Forbes: For the past console generation, the so-called “rivalry” between the PS3 and the Xbox 360 has been something of an unnecessary feud. There are risks to this however, on both sides.
"Sony ‘s PS4, but a narrative is starting to emerge. Sony is going to have a laserlike focus on games this time around, while Microsoft wants to create a device that everyone, gamers and non-gamers alike, will want to have in their living rooms." I kind of feel that's how it's been this generation. Sony trying to innovate and Microsoft launching the same 2-3 exclusives and a bunch of Kinect shovelware. Reading this article makes me think Microsoft will focus even less on games and turn the next X-Box into a big smartphone
it appears that there is a focus on TV this time around, i personally haven't watched TV in years i just use the internet but in places like America when you consider all of the rumours about the next xbox that have come up including always-on i actually think it could work and work well. but i feel that if it is the direction the next xbox is heading big compromises are being made to the gaming aspect of the console. we could possibly be ending up in an awkward situation where we have this amazing device that is confused between being a gaming console or a digital media tv set box thing.
You think that the always-on is a positive? You must be loving Sim City
I find it interesting that you haven't watched TV in years because I'm in exactly the same boat. My TV has been used solely for gaming and DVD/Blu-Ray movies for years now, and I can honestly say that I don't miss TV at all. Obviously people like you and I are in the minority, but I sometimes wonder just how many people have abandoned watching TV within the past few years and solely use the devices for gaming/movies.
I'm one of those ppl who have crappy internet and I don't think always online would work well. I wish someone who is for always online/think it will work, would tell me the benefit of always online for consumers.
@xHeavYx no i don't think always on is positive at all not in gaming atleast and i have made a fuss about always-on previously but being able to watch tv through the xbox and use the xbox to enhance your tv experience like say for example having a user interface that overlays on the program you are watching that allows you to record,rewind,browse the internet and whatnot makes sense i can imagine alot of families who would benefit from a device that brings together all forms of entertainment in one place like internet/Tv/gaming. i just feel that the next xbox will be guilty of trying too much, "jack of all trades master of none" kind of thing. anyway feels pretty weird talk about this knowing that the xbox reveal is in the 21st and everything said about it untill then my suddenly turn to bullshit including both my comments. can't wait next gen is looking exciting
Yup, there is nothing beneficial about always connected to internet if that ever happens. Keyword here is "optional" Whatever an always online can do, an offline device that connects to the net can also do it. Anyway, I don't get why they focus on TV channels if you already have cable TV channels. In america it maybe a success but the whole world? I don't think so. And to add, not everyone has or access to internet in their area. Some still use dial up. Sad but true. And yet MS is somehow giving a hint that people need to be forced with internet
Th next xbox wont get any penny from me. PS4 is the best you can get! Long live Free Online Gaming!
I'll laugh at people like you if Sony ends up charging to game online. I'm sticking with PC and probably a PS4, but I am still willing to wait and see what MS has planned for the next Xbox.
If you think PlayStation's online will be free next generation..i'm sorry to say you're in for a rude awakening.
I'm in the same boat, I recently dropped cable, because I'm barely home enough to watch it, and on top of that I watch like maybe 5 shows, which all seem to come on at different time throughout the year, so it made no sense for me to keep it. I watch everything online now, and while it may not be quite as simple and pressing "REC" on the DVR, I manage to do just fine, and don't miss cable and it's useless movie channels at all. Internet, Play-On, Netflix, Hulu, Red Box provide me with everything cable was and instead of paying nearly $200 a month (Internet / Phone / Cable), I pay $75 a month (Faster Internet / Use my Cell Phone / Netflix / Hulu / Red Box / Online TV), and I'll never go back until I get Google Fiber.
@jimbobwahey: There's been some research into that demographic group called "zero TV" in the US. Here's an article for starters http://www.dailycamera.com/... The number is still small but growing especially in Europe. I'm in the same boat: my TV isn't connected to any signal except my PS3 and PC. I don't miss it at the slightest. I was shocked to find out how expensive cable is in the US. A decent sattelite DVR service is 15-20 euros here and even that I say is a waste of money.
That's not so much about "yet another cable box" but the contracts with the networks. US is quite different than Europe. There are no all power networks in Europe. XMC is king there. MS will have a hard time to win that market. In the US, I can only see them win if they can have big network TV shows on their box - which won't happen any time soon, and I doubt those want to depend on MS. Can't see replacing it other cable boxes or TVs in general. And for the people who are capable, you can actually get everything for free... This is a gamble from MS. And I doubt it'll work.
@bganci/starchild - Why would Sony charge for online when it is the main draw to get Xbox gamers to convert to their console? Either of you thought of it that way? Probably not. If both companies charged for online gaming, Xbox fans would stick to Xbox, PS fans would stick to PS, and the rest would decide between by looking at where their friends are. If they don't charge for the basic online, and charge for further features, they are offering a major advantage over XBL, and are very likely to convert many Xbox fans that are sick of paying $50 a year for a service that frankly is not worth it, and creates a pay-wall for additional third party services like Netflix. On the other hand, if their is no pay wall for basic online, then third party partners are happier, and are more likely to develop their apps for the system, due to increased usage and contact with the consumer. This is the main reason why PS3 is the most used console for Netflix.
I'm another person whose TV is only for gaming and movies on disc or through Netflix. I've had cable and satellite TV in the past, but I haven't had either one in years and don't miss them at all. You guys that think SONY will charge for online gaming next gen are wrong in my opinion. Free basic online play is a major selling point for PS. I do think they will require PS+ for a lot of the social features of PS4 though.
starchild thought she came from the star.
I thought this article was actually a decent read but the usual comments follow about always on....ps4 is better, xbox is better..... Firstly, i will be buying both PS4 and 720 so no fanboy here.... They both WILL have their strengths and i just wish some of the fanboys would ask themselves a few questions.....especially sony fans who harp on about recent rumours..... Always online rumour - MS getting a lot of flack for this but what about the PS4? all of it's new functions are squarely related to being connected....gaikai, share button, video uploads etc....??? If PS4 isn't online you miss out? If you cannot be online you will miss out next gen no matter what system you have...you can still play games but not much else. DRM......From what i've heard both systems will have this but it will be up to the publisher to decide if the feature is used? Yet MS seems to be getting all the flack? we'll see May 21st! Kinect 2.0.....if implemented well this could be great for functionality. It doesn't really appeal to me for games but it is certainly a big plus for MS to have...... Sony including their new PS eye camera at their Feb Reveal shows they are trying to compete in some way with the device? You are foolish even if you dont like Kinect to think it hasn't been a success for MS. Xbox Live cost.....It works out to be $4-$5 a month for live and i'm happy to pay that for a superior online service.....Is PS+ a great service? Yes indeed offering better value (free games)? Yes but, live still is IMO a better online experience...Question to ask if you are a sony fan is....what cost will gaikai be? and when will gaikai be up and running? i would be surprised if it is within the first 6 months after launch? same goes for any MS products / services...... I cant wait for May 21st so we can see what MS have got to show us..... I just hope fanboys of both sides don't just rubbish their competitors without asking questions of the preferred console...???? I applaud sony so far for what they've shown us as they've look to have worked on their weaknesses from this gen. There are still a few questions that need some answering though... Will PS network still be free? Will PS+ add Gaikai content once up and running? When will Gaikai be up and running? Cost of Gaikai if not a PS+ member? DRM features available to publishers? My MS questions will come after May 21st....
focus on this focus on that. dont you people get bored writing the same stuff in the hope that you can persuade people not to buy an xbox? like someone wrote below, 90% of ALL games next gen will be on both consoles, the only difference there will be the exclusives. and in the real world, a good game is a good game no matter what the platform. just being an exclusive doesn't equal greatness. it's pretty pathetic how hard some people on here are trying
The only thing we know for sure is that one box has been revealed and the other hasn't.
"You think that the always-on is a positive? You must be loving Sim City" What a stupid comment. What, pray tell, is wrong with Sim City? Oh, thats right, it didn't work immediately, so people who don't own it and haven't played it don't like it. Meanwhile, thousands of happy customers are playing RIGHT NOW. tard.
So you think Microsoft shouldn't advertise all the other functions the next Xbox can do because you feel like it'll take away from games? Even though Microsoft has the most first party studios, and partnerships with the top third party studios? Since when did it become a bad thing to want to achieve something? Microsoft shouldn't be punished because they can afford to market their things to more people, all the third party games will be there, that makes up 90% of the market, so that 90% will be on the next Xbox no matter what. You don't think with 20 odd studios Microsoft will bother to make any games? Really? Is this really what is bothering people? Get over it! Microsoft and Sony and even Nintendo has entertainment features, and there is no wrong with that. I have never heard anyone say "I wish my iPhones could just make calls and nothing else". It'd be pointless, like everything gaming consoles have evolved, I'm sorry if a particular company advertising their's as more than just a gaming console worries you or bothers you, but to think they wont have games is just ridiculous.
20 studios? Wow, thats AMAZING!!! Sorry my memory is bad, could you list them and some of their previous projects for me? Thanks.
Maria beat me to it. So go ahead and answer her question, in the meantime, please order me a pizza using your VIDEO GAME machine
343 Industries – Halo series Connected Experiences – Untitled Project – Design Large scale multiplayer title and help other first party studios Good Science Studio – Kinect Adventures, Kinect Fun Labs Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment – Next generation fitness project - Original IP Microsoft Studios – Los Angeles – Next generation core cinematic title Microsoft Studios – Mobile Gaming – ilomilo Microsoft Studios – Redmond Publishing – Overseeing and co-developing multiple projects in conjunction with third party development studios Platform Next Studios – Next generation core title Playful Learning – Next generation family project Skybox Sports – Next generation sports project Turn 10 Studios – Forza Motorsport series Twisted Pixel Games – The Gunstringer, LocoCycle, Splosion Man, Ms Splosion Man, the Maw Xbox Live Productions – South Park Let's Go Tower Defense Play!, South Park: Tenorman's Revenge, Avatar Kinect Lionhead Studios – Fable series, Black & White series, Unannounced MMO-like New IP - (2 team studio - an unannounced next generation title) Lift London – Multiple Cloud Based gaming projects Rare Ltd. – Banjo-Kazooie series, Viva Piñata series, Perfect Dark series, Kinect Sports series- (3 team studio - Concurrent development of various titles) Soho Productions – Kinect Sesame Street TV Press Play – Max: The Curse of Brotherhood There ya go, 20 studios. I never said they were all core or well known, but 20 studios is impressive, and the core studios are around 12-14 I believe. So that's not too bad. I'll also add that Microsoft's first party studios had the best average score on Metacritic. For 2012, the games review aggregation site Metacritic gives the average of Microsoft games as 77.2 (out of 100), the highest score for a first-party publisher. The nearest ranked first-party publisher is Nintendo at 74.4 followed by Sony at 72.8.
I get your point and agree that there is nothing wrong with advertising other features. And I know MS will not let go of games as people say it would be. But what fears most gamers is that MS will just rely on third party and their first party games will not so much deliver since they are so busy with making xbox an entertainment device. And they may have many studios but are you sure that "All" of these studios create games only?? Some of them is just creating kinect games and apps. You can see gears judgement is the only exclusive they got right now. But I know what you will say next. Maybe MS is "Saving" exclusive IPs for 720. So it took them several years just to save and reveal exclusive games? I don't know if that's the case. You don't need 4 plus years to create a good game. Look at bethesda and bioware, creating games like mass effect and elders scrolls and it didn't took them very long to present a Sequel to the previous game.
Again, you are missing the point. No one is saying the next Xbox shouldn't have all of these other entertainment functions, or even games for casuals. If they can include all of this and it works for them, I say that's great. It's when apps, other forms of entertainment, and casual games start taking priority over core gaming, this is what gamers have a problem with. Look at what has happened the last 3 years with the 360. I don't see the next Xbox being any different. It's sad that Microsoft takes billions in from LIVE and all the ads on the dashboard every year, but rarely gives back to the gaming community that made the Xbox brand what it is. Microsoft could have one hundred internal studios, and we would still see nothing.
SCE Japan Studio – Ape Escape, Siren, LocoRoco, Patapon, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, The Last Guardian, Knack Polyphony Digital – Gran Turismo series, Tourist Trophy North America Naughty Dog – Crash Bandicoot series, Jak and Daxter series, Uncharted series, The Last of Us - Also home of the ICE Team SCE Santa Monica Studio – Kinetica, God of War series, PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale SCE San Diego Studio – MLB: The Show, ModNation Racers SCE Bend Studio – Syphon Filter, Resistance: Retribution, Uncharted: Golden Abyss SCE Foster City Studio - supported studio for SCE Worldwide Studios Sucker Punch Productions – Sly Cooper series, Infamous series Gaikai Sony Online Entertainment - EverQuest series, PlanetSide series, DC Universe Online Europe SCE London Studio – SingStar, EyeToy, PlayStation Home Guerrilla Cambridge – MediEvil, Killzone: Mercenary Evolution Studios – World Rally Championship, MotorStorm series Guerrilla Games – Killzone series Media Molecule – LittleBigPlanet series Asia Clap Hanz – Everybody's Golf series Cellius – Ridge Racer Vita North America Insomniac Games – Spyro The Dragon series, Ratchet & Clank series, Resistance series, Ready at Dawn Studios – God of War: Chains of Olympus, God of War: Ghost of Sparta, Daxter, God of War: Origins Collection Idol Minds – Pain, Ruin, Ratchet & Clank Collection Sanzaru Games - Secret Agent Clank, The Sly Collection, Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time Zindagi Games – Sports Champions, Medieval Moves: Deadmund's Quest Giant Sparrow - The Unfinished Swan, Edith Finch Europe Quantic Dream – Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls Tarsier Studios – Rag Doll Kung Fu: Fists of Plastic, LittleBigPlanet PS Vita Double Eleven – LittleBigPlanet PS Vita Novarama – Invizimals, Reality Fighters Supermassive Games – Start the Party!, Doctor Who: The Eternity Clock, Until Dawn, Tumble, walking with dinosaurs Plastic Games - Linger in Shadows, Datura Ovosonico With exception of a few they're all still there.
Some of the ones I listed are 2nd party.
@Jek_Porkins I understand what you are trying to say but I cannot agree with it when MS is involved. Not because they are MS, its how MS has applied their mantra to the gaming world. MS pretty much said, this is how it should be and you accept it and some people are taking it like it doesn't hurt. Their concepts has changed the gaming world for the good but some of their tactics are bad. The sad part about that last statement is that Some Individuals say Sony is bad for the gaming industry but yet MS blind sided these same individuals with all these bad tactics and no one sees it or complains about it. MS is always getting a free pass. To me it makes no sense to pay for a service you already receive. Last I checked, the internet is paid via my cable provider, so why do I have to pay additional money to pay for simple tactics I can get on another console with no fee. If I want additional content or features, I will pay for it. I am not taking any sides because I own both systems, but seriously, come on man! Also the gaming studios you listed, granted these are provided on Wikipedia but my problem lies in whats being produced from these studios. First I counted 16 studios. I know MS has one major studio as you showed but they are under the same entity not split out to 3. Similar to how Sony Japan Studios has several other companies under in different areas in Japan but they all report under one entity, SCE Japan Studios. To move forward, look at the games being produced by these divisions. Most of it is Kinect shovel-ware. This is obvious based on the type of game being produced. I doubt an aerobics game will be played via the controller. All I am trying to say is that sometimes it is quality over quantity. Also the other thing that people forget, Sony loves Indie developers. As you can see from the list that @MariaHelFutura applied, the 'Second Party' developers are working or worked on projects for Sony. This is how Sony finds most of its talent.
Half of which are Kinect titles. Lmfao. Buddy you just can't make up for the lack of proper exclusive titles on MS' site. Quality > quantity. Also, if your camp trys to catch up with Sony, it'll still be quite some time before you get there. Sit down for now, though. P.S: njoi Kinect 2.0
@Shuyin Exactly it's Quality > Quantity, never understood why Sony fanboys/girls(MariaHelFutura) make the argument Sony is better because of the amount of exclusives. Edit: Not dissing Sony just saying the argument itself is invalid, quality is mostly an opinion.
I never said what is better, I just listed them. People can come to their own conclusions, for all I care. I own all the current gen systems. I'm just not very fond of Microsoft's business practices in the industry.
I like how your list has more spaces and still manages to look shorter than Maria's. To each their own I guess.