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Opinion: The PS4′s Share Button Needs To Be All Or Nothing, Publisher Censorship Won’t Work

TSA: "If you can’t share the last bits – and I appreciate this is publisher dependent – then what’s the point? Hey, look, I just started the game, watch me play the same bits you’ve all played? No."

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iGAM3R-VIII1243d ago (Edited 1243d ago )

Agree there’s no point if publishers can block it, renders the entire effort of putting it there a waste of resources. Plus sharing that last level or tricky opponent is just as important as that hole in one or that perfect lap.

BUT, at the same time I have to respect what the developers do and why, because there must be a reason as to why they would do it. I am sure that most Sony 1st party games should have full access and Ubisofts games should as well, same with EA probably.

DragonKnight1243d ago

Guaranteed the lawyers of each publisher will have their say in the censorship aspect. Afterall, how can they make money off of copyright claims if everyone can share the content with a push of a button?

The_Infected1243d ago

OnLive did it why can't Sony with PS4?

DragonKnight1243d ago

@Kratos_Kills: They probably paid to do it.

iGAM3R-VIII1243d ago

@DragonKnight can you re-word that because either you are wrong or what you made makes no sense

KwietStorm1243d ago

Its not like they're sharing the actual content of the game itself, its just videos, that of which has been commonplace on PCs for years. The Share button would bring the PS4 more inline with the community ecosystem of PCs in that aspect, but it would instantly lose much of its power and benefit if its restricted, in any way, in my opinion.

DragonKnight1243d ago (Edited 1243d ago )

@iGAM3R-VIII: I'm saying the lawyers will have their say when the publishers decide to censor content. The lawyers are the ones that file copyright claims against youtube LP'ers to begin with.

Dee_911243d ago (Edited 1243d ago )

I dont know,my rational mind is telling me to wait and see what exactly the restrictions are before I completely consider it a waste.But the other more "jump to conclusions" side agree with some of you.

Theres so much crap I want to record :D

@Dragonknight
"The lawyers are the ones that file copyright claims against youtube LP'ers to begin with."
No Not really.Almost anybody can claim copyright on youtube as long as you have even the tiniest bit of relevance to the developer & or publisher.The guy that was taking all of GTA IV , chinatown wars and vice city stories off youtube wasnt a lawyer.If I can remember he used to work with R* years ago and had no hand in making anything after gta 2. If I remember correctly.He was a complete d-bag :)

darthv721242d ago

it gives the implication that there will be plenty who use it accordingly while there will be others who abuse it.

Those ones that abuse it, however, could possibly ruin it for the rest of us. All it takes is a select few who have no regard for others and will share everything they can that may go against terms of service and the end will result in Sony either taking it away (ultimate end result) or a real strict submission process where everything needs to be reviewed by sony first.

Its a great idea but one I am just worried will get taken away because some just can't help themselves.

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JoGam1243d ago

As long as i can share me owning people on BF4. That's what i want to share.

jadenkorri1243d ago

yes, and we'll be able to share getting kicked for killing the host too many times, lets hope for some dedicated servers that will stay permanently.

Knight_Crawler1243d ago

Dude this is EA we are talking about...they will probably want to charge extra to that.

CraigandDayDay1243d ago

Multiplayer sharing probably won't be limited like single player. And that will be where most of the sharing happens anyway. It's understandable they don't want their single player games spoiled by people.

iGAM3R-VIII1243d ago

Yes agreed, Ubisoft already said that the SHARE button should get full access and I am sure most 1st party games should as well. Also I think EA Sports games should because of the genre.

Ace_Pheonix1243d ago

Plus I imagine there could be some kind of time limitation applied as well. After like 3 or 4 months, singleplayer portions that were previously blocked could become available. That'd be fair all around I think.

Septic1243d ago

But what about the point where you can jump in and take control of your friends game if he's stuck on a certain level etc?

To be honest, I'll mainly be using this for multiplayer anyway apart from maybe games like GTA where some random craziness happens in a sandbox that I want to share.

I have a feeling that the restrictions will be very limited; maybe kicking in when there is a cut scene or something.

GameSpawn1242d ago

My thought on what would be limited would be specific single player sections that may violate Facebook's, Youtube, and whatever other sites will be linked in terms of use, aka sex and nudity. This will cut down the amount of censoring the website be submitted to has to do from the get go.

Personally I'm fine with this if it is the case. Honestly I'm fairly antisocial and probably won't be using the share features much short of the occasional "cool s**t just happened" moments.

@Septic (the main reason I replied here)
I had the funniest gaming moment happen to me in GTA5. I was in a mission trying to get away, with a 4 star rating if memory serves, and was getting pissed that I could quite shake the cops. Well I came shooting around a corner FULL speed and a cop rams me head on. Now normally in GTA5 if you're in a head on you fly through the front windshield into the street. What happens to me? Nothing! My car was like a brick wall, we both came to a dead stop and TWO cops get thrown onto the hood of their car while I'm just sitting pretty in mine. I laugh my ass off, toss it in reverse and drive around them and on my way. I WISH I had a share button then.

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iGAM3R-VIII1243d ago

Must you troll on every article

KwietStorm1243d ago

Except there will be actual games on this platform to take advantage of it.

majiebeast1243d ago (Edited 1243d ago )

This time with games to talk about. Dont worry Pikmin 3 is only 3 months away, then you will have a game to talk about.

MikeMyers1243d ago (Edited 1243d ago )

@iGAM3R-VIII

I troll in every article? Show me. This sounds an awful lot like Miiverse because it will be moderated. Remember all the commotion about that?

@majiebeast

I don't even own a Wii U yet. My you guys sure are sensitive.

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Tapioca Cold1243d ago

What a bunch of spoiled brats use consoles.

Sad. Gimme gimme gimme.

Take what you get. Be grateful you can do tge things yoi do these days.

iGAM3R-VIII1243d ago (Edited 1243d ago )

Another person who trolls except this time either you are a PC fanboy or a Mobile Phone Gaming fanboy. That comment is just unessacary

SoapShoes1243d ago

What a mountain out of a mole hill. Not concerned at all, why should you be? The complaints here are all "what ifs".

MysticStrummer1243d ago

I just don't see the point of restricting the share button. People will post that same content anyway using other methods.

Lifebanisher1243d ago

even if they censor it people would just get a camera put it in front of the tv and keep recording that final boss, so what is the use if it's not gonna work? even if they put restrictions on scenes. imo, them announcing this and doing this will just fuel the spoiler community into doing the things developers wouldn't want.

in this generation you see people uploading the whole game on youtube or streaming it on twitchtv,nico nico and ustream already..

T21242d ago

Not sure how you got disagree there... Obviously every game is available to view on YouTube already

Anon19741243d ago

I say leave it up to the developers. If it were my game, and I was crafting some huge, cinematic experience, I don't think I would want just everyone sharing every last secret out on the net. It's probably going to happen anyway, but why make it easy for people to spoil plot points for your games?

It should be the developers choice. Some games it makes sense for, others I can see them not wanting to let everyone share everything.

DeadlyFire1243d ago

I think its mostly single player major story elements they are talking about blocking.

Multiplayer should be 100% shareable.

SegataSanshiro1243d ago

Holy Jesus, can someone explain to me what's happening in this article? There are youtube walkthroughs of every game in existence, full walkthroughs and how is this even an issue now? What's the difference? None! And I cant believe you Sony fangirls are actually defending the decision of censoring parts of the game! What's wrong with this website seriously! You people all live in a fairy tale!

T21242d ago

The only issue I have with your comment is how is it fanboys defending this ? I see two sides debating ... But you are right , everything is on YouTube , anyone disagree with that is naive

SegataSanshiro1240d ago

It's fanboyism because Sony Defense squad day that this is actually a good thing. Censoring is never a good thing no matter in what medium or at what time.

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Qrphe1243d ago

Nothing should be censored, if anything, there should be spoiler tags. Regardless, why take away features just because some aren't smart enough to not rush into every video/screenshot/comment they see?

Donnieboi1243d ago

Spoiler Tag--yeah, that sounds like a good work-around, if publishers try to use spoilers as an excuse. Good idea.

wishingW3L1243d ago

is not a good idea it's just... Common sense. lol

Conzul1243d ago (Edited 1243d ago )

Well said.

The only way I'll be able to stomach this kind of censorship is if it was time based. Like, if something epic or an awesome glitch happens near a spoiler/end and you happen to record it - I suppose I'd be ok with Sony locking the data from upload until a certain amount of time has passed since the game released. NOW THAT would be innovative, effective, and acceptable all at once.

In other words, it won't happen.

Edit: Oooh! They could remove or lessen this restriction for PS+ subscribers. Anything to make their paid service sweeter will help then next-gen.

Lifebanisher1243d ago

yeah why don't they just put an option where you can say it's a spoiler before uploading it on the share button..

yewles11243d ago

People don't realize the reason for this is because of copyright. Look at what's going on in YouTube as an example with people monetizing playthroughs and devs or pubs obstructing because of copyright infingement and such. Sony has to play it down the middle or else some pubs or devs won't put their games on the console. Whether we like it or not, the rights of developers and publishers come first.

Nate-Dog1243d ago

If that's the case then why is Yoshida saying that only some parts of a game may not be uploaded? If it was copyright reasons would that mean any footage of the game wouldn't be allowed? It won't look very well for Sony after marketing this ability for players to show off everything they've done if every developer can just click their fingers and say "nah don't want that".

yewles11243d ago

Not true, it could be a precious second or the whole shebang.

Whatever's blockable is entirely up to the creator's discretion. Whole vids of gameplay footage have taken down because of certain portions as opposed to the whole thing, afterwards it's then up to the uploader to negotiate what's allowable or not.

Muerte24941243d ago (Edited 1243d ago )

you can go to youtube right now and find full playthroughs of almost all new release from any publisher. I don't see why that would all of a sudden become a big deal now.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

On part of a full playthrough of Bioshock Infinite

part of full playthrough of Gears of War Judgement

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

God of war Ascension
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I named an exclusive from each system and a multiplatform title. All were uploaded some time ago and all of them still up. There goes your bogus claim of copyright infringement.

Qrphe1243d ago

I hadn't even thought of that but you're correct. But what if the shared content remained within the PS ecosystem? In other words, no YouTube/Facebook/Twitter sharing if the publisher decides against it.
The Let's Play community is huge and Sony should really capitalize on it. Limiting important aspects of it would be detrimental.

Conzul1243d ago

"Whether we like it or not, the rights of developers and publishers come first."

So you're saying devs and pubs are more equal than the rest of us. Niiiiiiiicccccceeee.

KwietStorm1243d ago

I'm subscribed to several people on YouTube who regularly have game content and walkthroughs, with ad placement. No problems there. This isn't YouTube anyway. Nobody is making money off their videos.

admiralvic1243d ago

While copyright is probably an element, I think it's simply there so no company can really complain about it. If you don't want someone to upload something, they can simply block it via this method. It won't stop people with HDPVR's, but that's still a smaller group than those who own said system.

joeorc1243d ago

"People don't realize the reason for this is because of copyright. Look at what's going on in YouTube as an example with people monetizing playthroughs and devs or pubs obstructing because of copyright infingement and such. Sony has to play it down the middle or else some pubs or devs won't put their games on the console. Whether we like it or not, the rights of developers and publishers come first."

100% agreement

Some one who freaking get's it!, Look while i do disagree with the basis of the censorship, there is limit's in everything of what you can do and say in a Public forum or in this case a public share video service Like Youtube. respecting the right's of the developer and publisher is just as important as it is for the consumer. I may not like some of those protections but i understand why they are there.

So its to be taken in stride, this is a freaking Hobby, you have to understand thing's may not always go your way, even if some of the reason's for doing such censorship is kinda pointless, but that's just the breaks.

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Arai1243d ago

I just read the article again (original interview with 4Gamer), the user has the option to show/not show a specific scene...e.g. last boss battle.

But developers can also choose to incorporate settings into their game so certain scenes can't be shared (think copyright issues with music for example).

Edge based their translation off 4Gamer interview and all other sites based their "articles" off Edge's translation.

Great journalism right there...it's half baked.
I guess them private Japanese lessons were good for something :P

GribbleGrunger1243d ago (Edited 1243d ago )

So we are basically complaining about a feature that wasn't there before because it doesn't live up to our expectations of it. Once you've run that through your heads a few times it's easy to see that this is just a manufactured complaint.

DragonKnight1243d ago

No. People are complaining about the implications of just what can be censored at the whim of the publisher. They are complaining about the idea that such censoring has the potential to make the Share feature pretty useless, and they are complaining about the fact that lame copyright B.S. could be a reason for censorship when all people want to do is what we all used to do as kids when we gamed, watch each game but on a larger scale.

GribbleGrunger1243d ago

If I have nothing and someone gave me something, I wouldn't then complain that the something wasn't what I wanted.

DragonKnight1243d ago

If you had nothing, and someone said you can have something, then later someone else said you can't use it completely as the way the first person told you it can be used, you would complain.

Utalkin2me1243d ago

But that someone hasn't even gave you something yet. He mentions what he is going to give you, and you automatically assume you have full use and can do as you please with it. The assuming is your fault, not anyone elses.

If someone gives you something and its not ideal of what you assumed it was going to be. Then you should be happy you just got something. Or you can not take it and go about your business.

DragonKnight1243d ago

Wow, I really can't believe there are people in here defending publisher censoring just because there wasn't previously a share option before. Apathy is what publishers love to see.

ZoyosJD1243d ago

The thing is that there always has been a share option and always will be. They're called game recorders.

Publishers have every right to request that youtube take every video of their games off youtube at any given time. Just look at any leaked footage that gets taken down in 2 min.

If you don't want to be restricted to this policy then you have every right give game makers the middle finger and not buy their games.

The truth is the only thing you have is a piece of plastic and the right to use it in a certain manner.

Don't believe me, the go read through that 50pg. agreement you skimmed over in 8 sec.

That's the problem here: people sign agreements (digitally or otherwise) left and right and try to act like they never had any implication, when these agreements are just as legally binding as the deed to your house.

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tubers1243d ago

And that's how you hamper industry growth.

raWfodog1243d ago

I agree. People just look for anything to complain about. How about waiting to see what ACTUALLY happens before getting upset over something which, at this point, is a non-issue.