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Microsoft can outdo Sony with Xbox reveal

ArabicGamers writes:"Is Microsoft serious about games or is it turning the next Xbox into a fully-fledged entertainment machine? Will it have to be constantly connected to the internet to work properly? Can I play my old Xbox 360 games on it? What about used games, will they still work or are they being blocked completely? These are just a few of the questions Microsoft needs to answer during the next Xbox reveal in May. Failure to clarify these points would spell trouble for the platform holder, but Microsoft also has the chance to outshine Sony's PlayStation 4 event from February."

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pierce1184d ago

We need to find out an official release date and a price tag. Two very important things that Sony was wrong to leave out.

Godmars2901184d ago

Need to find out what the games are like. For the Xbox: how much will Kinect be made to figure and effect games.

sengoku1184d ago (Edited 1184d ago )

hell i'll be watching to find out..
it's possible but what i find to be of importance might be something totally different than what i'm gonna get.

Knight_Crawler1184d ago

I agree with you GodMars, games will be the deal breaker for me next gen but do you really belive that the 720 and the PS4 will be that much diffrent in terms of graphics?

The 360 and PS3 were pretty much on par this gen when you compare Uncharted and Gears or Alan Wake and Heavy Rain.

nukeitall1184d ago

I think to outdo Sony, MS will need to show more content and substance than specs.

Most people don't care or know what specs are. They are pointless, and we want to know what is in store for the "now" and the future.

I want the next Xbox (or any console for that matter) to be the only thing I need underneath my TV. One box to rule them all!

thechosenone1184d ago (Edited 1184d ago )

well considering it was just a minor showing I would expect MS to match what Sony showed off in NY...but the main event has yet to occur and that'll happen at E3 so will see if MS has enough product to show off by then.

Boody-Bandit1184d ago (Edited 1184d ago )

With Nintendo announcing they will not hold a press conference at E3 I think regardless of what MS does or does not show? The real showdown will be at E3. ALL eyes will be focused on those two (Sony & Microsoft) like never before since it's only them 2 going into details of how they plan on approaching and carrying out the next generation game plan.

I just hope MS keeps the door open for used and rental games. I will get one regardless just for Forza 5 but I am big on renting and reselling my games once they have run their course.

I wonder if MS will go into specific details (show the actual unit, release date and pricing) at the 5/21 event. I think they might show the unit but I would think they would save pricing and release date for E3. Either way May 21st can't get here soon enough. I'm ready for next gen!

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Godmars2901184d ago

" if they dont make my expitation."

Think you meant, "Don't meet my expectations."

And right now my expectations are that with all this talk of social gaming, nevermind the pre-existing trends towards first-person real-time, neither system will be as diverse as the PS1/PS2 were.

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sikbeta1184d ago

Lets be honest here... MS has America and UK on the bag at the least... so the biggest Market in the World + the biggest Market in Europe are MS Land...

JeffGUNZ1183d ago

I don't think we are going to see that many games until E3. I am sure MS will show a blockbuster title with the reveal, but like Sony, I think they are going to leave a lot for E3.

GuyThatPlaysGames1183d ago

@Godmars290 I hate to tell you, but I don't see Kinect evolving at all really. The audience for it just isn't there. It's just a gimmick just like PS3's Move.

@nukeitall Why just limit yourself to one system? That comment you made was just close-minded. Why not get both to experience the exclusives and content that both consoles have to offer? Why pick sides?

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dedicatedtogamers1184d ago

It really doesn't matter. Microsoft has the media on their side. If three years of Kinect isn't enough to get the major gaming publications (IGN, Gamespot, Game Informer, etc) to call Microsoft out on their obvious abandonment of their core fanbase, then it would take several more years of blundering with the NextBox before the media finally takes notice.

This isn't surprising. The media was as quiet as possible on the RRoD issue instead of campaigning for consumers' rights like they should have been. They were dead silent when Microsoft suddenly put an end to their "360 is the #1 JRPG system!" campaign. They were silent again when each and every "hardcore" Kinect game ended up being horrible.

fsfsxii1184d ago

Its really sad, i don't trust IGN or gamespot anymore since the RRoD fiasco.

SpringHeeledJack1184d ago (Edited 1184d ago )

Well said.

They also ignore the fact ps3 came out 12months later in america and 18months later in Europe and still have come second place this gen. Would it kill them to give a campaign of congrats to the ps3 like they do with xbox for the last 6years.

wquach1184d ago (Edited 1184d ago )

Oh lordy.

It doesn't just stop at those, add in Joystiq (Ludwig Kietzmann), Polygon, and even the non-gaming but gadget-focused sites like Engadget. You should've seen their podcasts nitpicking the PS4 announcement to shreds. Laughed at the entire thing really (the console not being shown was emphasized ad nauseam): http://www.polygon.com/2013...

Engadget also shat their pants when they unveiled the Kinect in that fake promo video of the "possibilities" with the device.

Destructoid (including Jim Sterling) and Penny Arcade have called out Microsoft's trends before, including XBL's descent into an advertisement funland: http://www.penny-arcade.com...

http://www.destructoid.com/...

Ars Technica, I've found, also consistently reports well on both sides. Eurogamer, despite the flack it gets on here for their ratings, reports well with their Digital Foundry team: http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

But yea, we all have our preferences when it comes to gaming publications to read, and even certain authors.

With the PS4, it'll come down to its price and its launch to how the media will portray it, just as it did for the PS3 (remember those doom articles from the lack of games, high price tag, and poor launch? Those impressions echoed for years after).

If MS offers a subsidized, subscription-based pricing that will have the Next Box cheaper than the PS4, I feel like it'll be portrayed much more favorably to the press (they'll likely equate it to just another device you buy with a 2-year contract like your smartphone), even though the total price tag over that 1-2 year span would easily amount to more than paying higher from the start.

All of this is speculation though, so it'll be interesting to see what MS unveils. But the point is, MS knows how to work the media just as much as they know how to advertise their games (they're the best in the video game industry at it). Their conferences and showings have usually been given more slack and promise than what Sony shows.

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SpitFireAce851184d ago

You will find out the prices and release dates for
both consoles at E3...

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kingmushroom1184d ago (Edited 1184d ago )

@Pierce
Wrong!.it was actually a excellent idea because it creates interest, also if Ms releases price and date all eyes will be on sony for its Ps4 reveal and price.

i doubt we will get any date or price until E3 ( ill be there first hand to find out)

but what can i say fanboy have their own bias opinion.

Jdoki1184d ago

I agree kingmushroom. Keeping quiet on the launch and price is a good move.

If anyone remembers the classic 1995 E3 where Sega went in full of hype having already announced that the Saturn was going to rock the world at $399

And Steve Race of Sony basically took to the stage at their keynote, said something like "$299 bitches", dropped the mic on the floor, punched a Sega fanboy in the face, threw up a gansta sign, and walked off leaving the crowd stunned.

(That last part might not be 100% accurate).

kayoss1184d ago

@jDOKI
Actually that was a true story. I can see that happening.

If Sony reveal everything during the announcement then they pretty much leave themself vulnerable to Microsoft. Smart move by not putting "all their eggs in one basket".

extermin8or1184d ago

plus then sony could go and undercut it or if sony had given us that info in feb, microsoft could have undercut it/released beforehand....

OrbitalBT1184d ago

sony already stated the console is aimed to be affordable in development and for consumers to purchase. it wouldn't make sense for sony to make it expensive at the last minute.

they already stated the amount of total Tflops, cores, and memory architecture the console will have. IF there's anything "price altering" it would be the HDD space they left out, a 500 GB model and a 1 TB model.

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Adva1184d ago

Right.....
Because when Wii, wiiu, 3ds, Xbox, 360, Ps1,2,3,psp were revealed for the first time they were all given a release date with price.

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KwietStorm1184d ago

So from a business perspective, you know because Sony is in the business of making money, if Microsoft gives a price at their event, which Sony can now counter since they never gave PS4 a price, you're saying that's something they did wrong? Why are so many people treating these reveals like the end all be all of either console's information to be given? Are you really going to ignore E3 like that? Like there isn't several months before these things actually launch?

Blues Cowboy1184d ago (Edited 1184d ago )

I think they'd be mad to announce release date and pricing now. It'd give Sony and even Nintendo chance to undercut them or offer more features.pack-ins, or tweak their marketing campaigns.

They will probably show us what it looks like, though. I don't mind that Sony didn't show the PS4, but it does mean that we don't have something specific to think about when we hear "PlayStation 4," instead we just have a jumble of buzzwords.

3-4-51184d ago

The thing is though, Sony has had months of positive support now building to E3 and it's release date.

There will be less time to gain suppport for Microsoft.....They are a known name outside of gaming in the US so it shouldn't be too hard as long as they keep the controller 95% the same and introduce actual good games people want to play..

COD + Halo 5 can't be their only "good" reveals

punisher991184d ago

Nope. You are wrong. That was way too early for Sony to start talking about prices and solid release dates. That would have given microsoft too much leverage.

princejb1341184d ago

hardware is one thing but MS needs software something sony has always provided
hardware doesn't play itself after all

Mounce1184d ago

No, it means that if Microsoft show the price first in their 'May teaser', then Sony can CRUSH them if it's too high by showing the console itself, MORE games, a price tag for PS4 and more features that weren't shown.

Microsoft CAN Outdo Sony....maybe.....but the chance of it? Slim.

extermin8or1184d ago

more than likely they'll about match each other- i think the next xbox will have similar video/sharing features, which is probably something sony anticipated hence the february reveal of that stuff that way they can't be accused of copying :P

showtimefolks1184d ago

pierce

i will bet you anything that MS also won't announce a release date or price tag, also i don't think MS will show the actual box

for all the hate sony gotten for not showing the box or price, those things will get more attention at E3 from media.

sony showed games
MS needs to show games and not gears,halo,fable,forza something else

I really don't think both systems will be very different specs wise so games will be the deciding factor for many gamers

chaos-lockheart1184d ago

Words don't mean anything, actions do.

Gaming_Guru1183d ago

At: pierce

Why was Sony wrong for not telling people about the price tag and official release date at the beginning of 2013 if they could just easily tell everyone at E3?

All Sony did was tell people that the PS4 is real, here is a taste of what it can do, and what it will do, just about what an announcement should be like.

BABY-JEDI1183d ago

Need to find out how many apps & tv channels available, & how much is the monthly subscription will be for these services & all other hidden costs. Oh yeah, & the GAMES...

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sherimae24131184d ago

i want to see what the next gen consoles will look like and their price tags ^_^

Snookies121184d ago

Yeah, I'm quite interested in seeing what they'll look like as well... The price tag not so much, because I'm not looking forward to paying it lol.

kayoss1184d ago

Are you planning to steal it? If you're not going to pay for it, then how are you going to get it?
Anyways, When i first bought my PS3 (60gb) model i thought it was expensive at first but now that I think about it. It was well worth the price given what came with the PS3. I hope its the same true story with the PS4.
I cant say the same for the xbox 360. I thought it was cheap, until i bought the wifi adapter and HD dvd (i though HD dvd would win, damn was i wrong). It ended costing me more then the PS3. I will hold off on getting the nextbox until I see what they have to offer. But PS4 will be day one for me.

sway_z1184d ago (Edited 1184d ago )

I sold my Xbox 360 slim for £160 with 2 whack games, 1 controller on Amazon. Sold the other controller and all 25 games separately.

I made approx £350, which should totally lessen the cost of my PS4.

I still have my PS3 (ain't goin nowhere) and have The Last of Us, GTAV and Beyond to keep me going until PS4 drops!!!

The 360 is dropping to £99 @E3 so I guess I sold at the right time!!

*Price I pay for Shoes/Clothing etc...the PS4 will probably be an absolute bargain!! lol

Anzil1184d ago

WHOOOO CARES WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

extermin8or1184d ago

Correct i mean put it out of immediate view if you want- it needs to play your games not look amazing- that said how many sony products don't look pretty damn pretty and expensive anyway? :p even when they use cheap materials thay have a habit of making their products look good-credit where credit is due. PS3 wasn't best looking device but it could've been worse and the slim versions have all looked nice, vita looks really pretty :)

BABY-JEDI1183d ago

If it was a big pink day-glo box with furry attachments, I think you might cry!
Me, I think this would be quite butch LoL

Anzil1183d ago

@ BABY-JEDI hahahaha prolly a lil but people are making it out to be a bad thing! Sony will show it at e3 after microsoft shows theres on the 21st. Microsoft will show it cause there listening to what people said about sonys but could be a downfall because sony makes their products look really nice (except the OG ps3) and it will steal from microsoft!! I want ps4 the most but people are dumb to think microsoft doesn't have shit up there sleeves!!!ps got a hot pink controller pal and im straight as a nail hahahah

kickerz1184d ago

i think $500 will be a reasonable price. compared to some smart phones these days which cost alot more.

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IRetrouk1184d ago

I just want some solid details, bring the games and my money will follow

refocusedman1184d ago

Of course they can outdo sonys reveal, they've had too 3 months to prepare. Its not about some silly reveal its abt product implementation whenvthe systems are released.

StrongMan1184d ago (Edited 1184d ago )

In my opinion the only way MS can compete with the PS4 is to finally stop charging for free features. There are tons of ads on XBL which generates billions of dollars yet they still charge their customers for free features.

And to those uneducated people that say that you pay MS to use their servers, go put in COD in your Xbox and play online and it will say "signing into ACTIVISION servers" not MS servers. This disproves that lie. Youtube has a far bigger server farm than MS for XBL yet they don't charge me to use Youtube because those ads on Youtube more than pays for everything. But MS charges people to use Youtube on Xbox. So now some of you are going to tell me that MS charges for Youtube because it's on MS's servers?

Anyway, that's what I think will give MS a chance in competing with Sony. After that they will have to bring the games. Not just the same 3 games but new core IPs. Then they have to show that they won't abandon the hardcore like they did with the 360. Go to any forum on any site and you will see that MANY Xbox fans have expressed disappointment in MS abandoning them for the casuals. MS has a long road ahead of them if they want to outdo Sony.

@MasterCornholio

They are not happy to pay. If they want to play the online portion of their games they paid $60 for then they HAVE to pay MS to do so. MS locks out half of all games on Xbox unless you pay them. If they want to access their Netflix account that they already pay $8 a month for then they HAVE to pay MS to do so. Just like companies have to pay MS to plaster they ads on XBL. Don't let them fool you. They don't pay because they want to they pay because they have to pay to play online with friends.

MasterCornholio1184d ago

What's even more pathetic is when Microsoft hiked the price of Gold instead of losing subscribers they gained more. Anyways as long as Xbox users are happy paying for free features then Microsoft will continue to charge them.

Motorola RAZR i

Blackdeath_6631184d ago

yes but i will never pay for the privilege of using my own internet connection to play games i already paid full price for which is the reason i will never buy an xbox. i just borrow my friends one when i feel the need to play xbox but that hasn't happened much if im honest

Mustang300C20121184d ago (Edited 1184d ago )

Dumbest advice I have ever heard. Company finds revenue and succes with consumers who buy Live and have done so for the last 12 years and finds revenue in ad sales which generates additional billions in revenue for the same company. So because we make billions here we should no longer charge and make billions here.

W
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What company would would even think of cutting off something that is a success. These are a reason you don't run a business and being a armchair analyst on a website that most gamers don't even know about makes. You sound even more of an idiot.

Jek_Porkins1184d ago

They just use that argument because it's one of the few they have left. If you are a gamer, you realize it's a hobby, and Microsoft is synonymous with a quality online service, no matter what the competition does, people will always look to Microsoft and what they are doing. That isn't to say the competitions online is terrible, but people just associate quality online with Xbox Live.

Microsoft's Xbox Live grew 15% and makes a billion a year, which has helped them not enable Online Passes, gets their users a ton of content and early DLC, Demo's ect..

If you don't want Live, go with the competition, but paying for Xbox Live every year isn't a reason not to get an Xbox in my opinion, it's like $4 a month, you can always find deals on it, which is what I do. I'm a gamer, it's my hobby, hobby's can be expensive, but let me say my hair cut every month costs more than a full year of Xbox Live.

yesmynameissumo1184d ago

I really hate the "$4 a month" bullshit. Is it billed $4 a month? Why is a month by month subscription $15? XBL is the perfect reason to NOT game on Xbox. I'm not going to get frisked for my wallet every time I press power.

Darrius Cole1184d ago (Edited 1184d ago )

Microsoft is going to change when the market forces it to change. As long as people are paying for Xbox live, Microsoft will charge for Xbox Live. It would be stupid for Microsoft to voluntary stop charging for Xbox Live when all of the evidence says that their customers will pay for it. Microsoft rarely does stupid things.

While we are on the topic of what's stupid, paying for something that the competition gives you for free is stupid.

There is no way that Microsoft would pay for something that they could get for free somewhere else. Microsoft rarely does stupid things.

Eventually the marketplace will catch up to Xbox Live and realize that there is no point in paying for Xbox live because it can get the same service for free elsewhere. That is probably what StrongMan is referring to.

What I suspect is that Microsoft is going to change the service somehow in attempts to add value to XBL so that its customers do indeed get something that they can't get anywhere else for free. That is probably what all this "TV Tuner" and "always online" business is about, Microsoft trying to add value to Xbox Live, in effort to justify it.

GamerGT1184d ago

If this "TV tuner" deal is true and some type of overlay system is displayed, I'm curious if that would need an internet connection to work. And if that's a feature you need to pay through Xbox Live to unlock.

Hicken1184d ago

"Company finds revenue" by doing something that, honestly speaking, they shouldn't be doing. But because they're Microsoft, people are perfectly willing to give them a pass?

Sure, it was acceptable at first, as they were the only ones on the market with any kind of competent online. Now, though? Sorry, but there's NO excuse for charging people to use applications or services that are free LITERALLY EVERYWHERE else.

I don't give a damn about them being profitable. I give a damn about me. As a consumer, I don't want to pay for these things, and according to other players in the market, I SHOULDN'T.

Jek, are you for real? Not wanting an extra bill so I can completely play my games isn't a reason not to get an Xbox? According to who? You? Let's see this $4 bill of yours. Oh, wait; they don't charge you $4 a month.

By the way, gaming being a hobby is no excuse. Even hobbyists don't want to pay more than they HAVE to.

Your excuses are getting weaker and weaker.

extermin8or1184d ago

@jek well seeign as all evidence is pointing towards it becoming $10 a month, and the guy that gave that info out, has been right about everything else so far- including the reveal date BEFORE microsoft were even admitting the thing existed lol so he's pretty trustworty...

Imalwaysright1183d ago

@ jek porkins I am a gamer but I'm not a "drug addict". I know what is best for me as a consumer and paying for something that is free in all the other gaming platforms is just idiotic. I would feel like a moron if I did that. What I don't understand, is that you acknowledge that paying for live is a negative thing and 1 second later you start defending a business practice that only benefits MS.

"Microsoft's Xbox Live grew 15% and makes a billion a year, which has helped them not enable Online Passes ,gets their users a ton of content and early DLC, Demo's ect.."

I hope you're joking! Live IS an online pass. All the other online services have demos and unless its an exclusive DLC, all the other services sooner or later will make it available to all their costumers.

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creeping judas1184d ago (Edited 1184d ago )

Wow, I never realized I can't access Youtube or Netflix in anyother way other than thru my Xbox. Crap now according to Strong, that is the only way I can access these features. No longer am I able to access these sites thru my PC, my tablet, or even thru my SmartTV because I have a XBL account. Damn you MS and XBL account!!

Also now, a small tile with an add running on it, and add that doesnt even have sound until you highlight it, is considered plastering the UI with advertising?

kayoss1184d ago

Well Strong have a point, If xbox 360 is the one system that Microsoft want their consumer to access other media then why charge for them when they can access it free somewhere else. Microsoft want the consumers to use their xbox 360 to access these apps, but yet they are charging them to do so. Isnt that contradictory? Yes Live is bringing in truck loads of money for microsoft but the problem is that some user are having is that if Sony and Nintendo can allow their fans to use the internet for free why cant microsoft? Now with PSN+ you have the excuse to pay for it and its an option for all consumers to buy PSN+. If they dont they still can access all those apps and play online without charge. In addition lots of incentive games to play as long as your a member.
If Live offer those then no one would be complaining, but they dont.