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Solid Snake Explains Why 360 Can't Handle MGS4

IGN - There is a good reason why Metal Gear Solid 4 never came to 360, and who better to explain why than Solid Snake himself? (Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, PS3, Xbox 360)

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vishmarx  +   1013d ago
so mgs4 will inevitablebly end up on the 720 if disk space is the ONLY problem...
bye bye exclusivity
Qrphe  +   1013d ago | Well said
I doubt losing exclusivity of a 5-year old game is of little relevance. Just look at the sales of the Mass Effect Trilogy on PS3.
vishmarx  +   1013d ago
its about the whole series...

mgs2,mgs3,mgs4,peacewalker all were ps exclusives
Snookies12  +   1013d ago
@vishmarx - The MGS HD collection has MGS2, MGS3, and Peacewalker on 360 already though. So in actuality, only MGS4 is a PS exclusive now.
Hellsvacancy  +   1013d ago
MGS2 was on the original Xbox
abzdine  +   1013d ago
MGS4 was a true MG game with huge disc space needed for all cinematics and content. This makes me think that MGSV will be much smaller in terms of content and i really hope it will turn up to be a good game and not cut too many things just to make it fit on 2 DVDs
GrieverSoul  +   1013d ago | Intelligent
Anyone who played MGS4 knows why this game cant be ported to xbox360 or any other console besides a PlayStation branded one.

The amount of puns and nodes to bluray, apple, dvds, dualshock, mgs1 references, controls, buttons names being in the audio (triangle, dualshosk, square, etc...).

To sum it up, a port of this game would involve a lot of work to rearrange audio files (summon the original cast to recorde entire sentences) , ingame graphics (remove DS3 controller for MK control, apple logos, etc).

I mean, if the xbox or any other console got a MGS4 porto, it wouldnt bother me one bit, but from a cost perspective, I dont see Konami doing this, honestly. Better keep it on PlayStation.
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MastaMold  +   1013d ago
@vishmarx, only MGS and MGS4 are exclucives to PlayStaion. PirateThom knows wassup
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NarooN  +   1013d ago
Actually even MGS1 isn't a PS exclusive. It came out on PC as well.
MikeMyers  +   1013d ago
It would actually likely be 3 or 4 discs, not 7 like Hayter said. It also wouldn't be an issue swapping discs as the PS3 version wasn't seamless from chapter to chapter either. You had long waits in-between and going back to previous chapters wasn't very easy either.

I never understood why Sony never allowed full game installs. It was a stupid limitation. You had mandatory installs just to play but couldn't install the full game.

We may see a full MGS collection on the new Xbox and possibly all upscaled too, and on the PS4 one day. I also think MGS4 had an exclusive deal between Konami and Sony which also prevented it from being released on other platforms.
zeee  +   1013d ago
MGS4 is such an incredible game, I wish our brothers on 360 platform were able to play this game. Really, this is an awesome game! I even played the heck out of MGO!

If you own a PS3 and haven't played Metal Gear Solid 4 then I ask you, why are you reading this? Go grab a brand new copy! It's so cheap now :)

If you don't own a PS3 and were planning to buy one but still undecided then believe me, this and Uncharted series alone are going to give you the bang out of your bucks.

If you can't afford to buy a PS3 or just don't want to get one then I hope they'll release MGS4 on the next MS console. Every gamer should play this game :)

To quote my British friends... "Cheers mate!"
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stragomccloud  +   1013d ago
Except MGS2 substance was also on xbox and PC, and MGS3 showed up on the 3DS. Also the whole HD collection is also now on the 360.
fr0sty  +   1013d ago
@Mike Meyers

MGS4 filled a 50gb dual layer blu-ray. With 360 DVDs only being able to hold 7gb, it would take 7 dvds to equal 49GB.
Kurylo3d  +   1013d ago
Truth is the only reason it took up so much disc space is the silly fact that they didn't compress the videos or sound enough like they should have. Making the prerendered videos in game be dvd quality instead of blue ray quality... will hardly hurt the game. So yes there has to be another reason we are not seeing for it not being on xbox360. Certainly wasn't the "power of the ps3" The game, which I love, wasn't graphically significant.
MikeMyers  +   1013d ago
fr0sty, the size is actually closer to 32GB.

Kojima also said the 'WHOLE' collection would be on 6 discs for the Xbox 360 and 2 blurays for the PS3.
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fr0sty  +   1013d ago
Reducing the cinematics to DVD quality and dropping the audio from 8 channel uncompressed 24 bit to 6 channel compressed 16 bit does impact the gameplay quality, when you factor in that a very large portion of what creates the MGS gameplay experience are it's cinematics (it should be noted 360 is only capable of outputting 16 bit compressed audio in surround, either in Dolby Digital or DTS.). Reducing those to DVD quality on an HD game being played on an HDTV is creating a lower quality experience than what Kojima envisioned for the series.

Koji has always been a perfectionist, even making his artists pay attention to small details like the breath coming out of snake's mouth being visible in the cold outdoor levels of MGS1. To ask him to take the cinematics he spent all that time directing and producing and reduce their pixel count by 6 times just so it can fit onto a few DVDs is too much for him to stomach. He wants MGS4 to be experienced as it was meant to be, and only as it was meant to be.

@Mike, yeah, 5 DVDs would have likely held the game, but still far too much to bother with. Changing discs after every section pretty much, and having to worry about losing a section or it getting scratched. I can see why Kojima just didn't bother. Not to mention all the playstation specific content written into the dialogue.
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insomnium2  +   1013d ago

Actually in case you don't know MGS 4 now has full install option. It was patched in along with trophies.
MikeMyers  +   1013d ago
I would think the majority of console gamers either don't care or notice the difference in audio quality going from DTS Master to DD 5.1. Most people don't even care about ITunes music quality and AAC compared to lossless codecs like WAVE and flac.

As I said, the PS3 game does not benefit much by being on one disc anyways. It must have a partial install that takes awhile and in-between chapters there are also long loading times. You could easily swap discs much faster.

The real problem is Microsoft charges higher royalties for games that require more than 2 discs. MGS also sells much better on the Playstation than the Xbox due to its history and Japanese consumer support. It also has bits and pieces that reflect the PS3 hardware built in. I think there was a partnership between Konami and Sony for why it was never ported. What stopped it from coming to the PC?

Needless to say it won't be coming to the Xbox 360.


Thanks for the update but what is the install size then?

According to this its only just over 9GB.
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_-EDMIX-_  +   1013d ago
@adzdine- one would think that but I think with Kojima's pedigree he's shown that he won't jeopardize one of his games just for the sake of going multiplatform. he even build this new engine specifically to be scalable across systems. another thing to note Metal Gear Solid 5 is open world like MGS3 it's very likely that Kojima got Microsoft to allow him to do an install.

@ the rest. weather its 32 gigs 40 gigs 50 gigs it doesnt matter its the fact that it's bigger than the normal DVD9. weather the game was cut into segments, compressed uncompressed at the end of the day it doesn't matter they need space to make a damn game. many people that keep questioning what the team could have done to compress or limit the game to fit on DVD 9 seem to be almost delusional you guys do understand that Metal Gear Solid 3 used the same space that fits on a DVD 9?

think about it like this would you asked square to limit, take away, compress hinder Final Fantasy 7 to fit on the N64? I don't think anyone needs to ask a creator to begin changing their damn game to fit on a dated format.

games like Killzone 2/3 Metal Gear Solid 4, LA noire, Gran Turismo 5, uncharted, The Last of Us, Max Payne 3 etc are not just unusually large uncompressed games. they are actually very natural progression of gaming. we used DVDs last generation and we used DVDs this generation how is that progression?
So you're asking for sequels to gta san andreas and Metal Gear Solid 3 but you want them on DVD again?

so exactly how is the game supposed to progress or add on new features all while using the same damn space?

you want to know why GTAIV sucked and why Final Fantasy 13 is the worst in the series? here's a hint they're not the creators of Metal Gear Solid or Kojima. you either make it on one platform it capable of being made on or you force Microsoft's hand to allow an install. what upsets me the most is I truly believe that Rockstar could have gone Microsoft to allow such a thing Square could have as well. instead we saw both games in the series Limited hindered in made with 8 gigs in mind.
I'm a gamer before anything else, there's just no excuse for this. remember why Final Fantasy 7 never made on the N64. I'm sorry but any fool that thinks Square should limit in hinder Final Fantasy 7 to fit on 78 Mb iis mad. I would rather have what would initially p Final Fantasy 7 and have 0 n64 version if it meant keeping the integrity of the game. at the end of the day I'll take a game on one platform that's 100 percent then a game on two platforms that's 20 percent.

remember games this generation were being made with 8 gigs in mind because they had no choice.
BitbyDeath  +   1013d ago
@ the 46 second mark they say "MGS4 will require 7 discs on the system"
MikeMyers  +   1012d ago
_-EDMIX-_, Final Fantasy was also on multiple discs on Playstation systems. In fact FFVII was on 3 discs wasn't it? Wasn't that game also the most popular?

MGS4 could easily have been on multiple discs since the game on the PS3 was already broken up into chapters with long load times. I think some of you people are making it a bigger issue than it really is having games on multiple discs. The PS2 had games on multiple discs too yet people didn't seem to complain as much back then. Some games like Star Ocean were broken up poorly on the Xbox 360 so yes, at times the DVD format does severely hurt the game but that is also largely due to Microsoft not having a hard drive on every system. I think that is a bigger problem than the DVD format. How many PC games use bluray?

"they are actually very natural progression of gaming. we used DVDs last generation and we used DVDs this generation how is that progression?"

Isn't the PS4 also using bluray? How is that progression? Shouldn't we be using holographic discs? The Xbox 360 was the first system. It came out a year before the PS4 and it also never cost $500 for a basic model or $600 for the preferred model. It was $300-400. The Wii never used bluray either. Neither did PC games. Sony was the only one and the consumer paid a hefty fee for one a year after the Xbox 360 came out. In 2005 it would have added the price way too high to have a HD-DVD or bluray drive in every system.

GTAIV sucked? Now that's funny. You're whole ramble reeks of ignorance. You can also buy PS3 exclusives on the PS3 store. You don't need bluray to play them either.

BitbyDeath, isn't that from Hayter, a voice actor? I already showed the link to what Kojima said.
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TheLyonKing  +   1013d ago
It doesn't really matter too much mgs hasn't always been on ps it's been on GameCube I think it was and the mgs HD collection is on Xbox so really doesn't matter.

It's kinda like FF it went multi but most of the sales were on PS will be same with mgs I think.
Qrphe  +   1013d ago
Although many got to know MGS through PlayStation, MGS was also released on the Dreamcast (it also had a Gameboy Color port [no, really it did]).
PirateThom  +   1013d ago
MGS was not released on Dreamcast, there was a thing called "Bleemcast" was basically let the Dreamcast play PS1 games.

The GBC game, also, wasn't a port, it was a brand new game. It's actually an alternative story to MGS and branches from the timeline. It takes place after Metal Gear.
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Black-Rock-Shooter  +   1013d ago
There is also a PC port...
Cueil  +   1013d ago
original MGS 1 was on PC and PS1... 2 was on PS2, Xbox and 3 was PS2 only until the recent rerelease... what's annoying is that the reason that people sited 4 not being on the 360 is backwards from 3... that was exclusively released on the weakest console last gen
j-blaze  +   1013d ago
yup Kojima said it's because the disk space, MGS is not a Sony owned ip nor they're the publishers, MGS4 will come to other consoles sooner or later
Minato-Namikaze  +   1013d ago
Next gen maybe on the 720, but at that point why bother? I'd rather he work on ZOE 3
noctis_lumia  +   1012d ago
keep dreaming buddy
anw even mgs1,mgs2 mgs3,mgs hd was a total disaster in terms of sdales on pc's and xbox,xbox 360 compared tp sony consoles which sold 4 to 1 compared to any other platforms

mgs will always be remembered as a ps brand nuff said.

its like mass effect... it is know as a ms ip
DigitalRaptor  +   1010d ago
Do you think they'll remove the Blu-ray/PS3 joke?
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Jigga69  +   1013d ago
Too late and I dare say already old gen. It's like MGS 2 HD on 360, nobody cares : too old because people who wanted the game already finished it.

MGS4 was cool... but seems totally irrelevant now when you see Beyond Two Souls ou THe Last Of Us.
vishmarx  +   1013d ago
i agree.
the programming of the game was rather odd...
changing controllers,ps1 emualtion,that splitscreen scenario...
that cant be simple
HeavenlySnipes  +   1013d ago
And the fact that the game was made for the cell processor. It will be very time consuming to port the game to a different architecture. Also pointless, seeing how the game is 5 years old and all and they won't be making much profit off of it
josephayal  +   1013d ago
Im glad Microsoft are using Blu- Rays for the next gen, I hope they do bring out MGS4 on 720
GraveLord  +   1013d ago
Like anyone cares anymore lmfao. Don't hold your breath though.
kayoss  +   1013d ago
Well just think it as this way. Us PS3 fans were graced with Mass Effect series which were PC and Xbox exclusive. If the MG series goes to the 720 that would be fine. Maybe just Maybe Bungie will release the Halo series on the Playstation. I know its wishful thinking, but who knows.
shadow2797  +   1013d ago
Microsoft own the IP rights to Halo. It will always be exclusive unless they do a PC version.
IAmLee  +   1013d ago
yeah, it'll be getting released around about the same time as Halo 5 on the PS4...

ijust2good  +   1013d ago
They will elease it for Xbox 720 as a lunch title
ZBlacktt  +   1013d ago
The last time a new MS console came out. We had years of RROD. Lets not have MGS4 kill the new one, lol...
KwietStorm  +   1013d ago
Yes, exclusives. What's your point? I'm not going to sit here and list the 360 exclusives that went to PS3 in a subtle generation, because that would be childish. Do you take some kind of joy in a console "Losing" an exclusive?
TheThing  +   1013d ago
so there you have it, don't bother with the legacy collection because a 1080p 60 fps collection is going to come out anyways.
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CryofSilence  +   1013d ago
Does not compute.
Gaming_Guru  +   1013d ago
At: vishmarx

Your comment would be a perfect example of someone being a bias fanatic, so instead of buying it on the PS3 to enjoy it, you would rather wait for it to possibly hit other platforms in the next generation?

For the fact the Cell speaks a completely different language than any other platform - that most developers found difficult - they would have to rewrite the whole code just to make it possible.
Neo-Axl  +   1013d ago
Doubt it, they would have to remove the in-game Apple computers that are featured in cut scenes & game play, as well as the PSP Sunny plays with, the PS3 in the Nomad, the Sony mobile phones, and the Dualshock 3 controller Snake uses to control Mk.2.

Oh! and the PS3 codec call Otacon gives you during Chapter 4, MGS4 isn't going anywhere I'm afraid.
TBONEJF  +   1013d ago
FYI IT PLAYED IN FULL HD 1080P. not 720P stop being a troll. its the BEST EXCLUSIVE ON the PS3. you're system wasn't even design too play it on the xbox 360
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ATi_Elite  +   1012d ago
The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race
MGS4 plays very well on my PS3 Emulator and in 1080p too.
ps3_pwns  +   1012d ago
mgs4 is awesome buy a ps3 and play it. dont know how people can skip it and be hyped about metal gear solid ground zeroes. you arent really a fan of mgs if your skipping games so dont try to act like you are hyped for the new mgs games if you cant or dont even play the old ones. kind of dumb.
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   1013d ago
Hopefully.360 missing out on one of the best this gen because of shameful dvd.

tsk tsk
LOL_WUT  +   1013d ago
Well that settles it ;)
DivineAssault  +   1013d ago
MS has to adopt a new disc format.. Its inevitable for them to use blu ray or have some type of proprietary disc.. Even wii u has blu rays so i dont see how MS can dodge the situation unless they go full digital which is suicide.. Flash cards maybe? but there goes the blu ray movie playback.. Ya, theyre going blu ray or going home in tears
Godmars290  +   1013d ago
The thing is if its true that their next system will only run games off the HDD, that disc based titles will only be installed, then MS could very well keep using DVDs. It wont really matter besides esthetics.
DivineAssault  +   1013d ago
they could but many people will want to watch their blu ray movies on the device so they need it.. In 2016 or so, less people will be using dvds for their movies.. They can always buy a cheap blu ray player but thats just more clutter for the living room.. PS4 would end up a better choice as an all in one device
GalacticEmpire  +   1013d ago
"...unless they go full digital which is suicide"

Never go full digital
sherimae2413  +   1013d ago
slippery snake, huh ^_^
MasterCornholio  +   1013d ago
Well thats what you get for sticking with DVD9 instead of Bluray. But i honestly doubt that the new XBOX will stick with the old format.
LightofDarkness  +   1013d ago
The 360 was released in 2005, so Blu-Ray was out of the question at that point.

If the original SKU didn't have a BR drive, there'd be almost no point in including it in later SKUs, as the original adopters would have lost out on any software made exclusively for BR and no developer would want to split their potential market.

The choice never really came back to haunt them, either. Being the first one out of the gate granted them an early lead that stayed with them for many years and put them at relative parity with Sony in terms of console/machine market share, while they enjoy a very comfortable lead in terms of software sales to date. Waiting for BR drives would have made that impossible. The 360 was a smashing success for them, regardless of any perceived poor choices.

We'll have to wait and see if the 720 can continue that trend, but you can be sure that they'll have some BR derived high capacity format for their next machine.
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nunley33  +   1012d ago
Well HD-DVD was an option for MS at least over DVD, i can understand why they didn't go with blu-ray. MS had publicly picked HD-DVD over Blu-Ray during that time but HD-DVD would've delayed the system probably and getting it out early was more important to them.
Snookies12  +   1013d ago
Dang, I was hoping they'd have old Snake on the screen talking to fans to explain the situation. I would have loved that lol.
CEOSteveBallmer  +   1013d ago
Well not only disc space but there are content in it like otacon talking to snake about "Bluray", When controlling the Mk II snake is seen holding a "PS3" controller and they need to get that out, then When fighting Psycho mantis there is this images of PSone and dualshock one on the background then on the Nomad ship you can see a PS3 on the table and sunny is playing a PSP playing penguin adventure. So I dont think so. And I think konami just wants more money and 360 fanboys wants another piece of PS3 games. Good thing Hideo kojima knows what hes doing. And MGSV is coming to Xbox, isnt that enough right? xbox fans should be happy because metal gear is no longer exclusive like final fantasy and resident evil.
Agent_hitman  +   1013d ago
I believe the reason why MGS4 didn't released on Xbox 360 including this Legacy collection is because, MGS4 development was also funded by Sony.
NBT91  +   1013d ago
"Too enormous" hurrr durrr that's what she said urrr.

Eh. Fair enough I guess. That is the reason Koijma has always given and he is sticking to it.
I mean imagine the codec call with Otacon from MGS4 on the 360 "Hold it Snake. Time to change the disc! I know, it's a pain, but you need to insert the disc labelled disc six. Do you see a disc labelled disc six?"
"...Yeah. I do actually."

Does worry me about MGSV though... How is that able to be on 360 but MGS4 isn't?
Nate-Dog  +   1013d ago
Presumably it will use compressed audio unlike MGS4 which will save tons of space.
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jay2  +   1013d ago
Aww, was hoping for Snakes voice :(.
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fsfsxii  +   1013d ago
I doubt Xbox will see MGS4, the development was funded by Konami AND sony. so no.
sway_z  +   1013d ago
I think 360 can handle MGS4, at least the game engine side of things. It's the loooooong cutscenes that DVD9 cannot contain. I don't think Kojima likes the idea of a multi-disc edition.

But what about a download version for those who can spare the 50GB of HDD space available. It's not impossible since I have Downloaded Mass Effect 3 off the PSN and that game was like 14GB, but you were required to have a minimum 30GB to D/L it, as that is the (strange) way PSN works on PS3.

SO MGS4 could be done, but why should Kojima bother?...7 discs is ridiculous, and a 50GB download could exceed most peoples broadband allowance, unless unlimited.

Next Xbox/PS4 could get an enhanced directors cut of MGS4 at some stage....who knows?

MGS4 is 5 years old now, yet that is the one game that made me fully realize we are (were) truly in the next gen.
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Dark_Overlord  +   1013d ago
"It's not impossible since I have Downloaded Mass Effect 3 off the PSN and that game was like 14GB, but you were required to have a minimum 30GB to D/L it, as that is the (strange) way PSN works on PS3. "

Actually its not strange at all, the files you download from the PSN are an installer (not sure if its compressed or not), the files have to be extracted completely before the installer can be deleted. PC's do this too.

Quick example, get a zip or rar file, extract the contents. Take a look you've just taken up at least double the space :)
sway_z  +   1013d ago
Okay, that part of my comment was made with ignorance, thank you for putting me straight...but the article was about MGS5 on 360...

But thanks anyway :)
Gamer Muzz  +   1013d ago
A compressed version of the game could be stored on an HDD and take up a whole lot less space than 50gb and play just like the original.
Also, the game could easily be made on as few as few as two DVD9s with a mandatory install (like the PS3 has)

Also, you're right about the 360 being able to play the game itself. Kojima said before that the 360 is capable. In the end, the bigger problem would be eliminating/changing all the PS3/sony references in the game.
hesido  +   1013d ago
MGS4 was a very good game, however, making fun of Xbox was uncalled for, especially because of installations between chapters. Waiting 15 minutes between chapters is worse than swapping dvd's. I remember not being able to play it along my brother because we would be in different levels which meant we had to install the related chapter anytime we switched. We gave up and only one of us finished it at the time. They surely could have done a better job at streaming.
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Minato-Namikaze  +   1013d ago
The problem was that back then HDD sizes on the PS3 werent big enough. With the re-release that problem has been solved and you can just install the game once and be down with it.
hesido  +   1013d ago
That's cool. I still have MGS4, do they have a patch that fixes this for people like me? (Tho my harddisk is filled with PSN stuff, I wouldn't complain if they did streaming like uncharted...)
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tommygunzII  +   1013d ago
Yes even if you have the original disc you will need to patch the game for ver 2.0 with trophy support. Then install all of the game data in one shot.
Minato-Namikaze  +   1013d ago
Yes, when you boot up the game you get the trophy patch and another patch which allows you to do the full install (provided you have enough space of course). The re-release was just to try to get new people to buy the game.
Z501  +   1013d ago
"Waiting 15 minutes between chapters" <--- It's 2013. Why are people still lying/exaggerating about this?
kayoss  +   1013d ago
Yeah 15min is excessively a long time. When i played, I think the longest i have to wait was near the 1 min mark. 15 min? i would have tossed the damn PS3 out and through the window.
hesido  +   1013d ago
Well, it's been quite a long time, and all I remember was it was too tedious for me to go back to previous chapters. Don't take my words as a final benchmark to MGS4 install times!

Now I'm looking at the net and the full install takes about 10 minutes at most, but I certainly remember mine took long and there are folks on the internet whose chapter install times are longer than the full install. I may be one of those, don't be too hard on me!
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zebramocha  +   1013d ago
@hesido the longest wait is in the first chapter,if I remember right it's light 5 or 8 mins long.
KillrateOmega  +   1013d ago
I'm Disappointed
I was expecting this to be done in Snake's voice...
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illtornworld  +   1013d ago
As much as this hurts me to say this i nolonger care, Kojima San is just like everyone else, MONEY HUNGRY, if it wasnt for us the PlayStation fans Metal Gear Solid would have been nothing. the entire series would have died, and thats a fact, i gurantee the next xbox will get the Legacy edition, just look at new metal gear, i heard David Hayter isnt the voice :o MGS has turned into Resident Evil and Devil May Cry...
o-Sunny-o  +   1013d ago
Remove all the nostalgic jokes and take off Psycho Mantis part. Take off Otacons joke and remove MGS1 part from the game. It'll be ready for the Xbox. Boy that sounds kinda like **** right?
Master of Unlocking  +   1013d ago
josephayal + 1h ago
Im glad Microsoft are using Blu- Rays for the next gen
Erm, say what???
Do you have more info on that please?
wheresmymonkey  +   1013d ago
MGS 4 is 28gb on the ps3 with every language on the sun included on the disc and very little compression.

Each 360 disc and hold just over 8gb of data. so in theory with a little squeezing and lacalising of the actual media. you could fit the whole game on 3 discs, Four max.

Considering its broken down into chapters it wouldn't be the end of the world having to change discs anyway.

TlDR. Konami just dont want to.
Dark_Overlord  +   1013d ago
I would say 4 would be the minimum, you have to factor in that the base game engine would need to be present on each disc too :)

Though I suppose if they just released a localised version for each area (1 language), heavily compressed the audio down (I'm positive the audio is uncompressed) and remove all the PS references, it 'MAY' be possible to fit MGS4 on 3 discs
isyourhouseonfire  +   1013d ago
Geeez, no one frickin plays this series anymore. Stop producing it!!
Shnooze  +   1013d ago
I see you only have one bubble. I can guess why now that I've read this comment.
Kaneda  +   1013d ago
XBOX 720 is using HDDVD format.. LOL!
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mikemadden  +   1013d ago
How funny would it be if it takes the next xbox to run MGS4 when ps3 owners have been enjoying the game for years now. LOL.
Gamer Muzz  +   1013d ago
7 discs is totally inaccurate. It could totally be done on 3. Let me explain my logic.
A DVD9 can hold up to 8.54gb.
So, 7 discs would be 59.78gb The BD doesn't hold that much right off, there's more than 1 DVD less than 7.
Also, on the BD a great deal of the MGS4 (or any game for that matter) data is uncompressed (for faster read times) where as DVD compression Technology would allow for the compression of much more Data than on the BD.
And of course that would be assuming that MGS4 fills up the entire 50gb BD.
I would be willing to guess that if it had a mandatory 5gb install on the 360 as it does in the PS3, it could even be done on 2 discs.
To say the game would take 7 DVDs is just Kojima making it sound like there's more to it than there actually is. It's hype folks. I'd have thought more gamers were hip to that stuff by now. LOL

All the Sony references in the game are a far better reason not to port it. Changing all that would be a far more formidable task.

Lastly, For those who are silly enough to think that the 360 isn't powerful enough to run MGS4, You're dead wrong. In fact, Kojima himself said that it could.
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yewles1  +   1013d ago
An XBOX 360 disc originally held 6.8GB due to security coding to prevent hacking. In 2011, MS upgraded the disc size to 7.9GB for XGD3 format.

Also, multi-disc games have to were worry about redundant assets that have to be on all discs for smooth transitions when swapping, making games unnecessarily bigger.

Oh, and this:
"Also, on the BD a great deal of the MGS4 (or any game for that matter) data is uncompressed (for faster read times) where as DVD compression Technology would allow for the compression of much more Data than on the BD."
Bollocks when there's a number of PS3 games that run faster.

"Lastly, For those who are silly enough to think that the 360 isn't powerful enough to run MGS4"...

Uncharted 1 already looked better than MGS4, and it came out before hand.
Gamer Muzz  +   1012d ago
ok, lets say 7.9gb per disc. Thats still 55.3gb (The difference is only .64gb) for 7 discs. 5.3gb more than a BD can hold.
So once again, subtract almost 1 disc from that estimate of 7.

It's really not "Bollocks" at all. Most of the data on all PS3 games is uncompressed for faster read times. It's a known fact. I read about it ages ago in Ars Technica (while MGS4 was in production)and it hasn't changed since then as the hardware specs on the console have not changed.

This is why a lot of PS3 games have mandatory installs. Speaking of redundancies, as stated in the article above, this has also been done on PS3 games (Oblivion for example) to make load times faster.
Add an install to a 360 version of the game and it could easily be a 3 disc game. Maybe even 2 disc.
Not sure why you're so combative to that fact.

OK, so who said anything about uncharted? I was talking about those who say the 360 cant run MGS4. Then you throw Uncharted in like it's a relevant point. LOL
For all that, Tomb Raider is superior to uncharted 1 and looks fantastic on both the 360 and PS3. so your point there isn't very valid anyway. Unless you're trying to say the PS3 is THAT superior. which is also not true. But don't take my word for it, How about the word of Dave Shippy? He was the main guy behind the microprocessors that ended up in both the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3. Shippy said that the PS3 and 360 are fairly equal. So there ya go.

The fact is, there could be a 360 version of MGS4 on the 360 that would take up 3 discs max and still maintain the visual integrity of the original.
It's not that big a deal dude.
yewles1  +   1012d ago
It is bollocks because a good number of PS3 games like the aforementioned Uncharted don't go through ANY of stupidity that was mentioned in an article that was published before the release of such games, thus debunking it wholly.

I brought up Uncharted because the truth IS that MGS really wasn't that graphically that impressive to begin with.

And you're going to ask me to take the word of a guy that only worked on the PPE architecture that made it over to the 360 over Peter Hofstee?

Stop using outdated and debunked analogies when real world results prove them wrong in the long run.
Bosna98  +   1013d ago
It's a shame really..
Jamaicangmr  +   1013d ago
To the grave
Microsofts decision to stick with DVD is haunting the Xbox360 to the very end. I hope they learned that the way is blu for the next one.
breakpad  +   1013d ago
Ok there is also another reason that Kojima didnt say but he had told it when MGS4 was released engine ,X360 couldnt handle MGS 4 engine (you may think or KOjima has stated the opposite(changes his opinion a lot) but its the bitter truth) ....the same reason why MGRising was given to PLatinum games (MGR originally used an improved MGS4 grafiks engine which was impossible to be imported on X360)....MGS4 engine built specifically for PS3..only NextXbox may see MGS4 but i doubt
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2pacalypsenow  +   1013d ago
Funny when MGS was mostly on PlayStation everyone hated it and said it was a movie and now that its multiplat everyone is excited for it??? pathetic
Psychotica  +   1013d ago
Everyone hated it? I don't think so..
killzone619  +   1012d ago
MGS4 shits on an xbox game. a 30 minute cutscene isnt a movie.
GdaTyler  +   1013d ago
F*ck yeah, David Hayter!
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