NowGamer: Managing director of publisher Xing Interactive adds for the next Xbox 'you’ll have to go through Microsoft to do anything'
So while Sony is looking to be more open and accessible, Ms is going the more controlling route? Though really, if their push next gen is the cable box, entertainment, games are going to be something that's just there on the system.
Sony has really turned itself around, somehow. Asked most people a couple of years ago and things would have looked bleak for Sony (sadly), but these days it seems everyone can't get enough of 'em. Hurray!
'Next Xbox Will Not Be Compatible With Second Hand' So no buying used games, no borrowing games from friends, and no option to rent a game even? I really never thought a new game console could sound as unappealing as the next Xbox
It's worth taking into account that Sony requires an online pass for all their first-party games so that people buying used have to cough up extra cash if they want to play their games online. This is something that Microsoft do not do to their customers, and they appear to be much more tolerant of used games than Sony is. As such, I'm incredibly wary of any rumors that spring up claiming that Microsoft will block used games with the next Xbox, since so far this console gen they've been much more considerate to gamers who buy used than Sony has.
"It's worth taking into account that Sony requires an online pass for all their first-party games so that people buying used have to cough up extra cash if they want to play their games online. This is something that Microsoft do not do to their customers, and they appear to be much more tolerant of used games than Sony is. " Yeah, because Microsoft would never charge people to use their own internet connections to play online games that they already bought.
@Jimbobwahey, Post# 1.1.2 What are you talking about? Microsoft doesn't have to attach an online pass to used copies of games they publish, because Microsoft charges you to play online with the original, brand new copy.
@Darrius Cole Remember that XBL fees are money in Microsoft's hands, not the publisher or developer. This is why day 1 on disc DLC exists; publishers are trying to recoup however they can. I have no issue with online passes as they are a "fair" compromise. Remember you have a choice to buy new at $60 (online pass included free) or used at $45-50 and then optionally (key word here) purchase the online pass for $10. All that being said, the only way I can see what the article is talking about as working is that Microsoft ties the games to your XBL account and if the game is bought used you'd pay a fee to untie it from the original owner and retie it to yourself. This would be far more complicated than "online passes" and an open system for used games; it would give Microsoft more control and the ability to track trades though.
Nothing has changed. Xbox mini will be only be online as already stated. The 720 will be offline and will support used games. Evil
Jimbo, I've never had to use an online pass with any first party sony game. They have mentioned all games using it, but so far have not implemented it. Uncharted 3 didn't even ask me for a code, though that was the last first party game I bought.
Not compatible with Used games = Not profitable system. Seems like Microsoft is abandoning it's hardcore market and trying to go pure TV/Cable/Movies/ Casual route. That may be good for Microsoft, but bad for the Xbox brand......you know the brand that has given them millions.
@fr0sty, Sony now uses online passes. I'm not sure which game it was first implemented in, but I rented GoW:A from Gamefly and I wasn't able to play online without an online pass.
Sony already said they have some tech that detects preowned games inside the ps4 but was up to publishers if they wanted to use it. MS said they do NOT have this tech. This rumour could end up true. System wide inability would suck for those who buy second hand. But right now only one console is confirmed to block and n4g glosses over the fact that console is the ps4.
PS4 confirmed to Block games?......link please...I must've missed that in the press conference...... Here's my link...can u match it? http://n4g.com/news/1168888...
@EVILDEAD360: "Nothing has changed." From the nothing that already was? "Xbox mini will be only be online as already stated." Citation needed. "The 720 will be offline and will support used games." Citation needed. Remember kids "My own damn opinion" is not a credible citation. Show your work, credit your sources.
@DOMination-: First, read this. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... Note this: "Interestingly, I also spoke to a Sony source elsewhere at the event this evening who told me that the anti used-game patent discovered last month was actually nothing to do with PlayStation 4 at all." And this: "But whatever reason Sony did have for patenting it, it sounds like it wasn't for its next-generation console." Then read this. http://arstechnica.com/gami... Note this: "While Yoshida's statement leaves open the possibility that individual publishers can still block used games at will, it's just as likely he was simply leaving the door open for the kind of "Online Pass" purchase systems that already routinely limit certain online game functions in used copies of games." Every source except for one, that being the managing director at Sony UK, says used games will work on the PS4. I'm inclined to take the word of executives like Jack Tretton and Shuhei Yoshida over a managing director who wouldn't know anything that these two executives don't.
It amazes me that we all are condemning Sony and MS for this feature that may occur when technically some publishers and developers have started to already apply these features within this current generation, and I expect them to continue to the next. I know for a fact several used games that I have purchased that require an additional purchase to access online features. By Sony and MS applying the feature (Sony as an option and MS, we don't know yet) in their next console, I can expect most publishers to actually use it. So we can purchase used games, but in order to access the content of the game, you have to purchase an additional feature.
Lol, did any of you bother looking up this no name publisher? Hardly a reliable source.
it's all about money a lot of companies are taking a wait an see approach to all this microsoft will lead the way the rest will soon fallow gamers are not united an the new generation dont care nor do fanboy's. it will all come to pass sooner or later
Sony going the good way, while Microsoft going the Apple way of control.
I sure hope we are being Rick Rolled and MS isn't this stupid. New only will be the kiss of death for them. That can't be this stupid, can they? E3 can't get here soon enough. If these rumors turn out to be true? I prefer options and having resale value in my purchases. That and "it's been a blast MS but I feel we are headed in different directions." CIAO
What people forget though is that the 'online pass' has to do with the online portion of a game. True for quite a few games this is an instant deal breaker in terms of how many people use games. As many games people buy just for the multiplayer. But for microsoft this means, if true, is that NO part of the game will be able to be used. It may not even be an option to buy an online pass as the disc may not run at all. Then again if the console isn't connect to the internet for a multitude of reasons, the console itself would be worthless as well. I also wonder what happens if you move or have an online service that doesn't give you the same IP.
I find it ironic that online passes is a way to block used games, so in essence when Sony, a first party, pretty much introduced this and made it acceptable, nobody gave a damn. Suddenly now used games is an issue? I have always been against online passes, because it never actually gave me anything and pretty much just took my rights away. If you can give me something compelling in return for the lack of ability to play used games, then I might, just might be fine with it. It's like MP3, CDs has better quality, but I will take MP3 for convenience and cost. However, I will not take nasty DRM on my music.
'Sony has really turned itself around, somehow'..... other than showing the PS4's basic spec, a controller, and a handful of demos, I don't think Sony have done anything to turn their fortunes around.
you cant beat n4g. a positive m$ rumour gets the "wait and see" from the sony fanboys, yet a negative one gets over 200 comments of hate.. troll on kids
@nukeitall You act like Sony originated it. This is despite the fact that EA pioneered it, and WB and Ubisoft followed suit, making Sony the FOURTH publisher to require it. Quite hypocritical coming from someone who, just a few days ago, accused someone of being a lying fanboy. Making your bullcrap all the more hilarious is that you try to imply some hypocrisy by saying "nobody gave a damn" about online passes, despite the huge backlash against it, which even helped EA earn the title of "worst company in America". What's even more hypocritical is that this is coming from a guy who's clearly pro-Microsoft, a company that asks you to put in your credit card number to play your new games online, instead of just a code that comes in the box.
lol @ nukeitall ***"I have always been against online passes, because it never actually gave me anything and pretty much just took my rights away."*** I'm pretty sure everyone is against online passes and what "rights" are you referring to being taken away? The ability to play used games online without an additional fee? You do realize that MS pretty much does that with new and used games, right? As you have to pay for live in order to play your games online...
I wouldn't call removing the "Other OS" feature from the PS3 and limiting Vita owners to expensive proprietary memory cards "open and accessible" on Sony's part. EVERY company wants to control your content to an extent. Microsoft is simply taking the practice a step further. They probably figure that the revenue they lose from rebellious consumers who want to play used games is gained back tenfold by consumers who sign contracts for two year cable subscriptions. Very smart on their part. Not to mention the goodwill they'll have with developers given this strong stance on anti-piracy.
since when is legally buying a used game piracy?
^^I never said it was. I'm referring to people who have been making copies of 360 games for the past half decade.
Very smart? I don't think so. If Microsoft block used games they have officially gone full retard in regards to what they bring to gamers. And I am talking about core gamers, the ones who made the 360 and the original Xbox sell in the first place. It's never good for business when you alienate your core audience and fanbase. I don't think devs will benefit from this either. Look at the uproar over Sim City, which went to great efforts to have always online. It crashed and burned, and as a result Maxis is marked because of the negative publicity. Any screw up with always online is a major one. Devs don't need that hanging over them. What you need is better business models; subscription services such as PS+ are the way to go if you want to defeat piracy and ween people off used games. I don't know many people who say they don't love what they get out of PS+. I'm saying this as a person who has never bought used either. Kill used or try to block it with always online, is a disasterous approach, unless you bring services that fill the void.
Other OS had to be removed for a reason everyone here should very well know. And while the Vita MC can't really be defended, at least they did more than take something off the shelf and put it in an enclosure. As for MS and goodwill, from what I'm hearing they don't really have any. Not with small and indie. Also, was talking about the next console cycle. Not the current one. And even then Sony's games are region free. Physical ones anyway.
You can't be serious LOGICWINS. Sony is well within their rights to do those things. On the other hand, Microsoft seems more intrusive and anti consumer if all these rumours are to be believed. Those propriety memory cards can work on as many different Vitas as you want, as long as you format them. Microsoft is planning to limit the disc to a single account. That I believe is unethical.
"And I am talking about core gamers, the ones who made the 360 and the original Xbox sell in the first place. It's never good for business when you alienate your core audience and fanbase." It doesn't seem like you understand whats going on here. Microsoft is WILLING to lose a chunk of their core gamer audience if it means getting a bigger piece of the casual pie. Microsoft isn't stupid. This is a company that made over $2 billion on XBL subs alone this gen. As much as people here want it to happen, they wouldn't do something thats going to put them in the red. "As for MS and goodwill, from what I'm hearing they don't really have any. Not with small and indie." Does that matter to 99% of people? Will most people spend $299-$399 for a 720 to play AAA titles or $5-$15 indie game? @alessandro10- I love how keyboard warriors think they understand business better than billion dollar companies.