There's a reason why Sony won't release a PS3 firmware update to add in-game XMB to the PS3: the addition would mean the end of humanity, or maybe the company's just waiting until it's perfect.
let's hope the article is right
Spelling error in title, I am Caption Obvious!
Is that a word I am not aware of? How did this article get approved?
It probably has more to do with a system limitation, and more than probably because of only 256 megs of local system RAM. They will figure it out though I am sure.
what does RAM has to do with firmware updates....besides the PS3 has the option to upgrade the HDD without buying an over-priced juk from MS...
so space is never an issue for us PS3 owners.....
that "fake" home countdown timer http://www.colorize.net/hom... because i have been checking it from time to time. As it gets closer i take note that it ends at midnight on Wednesday night or Thursday morning. Which is usually the day they update the PSN store here in N.A.
I for one will be keeping an eye on it and it would be nice if something came of it.
Stock market crashes.... PS3 doesn't have enough memory.
Osama escapes... PS3 doesn't have enough memory.
Magnitude 8.0 earthquak in San Francisco... if only the PS3 had more memory...
1- Because I am right. 2- Because Devs complain about it. 3- Because I can. 4- I complain about lack of RAM on the 360 as well but I see you left that out of your post. (even though having a unified architecture helps make up for it) 5- See #1, and repeat. And @1.4 - RAM is used when accessing something like an in game XMB. The Devs already have a hard time getting games to run smooth as it is without figuring in the added RAM needed to always have as a stand by for an in game XMB. Another problem would be older games like Resistance. If the game is already coded to be teetering right at 100% efficiency how could they use system resources NOT available running on its current code.
it's right. "In a bigger success story, the company didn’t release the PS3 until a year after the Xbox 360, and the quality-difference between the two almost sets the PS3 in the next-next-generation of gaming. If Sony has a plan for in-game XMB, there’s a good chance it’s going to kick a ridiculous amount of ass."
We know it's a memory issue that they may have already worked out. :|
I thought it was because of lazy developers.
Sony is definitely waiting until the XMB is fully functional and bug-free with all of its games. Obviously, some games might have troubles with the new addition (XMB). I much rather wait until I get a feature that I enjoy using rather than it becoming a hindrance in any sort of way.
What do you guys/gals think?
I think a large part of why it's taken so long is because I imagine Sony just recently started working on it, and haven't gotten it even close to done. It's the same way with Home. They introduced it just over a year ago at GDC with the notion that they had been working on it for quite a while, and that it would be ready late '07. Well now, here we are a year later, and now they're saying it will be late '08. With the time we've known about it, it's had almost two years of development, so it seems to me that they put together that demo not long before GDC, and have spent the time between actually making the thing. Don't get me wrong, I love Sony's products, but it seems they're lying bastards when it comes to publicly talking about these sort of things.
In-game XMB would cause flooding on a massive scale... From the tears of Xbox fanboys. :p Seriously though, I'd rather it be released perfect than rushed and not work well at all.
In game XMB is the last piece in the 'when will I buy a PS3' jigsaw.
You're not waiting for MGS4 like every one else that doesn't have a PS3?
He was talking about the fanboys, assuming you aren't one.
vjkhv: "we need it 4 sending messeges u noob hoe" lol "If Sony has a plan for in-game XMB, there’s a good chance it’s going to kick a ridiculous amount of ass." I hope so. But I'm really not expecting it to blow me away. All I see Sony adding in the first in-game XMB update is only messaging.
If In game XMB acutally comes, in game music hopefully comes along with that.
In-game music is already "available". It's up to the dev's to decide whether or not they want to support it. Some PSN and PS3 games have utilized it thus far.
[email protected] I only and only want it for in-game messaging everything else is secondary.
It is annoying having to wait for this especially when Microsoft already perfected the in game stuff on the 360 & custom soundtracks for all games
... Sony started their PSN with the PS3 and Xbox started it with the 1st one.
No, you could go online with some PS2 games. Just because not as many people did it as they did on the XBOX doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Well, the PS2 online is mainly up to the developers making it themselves. Never really was much of a big Sony service interface like we have now with PSN.
Has anyone ever considered that the reason for the absence of in-game XMB might be because of technical limitations? Perhaps the Cell is structured in such a way that all the games that are out are using the Cell in its entirety, and the OS of the PS3 (or lack thereof) during games makes it very difficult to make room for an in-game XMB? Who's to say that there isn't damn-near ZERO kilobytes of RAM left available during games running, technically precluding the possibility of an XMB on a hardware level? Why are fans so adamant that it can be done (at least easily)?
Why would a Sony developer, Eric Lempel, and the Sony boss say its coming? On top of that how do you explain the G.A.P. poll asking G.A.P. members (BTW, only Sony can make polls, not members) what in-game XMB feature they would like to see in a firmware update? Its coming......
Also, it was already running on dev PS3s prior to launch.
where did you read the "FACT" that there are games out there on the ps3 using the FULL POWER of the cell and the os? becuase if thats true, then i'll donate my ps3 because SONY OBVIOUSLY lied to me, along with the devs out there.
I'll try to answer your question Statix. Lets start with the Cell broadband engine to get things rolling. The cell uses 8 synergistic "mini" CPUs that each have 256Kb's of dedicated direct ram running at 3.2GHz. 256Kb's may sound small and underwhelming, but conceder the AMD dual core FX-55,runs at 2.40GHz, but its memory on board is only 64Kb's to each processor. The AMD chip i spoke of is no laughing matter, it is quite fast, as well as efficient. Now back to the Cell processor. As I already said, it has 8 SPUs(Synergistic Processing Units) but only 6 are devoted to gaming,video,[email protected] what happened to the other 2 SPUs you might say. Well, that has to do with 1 of them being used as a full time Operating System Processor to allow for quick in and out gaming from the XMB. The second one is left basically turned off, only able to be turned on my the CPU that runs directly beside the 8 SPUs. Yes, there is a CPU on board that is basically the traffic director to the SPU work loads, but it is powerful enough to run its own task, and many first gen third party games used just this, and left the SPU's alone when making there game, because it was just easier with there compilers. That being said, the one SPU being used by the OS/XMB is not running at max work load, and will take quite a bit more before it becomes error prone in game. This doesn't show that there is a dramatic amount of room to work with, but it does show that the PS3 is only scratching the surface of its powerful architecture. for more information on how the Cell works, PM me of replay back, I'm always open to intelligent conversations.
Lol, I explain how it works, and I get disagrees? Now I know why there are not any intelligent comments on here. I'll start going to the open zone I guess if I'm going to be disagreed with, at least they will say why.
If its about me not using 360 specs as a reference, you will be sadly disappointed at the architecture choices, as its capable of running memory at 5.4GHz(1.4GHz faster then the PS3 can achieve)but lacks memory able to run at these speeds(700MHz caped). The 3 processors on board have 32KB of dedicated memory(cache) and the system runs at 3.2GHz a second... Starting to see what I'm getting at?
thanks for your accurate and enlightening technical description - for those that want to know, its very good info. +bubble for you
Don't worry about anyone hitting the disagree, I'm afraid its the usual trolling infants that can barely read, merely hitting the disagree if you don't shout '360 is da best' in every sentence or 'Ps3 ownz all'. I'm afraid these jerks will continue to blight the site.
The rest of us appreciate good info well written, so please don't be discouraged to supply it when you can!
bubbles for u. to kaz and worshipers. it is playstation 3 not 'perfection 3'
u could be right the cell could be built in a way so that it could give huge content hundling and takes ram. but couldnt they implement it on the gpu/cpu.
I gave you a bubble for intelligent info. Don't mind the disagrees. :)
I'm glad the faith of humanity hinges on some feature of some console that happens to be in last place. The greatest thing about the PS3 is it's first and second party developers, not some feature that allows you to get interrupted in the middle of Metal Gear Solid 4 because some douchebag wants to start talking to you.
whats your point, if it happens to be in last place, people want the feature, should it only be a function to a console thats in 1st (or now 2nd seeming to head down to last) in game xmb is very useful especially for private chat, its annoying listening to people on psn and live
Appear offline FTW.
u no nothing. how can u turn something bad into good' why would u want pop ups' LMAO hahahaha
o droids are funny.
stupid organizms aint they
Come on, we all know that Sony is delaying in-game XMB on purpose. Microsoft could do it, back then, dont you think that Sony can do it too. To me that they are trying to make a FULL in-game XMB, or not XMB at all, maybe something like, you need to go first to HOME and from there you can do everything else. Well, we better way until summer.
"Here’s one more possibility: Sony wants in-game XMB done right, and it’s willing to delay the process until the proper product is ready for release. After all, the company’s used to delaying products until they’re ready. Sony’s "successful" Blu-ray format was also significantly delayed, and it slaughtered the cheaper HD-DVD format. In a bigger success story, the company didn’t release the PS3 until a year after the Xbox 360, and the quality-difference between the two almost sets the PS3 in the next-next-generation of gaming. If Sony has a plan for in-game XMB, there’s a good chance it’s going to kick a ridiculous amount of ass." The "next-next gen part is my favorite. It's so true in a hardware point of view.
thing is Home is going to play a big role in In-game XMB, just like live's Guide Dashboard. Think about it. thats vital, you see your trophies while in game or view your "gamerscore" just like live.
WAIT BEYOND!!! LOOOOOL!!!!
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for rodd repair ?
@GETPWNT: When people get the RROD, they "Jump Out"
Someone will get fired if in game XMB doesn´t work properly... grrrr...
Was this actually new? no, really.
PMR 21 LOL that was so funny. GETPWNT just got pwnd.
ROME wasn't built in a Day??? ;-D
did they . and the playstation 3 isn't rome. it a playstation.
That sounds like the typical response you'd get from Sony ;)
I would like to know when in-game xmb became the standard for video games. I hate when something pops up on the screen and distracts me from precise shooting. I'm sure it's a needed feature for some but ps owners never had it before so why is it missed now? Am I missing something? Please reply without the sarcasm. I really would like to know.
It's a meh feature for me as well. but some people want it so I want Sony to deliver the best possible version when they do.
What you want is a means to turn off notification's ... I hope they have that as well.
You can turn off all notifications ingame, its in the settings, I just cant remember the full path, most likely in chat settings or something.
...Dashboard access or just limited blades?? I read somewhere it was limited?
I'd be perfectly happy with just access to my messages, music and maybe the web browser... I cant see the benefit of photos and video when 'in game'...
I'm sorry, this is the thing that gets people confused. When you hear in-game XMB, it doesn't mean anyone wants to look at pictures or watch movies while playing a game. That would defeat the purpose completely. We ask for the basics only, That being ingame communication, and music(online web browsing is something we could wait for at a later date). There are no people crying over playing there video of titanic while playing drakes fortune. There are on gamers whining over not seeing there favorite photo of Britney Spears while playing My little pony. The term in-game XMB is the fast way of saying ingame communication/music.
this article has nothing to do with Xbox 360 and what the hell are "limited blades"? lol stop damage controlling.
Hold your horses if you read the article in EGM in April Issue you'll see why Sony is taking it's time. Sony will deliver they always due. I bet you every single game, program, etc. is ready for launch they are just spreading it out through the year. Right now their probably fixing bugs, improving stuff, and adding new things. With Patience comes success. Have faith...damn.
"Good things come to those who wait"
So when the Bots say "WAIT B3YOND"
We know that waiting provides excellence.
You can't even spell downfull right... The title is total crap so I didn't even bother to read the 'article.'In Game XMB has been delayed to Summer because it's hard to implement into the PS3 as it has a low amount of RAM. Therefore, it will take more time. Sony will find a way around this but it will be very difficult. By the sounds of that article, it's biased to 360.
Neither can you.
It's spelled downfall.
I dont get why Ps3 getting this is such a big deal.. I mean people are acting like its gonna change the world.. Do I want it? of course.. but its not to the point im acting like a freakin heroine addict looking for my next fix.. It will be tight when we get it.. but until then go back to playing boring COD4.. Ill play some show.. Then before you know it.. it will be out.. and a week later youll forget that you were acting like a child in the grocery store line wanting that gooey candy squirt juice your mom wouldnt get you..
I just disagreed with you because your a 49ers fan and COD4 is not boring! :P
Otherwise, I totally agree with you because it's not THAT big a deal. It will be nice, but I'm still going to play my games first and then chat with friends.
Edit: just realized you had "dog" in your name so you must be kinda ok... :P
you know, I rather wait for it to be flawless than rushed to the consumer and have it be a pile of crap...M$ Im looking at you
xbox 360 in game XMB id perfect(nothing is perfect but i mean nothing wrong with it). it does the job so easily. wene u say it is rushed give me an example next time. i am looking at it now. and there is no flaw to it. so shut up. think before u make fulse acusations about things first ok'?
Dude, chill will ya?!? No need to call anybody an idiot and if you can't handle that then you should take your poor comments to the open zone.
I meant the console a$$hole,
why do I even bother? Most X-box fanboys can't speak or understand anything above 4th grade English and you just proved that today moron
THe way the PS3 has been since launch, when they announce in-game XMB is on the way, it's going to be at least a 2 year wait. Seriously, this system and it's software delays/pushbacks/TBAs is a freaking joke.