With HD DVD deader than "Cavemen," Blu-ray survives as the only high-definition disc format. But for how long? With on-demand and, ultimately, online streaming and movie downloads, Blu-ray could look prehistoric in a hurry.
Sony could not have f*cken up worse if they tried. Next time focus on the games Sony. F*ck the day you got that stupid idea in your head, it was your downfall.
Actually the arrogance of winning the last 2 console races ended up being your downfall.
Jealous XBOTS dont u see the sales of the 400-500$ ps3???/
YEA PS3 IS DESTRYING THE 360 AND IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO.
Well done, lighting ferus. You have pwned every droid on this site with undeniable truth. The ONE thing they can't do ;)
Another one of those digital download articles, clearly doesn't understand the market and the technology. ZERO for this article.
It happened to another story of mine once too, a perfectly valid story, but the Sony Defence Force on N4G reported it over and over with their BS reports:
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Half of the traffic on the internet *right now* is already Digital Distribution of Media.
Plastic Discs are dead.
This is the present. Have you never heard of Zune.net? iTunes? Amazon Unbox? Pirate Bay? Napster? BearShare?
You're kidding yourself if you think that Digital Download isnt *already* the dominant distribution model.
The only people who arent doing it today are those who dont understand what BitTorrent is. When the masses get turned on to how easily these things work -- that you can pay a couple bucks and start watching your movie straight-away -- it will be all over for plastic discs of *all types*.
For f-sake, take a look at the Netflix ad on this page, here on N4G -- you know they *also* have a Download Rental Service eh?
I havent bought a non-game plastic disc in *YEARS*.
'Plastic discs are dead' - Errrrm no.
Only tech-junkies and internet nerds commit themselves to digital downloads. The market requires something physical, people like a collection. If your hard drive dies then, bang, you have lost all your movies!
Digital downloads will not replace physical media for meny years to come.
Yup, and decades ago when they made the first car that could fly the need for streets no longer existed, either. Yet here we are, still driving our cars on the paved roads of yesterday.
HD download may very well be the way of the future. It certainly does have some hype, and deservedly so, it has many advantages to its plastic cousin. But not all of the six billion plus people in the world even have access to a computer/internet, nor will everyone prefer digital, and so the need for will stay. Credit and debit cards haven't stopped those who still carry wads of cash, have they? An all out replacement may occur, but for now, long term coexistance is more likely.
Plastic disc are not dead, but I do see DD and Blu-ray/dvd disc becoming just like CD's and MP3's. MP3's did not make CD's obsolete, but it gave consumers an alternate.
I think a blu-ray reality check is that blu-ray one the format war between HD DVD and them. We are in a new era with other technology on the horizon, some might say it will be 10 ears while other say within the next few years. So lets agree to disagree on that. Another thing to think about is old technology. DVD shows no current signs for slowing down. DVD will still be the main choice for most consumers for a while, but that will not stop blu-ray owners from enjoying eye dropping visuals, but wait, thats just it the averge consumer does not care about those kind of visual, well at least not yet.
DD is the future not BR. Deal with it.
its funny how all the 360 and HD-DVD supporters are claiming DD is the future
Butt-hurt a little bit?
I have an idea, start paying attention to the tech industry and learn from it. then and only then will you start to gain long-term insight into what actually happens with the console/movie industry. Until then, you guys just look retarded.
jiin currently your the moron who doesnt know anything cause bittorent is free and doesnt require you to pay anything.
After we have seen how mp3 destroyed part of the music industry you can be sure the same thing won't be happening with the movie one.
"DD is the future not BR. Deal with it." The far... far future. But if you want to download 20GB movies, be my guest. You'll be in the minority.
@ u got owned I think you should change your name to: *I got owned* A little bitter? lol @ gonzopia You are 100% correct!
slowly warm up to blu. "nothing mends a broken heart like time, love and tenderness"... LOL! q:
the people that are downloading stuff from the net sure aren't buying most of it. think disk is still the way for developers,business,movie studios,gaming studios,music studios to earn money. but piracy needs to get a low blow and fast
this moron says "Blu-ray survives as the only high-definition disc format" then goes on to say "With on-demand and, ultimately, online streaming and movie downloads". People who want to own a physical hd medium will buy blue ray it is there only choice. I don't know why he compares it to downloads thats a whole other group of purchasers. How many people have had their whole itunes library wiped out and had to purchase songs more than once. Who has the internet speed to do this i know where im at the fastest i get is 10megs and that is quite expensive. These people just have sore bottoms for some reason do to hd-dvds loss.
If you were up to date with current technologies, you can easily say DD is way ahead of our time. With the internet infrastructure we have now, we will never see a 1080p or even a true 720p equivalent to Bluray. Well, if you can wait a couple days downloading then yeah no problem. This is NOT the ideal replacement for the mass consumers. Majority of the consumers will just go out to the store and buy a physical copy. Whats wrong with that? Would you rather wait a couple days, or simply drive to the store and purchase a movie or a couple in the highest possible form of quality all within an hour or so. You get all the benefits and freedom of physical ownership. Sell, trade, borrow, collect, or bring them to whatever and whenever you wish.
Just like you said with the infrstucture we have now. Not 3 to 5 years from now. Most people do not care about 1080p, well I do, but the average consumer does not. Most people who upgrade to HDTV will buy a 1080i not 1080p, mostly becuase of the price. Check out the artice about the Japanese launching a satellite with unbeliveable interet speed. Though a way off it will be something that will come. I remember when it took a log time to download single song, then a yer later I could download a whole album in the same amount of time (er, uh legally download I mean), then a few years later I was downloading movies of 500mb to 1.5 GB in 1 hour, uh I am mean I have heard of this being done.
you know what the funniest part about those articles is? they didn't start to surface until it was clear that hddvd was going to lose.
its a common pattern that all soar losers follow. when they lose, which is always innevitable of course, they start comming up with crazy statements like: "at this rate, it's going to take x amount of years to catch up" or things like: "pretty soon, digital downloads are going to take over, so blu ray ultimately lose."
no Id!ots, so according to your logics, all these industry analyst and owners and investors are just so stupid and shortsighted, given their years of experience in their respectable field, that they just can't see how meaningless it truly is that blu ray is now the standard format. and of course that's why Microsoft had an HD DVD add on for the 360, because Digital downlaod is just around the corner, and they just wanted to lose some money, so they went right ahead with the add on.
you know USA is a country with 300+ million people, and any normal thinking person knows that they actually dont know one person in the country that doesnt own a dvd player, unless they're homeless of course. and they know very very few people with access to a computer, even less with broaband connection. so you're looking at a ration of of like 100:1 100 being dvd players and 1 broadband connection.
keep telling yourselves that digital download is going to somehow eat into blu rays market share,to a point where it compromises the format's momemtum in the near future, when the profits the companies are making from digital download can't even fuel their private jets for a year. and im not even going to get into internet piracy and other factors.
Your right, these articles became more apparent when the battle was closing, but DD was being talke about in the 90's. Bill Gates/MS have been working on this for a long long time.
but let me give you an insight on how far DD is from affecting bluray. when you can buy your next computer without a dvd or bluray player already included in there, then feel confident about your purchase, then we can talk about DD. man, DD is so far away, that I don't any mass-produce computers without some sort of E: drive standard. trust me man, companies wouldn't invest billions of dollars on something without knowing its true potential to exponentially multiply their profit from it. Sony didn't get where they are by being foolish, and shortsighted. Arrogant, sure, but they've kinda earn the right to be a bit so.
Man a lot of HD DVD lovers butt hurt. How else do you explain the amount of these articles?
You know what blows my mind? The amount of idiots that support a format like it was a sports team, that is the saddest thing ever and an insult to humanity in general. Blu ray won, move along, put up a poster or something.
Another one of these articles... expect moar
I bought Hitman and Blade Runner today, cost me over $70.
For at least another ten to fifteen years. Even then they will only hold the larger portion of market share and not the entire market itself. There will be room for hard copies for many more years to come. Anybody that says a 6 to 8 mbps tranfer rate "digital HD download" is anything acceptable when compared to the better looking true 24 to 36 mbps transfer rate for a BD disc is kidding themselves. As HD gets more and more popular so will the standards that people want to see their hardware perform and at the moment digital downloaded movies are not up to speed.
Is the complete lack of a standard. Right now you have competing standards, which means that you are stuck locked into one vendor's implementation. For example, if you download a movie using the XBox Live movie service, will you be able to play it back on your friend's Apple TV box? Will you be able to play it back on another 360? Nope, and Nope... Where with Blu-Ray, I can play it back on my PS3, or a buddy's Samsung Blu-Ray player, or on a PC with a Blu-Ray drive, etc. Digital distribution currently lacks this ability. Ironically, the only method of digital distribution that is standardized is PIRATED movie formats (DiVX, MKV, etc.) Until there is a standardized format for digital distribution, I don't really see if taking off. Unless Apple can pull a rabbit out of their hat and pull off an iTunes music style success out of their video service. And honestly, I can see Apple pulling it off before Microsoft does... ;-)
music is still not 100% but most have just accepted MP3 or AAC, and are now offering DRM free music. But movies? It costs maybe a million total to make a music CD. Movies? WAY WAY WAY more.
These are the same people that were out buying HD-DVD players and HD-DVD movies. These are the same people who are holding on to their XBOX360 and claiming it is a better console than the PS3. These are the people.. that lack any sort of long-term insight. Digital Downloads have been blown out of proportion because of i-tunes and what not, but that doesn't mean that is where we are headed. Fanaticism from i-pods (and one hell of a marketing and ad campaign) is what led to the rise of i-tunes. The same will not happen with movies. Mark my word, Blu-Ray will become the primary high-definition media for the future. Do you think people with a 5mbps cable or 2.5mbps DSL will be patient enough to download 10+ gigabyte movies? You have to be kidding me.
I'm sick of seeing these articles as well. They're often written by complete clods with no real understanding of how much else needs to happen with respect to infrastructure requirements before everyone can download anything they want. Also, there seems to be a growing number of people out there who are collecting movies these days, and for that a disc is preferable. When I sit down to watch a movie, I want to watch it today, not two days from now. Take a look at the movies that are available for rent on the XBL Video Marketplace: The 720p versions are about four times larger than 480p versions, so don't even think about 1080p, and don't even think about special features, either.
As strange as it may seem, it looks like Sony may have finally won a format battle. Provided that they don't get stupid from here on in with respect to pricing for movies and players, then I'm all for the format from now on.
One other quick thing: Does anyone think that the Xbox 720 won't have an internal Blu-ray drive? I bet that it will. We may even see an add-on drive for the current Xbox.
it depends, microsoft didnt make all that many sales on the hd-dvd drives and in a way probally were happy they were done making them because of this i can see them being a little hessitant on releasing a new add-on so soon. bluray might not be for the 360 but it needs to be in the 720
(no idea how any counsel would survive the NEXT generation on dvd9s)
1. ISPs aren't ready to let you download 10-20gb HD movies...heck I have a 20gb cap on my downloads.
2. If I buy a movie I want to have a digital/physical backup...with DRM, I'm not sure they'd let me make copies.
3. Portability...I can easily bring a disc to a friend's house...I doubt they'll let me copy/move a downloaded movie.
4. Movie studios don't want DD right now...they're not ready.
5. There is no reason why they cannot co-exist.
6. Music works because it gives you the advantage to just pay for the songs that you want...this dosen't exist with movies.
10 years ago the first MP3 was released to the public, it had an amazing 32mb, 120Gb was unthinkable. Can you count?
In 10 years, DD might kill BD, 10 years is what I call a good run for your money...by that time BD will be an established format with a huge user base that's not likely to throw everything away for DD...just like people are sticking with DVD right now.
For DD to really make an impact on BD it needs to be fully viable now, which it is not.
P.S: J'sais compter, mais sérieusement, pense-tu que l'industrie de la musique n'aurait pas préféré que les MP3 n'existe pas?
the major problem with DD (and i have said this countless times) is:
only for the people that want the blu ray format to die will say that DD will replace blu ray - the video rentals are way ahead of the DD - blu ray is the next dvd face it
Instead of talking about a better format, to out do the Blu-Ray. Everyone speculates downloading will be kill the disc. LMFAO!! Has Sony made that great of a format???
Plastic discs are dead?
It's funny, I needed to format my parents PC recently and rebuild. At one point I needed a FLOPPY DISK. If you think plastic discs are dead or soon will be, you're brain dead.
DD is the future, but it's not the near future.
It is the *present*.
"A recent study on the usage of filesharing applications in several countries shows that between 49 and 83 percent of all Internet traffic is P2P related, with peaks of over 95 percent during the night. Interestingly, the study also shows that about 20 percent of all BitTorrent traffic is encrypted."
I personally like having a disc but then again i am not supporting blu-ray because it is too expensive right now. The problem with this type of article is that there are lots of PS3 supporters on this site so a conversation on digital downloads vs. blu-ray will be the same as the conversations about HD DVD vs. Blu-ray, both conversations are going no where in a hurry.
I work for a major telecom company, and let me state something that should be obvious. . . HD on demand is compressed as hell! It is barely 720p, and it usually tiles up during action scenes. . .
situated.i mean,which country does it operate from?
In USA, it is a major national provider. I can't specify because they don't like employees talking crap on internet, and I am on a company computer (key logger).
Its pretty clear you dont work in anything Technical with that Telcom....
I don't know what you are trying to say there, but yeah they have a program that keeps track of every key stroke. Not sure why you responded the way you did. . .
this is so cute, cry cry cry
Another butthurt HD DVD fanboy, who resorts to the last tactic and almost laughable presentation of Digital Distribution, go right ahead, download that 15gb movie, I mean it's only gonna take 3-5 days. Don't use the argument of downloading songs,FLAC, or MP3 are only 3-11 MB's of data, which can be downloaded in only a couple seconds, using this logic, downloading a movie over 10GB movie is retarded, please the infrastructure and society isn't near ready because of the cost of installation, and maintenance, a complete overhaul would be needed it just isn't tangible, anyone who thinks otherwise that it can work with the next 5 years needs help. Physical data, like discs, don't corrupt, they don't delete the information on themselves, while errors are only normal for digital media/data.
BR is a great format but dvd's are the norm. Most will not spend the money to upgrade for years. In 5yrs on demand HD will be up to par and BR will be forgotten.
And this ties into what I was saying about Sony and the BDA needing to not be stupid about the pricing of players and movies. They have an opportunity to capture a sizable market and potentially keep it for at least a few years, but much of that will depend on how they carry themselves from here on in. If they get too greedy, then they will price themselves out of the market and out of the future.
Another? As i have said countless times before, downloads are far from being the normal way people will access HD content. I say, when we reach 2012, Blu-ray will still be there flying high, only, downloads will play a bigger role than they do now. But Blu-ray disc will still have the biggest chunk. Say 65% 35%
can't understand why it should
be a win-lose when it can be a
The vast majority of people are doing to switch from DVD to Digital Download.
Not DVD to bluray. Thats the same lesson learned with CD to mp3.
Thats the situation. The Pay Digital Download services have already started to explode.
And, have you ever heard of BT & Pirate Bay?
a lot of people have download limits, therefore cant download movies. They also have too slow internet speeds for downloads to be fast enough. With CD, there was really no successor but Mini-Disc which failed but Blu-ray is past that stage.
Maybe when the PS4 and Xbox 720 comes out maybe that will be the big thing. Digital Downloads have been around since the DVD. So, why haven't have they replaced DVD? It's because there not perfected. In 8 years DD will be the only format to get but not anytime soon. iTunes, XBL, Net Flix, Lime Wire, Rhapsody, etc. are good but they lack in many areas to developers. ex.) Space, Native Resolution settings, Bit rate size, and frame rate issues. Until these issues are fixed and perfected I don't see DD as being the main thing to buy and use in the future. Not to mention it not only has to compete w/ these issues but also has to be valid with the new TV's coming out OLED. 1,000,000:1 Contraction (100X Better color)- compared to 10,000:1 Resolution of 4080P (40X Better)- compared to 1080P Better Sound 8.1 or 10.1 Surround Sound - compared to 7.1 Surround Sound Seriously now they have to do a lot before people will accept it. I'll admit for games and movie rentals yeah hands down that's the future but to replace something as complex as a Blu-ray movie will take time to master.
How many of these articles are going to get approved? It's really starting to get sad. It's also funny that the same number of people that were all over HD-DVD are now saying DD is the future. Even the Studios have said that it is not even close to being a viable mainstream solution. And please stop bringing up CDs and MP3s, you're only embarassing yourself. DD for movies and DD for music are two different things. Music: people got tired of buying CDs with one or two good songs; also, even with a dial-up modem, it doesn't take too long to download a song and storage size isn't a problem. Movies: size and download speeds are nowhere near where they need to be for this to be feasible. Storage is a problem due to the very large size of HD quality video files. Portability is a problem, you can load 1000's of songs on an Ipod, but you can only put a few hours of video on one. Lastly, people like the WHOLE movie, not individual parts. No one says, "Hey, I love Superbad, but I only want the parts with McLovin in it. F*** the rest of the movies." It doesn't happen. DD needs at least 10 years before it is a viable solution.
because it's an article written by a journalist
on a well-known site.i'm sorry if that does not suit you.
i also,am not convinced by dd,but that does not mean
this article should not be approved.
I'm not trying to crap on your story, because it is written by a journalist. However, this type of article is getting a ridiculous amount of exposure. For every one of these opinion pieces, there are more talking about how they are experiencing sour grapes. My comment is not so much about the quality of your article, but the subject is getting tiresome.
I liked both HD-DVD and Blu-ray, although I certainly favoured HD-DVD at the beginning. Even though I have access to digital downloads now, I couldn't care less. I'm becoming a movie collector, not a clip-collector as you used in your example. Digital downloads may one day be a good way to rent movies you're unsure about (but up here in Canada the Marketplace prices suck), but I hope that Blu-ray sticks around for a good long while. No sour grapes here.
Would you prefer an article from some no-name blog about how the Xbox 720 is going to ship in 2009?
Here ya go:
How about that fine, well researched quality article?
Give it a rest. This site is totally dominated by pro-PS3 zealots. Hey, PSN has a Digital Download service too you know.
for as long as hdd's can just die off, theres no way most of us are going to digital downloads, takes too freakin long anyway, will people just shut up as stop bringing in all these stupid articles of the same old "digital downloads is gonn kill bluray" crap, anyone who believes that is completely out of their mind!
Article after article come along and say "bluray has already lost to Digital Distribution" and the same gaggle of zealots spend there time with their fingers in their ears saying "no no no!".
How about you provide some kind of rational argument instead? Digital Download is *already* a massive part of how people get their media.
People wanted mp3s instead of CD. Why? Price and convenience.
People want On-Demand and Download movies over BluRay. For the same reason.
I'd be very happy to skip a little quality for the price and convenience of having *every movie available on demand at all times* as opposed to a stack of discs and having to drive to the store.
I'd be very interested to see some growth numbers comparing bluray vs. Digital Distribution of Video.
... no one even CARED about these things when it was just Blu-ray vs HD-DVD.
good luck making money hahahah
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