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Submitted by iGAM3R-VIII 1020d ago | news

Microsoft's IllumiRoom is 'a coffee table projector for next-gen consoles'

That's according to new details which have arrived ahead of this week's CHI 2013 conference in Paris.
According to Microsoft, IllumiRoom can "change the appearance of the room, induce apparent motion, extend the field of view, and enable entirely new game experiences."

Combining a projector with Kinect, game effects such as falling snow and explosions can be projected into the living room, while illusions can appear to distort furniture around the television. (PS4, Xbox One)

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kassler  +   1020d ago
Consoles? So this isn't exclusive to Xbox? Wonder what price it'll come with.
Andronix  +   1020d ago
Not essential but I'd love to try it.
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Septic  +   1020d ago
Yeah I watched Ironman 3 on the weekend and he brings out a digital map that covers the room (as always) and I thought of Illumiroom. Could be pretty cool but yeah, doubt it will be essential for gaming.
MurDocINC  +   1020d ago | Well said
Only see this working with a clean white room.
kneon  +   1020d ago

I don't know why you got disagrees, it's going to look like crap unless you have a sparsely furnished, light colored room.

Microsoft hasn't found a way to overcome the laws of physics so projecting images on to dark colored objects just isn't going to work well.
Jockamo  +   1020d ago
this is kneon's room
thechosenone  +   1020d ago | Well said
Looks too gimmicky for me, but you guys enjoy if that's your thing.
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Gamer Muzz  +   1020d ago
Why would it only work with a clean white room? I thought one of it's cooler features was it's ability to change the appearance of the objects around the T.V. and even distort them.
With nothing in the room, that wouldn't really do anything.
Remember, it's not supposed to make a movie screen out of your wall, it's just supposed to augment reality and add more of the games features/view to the room around you.
personally, I think it's a pretty innovative idea and great way to make games just a little more immersive.
thechosenone  +   1020d ago
the projector they're using costs $800? Yikes.

Sony's version of this immersive tech

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3
WrAiTh Sp3cTr3  +   1020d ago
@Murdocinc and kneon, the video as its shown is relatively the opposite of what you're concerned with, lol.
SilentNegotiator  +   1020d ago
@WrAiTh Sp3cTr3

Not really. The room they showed it in was a big white wall, a flat shelf with a bunch of picture frames at 85 degree angles that covered 95% of the holes in the flat shelves that they were in, two tiny plants with massive, broad leaves, and the absolute worst...tiny empty vases.

The room might not be empty, but they chose the most inconceivably flat conditions to show it in.

@Gamer Muzz
"Remember, it's not supposed to make a movie screen out of your wall"

Then why is 80% of the footage of it extending the screen? Don't pretend like the main attraction was the pulsing shelf bit.
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TechnicianTed  +   1020d ago

Yeah, Spandex People Technology™ is the future, clearly.
thechosenone  +   1019d ago

so the men in tight spandex is what caught your attention first? there's more going on there if you'd just look around. xD
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kneon  +   1019d ago
$WrAiTh Sp3cTr3

Actually the video illustrates my point prefectly. They have used a light colored wood and have plenty of blank wall above the tv. Take a look at the black xBox, it's essentially a black hole in the image since it's reflectivity is near 0. Likewise the two dark color squares to the left show little detail.

My Main TV is in a 10 foot wide entertainment unit made of medium brown wood. The top of the unit above the TV has my subwoofer, AV receiver and left/right speakers which are all black. On the right and left are open doorways. There are almost no surfaces that would reflect light well enough to see a decent image.

This technology is fine to add some special effects but that's about it. Because there is no guarantee that the player can see any particular part of the off screen image the games can't put anything important off the screen.

Below would be your worst case scenario


This large black entertainment unit would reflect almost nothing.
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B-radical  +   1019d ago
Id prefer it to kinnect
malokevi  +   1019d ago
I dont understand how any gamer could complain about that video.

Seriously cool stuff. Not sure about cost, but Xbox + Kinect2 + Illumiroom... sounds about as close to full immersion as I've ever seen. (besides that crazy machine on Mythbusters)

This is the kind of stuff I've been dreaming about for the better portion of my life. I think its gonna b a TRIP.
FriedGoat  +   1019d ago
For someone like me who has a projector and screen that covers the whole wall, what exactly is the point of this?
Gamer-40  +   1020d ago
"Microsoft's IllumiRoom"

greenpowerz  +   1020d ago
Yeah MSFT is going to make products for the competition in the gaming industry :p
MrDead  +   1020d ago

It makes you wonder and it is posted in the PS4 section.
The_Infected  +   1020d ago

"there is enough demand for it then Microsoft will look to release it a full product for the next Xbox console."
AngelicIceDiamond  +   1020d ago
It looks and sounds cool, but I have see more on this sorta thing. I'm not quite sold yet.
GT67  +   1020d ago
This is nothing more than a projected hologram
ENTERPRISE we found your holo-deck.

rather have yu-gi-oh holo duel disc.
Gamer1982  +   1020d ago
IKt wont be exclusive as it will be a camera that outputs an image just like anything else so unless it uses a special adapter that stops it being compatible with ps4 etc.. It will work with it and probably ps3/360/wiiu also. This is a good move by MS as it maximizes sales. They couldnt do it as an xbox product as people would maybe put it down as an overpriced accessory. Especially as this will no doubt come out at well over $100.
BitbyDeath  +   1019d ago
@kassler, further in the article it states it requires Kinect.

"Currently Microsoft's prototype utilises a wide field of view projector (InFocus IN126ST) and a Kinect for Windows sensor."
fr0sty  +   1019d ago
I do video projection mapping for a living, so I know exactly what kinds of hurdles this device is facing when used in the real world. I actually wrote an article about this tech when it was first announced detailing the pros and cons of using this tech for video games (search under my username for submitted articles, I'm sure it's in there somewhere). It has a lot of issues to overcome before it'll be anything more than an expensive gimmick. One that requires another expensive gimmick (Kinect) to even work.
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nirwanda  +   1019d ago
I have an older infocus dlp projector, I don't use it much because you really need a dark room to get good contrast and images, I would liketo try this but I'd be worried about reflections on my tv screen.
nirwanda  +   1019d ago
Do you think a DLP projector will block out enough light to stop lots of light reflection on my LCD.
fr0sty  +   1019d ago
You would get no reflection at all. Part of what video mapping does is masks out certain areas of the projector's image so that it only projects where you want it to. There would be a big black rectangle shaped hole in the projector's video image where your TV is supposed to go, so there would be no light to reflect.

However, you are right about needing a dark room (with light colored walls) in order to get a good image. This is why, in many cases, you see them using black and white outlines on the parts of the image that is not on screen. Black and white are high contrast when put against each other, so it stands out a lot more than a full color image would. I would imaging this would end up being the default setting for most living room environments, as you aren't going to get a projector for under $500 that is worth a crap, especially not one that has a super short throw lens on it like the one in this video concept does. Those lenses aren't cheap.

The projectors we use to do most of our video mapping are 5000 lumens (unless we rent more powerful ones), and that is on the extremely low end of the brightness scale that is required to properly video map a room. Go price a few 5000 lumen projectors... And you'll see why I say this will either be a very expensive gimmick, or one that does not work very well. The main thing this projector has going for it is the short throw lens, which enables brighter images using dimmer bulbs because the light does not have to cover as much distance (shorter throw from projector to wall). However, if you have dark colored walls, or a dark colored entertainment center that covers most of the wall, you won't get very good results out of this.
FamilyGuy  +   1019d ago
Looks cool enough, I don't agree with needing a light colored room though, have you guys ever had/used a projector? You still see the stuff fine, it's just obscured.

You're not meant to focus on the images on the wall anyway, it's the background giving you more immersion.

It'd be cool if they really do release this thing. Not sure if I'd bother with something like that but I can at least admit it's cool.
popup  +   1019d ago
The tech is great, the immersion would be great and it seems pretty cool having the items seemingly come out of the screen but if you have a projector, why not just display the whole 120" image using only that?

I use a projector for gaming and, other than the 10 minute gimmick of confusing my pals with it in the above setup, why would I want to put a little TV in the middle? I know that the furniture is scanned and included but you need to buy a projector to use it and, if you did, I bet you would rather game using that!

Interesting but odd at the same time to me.
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Jaces  +   1019d ago
Looks to distracting for me. I'm only going to be looking at one thing and that's the tv.
MonkeyNinja  +   1020d ago
Looks pretty cool, but extremely gimmicky. Like something that I'd really enjoy for 5 mins and then get tired of. I'd much rather have something similar to Oculus Rift.
JsonHenry  +   1020d ago
^^ Me too. The Rift just seems more practical for gaming. But then again it takes double the processing power because it has to render the frames twice.
MonkeyNinja  +   1020d ago
True, but if next-gen games are already going to be in 3D, then it could just be used in place of the TV. If the PS4 was already rendering Killzone 4 in 3D, then it might just be a matter of sending the image to the headmount instead of the TV.

Didn't Sony show a headmount similar to Oculus Rift years ago at some convention center? Does anyone remember that? It was right around the time that rumors about PS4 started to surface, back when it was being called Orbis...
nukeitall  +   1020d ago
I don't think the majority of the public will enjoy Oculus Rift with a case of "finding your VR legs" any time soon.

That is nausea after 15-20 mins of use while trying to build up a stamina over time.

I'm very intrigued by VR, but realistically that is a huge barrier to entry.

IllumiRoom though seems pretty awesome. I would get one if there was genuine support for it that hopefully extends beyond games into movies.
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RustedMan  +   1020d ago
gimmicky? in what way? While I do enjoy what I've seen and heard about the Oculus Rift, I think this may have it beat because it doesn't require every player to wear a head piece.
nukeitall  +   1020d ago
Other than the placing it in the room, I think this is an easy setup.

I hope MS releases this for the next Xbox. I would likely buy it if it was reasonably priced.

Technology like this will really set you apart from the competition, just like Kinect.
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MonkeyNinja  +   1020d ago
I see it ads gimmicky because it's generally known that gamers have tunnel vision when playing games, especially fps or action games. It's almost a distraction from the game to see stuff around your TV. Although I do like the snow effects, and maybe some sand effects would be cool in a desert level of a game, but then again, is it worth the price (whatever it will be) just for that?
just_jeff  +   1019d ago
well... from what @fr0sty is saying there are some major hurdles that MS will have to overcome if this is going to work properly in your home. He does projection mapping for a living, at least he says so (no, i'm not doubting @fr0sty claim)

I'm afraid that the tech is not ready, but MS will want to release it asap. Like they did with Kinect. I don't think the original Kinect was ready to be release at that time. It never performed like it was suppose to. It was never very accurate and for the most part frustrating to use. The illumiroom could run into the same type of issues that the original kinect ran into.
_-EDMIX-_  +   1019d ago
This crap looks to "mimic VR" Oculus Rift IS VR! I'm looking more forward to MS whole smart glasses thing then this crap. It looks more like some Kinect crap then anything I would ever use. That doesn't look immerse....that actually looks just the opposite and annoying.

Oculus Rift is a day 1 for me and its looks to be the future of PC gaming and gaming in general.
Root  +   1020d ago
I know what I'm getting.....a new coffee table :)
JsonHenry  +   1020d ago
I will mount mine from the ceiling.
shadow2797  +   1020d ago
Your coffee table?
konnerbllb  +   1020d ago
Coffee table efficiency doubles when mounted to a ceiling.
Chitown71291  +   1019d ago
konnerbllb's logic is flawless. I love it.
Fishy Fingers  +   1020d ago
Rather put the money towards a bigger TV but its an interesting concept.
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StrongMan  +   1020d ago
How much will this thing cost?
Godmars290  +   1020d ago
Same as a projection TV since that's what it is?

Also have to figure that light will effect it. The room will have to be dark.
MilkMan  +   1020d ago
Let me tell you, the video that was floating around the web of this tech was giving me migraines (im not kidding) I HOPE M$ comes to the table with more than this crap.
xDHAV0K24x  +   1019d ago
Man up
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RuleofOne343  +   1020d ago
Day one buy . (but if some disagree keep it to yourself, also their no convincing to do otherwise look at Avatar .)

@joeyisback best part about the MS one ,their are no people in skin tight jumpsuit moving stuff around .
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ALLWRONG  +   1020d ago
delboy removed but majiebeast gets to stay.

Welcome to "Double Standard Days" here at N4G

Anyway witwicky343 it's a cool device, and even cooler without headset things.
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Calcio  +   1020d ago
Think it's really nifty. Anything that makes gaming more immersive is a win for me
Hercules189  +   1020d ago
imagine watching porn with this
Xklaw  +   1020d ago
ahahah... whenever there´s some kind of new technology on the block, people often think of using it for porn.
RustedMan  +   1020d ago
it's like she's coming out of the screen.
TekoIie  +   1019d ago
You've ruined porn for me now...

Its not as immersive anymore :'(
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Objective  +   1020d ago
Innovation! Look forward to 3D without glasses too courtesy of kinect!
MilkMan  +   1019d ago
Nintendo 3DS
_LarZen_  +   1020d ago
I think Microsoft need to bundle this with the new Xbox in order for it to get broad support and becoming something good.
sway_z  +   1020d ago
Bundle with Next Box?? ..That's most probably the most insane idea ever!!

Imagine how much that would cost?? Answer >Too much!

That does not make any economical must be loaded pal!
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_LarZen_  +   1020d ago
There is no need for a expensive projector for this. A cheap LED constructed device would do the job.

And if they build it inside the Kinect V2 it would be a nice solution.
Kingthrash360  +   1019d ago
larzen.....still too expensive, plus who wants a cheap one when bulbs for projectors are expensive by themselfs. they would never bundle this. it's bad business all around.
Alcohog  +   1020d ago
If there were ever something I was sure I did not want, this is it.
gigoran  +   1020d ago
So you all know the life expectancy of projector bulbs and prices for replacements, right? Lets just say the first one is short and the second one... very large. Don't get too excited.
MrDead  +   1020d ago
Projector bulbs can cost almost as much as and sometimes more than the projector. I think they will be using LED's for this though.
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miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   1020d ago
I can't wait to buy this one. You can edit it a lot more than I even Imagined. Giving you the option to have it project over the furniture, or behind it? Awesome! Giving me the options for explosions or bullet fire only to show? Awesome! I'll use that while playing COD or BF.

This thing sounds fun and looks good. You see the way the snow moved in the racing game as you went forward? Pretty cool. And as always, it's going to be an OPTION...Not Mandatory.
IQUITN4G  +   1020d ago
I must confess to not thinking very much of this at first but there's a great deal of potential immersion gained from this in a way I hadn't even imagined. This could do very well for MS
UnHoly_One  +   1020d ago
Same here. I assumed this thing was going to be a gimmicky joke, but if it works as well as what they are showing in that video, I'll be all over it.
GodsPerfectK7ng  +   1020d ago
A little innovation for something different is great for the future of gaming, well done Microsoft!!:)
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   1020d ago
I could definitely see my self using this for cinematic/story driven games.
WeAreLegion  +   1020d ago
Better release it before Apple announces iLlumiroom.
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SkyGamer  +   1020d ago
Could this be a variation of the holodeck in the leaks last year? Technology will come down to this. No more needing tv's. Everything will be projected and of course what the prior poster stated, immersion. Imagine this tech shrinking as most tech does and it fits into a watch or a ring and you can have this holothingy around wherever you go. Believe it or not, if government doesn't shut down the internet, the whole world will be blanketed in at least 1 gbs wifi.
sandman224  +   1020d ago
It looks cool and all but, I don't want anymore wires running around in the living room. Some of you might not care, that's fine. I see it being a short entertainment experiance. I'd rather play in 3d.
Zcarnut  +   1020d ago
Yeah,I dont want anymore wires either.If its planning on being placed on a coffee table, I would think it would have to be wireless and rechargeable? I dont know about you,but I dont have any power outlets in the center of my living room.
I like the concept though.
EDIT: Article states its wireless. Not for power,but communication with the console.
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WickedLester  +   1020d ago
I swear the next Xbox is shaping up to be THE most gadget-driven console ever between Kinect, Illumiroom, and the rumored VR glasses. I would have preferred MS to invest all that time, money, and effort in quality games rather than all these gimmicks!
JamieL  +   1019d ago
You know I have a feeling if this was another company you'd be singing praises about how "innovative" they are. While I agree with you about new games. I love great new IP’s as well, but how would we ever have anything new if tried and tested things are all people did?
xDHAV0K24x  +   1019d ago
Amen! I never owned a kinect but I may give the 2.0 a shot
WickedLester  +   1019d ago
Not true at all! In fact I harshly criticized Sony when they brought out the Move controller because, just like Kinect, Wiimote, Illumiroom, VR glasses, etc it was nothing more than a gimmick to compete with the Wii. I want GAMES not gimmicks!
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LogicStomper  +   1019d ago
Quick summary of WickedLester's comment:

I want Microsoft to stick to making games rather than trying to revolutionise it. I just want them to be the same as everyone else, to not have a unique thing about them.
WickedLester  +   1019d ago
Pfft PLEASE! How exactly does this "revolutionize" anything? It's a projector! No matter what is projecting off of your walls, your focal point is still on your TV. If anything, this would be a distraction from the game. This isn't holographic gaming folks. You still have to focus on your TV screen to play. This is just more gadgetry to distract gamers from the fact that the Xbox doesn't have much in terms of exclusive content.
LogicStomper  +   1018d ago
"If anything, this would be a distraction from the game."

So immersion is now a bad thing? If the scenery of the game is astounding, would you not want to FEEL like you're actually IN the game?

Developers don't making beautuful scenery for no reason, they make it to immerse you into the game.

"This is just more gadgetry to distract gamers from the fact that the Xbox doesn't have much in terms of exclusive content. "

Woah calm down there, I don't recall ever attacking your favoured console. Why so defensive all of a sudden?

Think of it as the big companies are good at different things, just like cars. Ferrari are good at supercars while Toyota are good at everyday cars. You don't say that Toyota focus on everyday cars cause the don't have much in terms of exclusive cars. They just do best at it, and it's what gets them sales.

You know not everything has to be a war right?
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aviator189  +   1020d ago
it's definitely got potential and looks really cool.
I just hope it's executed right and affordable.
Shnooze  +   1020d ago
Watch them use it to pump out kinect games.

_-EDMIX-_  +   1019d ago
I'm not sure why anyone is disagreeing. Its quite obvious that this is what the damn thing was made for. Yes, you'll see it get Halo 5, Forza, Ryse support etc, but to my understanding Kinect did a lot of that for those games too.

This was made for Kinect. I just can't see a damn projector as being fully immerse.

.....Oculus Rift people. Star Citizen, EVR noof said. LOL.
Lucreto  +   1020d ago
It looks like great technology and something different.

Pity for me it won't work with my set up. I can't game in the dark as I get headaches but I don't for movies.

The video has the TV in the centre of the room. I have mine in the corner and I look at it as an angle instead of straight on. I won't get the full effect.

"Because the prototype is limited by the field of view of the Kinect and projector (~57 horizontal FOV), the system is mounted above and behind the user's head"

The window and a door are behind my head so it won't work and I don't have room for a coffee table.

It seems like the same limitations for kinect before it was released.

I am not ripping on the technology or Microsoft but it looks like Microsoft is still going for the hub view where the room has to be arranged around the xbox not a box under the TV.
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FITgamer  +   1020d ago
It would be cool for movies and some SP gaming. Wouldn't be ideal for MP would just be a distraction.
Septic  +   1019d ago
The extra field of view would actually be useful for mutiplayer gaming I think.
mrmancs  +   1020d ago
ha haa ha ha...
Wizziokid  +   1020d ago
Pretty cool but It's not something I would rush to buy tbh
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