart enough to not rush into every video/screenshot/comment they see?
Spoiler Tag--yeah, that sounds like a good work-around, if publishers try to use spoilers as an excuse. Good idea.
is not a good idea it's just... Common sense. lol
Well said. The only way I'll be able to stomach this kind of censorship is if it was time based. Like, if something epic or an awesome glitch happens near a spoiler/end and you happen to record it - I suppose I'd be ok with Sony locking the data from upload until a certain amount of time has passed since the game released. NOW THAT would be innovative, effective, and acceptable all at once. In other words, it won't happen. Edit: Oooh! They could remove or lessen this restriction for PS+ subscribers. Anything to make their paid service sweeter will help then next-gen.
yeah why don't they just put an option where you can say it's a spoiler before uploading it on the share button..
People don't realize the reason for this is because of copyright. Look at what's going on in YouTube as an example with people monetizing playthroughs and devs or pubs obstructing because of copyright infingement and such. Sony has to play it down the middle or else some pubs or devs won't put their games on the console. Whether we like it or not, the rights of developers and publishers come first.
If that's the case then why is Yoshida saying that only some parts of a game may not be uploaded? If it was copyright reasons would that mean any footage of the game wouldn't be allowed? It won't look very well for Sony after marketing this ability for players to show off everything they've done if every developer can just click their fingers and say "nah don't want that".
Not true, it could be a precious second or the whole shebang. Whatever's blockable is entirely up to the creator's discretion. Whole vids of gameplay footage have taken down because of certain portions as opposed to the whole thing, afterwards it's then up to the uploader to negotiate what's allowable or not.
you can go to youtube right now and find full playthroughs of almost all new release from any publisher. I don't see why that would all of a sudden become a big deal now. http://www.youtube.com/watc... On part of a full playthrough of Bioshock Infinite part of full playthrough of Gears of War Judgement http://www.youtube.com/watc... God of war Ascension http://www.youtube.com/watc... I named an exclusive from each system and a multiplatform title. All were uploaded some time ago and all of them still up. There goes your bogus claim of copyright infringement.
I hadn't even thought of that but you're correct. But what if the shared content remained within the PS ecosystem? In other words, no YouTube/Facebook/Twitter sharing if the publisher decides against it. The Let's Play community is huge and Sony should really capitalize on it. Limiting important aspects of it would be detrimental.
"Whether we like it or not, the rights of developers and publishers come first." So you're saying devs and pubs are more equal than the rest of us. Niiiiiiiicccccceeee.
I'm subscribed to several people on YouTube who regularly have game content and walkthroughs, with ad placement. No problems there. This isn't YouTube anyway. Nobody is making money off their videos.
While copyright is probably an element, I think it's simply there so no company can really complain about it. If you don't want someone to upload something, they can simply block it via this method. It won't stop people with HDPVR's, but that's still a smaller group than those who own said system.
"People don't realize the reason for this is because of copyright. Look at what's going on in YouTube as an example with people monetizing playthroughs and devs or pubs obstructing because of copyright infingement and such. Sony has to play it down the middle or else some pubs or devs won't put their games on the console. Whether we like it or not, the rights of developers and publishers come first." 100% agreement Some one who freaking get's it!, Look while i do disagree with the basis of the censorship, there is limit's in everything of what you can do and say in a Public forum or in this case a public share video service Like Youtube. respecting the right's of the developer and publisher is just as important as it is for the consumer. I may not like some of those protections but i understand why they are there. So its to be taken in stride, this is a freaking Hobby, you have to understand thing's may not always go your way, even if some of the reason's for doing such censorship is kinda pointless, but that's just the breaks.
I just read the article again (original interview with 4Gamer), the user has the option to show/not show a specific scene...e.g. last boss battle. But developers can also choose to incorporate settings into their game so certain scenes can't be shared (think copyright issues with music for example). Edge based their translation off 4Gamer interview and all other sites based their "articles" off Edge's translation. Great journalism right there...it's half baked. I guess them private Japanese lessons were good for something :P
So we are basically complaining about a feature that wasn't there before because it doesn't live up to our expectations of it. Once you've run that through your heads a few times it's easy to see that this is just a manufactured complaint.
No. People are complaining about the implications of just what can be censored at the whim of the publisher. They are complaining about the idea that such censoring has the potential to make the Share feature pretty useless, and they are complaining about the fact that lame copyright B.S. could be a reason for censorship when all people want to do is what we all used to do as kids when we gamed, watch each game but on a larger scale.
If I have nothing and someone gave me something, I wouldn't then complain that the something wasn't what I wanted.
If you had nothing, and someone said you can have something, then later someone else said you can't use it completely as the way the first person told you it can be used, you would complain.
But that someone hasn't even gave you something yet. He mentions what he is going to give you, and you automatically assume you have full use and can do as you please with it. The assuming is your fault, not anyone elses. If someone gives you something and its not ideal of what you assumed it was going to be. Then you should be happy you just got something. Or you can not take it and go about your business.
Wow, I really can't believe there are people in here defending publisher censoring just because there wasn't previously a share option before. Apathy is what publishers love to see.
The thing is that there always has been a share option and always will be. They're called game recorders. Publishers have every right to request that youtube take every video of their games off youtube at any given time. Just look at any leaked footage that gets taken down in 2 min. If you don't want to be restricted to this policy then you have every right give game makers the middle finger and not buy their games. The truth is the only thing you have is a piece of plastic and the right to use it in a certain manner. Don't believe me, the go read through that 50pg. agreement you skimmed over in 8 sec. That's the problem here: people sign agreements (digitally or otherwise) left and right and try to act like they never had any implication, when these agreements are just as legally binding as the deed to your house.
And that's how you hamper industry growth.
I agree. People just look for anything to complain about. How about waiting to see what ACTUALLY happens before getting upset over something which, at this point, is a non-issue.
While a man wouldn't be spoiling story moments himself (a man plans to use this button for spontaneous awesome moments that happen in open world games or miracle wins in sports games) he can see why "let's play" people wouldn't like this. A man guesses that friends should trust each other not to spoil stuff. It's not like people can't see spoilers on Youtube anyway.
so ppl will be disapponted
My question is, what is the difference between someone saving a particular hard area and publishing it, and the developer allowing a walk-through to be published? Their are Youtube walk-through's on just about any game you can think of. Also, on the Nintendo Wii U Mii-Verse, you can talk about anything you want, just mark it as "Spoiler" if it contains spoilers.
to many dumb people dont buy the games instead go to youtube and watch other people play like its a damn movie. its like what the heck are you betas males doing? cant even play a game anymore. if you have to watch a game being played it says a lot about how much a failure you are in life. im sorry cant even get or dont even have the confindence, will, determination to play a game. it really shows how insignificant you are. its funny because these same people who just watch games try to be fanboys in the console wars lol. what has this world come to. future 40 year old virgins wactching some below average chick play some game. people no longer go out and try to get a girl they just are in a constant dream and wish mode for all eternity. the need to make a game called beta male gamers the game.
Publishers are just trying to tap into the "streaming" money pool. Honestly. Youtube etc... makes tons of money off these streaming videos. Some of Youtubes biggest payers are doing it. Publishers just want that money. So they start their own little networks or create deals to get the money. Otherwise they call its "copyright infringement" The greed is killing literally every good idea. Honestly I was surprised when full games outright blocked the Vita screenshot feature.... I mean its a screenshot.....
"The greed is killing literally every good idea. Honestly I was surprised when full games outright blocked the Vita screenshot feature.... I mean its a screenshot....." 100% agreement, Like i stated i may not like it , but i understand why. for instance, a deal with say outsourced 3D art designer's for your game may have in their contract that the artwork can only be shared on public forum in certain way's thus you or i do not have the right's to do such content. Thus in the contract states that the publisher has to remove such content off of the internet where posted without permission. I know first hand with a video over on youtube my was removed for copy right infringement.
I can't imagine many publishers wanting to restrict the sharing features, after all it's kind of like free advertising for them.
Plus, this seems like an opt-out thing, where devs have to specifically program in what they don't want captured. Considering how little effort devs put into things like custom soundtracks for PS3, I can't imagine many would even bother blocking content on PS4, especially knowing that, whether they like it or not, it's going to find its way to YouTube or where ever one way or another.
And it isn't just PS4.. they'd have to program it to nextbox games as well (I'm sure the next xbox will also record), so it's a lot of effort to go about just to restrict you from showing people what you're doing in a game.
Welp, their goes my excitement for this feature. I think I'm still okay since I'm only interested in capturing multiplayer moments. Still, I agree with this article. Don't talk about this share button and the ability to share everything and all of a sudden say you can't share everything. That's lying.
Thing is that they wont be able to stop those game-recording devices that are already out on the market. People could still work around it, all this censorship would be doing is denying something to the normal consumer. Whats really unforgivable is the idea of having the ability to take a screenshot but choosing to turn it off on some levels. Come on, consoles. PC has been able to take screenshots at anytime since practically the start... It's time for consoles to step up and at least give us that much. The moment they get the ability to do so, some would censor it? For what, artistic integrity? Hopefully it will only be a rare few that censor their Share abilities.
I still don't get what the share button brings to gaming. The achievement/trophy system isn't enough? Now we are supposed to share our game sessions and replays? Why? I can see this being more problematic than anything. How many people really care about that sort of social aspect in a game console? Give us online play, cross game chat, and great games. No need to focus on unnecessary features just to be different.