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Submitted by buzzjman 355d ago | opinion piece

Could Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo All Suffer The Same Fate?

With the recent announcements of the PS4 and the confirmation of the Next Xbox, the complete next generation of console gaming is close upon us. While the Wii U is being met with mixed reactions, one could wonder if The Big Three game companies could all suffer the same fate together. (PS4, Wii U, Xbox One)

The_Infected  +   356d ago
No well idk about Microsoft since the reveal isn't until May 21st but from what I seem of the PS4 it's ready with features and games so the launch should be strong.
MariaHelFutura  +   355d ago
Yep.

Sony- Things are looking and sounding good.
MS- No one knows, but the rumors are sketchy.
Nintendo- Things aren't looking so hot.
Yi-Long  +   355d ago
I think the PS4 will do great...
... everybody is really excited about what has been announcedfor the PS4 so far, and the last few years Sony has really won over many people.

Nintendo right now seems to be a bit in the dog house, with a console that isn't convincing (yet?) as 'next-gen', and missing any real must-have titles.

Microsoft have been focussing on dashboard-apps and Kinect for the last 3-4 years, while also charging heavily just so people can play their games online. They've certainly lost me, and from what I gather, most of the people I know as well.

Unless Sony somehow really screw up, they should be doing very well with the PS4.
insomnium2  +   355d ago
FFS what is there to disagree with in Yi-Long's comment?
dedicatedtogamers  +   355d ago
Since we're going to have far fewer middle-budget games due to rising dev costs, gaming journalism is going to be murdered next-gen. That's one thing that will change, mark my words.

Here's why. Nowadays, every game has to be AAA, 9/10 score. The market is already so crowded. If your game averages less than 8/10, you're sunk, especially if you were expecting millions of sales. I hate to say it (but don't deny it) but some companies will just keep doing what they're already doing: giving out swag bags and all-expense-paid "reviewer retreats" to get the good grades while keeping that unspoken pressure of "we'll pull our advertising budget..." over journalists' heads.

What will happen is devs will start to do stuff like the smaller devs do: mailing lists and fan clubs, just like the good ol' days. This is how ATLUS keeps all its fans in the loop. It doesn't matter what review score a game gets, because ATLUS has already sent you ten emails over the past 6 months showing how cool the game is.
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Yi-Long  +   355d ago
I disagree...
... first of all, I doubt development will cost significantly more. I even doubt it will cost more than current gen.

Here's why. First of all, this gen, PS3 and 360 were 2 very different beasts to develop for. Next-gen, they have a pretty similar infrastructure, said to be much easier to code for than PS3. Obviously, this alone already means it will take a lot less effort and time to release great versions for different consoles.

Not to mention that both the PS4 and next Xbox will be very similar to PCs, so those games will also be much easier to bring over to the PC-platform and be sold there.

Also, programming-software has become much better and faster. Lost of stuff like creating a animation, landscape and lighting can now often be done very quickly using existing programs, whereas before that just took a lot more time.

Rendering CGI, where necessary, is also much much faster.

So no, I don't think development cost, ON AVERAGE, should really be that much more expensive next gen. Obviously you WILL have developers and games really pushing the boundaries, taking years to get it right, hiring expensive voice-actors, buying official licenses, etc etc, but in general, I think it will remain at about the same level.

Not to mention the cheaper marketing nowadays, where you can reach an audience of millions of potentially interested customers, by simply having a free Facebook-page or whatever.
abradley  +   355d ago
Yeah ,Yi is correct. It won't increase a lot if any. And speaking as someone who gets free games from companies to do reviews on, the proper reviewers amongst us will not be swayed in our opinions of the game itself no matter what we receive.

At the end of the day, someone's choice to spend £40/$60 on a new game or sequel is often down to what we as game reviewers say about it. To mislead those readers is just going to get you into shit for not doing your job properly. The idea that a game has to get 8/10 minimum though is bull. I will play anything with a 4+ as many of those games are good. I think most games nowadays are too highly rated in the first place. Very few games should ever get 8-9, let along 10 scores.
WiiUsauce  +   355d ago
You do realize Microsoft has the dominant console in North America for the "hardcore gamer," AKA, the CoD/Madden/Battlefield retards. Sony's PS4 is staying on the shelves here in North America. Mark my words.

The only region I see PS4 being a success is Europe, where the PS3 is the dominant console over the Xbox. And about Japan? Consoles are on a decline, and gamers there prefer the convenience and portability of handhelds (the reason why the 3DS has already outsold the lifetime sales of the PS3 in Japan), so I don't see the PS4 being as successful this time around as the PS3 was over there.
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shivvy24  +   355d ago
i reckon the issue was that the ps3 was $600 and people just couldn't spent alot back when the economy fucked up, i remember when my 3 friends wanted a ps3 but bought a 360 only cause it was alot cheaper! one of my friends regretted it and bought a ps3 a year later, my other 2 friends went to pc gaming ! i also have another friend that wants to buy a ps3 just to play uncharted and the last of us ! - True Story
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abradley  +   355d ago
I didn't believe that until I looked it up, your right. PS3 = 6.5 million as of 2011 and 3DS = 11.5 million as of 2013. Add an extra million or so for the year gap and the 3DS still has outsold the PS3 by double.

That is probably down to the fact that space is Japan is at a premium, portable consoles then get a big advantage in such environments.

However, with 30 million+ units sold in Europe alone, I think its safe to say PS4 will have a home to go to. Specially as at the moment, the Wii U will be lucky to break 30 million at this point.
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Godmars290  +   356d ago
If next gen is a step by step FPS, post-apocalypse, realistic and gritty repeat of this one at the very least there's not going to be any growth or change.
oof46  +   356d ago
The one hurdle that all these companies have to overcome is convincing their userbase to spend $500 - $600 on a new system and games. For the cash strapped parent or adult, this can be a bit much to ask while there are still great games coming and a vast library available for current gen systems.

Now there are loyalists and the hardcore who will buy it day one, but for each system to gain momentum, they need the mass market to make the switch.
chadboban  +   355d ago
Geez finally someone is thinking on a larger scale here. Sure we(gamers who pay attention to gaming news) are all excited for "next-gen" consoles, but the fact is most consumers don't even know what the term "next-gen" even means. Pricing is also crucial here, just because a lot of folks here are willing to shell out $500 for a new system doesn't mean the average person will be willing to do the same.

I will say one thing, Sony was extremely smart to name their system the PS4. It's much easier for the average person to not get confused by that like they can with a name like Wii U, Nintendo wouldn't have such a hard time getting the message to consumers that it's a new system if they had just put a number at the end instead of an additional letter.
Jaqen_Hghar  +   355d ago
A man would remind you that not many people have been early adopters on PS3, 360, or WiiU. These consoles have legged it out. They do most of their sales after a price cut or two so the "average" consumer won't pay $500, they'll pay $400 or $350 after a year or two and the console will continue on a stride from their. There's a sales curve with consoles as the Wii is the exception that proves this rule.
specialagent4532  +   355d ago
help me understand why the price of a console matters so much. Meaning we buy useless things at exorbitant prices like tablets (is just a smartphone only with a bigger screen minus the phone capabilities). A fountain really is pretty yes but it sure wastes water. E-readers really the smartphone is already capable of ebooks and emagazines. So yes I don't understand why $500.00 or $600.00 is too much for a console. I mean really expects the PS4 to cost less than $500.00 :'(.
oof46  +   355d ago
The average parent who does not game does not know the difference between consoles. One time while browsing the electronics section at Sears during the ps2's heyday. I saw a parent buy a ps1 and a copy of Gran Turismo 3 for the ps2. The sales person told the mom they weren't compatible and that she would need to buy a ps2. She saw the price tag and promptly put everything back.

So, yes, price matters.
LOL_WUT  +   356d ago
I think Nintendo made their own fate. Sales wise yeah their might be a slow start but in the end it all comes down to who has the better software. ;)
BattleAxe  +   355d ago
"Could Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo All Suffer The Same Fate?"

These low IQ questions bore me.
level 360  +   355d ago
Think only Nintendo.

Not really in that doom and gloom certainty of course but with the same monotonous game line-up.
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arbitor365  +   355d ago
the biggest reason the wii u has befallen this fate is because people are waiting for the PS4 and next xbox, to get the real next gen leap. everyone I talk to in real life says this.
Killzoner99  +   355d ago
Nah Sony is going to dominate next gen for sure. The PS4 will be the last console for the true hardcore gamers.
chadboban  +   355d ago
"Hardcore gamers"

God I've grown to hate that term so much this gen. I consider myself a true gamer, meaning I don't limit myself to a single system. I prefer a wide variety of experiences and owning just a single system just won't give me that.

Sure the PS4 may be enough for you but I need more than that, hence why my systems for this coming gen will be PS4/Wii U/3DS and Vita along with my PC. I get pretty much the best exclusives along with the best version of multiplat games. Don't have anything against Microsoft (I really like Halo and Gears) but their systems just haven't really done it for me, but whenever there is a game I want to play on it I always borrow my friend's Xbox, and I loan him my PS3.
revben  +   355d ago
I was waiting at the bus station the other day and a well elegant girl, who probable do not know about the xbox360 or ps3 was playing a game and did so until her iphone's battery died. Mind you the game looked stupid and boring, but she was playing a game. Then she took out her kindle reader and did not read a line.

What I am saying is that gaming has changed and we "hardcore gamers" need to realizes that. We should be focusing on getting those "causal gamers" in hardcore gaming instead of pushing them away.
Typical-Guy  +   355d ago
If they all do, especially PS4 and Xbox (until reveal), then there's a problem with gaming community....
Bathyj  +   355d ago
Doubt it. People are more than ready for a next gen console. They just don't see the wiiu as one.
chadboban  +   355d ago
The problem is that Nintendo's marketing has been all over the place, most people don't even know it's a brand new system and that needs to change. I also find it so strange that people are more than willing to assume that the PS4 will do incredibly well without even knowing extremely important information like what it's launch price is going to be.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm extremely excited for the PS4 and can't wait to get my hands on it, but I think most people seem to forget that price plays a huge part in how a system sells. Should Sony price the system well I'd say they're more or less on their way to having a huge success on their hands. But say for example, It's priced just a little too high plus Nintendo cuts the price of the Wii U(and actually releases some software for the damn thing) then what will the situation for the PS4 be?

Right now though, I think we're still in situation of all this being too early to tell how big of a success the PS4 or Nextbox will be. So I'll just wait and see until we get more info

On a side note, don't you think you're making kind of a big assumption when you say "People are more than ready for a next gen console"? Sure gamers who pay attention to news sites like you and I are aware of the term but most other people don't even know what the term "next-gen" even means. I could go right now and tell my friends who are also gamers but don't visit news sites that "I can't wait for next-gen" and they'll pretty much look at me like "what the hell are you babbling about man?"
TRGMatt  +   355d ago
We're all ready for next gen. Consoles are a staple in homes these days. Nintendo just fell off the wagon. It's gonna be a 2 man show, maybe 3 if Steam plays their cards right.
Jek_Porkins  +   355d ago
Whate fate is that? I think things could start slow with $400+ consoles, but it'll pick up within a year or so. There wont be a runaway winner in the console war, keeping it close in terms of sales will really push these companies to give us great content and good prices.
RuleofOne343  +   355d ago
First off anyone of them can fall from grace, secondly if things start effecting the console manufacturers & developers bottom dollar they will be force to rethink thier partnership with retail especially if retail brags about #'s. Third love how he says he is being sold a incomplete game as I recall developer never promised or gave a detailed descriptions of how long or how short the game would be, they just said a game was coming. Love the snip at DLC or passes but forgets that when he got SM3 store did not take trades , thier was no 20billion revenue from used games sales or it was not yet profitable concepts yet . MO the industry needs to restructure it self so it can maintain it self & continue to exist.
mydyingparadiselost  +   355d ago
Actually there were specific stores called GAME STORES that took trades, we had a couple in my town when SM3 came out, they just weren't retail chains. And there is massive revenue in used movies, clothes, electronics and TONS of other items but I don't see used movies under fire or DRM on underwear or blu ray players that catch fire when sold at garage sales.

Game companies used to make complete games and not hold back content for dlc because games were sold COMPLETE and I don't recall any companies suddenly saying 'hey, we don't sell complete stuff anymore' either but at some point fighting games started having less characters at purchase, cheat codes became microtransactions, and costumes and extras unlocked by beating a game are now unlocked by credit card.

If the industry needs a restructuring it's because AAA companies have been treating us like fools and our money like it has nowhere else to go to but them.
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a_adji  +   355d ago
This gen will be about price. The issue also comes from the fact that we have devices that all do the same thing and games is the only thing that makes the three machines stand apart.

Even though the wii u is the first new gen I have purchased, Nintendoshould have dropped the Wii name but they tried to ride of the success of the original Wii as it became a brand. They have done a piss poor job of marketing but the price is fair for such a great machine.

The other 2 will be more expensive and at even £400 you are having a laugh.
Thepcz  +   355d ago
yes
people (ie sony fans) think shit is sweet just because their console is powerful. seems everyone conveniently forgets vita, and how that has flopped.

the games market is changing rapidly, i have been saying it for years- brute power is oldskool now. thats the old way of thinking. people want new ways to play.

people play candy crush and angry birds, people buy ipads. nintendo were smart with wiiu and incorporating elements of the tablet into its design, but even that isnt enough.

nintendo know and understand the market, which is why they come with games like wario ware. its aimed at the same consumer who play candy crush etc. when nintendo finally roll its games out, maybe the wiiiu will pick up.

the only thing that will keep ps4 afloat is its fans. ie, people who buy all sony consoles blindly -ie fanboys. it wont be adopted by the average consumer, the same way the wiiu wasnt.

i think microsoft will win the next gen simply by coming with a console that ticks all the boxes but comes at a good price, just as it did with the 360.

and dont go thinking im a microsoft fan, because im not- this is the way i think it will play out.

other than that, nintendo do stand a chance of surprising everyone. but i think sony have misjudged it totally this time. again, brute force is oldskool. its also expensive, and we are not in a climate to support such products.
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revben  +   355d ago
I know you will get a lot downvotes as will I, but you speak the truth as if you have been blessed by wisdom. Games have 50% of apps download on ios and android, and none of them are power houses. Just games will unique gameplay.
g-nome  +   355d ago
Give me big budget games on overpowered consoles any day over the 5 min shallow experiences supplied by the android and apple devices.
jcnba28  +   355d ago
I agree with what you said about sony and nintendo. I just can't see the ps4 selling well when (excluding power) it's the exact same as a ps3. Only hardcore gamers are going to care about the "GDDRs RAM", the normal consumer will not.
monkeyfox  +   355d ago
Have played my share of games on iphone and android over the years but apart from the odd RPG have never had a gaming experience that equals anything on consoles... Sure "non gamers" probably play tons of shitty games on mobile devices but with the most popular games on the consoles bringing in more money than they ever have in history, i cant see mobile gaming being a threat to traditional console based entertainment for a while yet...
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MasterCornholio  +   355d ago
Well as long as they dont have Iwata running the company, Microsoft and Sony will do just fine.

Edit: Yes i firmly believe that Iwata is ruining Nintendo.
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fsfsxii  +   355d ago
Stupid article. People aren't so dumb to leave a CONSOLE for the 30 seconds of joy with Angry birds or whatever mobile game.

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