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'Next Xbox Will Not Be Compatible With Second Hand'

NowGamer: Managing director of publisher Xing Interactive adds for the next Xbox 'you’ll have to go through Microsoft to do anything' (Industry, Microsoft, Xbox One)

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Godmars290  +   1021d ago | Well said
So while Sony is looking to be more open and accessible, Ms is going the more controlling route?

Though really, if their push next gen is the cable box, entertainment, games are going to be something that's just there on the system.
TimmyShire  +   1021d ago | Well said
Sony has really turned itself around, somehow. Asked most people a couple of years ago and things would have looked bleak for Sony (sadly), but these days it seems everyone can't get enough of 'em.

Abash  +   1021d ago | Well said
'Next Xbox Will Not Be Compatible With Second Hand'

So no buying used games, no borrowing games from friends, and no option to rent a game even?

I really never thought a new game console could sound as unappealing as the next Xbox
jimbobwahey  +   1021d ago
It's worth taking into account that Sony requires an online pass for all their first-party games so that people buying used have to cough up extra cash if they want to play their games online. This is something that Microsoft do not do to their customers, and they appear to be much more tolerant of used games than Sony is.

As such, I'm incredibly wary of any rumors that spring up claiming that Microsoft will block used games with the next Xbox, since so far this console gen they've been much more considerate to gamers who buy used than Sony has.
Philoctetes  +   1021d ago | Well said
"It's worth taking into account that Sony requires an online pass for all their first-party games so that people buying used have to cough up extra cash if they want to play their games online. This is something that Microsoft do not do to their customers, and they appear to be much more tolerant of used games than Sony is. "

Yeah, because Microsoft would never charge people to use their own internet connections to play online games that they already bought.
Darrius Cole  +   1021d ago | Well said
@Jimbobwahey, Post# 1.1.2

What are you talking about? Microsoft doesn't have to attach an online pass to used copies of games they publish, because Microsoft charges you to play online with the original, brand new copy.
GameSpawn  +   1021d ago
@Darrius Cole

Remember that XBL fees are money in Microsoft's hands, not the publisher or developer. This is why day 1 on disc DLC exists; publishers are trying to recoup however they can.

I have no issue with online passes as they are a "fair" compromise. Remember you have a choice to buy new at $60 (online pass included free) or used at $45-50 and then optionally (key word here) purchase the online pass for $10.

All that being said, the only way I can see what the article is talking about as working is that Microsoft ties the games to your XBL account and if the game is bought used you'd pay a fee to untie it from the original owner and retie it to yourself. This would be far more complicated than "online passes" and an open system for used games; it would give Microsoft more control and the ability to track trades though.
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EVILDEAD360  +   1021d ago
Nothing has changed.

Xbox mini will be only be online as already stated.

The 720 will be offline and will support used games.

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fr0sty  +   1021d ago
Jimbo, I've never had to use an online pass with any first party sony game. They have mentioned all games using it, but so far have not implemented it. Uncharted 3 didn't even ask me for a code, though that was the last first party game I bought.
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3-4-5  +   1021d ago
Not compatible with Used games = Not profitable system.

Seems like Microsoft is abandoning it's hardcore market and trying to go pure TV/Cable/Movies/ Casual route.

That may be good for Microsoft, but bad for the Xbox know the brand that has given them millions.
gatormatt80  +   1021d ago

Sony now uses online passes. I'm not sure which game it was first implemented in, but I rented GoW:A from Gamefly and I wasn't able to play online without an online pass.
DOMination-  +   1021d ago
Sony already said they have some tech that detects preowned games inside the ps4 but was up to publishers if they wanted to use it.

MS said they do NOT have this tech.

This rumour could end up true. System wide inability would suck for those who buy second hand. But right now only one console is confirmed to block and n4g glosses over the fact that console is the ps4.
Rainstorm81  +   1021d ago | Well said
PS4 confirmed to Block games? please...I must've missed that in the press conference......

Here's my link...can u match it?
DragonKnight  +   1021d ago | Well said
@EVILDEAD360: "Nothing has changed."

From the nothing that already was?

"Xbox mini will be only be online as already stated."

Citation needed.

"The 720 will be offline and will support used games."

Citation needed.

Remember kids "My own damn opinion" is not a credible citation. Show your work, credit your sources.
DragonKnight  +   1020d ago
@DOMination-: First, read this.

Note this: "Interestingly, I also spoke to a Sony source elsewhere at the event this evening who told me that the anti used-game patent discovered last month was actually nothing to do with PlayStation 4 at all."

And this: "But whatever reason Sony did have for patenting it, it sounds like it wasn't for its next-generation console."

Then read this.

Note this: "While Yoshida's statement leaves open the possibility that individual publishers can still block used games at will, it's just as likely he was simply leaving the door open for the kind of "Online Pass" purchase systems that already routinely limit certain online game functions in used copies of games."

Every source except for one, that being the managing director at Sony UK, says used games will work on the PS4. I'm inclined to take the word of executives like Jack Tretton and Shuhei Yoshida over a managing director who wouldn't know anything that these two executives don't.
Saigon  +   1020d ago
It amazes me that we all are condemning Sony and MS for this feature that may occur when technically some publishers and developers have started to already apply these features within this current generation, and I expect them to continue to the next. I know for a fact several used games that I have purchased that require an additional purchase to access online features. By Sony and MS applying the feature (Sony as an option and MS, we don't know yet) in their next console, I can expect most publishers to actually use it. So we can purchase used games, but in order to access the content of the game, you have to purchase an additional feature.
NegativeCreepWA  +   1020d ago
Lol, did any of you bother looking up this no name publisher? Hardly a reliable source.
g2gshow  +   1020d ago
it's all about money a lot of companies are taking a wait an see approach to all this microsoft will lead the way the rest will soon fallow gamers are not united an the new generation dont care nor do fanboy's. it will all come to pass sooner or later
BattleAxe  +   1020d ago
Sony going the good way, while Microsoft going the Apple way of control.
Boody-Bandit  +   1020d ago
I sure hope we are being Rick Rolled and MS isn't this stupid. New only will be the kiss of death for them. That can't be this stupid, can they?

E3 can't get here soon enough. If these rumors turn out to be true? I prefer options and having resale value in my purchases. That and "it's been a blast MS but I feel we are headed in different directions." CIAO
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jmc8888  +   1020d ago
What people forget though is that the 'online pass' has to do with the online portion of a game.

True for quite a few games this is an instant deal breaker in terms of how many people use games. As many games people buy just for the multiplayer.

But for microsoft this means, if true, is that NO part of the game will be able to be used. It may not even be an option to buy an online pass as the disc may not run at all.

Then again if the console isn't connect to the internet for a multitude of reasons, the console itself would be worthless as well.

I also wonder what happens if you move or have an online service that doesn't give you the same IP.
nukeitall  +   1020d ago
I find it ironic that online passes is a way to block used games, so in essence when Sony, a first party, pretty much introduced this and made it acceptable, nobody gave a damn.

Suddenly now used games is an issue?

I have always been against online passes, because it never actually gave me anything and pretty much just took my rights away.

If you can give me something compelling in return for the lack of ability to play used games, then I might, just might be fine with it.

It's like MP3, CDs has better quality, but I will take MP3 for convenience and cost. However, I will not take nasty DRM on my music.
THEMIGHTYDOOVDE  +   1020d ago
'Sony has really turned itself around, somehow'..... other than showing the PS4's basic spec, a controller, and a handful of demos, I don't think Sony have done anything to turn their fortunes around.
loulou  +   1020d ago
you cant beat n4g. a positive m$ rumour gets the "wait and see" from the sony fanboys, yet a negative one gets over 200 comments of hate..

troll on kids
MrBeatdown  +   1019d ago

You act like Sony originated it. This is despite the fact that EA pioneered it, and WB and Ubisoft followed suit, making Sony the FOURTH publisher to require it. Quite hypocritical coming from someone who, just a few days ago, accused someone of being a lying fanboy.

Making your bullcrap all the more hilarious is that you try to imply some hypocrisy by saying "nobody gave a damn" about online passes, despite the huge backlash against it, which even helped EA earn the title of "worst company in America".

What's even more hypocritical is that this is coming from a guy who's clearly pro-Microsoft, a company that asks you to put in your credit card number to play your new games online, instead of just a code that comes in the box.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   1019d ago
lol @ nukeitall

***"I have always been against online passes, because it never actually gave me anything and pretty much just took my rights away."***

I'm pretty sure everyone is against online passes and what "rights" are you referring to being taken away? The ability to play used games online without an additional fee? You do realize that MS pretty much does that with new and used games, right? As you have to pay for live in order to play your games online...
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LOGICWINS  +   1021d ago
I wouldn't call removing the "Other OS" feature from the PS3 and limiting Vita owners to expensive proprietary memory cards "open and accessible" on Sony's part. EVERY company wants to control your content to an extent.

Microsoft is simply taking the practice a step further. They probably figure that the revenue they lose from rebellious consumers who want to play used games is gained back tenfold by consumers who sign contracts for two year cable subscriptions. Very smart on their part.

Not to mention the goodwill they'll have with developers given this strong stance on anti-piracy.
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ziggurcat  +   1021d ago | Well said
since when is legally buying a used game piracy?
LOGICWINS  +   1021d ago
^^I never said it was. I'm referring to people who have been making copies of 360 games for the past half decade.
asmith2306  +   1021d ago | Well said
Very smart? I don't think so. If Microsoft block used games they have officially gone full retard in regards to what they bring to gamers. And I am talking about core gamers, the ones who made the 360 and the original Xbox sell in the first place. It's never good for business when you alienate your core audience and fanbase.

I don't think devs will benefit from this either. Look at the uproar over Sim City, which went to great efforts to have always online. It crashed and burned, and as a result Maxis is marked because of the negative publicity. Any screw up with always online is a major one. Devs don't need that hanging over them.

What you need is better business models; subscription services such as PS+ are the way to go if you want to defeat piracy and ween people off used games. I don't know many people who say they don't love what they get out of PS+. I'm saying this as a person who has never bought used either. Kill used or try to block it with always online, is a disasterous approach, unless you bring services that fill the void.
Godmars290  +   1021d ago | Well said
Other OS had to be removed for a reason everyone here should very well know. And while the Vita MC can't really be defended, at least they did more than take something off the shelf and put it in an enclosure.

As for MS and goodwill, from what I'm hearing they don't really have any. Not with small and indie.

Also, was talking about the next console cycle. Not the current one. And even then Sony's games are region free. Physical ones anyway.
Genuine-User  +   1021d ago | Well said
You can't be serious LOGICWINS.
Sony is well within their rights to do those things.
On the other hand, Microsoft seems more intrusive and anti consumer if all these rumours are to be believed.
Those propriety memory cards can work on as many different Vitas as you want, as long as you format them.
Microsoft is planning to limit the disc to a single account. That I believe is unethical.
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LOGICWINS  +   1021d ago
"And I am talking about core gamers, the ones who made the 360 and the original Xbox sell in the first place. It's never good for business when you alienate your core audience and fanbase."

It doesn't seem like you understand whats going on here. Microsoft is WILLING to lose a chunk of their core gamer audience if it means getting a bigger piece of the casual pie.

Microsoft isn't stupid. This is a company that made over $2 billion on XBL subs alone this gen.

As much as people here want it to happen, they wouldn't do something thats going to put them in the red.

"As for MS and goodwill, from what I'm hearing they don't really have any. Not with small and indie."

Does that matter to 99% of people? Will most people spend $299-$399 for a 720 to play AAA titles or $5-$15 indie game?

@alessandro10- I love how keyboard warriors think they understand business better than billion dollar companies.
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alessandro10  +   1021d ago
good luck with that

lets see DAT goodwill when everyone starts to jump out
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Godmars290  +   1021d ago | Well said
"Microsoft is WILLING to lose a chunk of their core gamer audience if it means getting a bigger piece of the casual pie."

And given how well the casual market supported the Wii, you honestly consider the active alienation of a segment of its current market a good idea?

Also if rumor is true and they're going more towards TV and entertainment support, anything resembling hardcore gaming support if going to whittle to Halo and anything else with name recognition while quality is actually casual.
LOGICWINS  +   1021d ago
No, the Wii and the 720 are two different beasts. The Wii went for casual gamers, the 720 on the otherhand is going for casuals in general(people who spend more time streaming/social networking, watching cable than gaming). There are more potential consumers for the latter than the former.

If Microsoft subsidizes the 720 to $199 with a 2 year sub to XBL Gold, Cable, and Netflix for $25 a month, you REALLY believe they won't be successful?
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grimmweisse  +   1021d ago
Good will working with developers is not some BS archaic form of DRM. Working with devs making it easier to release on to your platform is what is needed and making the tools available for your particular platform readily available.

If these RUMORS have truth to them, then many gamers will shy away from the Nextbox. Always online or connected is never a good option. Previous and current games with those DRM restrictions has proven that its a problem.
kayoss  +   1021d ago
"Does that matter to 99% of people? Will most people spend $299-$399 for a 720 to play AAA titles or $5-$15 indie game?"

Have you seen the ipad and tablet users? They spend $400-600 for an Ipad or Iphone so they can play $0.99 games. Most of these games are indie games too. Yes it true they use the Ipad for other purposes, but i can guarantee that %85 of the Ipad user uses their Ipads to play these games during their pass time, How do you explain Angry bird, candy crush, words with friends, etc...???
LOGICWINS  +   1021d ago
"Have you seen the ipad and tablet users? They spend $400-600 for an Ipad or Iphone so they can play $0.99 games."


But thats not ALL people do with an iPAD. You KNOW that.
Thirty3Three  +   1021d ago

You said, " they have officially gone full retard "

Can I use this? I just spit my water all over my computer XD
Qrphe  +   1021d ago
Now you're just arguing for Microsoft's corporate interests instead of your own.
If they do choose to block used games then let them rot and don't try to defend them. That said I don't expect them to block them (it'd be unbelievably stupid).
T2  +   1021d ago
So people think its ok to buy an item you cant share with a friend ? Hey can I borrow your car? No sorry gotta buy a key from ford ... Only an absolute sucker would lie down and take this
Rainstorm81  +   1020d ago
Logic your name is so ironic sometimes

If MS abandons gamers for its next GAME Console then it will fail..... Whether it's Kinect Gears or Halo the Xbox Brand is associated with Gaming...when they abandon that to be a casual hardware device , Nintendo and Sony will no longer consider them competition, just as they don't consider Comcast or FIOS boxes competition...and yes they play games as well.

Also u said "the Wii and the 720 are two different beasts. The Wii went for casual gamers, the 720 on the otherhand is going for casuals in general".

That statement is ridiculous, the Wii got grandparents and soccer moms and more into gaming that may have never touched a game prior to the Wii...the crowd you are think MS are aiming for have no reason to get a Xbox720 if they already have a cable service or smart tv and have no interest in gaming....unless its incredibly affordable..... even then I've used FIOS on 360 and it's a mere shadow of the actual FIOS service ( missing channels, features , etc..)
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DragonKnight  +   1020d ago
"I wouldn't call removing the "Other OS" feature from the PS3 and limiting Vita owners to expensive proprietary memory cards "open and accessible" on Sony's part."

Yes, because removing a weakness in security that less than 1% of the userbase used and was not a necessary feature for the console's basic function is exactly the same as closed and restrictive practices with the prohibition of used games. EXACTLY the same. /s
CEOSteveBallmer  +   1020d ago
Dude I somehow get your point in a business point of view, But its still "Risky" for them if they are going to do this. And you really sounded like you defend microsoft as if you gain something from it. I dont mind if you defend microsoft if what their doing is good. But even though these are rumors, still they are unappealing no matter where you look at it. I too defend my console or company of choice which is sony because I see that their way of doing things is good if not great and very "Pro" consumer. But if they have done something unappealing too then I will not stand up for them. Like example they chose region lock games for the first time. But its just an example. No matter how we love our brand of clothing or devices, if they done something against their customers, I dont think standing up for them is a good idea.
gigoran  +   1020d ago
Right, because Microsoft allows you to buy any hdd you want and install it in the xbox360. Oh wait....
iamlegend9999  +   1021d ago
Main reason why i'm switching and the the main main reason i'm switching is because planetside 2 was hinted to be on playstation 4. When i heard that i was like "SOLD".
blackpanther25  +   1021d ago
The whole thing I love about the PS4 is that it is going to open the door for more MMOs on consoles.
abzdine  +   1021d ago
i dont care what manufacturer we are talking about but no preowned no buy, it's as simple as it sounds.

This means no one can borrow games from friends? NO WAY!
indysurfn  +   1021d ago
Not only that but as @asmith2306 said "Microsoft has officially gone FULL RETARD!"@asmith2306
mcstorm  +   1021d ago
What I find funny is this is a rumour nothing else.

If Ms drop xbox live subscription then I see them making a online pass like Sony do for there exclusive games where they can only be used once to play on line and then if you buy the game 2nd hand you will have to buy the pass as well.

I don't thing any of the big 3 will stop pre owned games next gen as people would end up with far to many games hanging around in there homes that they never play. I also think it would hurt sales of games Ike fifa ect as people will not want 7 copy's in there collection
Rainstorm81  +   1020d ago

MS already will have a tough road justifying a subscription for XBL IMO....most if not all of XBL current payed features will be free on other consoles this gen
Godz Kastro  +   1020d ago
I wish people would stop acting as if this is not inevitable. Sony and MS need to catch up to modern day platforms like apple/google/amazon when it comes to digital distribution. The only reason this is talked about is because they are still using physical media which is on its way out and I for one can not wait.

I want a nice clean interface that displays all my games and I can hop in and out with no need to touch a disk...

Its gonna happen people, both MS and Sony will go this route. The question is when?
AngelicIceDiamond  +   1021d ago
More flip flopping rumors, as usual I call BS.

Meanwhile this seems plausible

In case nobody reads it:

"Moving away from questions of hardware for second - remember Black Tusk Studios? The exciting new people who're developing at least four new IP, presumably for the new console? They're in the market for a campaign engineer with serious "core" credentials. "This opportunity is best suited for an experienced engineer with a background working closely with Design to create outstanding single-player experiences in a core AAA game," reads the listing in question.
"The role will be to create and maintain custom campaign gameplay systems that are needed for our game. Our ideal candidate will be a committed gamer with a passion for delivering new experiences to the core consumer." Experience with the Unreal Engine is preferred. Hmm.

Black Tusk also needs a senior services engineer to help assemble "a reliable high-traffic web application to support console and multi-screen end points". Multi-screen, eh? Could this be a SmartGlass-style auxiliary in-game service of some kind?"

This seems more interesting than the same flip flopping rumor that pops up every week.
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Godmars290  +   1021d ago
And it could just as well be for the WiiU. More so in fact specifically because the WiiU comes with a tablet device.
Blaze929  +   1021d ago
can we start putting rumor in the title for these RUMORS? Geeze we already know how gullible the internet is. This just makes it even worse acting like they know what they're talking about; a product that hasn't even been announced yet.

That saying it's false now this saying it's true.

Here we again. June really can't come soon enough >_>
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Godz Kastro  +   1020d ago
Thats what im saying... everyone is talking as if this is set in stone. I wish the internet would just shut up until june...
omi25p  +   1021d ago
When a rumour appeared on this site the other day, saying the 720 will use used game and is more powerful than the ps4. Everyone said to ignore it because its just a rumour.

Now its negative towards the 720 its got to be true.

People on this site are so full of it.
MysticStrummer  +   1021d ago
That goes both ways. Negative 720 rumors are dismissed by the faithful, while positive rumors must be true. Let's also not forget the years of negative PS3 articles we saw on this site that's supposedly run by PS3 fanboys.
condemmedman  +   1021d ago

DragonKnight  +   1020d ago
Objective  +   1020d ago
Agreed. And if you check on the number of positive or negative comments on each of such articles and the number of agrees or disagrees each comment receives, you get a very clear picture of which camp of childish fools overrun this site.
MuhammadJA  +   1020d ago
Your disagrees prove your point. This site reeks of hypocrisy.
jmc8888  +   1020d ago
Well there's a reason for that.

If you look around there's literally been somewhere around a hundred articles with various sources of whatever credibility that says one way.

Then there's been maybe a handful the other way.

This doesn't guarantee anything one way or the other, but it is very reasonable for people to have formed a mindset towards a certain viewpoint.

Afterall MS has had months to deny these rumors, as these rumors ARE very damaging to their brand.

It's never a good thing to let thousands and thousands of people to swear off the 720 if these things are true, and then just expect every one of them can be won back. Quite a few are already gone.

Lets put it this way.

If you are standing still and everyone is running towards you from one direction saying Godzilla is coming and then you turn around and find one person running your way saying Godzilla is coming.

Which way are you going to run?

In absence of official information, which MS is guilty of not providing in light of rumors of such impactful nature, people are going to draw conclusions from the information that is around them.

In this case, hundreds of articles over months of timeframe of vast negative consequence have been rumored. MS are fools for letting it fester like it is. It's the worst publicity possible.
bunt-custardly  +   1021d ago
NEXT XBOX (XBOX MINI) will not be compatible with second hand.

Yeh we already know this, and I like how the article doesn't make the distinction between which next Xbox Connolly is talking about.

Nowgamer says Xbox 720 yet Connolly says next xbox.

Way to play with words.
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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney  +   1021d ago
"So while Sony is looking to be more open and accessible, Ms is going the more controlling route? "

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ichimaru  +   1021d ago
Lol wait, what happened to "wait for an official announcement " . dude at least be a consistent troll
JasonKCK  +   1021d ago
how many more of these same rumors going to pop up on N4G? this is like rumor number 5000 of the same damn thing.
jmc8888  +   1020d ago
Which with its so negative content forming first impressions on Microsoft's new content is akin to....

Every newspaper in an area introducing a political candidate each with an article talking about how they are a convicted sex offender with multiple dui's who can be easily bought off on any issue and also kicks dogs.

Meanwhile said candidate remains quiet.

Yeah, smart move Microsoft.
indysurfn  +   1021d ago
once again if this is true, the xbox 360 will be my last Microsoft machine. Looks like instead of having Microsoft/Sony combo I will have a Sony/Nintendo combo! LOL. BLANK MICROSOFT AND EA!
Virus201  +   1021d ago
What ever happened to "Let's wait for official announcements"? Last week we hear good news(rumors) about the NextBox and everyone wants to wait for "official announcements". Now we go back to the bad news (rumors) and everyone want to accept it as truth. F'in pathetic.
infamousinfolite  +   1021d ago
MICROSOFT NEEDS TO COME OUT HERE AND REVEAL THEIR CONSOLE ALREADY. Too many rumors out here that people are running blind don't know what to believe anymore.
azshorty2003  +   1020d ago
Exactly. It's one thing to have rumors for a new console, but with the all the outright insanely negative rumors for their next system, they really need to say Something. At this point their still playing the neutral PR bullcrap and denying even the Existence of the next system.

I'm willing to bet we don't get anything before E3. Which is a long ways when it come to these rumors on a daily basis. I also think they're on damage control behind the scenes with last minute changes because they got caught off guard by Sony's reveal.
takohma  +   1020d ago
@infamousinfolite- you're right they need to at least give small tease or some kind of info about it all.

@azshorty2003- After reading the history on E3 at ign I agree with you about Microsoft doing damage control. Sony has done this before with putting news out about a system surprising the competition. Sony did that before with a price cut on the PSX which forced Nintendo to cut the price on the N64. I could be wrong on details but it was a similar situation. It seems like Sony is getting back to there old days with surprise announcements.
JokesOnYou  +   1021d ago
Well his assumption is just based on rumors, either way these companys will get their money micro makes you pay up front for online, sony makes you pay through an online pass. Lets wait and see what micros strategy is next gen, Im guessing it will be much the same as far as online charges are concerned.

vv @zichu dont sweat it, people are not jumping ship to sony based on rumors, thats all n4g talk, those folks werent going to buy the next xbox even if it cooked you breakfast too, if micro incorporates great games, with the best online structure, plus intergrated tv/set top box programming like I believe they will, I guarantee you the next xbox will be the best selling console in the US by far and do similiar sales to this gen in other markets.
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takohma  +   1020d ago
lol you are right I wasnt planning on buying the next xbox even though I have a 360. That breakfast bit was very funny though lol. But.....if the next xbox makes protein shakes I would by it!!!!! lol
Urusernamesucks  +   1021d ago
"So while Sony is looking to be more open and accessible, Ms is going the more controlling route?"

Sony has officialy revealed theyre conlsole and its ideas, ms hasnt,so STFU.
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slapedurmomsace  +   1021d ago
If Microsoft is successful, Sony will follow suit. They are a business, not your friend.
Godmars290  +   1021d ago
All companies are greedy, but are still defined by what methods they use in order to get your money.

MS comes up with XBL Gold, which makes you pay to access features in both games and console. Sony sees this and come up with PS+, which is at first a discount sales, then later a game leasing or rental service. Both are basically the same and yet PS+, developed upon the example of XBL, actually gives something other than what could be considered basic.
slapedurmomsace  +   1020d ago
@godmars, Oh I completely agree, and I really don't think it would be added to the PS4, that would be a huge disaster to all of a sudden make peoples games non-playable. I'm thinking that would be added for the PS5 if Sony as a company is still around. What I'm trying to say is, people point to Sony as if they are their personal friend and are only looking out for the gamer. That's not true, they are looking out for themselves, and will make money where ever they can, just like any other business, they just aren't as blantly dickheadish about it as Microsoft is. But it's made up for in other ways.

As in example, Microsoft charges a ridiculous amount for a small hard drive that you have to buy from MS. Where Sony lets any lap top drive in. Huge advantage Sony. However, Sony removed features from the PS3 as time has moved on and than lowered the price. I.E. You paid less and got less, (though in my personal case, I didn't give a rip about the features that were removed) Where MS added wireless with B/G/N* and the priced stayed. (though it should've been there to begin with) and when sony made the super slim they didn't add wireless N, which kinda did suck.

Honestly we could go back and forth like this for a while, but the bottom line is, I'm not a fan boy of either system, I'm a fan of gaming in general, if it's on PC/360/PS3 or old school systems, and from you response where you weren't an ass for no reason, I'm sure you agree it would be a waste of our time. Just gets tiring to see people destroy Microsoft for unconfirmed rumors, but when the rumors was the PS4 would block used games, no one believed it. I can understand people wanna defend Sony and the PS3 cause they like the company, but the PS3 fans on here at least, are really teetering on becoming worse the Apple fanboys. If you wanna be a fan boy of something gaming related, become a fan boy of a developer. I'm a huge Naughty Dog fan, and have been since Crash, and would follow them even if they did start to make games on other platforms, I'd buy the other platform if I didn't have it just for their game. Just to add, i don't mean this personally towards you, just any fan boy for anything system
Godmars290  +   1020d ago
The only reason we'd go back and forth is that you equate having to remove Other OS from the PS3 as an obituary money saving action. Ignore that MS sold wifi adapters separately when they'd been in the PS3 since day one, or that upgrading it would be of general advantage and not just something tech minded gamers would be concerned about.

When Sony offered their console it was as the best they had to offer at the time and was sold at a loss. When MS offered theirs its cheapest and shortchanging version was advertised the most, it ate discs and resulted in "RRoD" becoming a common term.

Going back the original argument: companies DO NOT do the same things. Some put their interests besides those of their customers while others put them above. MS has done things which in my opinion puts them in the latter category. If you see things differently then you just do, but at least try and bring up some evidence or cherry pick it.
slapedurmomsace  +   1020d ago
@Godmars..yeah I guess i was wrong, you were interested in going back and forth. You go ahead and bring up the RROD problem that has zero to do with the conversation and has been resolved for years, and I'll just go ahead and bring up the fact PSN was hacked and account info was stolen. I know this cause Sony bought me a year of identity protection as an I'm sorry with a cheap game. And no, it wasn't just an OS removal, you just go ahead and ignore the USB ports and SD/XD card ports were removed. No problem.

As far as the Wifi, wifi back in 05/06 as a dedicated connection was unreliable at best. Most people had their system hard wired. Though I agree it was stupid of MS not to include is, as I'm sure it'd costed them $5 a console to do so.

And I guess it's only cherry picking cause you think I'm picking on Sony, well I apologize but as you said yourself, all companies are Greedy, but somehow Sony is greedy company that has it's customers best interests at heart. Yeah ok
takohma  +   1020d ago
@slapedurmomsace Dont forget the original xbox 360 didnt have hdmi connections. My friends original one finally bit the dust lol.

so if you wanted a hdmi you would have to buy another 360 I think the elites had started using hdmi. Then if you wanted wifi you would have to get another so that 3-xbox 360 just to get what the ps3 already had.
miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   1021d ago
Typical N4G. This is a bad rumor for MS and the Durango, and everyone is jumping on and talking about it like it's true.

Good rumor comes out last week or week before about Durango, and being pretty powerful, and right away everyone disses it, and says no way, never could happen.

Only the negative rumors are true on n4g.
jmc8888  +   1020d ago
You're reading it wrong.

Which shows you WHY Microsoft in FACT has already screwed up.

When hundreds of articles from many sources say one thing, and a single or handful or articles contradicts it, which are people likely to believe?

The part which is FACT, is that Microsoft has ALLOWED this situation to fester when all they had to do is come out and say that these negative rumors are false (if they are) and that when they have something to announce they'll announce it.

So either MS IS doing this, and they're screwed.


MS isn't doing this, but everyone already thinks they do, which means they are screwed, just a decent portion less.

Great job Microsoft. You guys must have the same PR people as EA.
g2gshow  +   1020d ago
im just going to say it like this this is where the industrie is headed if we like it or not just like fare hikes an so on. sony an every ne els pc will get on the band wagon sooner or later. when they see microsoft making all that money an publishers geting a bigger return on sales an not losing out on the used game market i dont like it but business is business /just hope we the gamers get something out of this change cheaper games would be nice but i doubt it maybe forst party games . the younger generation dont care about always on line or being watched or understand whats going on they just want to play the next best thing
1OddWorld  +   1020d ago
Inc Disagrees for me

When you purchase a game new the creator is selling you a license to his "Intellectual property". You do not have the right to sell his "Intellectual Property". You have the right to sell the disc which is just the "key". GameStop and others have walked a fine line in this area and now technology has given the creator the ability to protect his creation.

Like many have said buying used is robbing the creator of his "Intellectual Property".

While I hate big business in most cases and am completely against always online DRM. I am for protecting ones body of work.

And {Yes} there is a huge difference between a creation of the mind and a used car.
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TimmyShire  +   1021d ago
This rumour won't seem to go away. I'm not saying 'wait to Microsoft confirm this' stuff, but there's usually no smoke without fire.

And that worries me... I won't buy and Xbox 720 if true.
Zichu  +   1021d ago
The reason it won't go away is because journalists have nothing else to tall about and jump on the most popular bandwagon. At the moment it's the always online and no used games rumor for the 720.

It's just a rumor though, people are taking it as if the final decision and are jumping ship to Sony. I know the Ps4 sounds amazing and I will definitely get one, but plz be open minded about this everyone.
Minato-Namikaze  +   1021d ago
I'll get a next box if the online is free and they release more games. 1st party games have been very lacking since the kinect revealed. I cant justify buying a system that wont release games on a frequent basis for me.
grimmweisse  +   1021d ago
I hardly doubt they will stop charging for their live service with the 720. It's has proven to be lucrative for them.
Donnieboi  +   1021d ago
My head is spinning. Sick of these rumor articles popping up. Who the heck knows what to believe anymore?

EDIT: Whoa, I just finished reading it (sorry), and yeah this actually seems like a very solid lead!
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EasilyTheBest  +   1021d ago
Microsoft wont do it...
NastyLeftHook0  +   1021d ago
i can see it happening so easily with them.
InMyOpinion  +   1021d ago
Either all of them do it or none of them will. It would mean instant failure and none of them are THAT stupid.
aiBreeze  +   1021d ago
Logically speaking, it sounds like suicide however the average consumer will probably end up blissfully unaware of it's inability to play second hand games and get caught up in Oprah, smiling families and whatever else Microsoft's marketing department throws at everyone.

Still, if they take this route, in the long run, it's going to provide more negatives than positives especially if the ps3 can play used games.
Darrius Cole  +   1021d ago
I don't know. Maybe the average consumer won't know, but the average consumer who buys from video game specialty stores will know. EVERY video game specialty store will be out in force against this if it is true....

But we don't know that it is true. Frankly, it seems so likely to cause major damage and so unlikely to produce a tangible benefit for Microsoft, that I find it difficult to accept.

Why would Microsoft do this? Why? What would they gain from it? Or, if you will, What do they THINK they will gain from doing this?

It's very difficult to see how this help Microsoft. Therefore it is very difficult to believe.
aiBreeze  +   1021d ago
Thinking about it, the only reason I can come up with as to why Microsoft would risk it would be as an aggressive attempt to get third party publishers to make Xbox exclusive games. I don't know the figures and I'm fairly certain that wouldn't be the reason but maybe publishers will come to the conclusion that they'd make more money from making their games xbox exclusive than risk second hand sales on the ps3.
JokesOnYou  +   1021d ago
No No aibreeze, thats not logical because going exclusive for a dev although they would get funding from micro still means they lose a larger amount of profits from the ps fanbase, and as for micro this does not benefit them in anyway because they are still going to be out of pocket paying the devs like always to go exclusive while likely generating lower sales because less people want to buy a game they cant resell or that have more restrictions.= Why go through all that trouble when they can just pay for an exclusive outright? Its not like games like Gears of War dont sell a sh*t ton anyway just from new purchases....killing 2nd hand purchases from micros position would be anti-productive, thats more a problem for devs, because micro needs to make money based on game sales AND an accessible console.
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-GametimeUK-  +   1021d ago
Hate these rumors. Just wait for the official word.
It doesn't bother me if they are true either (as long as it isn't successful). As much as I love the 360 I will simply go to whoever is giving me the better service. I don't mind skipping a console despite liking to own them all. The 720 isn't bulletproof and I will not purchase one if these rumours are true.
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TheEnigma313  +   1021d ago
I thought MS said this wasn't true? I may be wrong.
famoussasjohn  +   1021d ago
MS is letting the rumors stay out there instead of making a statement. I hope there's an announcement soon to set the facts straight.
DeltaCanuckian  +   1021d ago
The more they let these rumours fester, or dodge the matter entirely (like they did when their now ex-employee went on that always-on Twitter rant) it makes them look worse. If it wasn't true, they should just come out and say it's not true.
famoussasjohn  +   1021d ago
DeltaCanuckian - True, it is making them look bad, but I'm not going to base my opinion on the matter until Microsoft themselves have shown us what they have to offer and what it will do. Though these rumors make me cringe at the thought of this being an available option. This could damage more than just Microsoft if they were to go this route.
animegamingnerd  +   1021d ago
one rumor says it will play use games the next day it says it won't play use games make up your bloody mind already
SHORYUKEN  +   1020d ago
I already Made up my mind. Just skip the next box.

Just playing safe. Sony already stated they will not blocking used games. But with Micro you'll never know.
Soldierone  +   1021d ago
Then I won't be compatible with the next Xbox. Looks like its PS4 and a new gaming PC for me then.
ichimaru  +   1021d ago
-_- as if you ever planned on getting one. dude your comment history precedes you. Ms' official announcement is in about a month but if rumors are all you need then ce' la vie
Soldierone  +   1021d ago
Did you even bother to read my comment history? The only thing I hate is the DRM crap, if they avoid that I'll gladly buy an Xbox. Like I've said in "my comment history."
Ron_Danger  +   1021d ago
This again?!

Just wait till E3.
stage88  +   1021d ago
Had enough of MS and its not just based on this rumour.

Really hoping for the day MS bow out of the console business and Sega take their place again.
Software_Lover  +   1021d ago
........... LOL.
Cyfyxtfg  +   1021d ago
Still a rumor. doubt it
maniacmayhem  +   1021d ago
But didn't we just get THESE rumors:

Who to believe? I guess I'll just have to wait.
izumo_lee  +   1021d ago
I know these are all rumors & should be taken with a grain of salt but it is still unsettling to know that this is how Microsoft thinks.

One quote that i find really hard to swallow is this.

'Microsoft will still make a profit out of Xbox. As for the rest of us, tough titty'.

Really?! You may be the biggest Xbox supporter there is but that sentence right there is wrong in so many ways. Yes they are in it to make money but doing it in this cut throat way is just wrong.

Again all rumors until stated otherwise but still everything is sounding really unsettling.
ichimaru  +   1021d ago
" unsettling to know that this is how Microsoft thinks" Says who, an online game journalist. The official announcement is in a few weeks.
The Rock Bottom  +   1020d ago
You work for MS by any chance? You seem to be defending anything bad that's said about the nextbox every time I read a comment from you... Its kinda creepy. o_O
ichimaru  +   1020d ago
defending and holding my opinion until official evidence release are two different beast. I'm flattered to know you've been tracking my comments but rest assure I don't like Microsoft as a company anymore than I go McDonald's. I just find it unnerving that n4g jumps on the hype train to defame a product based on rumors
yen888  +   1021d ago
If this is true then you can say goodbye to any highstreet business that sells games.

The money that keeps these businesses going is made through the buying and reselling of pre-owned games and they won't be able to survive if they only sell new games.
Captain Qwark 9  +   1021d ago
no because they will still make money off ps4 games and the ps4 install base will increase drastically as word spreads about the 720. if* they went that route, i will bet everything i own that they come out of the gate strong and then every month after that sees a sharp decline in sales as people realize its always online and eventually after maybe a year, 2 max, ms would either change it or pull out of the console race.
Belking  +   1021d ago
Same old
Klonopin  +   1020d ago
Same old lame comment.
Belking  +   1020d ago
Same old lame articles and fanboys.
TheKayle1   1021d ago | Trolling | show
Gr81  +   1021d ago
Not that
I am interested in the Next Box, but I will say if true. They've made a serious mistake.
Ilovetheps4  +   1021d ago
Didn't the CEO of Gamestop say that the "720" was going to be real compelling? I find it difficult to believe that he'd say that because used game sales are a huge part of Gamestop's revenue. I'm just ready to hear all the facts straight from Microsoft.
insomniacgamer  +   1021d ago
M$ is just all about the fail with this new console. If Sony goes the opposite path, they have my money all day and my pc is getting a new card.

This garbage of turning the consoles into multimedia centers is annoying as well. I do not mind having some features but I sure in the hell am not buying a console to watch movies and tv shows on. I am buying it to play games, end of story.
Dlacy13g  +   1021d ago
The only thing that is fail right now is people running around with rumors as facts.
insomniacgamer  +   1020d ago
True to a point, nothing is fact until M$ gives details themselves. That said, when people like Ian Livingston (President of Eidos) speak on the topic it is not as far fetched an idea.

Regardless, I am all for the 720 as long as M$s console does not fall in line with these rumors. If it is true then I simply will not buy their product and I hope others feel the same way because in the end, it is the gamers getting shafted if rumor becomes fact on these issues.
Crazay  +   1021d ago
I'm getting pretty sick of these rumors of products we actually know very little to nothing about being presented as factual. Can we just have a moratorium on rumor/articles discussing always on DRM or not until the actual system details are out?
Dlacy13g  +   1021d ago
My response to this article... we shall see if this pans out but lets be honest... MS has had a great relationship with retail for the 360 so I don't see them going away from that.

May is around the corner and I have no doubts that we will learn a lot more come May and then E3.
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josephayal  +   1021d ago
Xbox 720 Day One
Software_Lover  +   1021d ago
And another one.

And the same people, who will not respond in the positive Microsoft articles, are in here praising this Blog.

So sad that it's so obvious.

Its funny that hardly any of the positive articles, blogs, rumors, make it to the top.
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cleverusername  +   1021d ago
If true it'll be interesting reading the excuses the MS fanboys make for them!!
JANF  +   1021d ago
and if its false it will be interesting reading the excuses of all the people taking this rumors as if they were true.
cleverusername  +   1021d ago
OUCH!!! You've gone through 3 360's this gen and you POUNCED on me then to defend them!!
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JANF  +   1021d ago
i've also been through two ps3s so what, im just saying rumors are rumors.
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TheTwelve  +   1021d ago
I don't think MS fanboys know quite what to stand for at the moment, lol
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Kingthrash360  +   1021d ago
fu** this! imma wait for reveal to expend anymore energy on the 720. always on will depend if I buy one and ill wait till reveal to make a decision. looking bad tho.
Jek_Porkins  +   1021d ago
Oh_Yeah  +   1021d ago
All I have to say, if true... which it's not, games best be 30$ for new releases.
jmac53  +   1021d ago
Maybe before people go crazy about this, they should realize that Xing interactive has not even developed for Xbox.
Software_Lover  +   1021d ago

Nice job S. Holmes. +1
LukeTVNow  +   1021d ago
Or ANY console for that matter...
FunkMacNasty  +   1021d ago
These 720 headlines are starting to sound like satire
This just in: "Microsoft announces they no longer care about consumers and want to sell products to robots and mythical creatures!"

In all seriousness, I don't think as a major company, that MS is dumb enough to alienate their entire core install base. Especially with such a strong competetor as Sony as their rival.

Either way, any system that blocks used games I will not buy. Simple as that
ghostgaming  +   1021d ago
Agreed, any system that blocks used games I will not buy as well. To me, this would be the biggest mistake that any console could make, it will completely alienate a good portion of gamers
FunkMacNasty  +   1021d ago
Totally.. and not just used games, but the allegation that each disc would be registered to one console.. so not only am I not allowed to buy cheap used games, but I cant rent or borrow from a friend either!? no way
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