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What happens when pirates play a game development simulator and then go bankrupt because of piracy?

Greenheartgames: When we released our very first game, Game Dev Tycoon (for Mac, Windows and Linux) yesterday, we did something unusual and as far as I know unique. We released a cracked version of the game ourselves, minutes after opening our Store.

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forcefullpower1312d ago (Edited 1312d ago )

This is what a lot of Genuine buyers are fed up with inserting DRM just for the game to hacked and easier to play for the pirates than the genuine consumers.

I still remember to this day buying games and still having to go to game copy world to get the no CD crack.

Kurylo3d1312d ago (Edited 1312d ago )

sadly, there are too many people who make the excuse" I wouldnt have bought it anyway".... well if u were never going to buy it, why do u feel u deserve to play it free?

You dont ride a rollercoaster and then say i dont feel like spending my money on a ticket for the ride now that its over.

This is pretty much why we need a platform like valve steam to connect to and verify the copy is legit before you start playing. Sad truth.

SgtFuzzy-T1312d ago

you must have read the article the that was posted on here this morning ;)

Hydralysk1312d ago (Edited 1312d ago )

Piracy is going to happen no matter what. I've got nothing against Steam but having to connect and verify that you own a game still screws anyone without a constant internet connection.

Steam has an Offline mode, but really not many games of mine have worked when I've tried using it.

I'd much rather companies went with the GOG route, no DRM at all, you buy the game, and you can make as many backups as you want. You can't match pirates in terms of price, nothing's going to compete with free, so you might as well match them in terms of convenience.

kostchtchie_1312d ago (Edited 1312d ago )

Why what does steam do? steam don't do shit, all steam games are cracked, only thing steam does is force legit gamers make an account to install there bought game

As for DRM it hurts none but LEGIT GAMERS, developers know this yet they still use it, why is that?

if that game can be cracked and pirated anyway why still use DRM?, because they want that shit in there games that is why

same reason they get away with selling chopped down games with DLC on day one, it used be you unlock stuff after completing your games, now we have to pay for it

developers have become greedier and gamers have become stingier, there is fine balance there i believe

nukeitall1312d ago

@kostchtchie_:

"As for DRM it hurts none but LEGIT GAMERS, developers know this yet they still use it, why is that?"

That isn't entirely true. The fact of the matter is that it prevents casual copying, between friends that has little technical skills or don't want the risk of getting viruses downloading things online.

It does minimize it at least "minimally", and is pretty much the only tool the game developer has to fight piracy.

I think the best way to get stamp out piracy is to give the consumer something so compelling they will be willing to be "always online" to get it i.e. online multiplayer games or something similar. For instance, super awesome stats or something.

Piracy will always exist, but I love how game devs will leak their own game and confuse the pirate. If you make it such a hassle to pirate and at the same time make it easy to purchase, you might have a winner!

nypifisel1312d ago

So just because gamers are more educated today and won't buy games without a certainty that they like it they don't deserve to play it? It's a farce for publishers/developers to profit from games that honestly don't really appeal to that many people but before they bought it anyway cause there were far less likely they'd know whether it would be a game for them or not.

A pirated copy is not a lost sale, it could be a future customer however if they liked what they downloaded. All the great games always turn huge profit, with the game being easy to pirate and all. Consumers are willing to pay for a good product - the service is a lot better for a bought game than a pirated one, with automated updates, no fiddling etc etc, consumers are willing to pay for this if the product is good enough.

SgtFuzzy-T1312d ago

as for steam I never think of steam as a DRM- I think of it more as a cataloguing system. i Just need to activate it, then I can play and bring my games anywhere I want. Offline mode works great for me when I'm using my laptop on travels. and when I'm visiting friends for the weekend I can load my games onto their computers and we can get some CS going on

Great system

aliengmr1312d ago

The "wouldn't have purchased the game anyway" argument comes from the idea of what amount of sales are actually lost because of piracy.

There are a certain group of people who only pirate games and never buy them, so whats been lost? Whether they played it or not is irrelevant.

I'm not making a case for piracy, but its a very convoluted issue when you get into it.

Piracy exists and will always exist. There is nothing that will stop it.

@kostchtchie_

Games are getting more and more expensive to produce, thus require more and more sales. Its more about wasting money on development than greed.

SilentNegotiator1312d ago (Edited 1312d ago )

I agreed with everything you said until you claimed that we "need" Steam DRM. While I agree that people don't deserve to pirate a game because they wouldn't have paid anyway, restricting the legitimate users isn't the way to fix the problem.

I mean, you're aware piracy happens on PC, too, regardless of Steam, right? In fact, publishers seems infinitely more afraid of piracy on PC than any other system.

ChronoJoe1312d ago

Steam isn't at all effective DRM Kuryo, there are cracked copies of every game on steam. As in, the Steam versions of them, you can even run them through steam itself, whilst online.

DRM or forcing closed platforms into open ones (ie steam on linux) aren't answers to the piracy problem. Developers should adopt new business models and develop games more suited to these less secure platforms. F2P and Online only models are good examples.

fatstarr1312d ago

I know plenty of people that pirate to try and pay if its not shit tier.

IMO if they werent gonna buy it its the same thing as pirating it because the company wouldnt have gotten the money in the first place. in piracy's case it can advertise and some people will donate directly to the company to cut out the middle man in their profits.

JackBNimble1312d ago

@ Hydralysk

You're full of it... I can always play any game in offline mode on steam if the game doesn't require an online connection.

yess1311d ago (Edited 1311d ago )

aliengmr@

"There are a certain group of people who only pirate games and never buy them, so whats been lost? Whether they played it or not is irrelevant."

Wrong, it is relevant, cause you play the game to entertain your self, even though you don't like it.

It's like, you go to a car dealer and steal a car, you then use it to get from A to B for several days even though you don't like the car, you then take the car apart and put it in the trash bin, cause in your opinion, it's just a copy and you wouldn't have bought it anyway, but you still used the car to get from A to B.

Point is, it's not the actual game you want, it's the entertainment in the game, with the car it's the mean of transportation, the game and the car itself are just the container of entertainment and transportation.

nix1311d ago

@up somewhere:

i bought couple of games from steam/apple store for macbook and my friend just copied those files to his macbook and was able to play.

i was like 'wtf'.

steve30x1311d ago (Edited 1311d ago )

Sadly some developers see every single pirated copy of their game as a lost sale which isnt true and sadly some developers couldnt be bothered giving us a demo making the sad excuse that we wont download the demo. I bet if theres a demo for a game and the demo makes the game look good then the piracy of said game will be reduced a bit. Its not the complete cure for piracy but it will help.

Ive bought a few games based on the demos of the games but with the past few years we see 1 out of 50 games with a PC demo now a days.

FriedGoat1311d ago (Edited 1311d ago )

It would be good if the pirated version of the game actually showed reflected the torrent stats to sales. It would show that the game still makes a profit. People might say "oh yeah all pirates say they wouldn't buy it" its true... they wouldn't, even if a crack isn't available.

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turgore1311d ago

I would buy some games if they are cheap enough. For example, I had little interest in some games, but gave them a try because they were cheap or free on PS+.
If they want sales, they should stop being greedy and stop charging full price for some games that don't deserve it.

Hayabusa 1171311d ago

The problem isn't piracy, the problem is money. All information should be free and shared freely.

Christopher1311d ago

***Piracy is going to happen no matter what. I've got nothing against Steam but having to connect and verify that you own a game still screws anyone without a constant internet connection. ***

You only need to connect to verify the purchase, you don't have to maintain an Internet connection. You would only have to do this once a week.

I really hate people who don't understand this concept with Steam. It never requires a constant Internet connection, only for verification of the game on a weekly basis.

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IAmLee1311d ago

The answer is simple.. they'd have no money.

Baka-akaB1312d ago (Edited 1312d ago )

Truth be told pirates will always steal even games without protections .

But does adding protection and drm stop them ? Nope , it doesnt even slow then down , it only annoy legitimate users , and worse give a sense of entitlement , vengeance and "justice" to many pirates .

They feel vindicated galvanised and legitimized in the process .

When your game got none of that crap , they are left with empty excuses or the simple truth that they are scums and thieves .

The less excuses given to customers to pirate the better . Wich means no region locking , no abuse of dlc , no drm , no constant online unless truly fitting a game .

PS : lol at stealth disagree . If it wasnt true good devs like CD Red Projekt would sell more copies and meet an even bigger and more deserved success

Transporter471312d ago

You say taht but, trust me everybody has pirated something in their life, whether its music, a movie, a game. Piracy doesn't make a company go bankrupt if it did no music artist would profit. Regardless I'm guilty of pirating a few games before but that doesn't make me a scum, I have because i can't afford every single game that i want to get.

WeAreLegion1312d ago

I take it you aren't in the music industry?

Baka-akaB1312d ago (Edited 1312d ago )

I know everyone did , i have too , of course i'm no saint . But there is only so much excuses one can hide behind once those issues are removed .

Would i have any excuse left from say pirating a 3ds or wii u game if region locking is gone ? Not really ... means i could finally import an atlus game without waiting a whole year and overpricing .

in the mean time i'll admit i'd have no qualm hacking my region locked console or cracking a game always online for no reason .

Why even give such incentive and "justifications" to gamers ? Just leave them with their own guilt and conscience .

Ilovetheps41312d ago (Edited 1312d ago )

Here is why I think comparing this to the music industry is a bad analogy. The music industry has concerts and things like that to make money off of. I am one of the few people that buy my music still, but I like having a physical CD with the boxart and the coverslip with the lyrics in it. But, what I'm saying is that musicians make majority of their money from concerts, appearances at events, and many other ways. Game developers make their money almost strictly off of game sales, but I don't think DRM is the answer to this problem.

Regardless, I am against piracy of any kind. It doesn't help anyone in any ways. If you can't afford a game, wait until it drops in price some and then buy it. You don't always have to get a game on day one.

SilentNegotiator1312d ago (Edited 1312d ago )

Where do high horse riders get off claiming that "everyone pirates"?

What gives you the right to assume that everyone is as criminal as yourself?

HappyGaming1312d ago (Edited 1312d ago )

That is ridiculously ignorant!
" Piracy doesn't make a company go bankrupt if it did no music artist would profit."

Piracy makes thousands of artists bankrupt. Of course the mainstream music starts who get paid millions for concerts wont go bankrupt even if we still 10 times what they get by pirating but small middle class artists and independent developers who probably could have made $100,000 a year can't make it in the music industry because we steal 90% of their income so they have to find alternative fields to work in.

You might be poor and think its ok to pirate because you are stealing from people who have millions but piracy completely destroys the little men like us who are trying to make a living through digital distribution of software and media.

There is no excuse. Most of us do it to an extent but lets at least understand what stealing is. Taking something from someone who has worked for it because you can!

SlapHappyJesus1312d ago

"Regardless I'm guilty of pirating a few games before but that doesn't make me a scum, I have because i can't afford every single game that i want to get."

Not calling you scum but, taken in that context, you do seem to feel you are entitled to every game you want to play, despite not having the funds that others pay to enjoy the same privilege.

ZombieNinjaPanda1312d ago

"Criminal"

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

FragMnTagM1312d ago

I think at least some of the pirating would subside if PC games started releasing more demos. The demos for PC are near non-existent.

XBL, as well as PSN have a ton of demos for games and I buy a lot more games because of being able to try before buying. If I like the demo on the console and it is on the PC, I will get the PC version though.

SilentNegotiator1311d ago

@ZombieNinjaPanda

Fine by me. Me and SlapHappyJesus here aren't pirates. He might not cast stones being Jesus and all, but I will.

Pirates are criminals and the majority of people are not pirates. Telling yourself that everyone else is a pirate will not make it true.

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aLucidMind1312d ago

They'll steal regardless of price as well. I remember a company did an experiment by pricing their game for one penny and it still got pirated. Companies need to ensure customer satisfaction and focus on giving us more bang for out buck, because the lack of one or the other will cause the risk of stolen copies to increase.

Legion211312d ago

How much bang is necessary to justify one penny? lol

aLucidMind1311d ago

The point there is that some people will steal, no matter what the cost of the item is. So the developers and producers need to focus on incentives for us not to steal rather than trying to outright punish those who do. The best way is to ensure that $60 we pay is very much worth it.

Kurylo3d1312d ago

I agreed with the first half of your statement, but saying have no DRM at all in anyway.. well thats just stupid. I remember when alls you had to do was use a cd burnder and u could copy the legit version of a game. Cant do that now thankfully, but u still can download games easier.

Drm in some form is a necessity at this point. I truely beleive the best way to make your money back is 1.)multiplayer so they are forced to connect to yourservers. 2.) lots of DLC... so they need a legit version of your game to get it. 3.) maybe mmo type of constnat pay to play.. 4.) in game advertising so even if they are playing on a stolen copy of the game you can somehow still make money off the advertisements in game... sort of the point of a lot of free to play games.

Ubisoft went overboard with DRM to the point where i didnt even want to play their games. Connecting to several things at once and having 8 accounts to play 1 game is just stupid. And totally makes the game easier to steal then to play legit.

Baka-akaB1312d ago (Edited 1312d ago )

Those drm are always bypassed , so they are quasi not existent forthose pirating a game . So no it makes no difference if they are included or not .

A pc game selling badly wont start selling well with a drm . That's just show and mirrors , smokes for investors and shareholders .

Nothing compete with free , that's motivation enough for enough people to deal with any hassle . The psp was one of the most annoying system to pirate and deal with , between constant firmwares , updates prompts from games , and constantly revised motherboards and hardware .

Yet it stopped nothing . But as a consumers given grievance by useless features , now i'd be stopped and tempted to either pirate or give up on such machine . You just can't keep aggravating your paid customers , without reaching someday a breaking point

Kurylo3d1312d ago (Edited 1312d ago )

by your logic you should put your wallet on the dashboard of your car with a 100 dollar bill sticking out, and not bother locking the car door. Yes if you lock the door the thieves that dont care will probably break the glass and take your wallet, but then again it still prevents the people who wouldnt break a window that would still take the 100 dollars. Dont make it so easy to be a victim. Not all pirates go out of their way to steal a game..

Back in the day before cd keys came around anyone and their mommas would copy cds with cd burning software... at least now its more of an effort to go online... download the bootleg versions or find a cdkey. Not everyone goes through the hassle. Which means only the people who have a wealth of knowledge on pirating .. pirate the games. NOrmal every day people will leave that alone.

Me personaly, and i dont know if this would be legal. But if i put a game out there.. i would release like 8 torrents for versions of the game that include viruses so i could kill the computers of anyone who tries to play my game illegally.. In the panic people wont know which torrents they should risk downloading. To hell with the DRM, game devs should go on the offensive and force people to format their hard drives if they try to steal a game.

aliengmr1312d ago

@Kurylo3d

Flawed analogy. There is far less risk in pirating a game.

What happens when disk copy protection stops paying customers? DRM has only ever done one thing; hassle paying customers.

The games industry is starting to learn that DRM is an absolute waste of money and effort. But it's taken a while. Human beings love a challenge, a problem to solve. Turns out piracy is pretty much unsolvable without harming legit customers.

What makes it worse is the fact that you can't really get any hard data on piracy. What if someone purchased a game after pirating it? It happens. The only consistent thing about piracy is that DRM has failed every time.

And the last thing you want to do is start messing with the pirates.

SilentNegotiator1312d ago (Edited 1312d ago )

Are you serious?

Why do so many people these days think that restricting law-abiding persons, with restrictions proven not to work, still insist that we're better off with those restrictions?

If it's going to be the same story (or very close) whether or not we have such restrictions, then why have them at all?

DRM, laws, etc...so many people these days think they're safer with the restrictions, no matter the facts.

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InTheLab1312d ago

Don't forget about not having a demo...

Doesn't matter if a dev goes through the checklist of ridiculous reasons for piracy as pirates will always create a new reason to simply take what they want.

And since someone brought it up, I have never illegally downloaded a game, movie, or music. Doing the right thing isn't as uncommon as everyone seems to believe.

If I had, I'd at least own up to at and acknowledge the scum that I am. Yeah...pirates are scum.

Linsolv1311d ago

Yeah, but lack of a demo is actually a pretty fair COMPLAINT, if not a good REASON.

Flavor1311d ago

Yeah, 'those' pirates', y'know, 'those' guys and 'they'.

Not yourself, oh heavens no.

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Kran1312d ago

Bought this game the other day.

Got real hooked on it, even if there are some flaws in the gameplay :P

Transporter471312d ago (Edited 1312d ago )

Dumb is what it is.

Kran1312d ago

Actually, genius. It stops pirates because they know the game would end up unplayable and if they REALLY want the game, they'd buy it.

That said though, suppose pirates could hack the game and take this out. :(

ZodTheRipper1312d ago

Of course they can and they surely will, but I think that this move was a success nonetheless :)

Gh05t1312d ago

Or they just get back online and get an honestly pirated game not this fake pirated game that was given by the devs.

mydyingparadiselost1312d ago

I would like to say there are lots of reasons to pirate a game, just not all games and especially not brand new games.