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Submitted by Donnieboi 803d ago | news

“I will never work on a first-person shooter game, ever again,” says veteran dev

SWAT, MAG and SOCOM veteran Charles N Cox has sworn off first-person shooters, admitting that it may be a career-limiting movie but affirming his belief that the games industry “is ready to do better things”. (Charles N. Cox, Industry)

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ironfist92  +   803d ago
Smart man.
Donnieboi  +   803d ago | Well said
I hope game dev's see the comments you guys are making, because I am freaking sick of FPS games. Not saying they need to be annihilated, but we need to cut the fat, maybe a 75% reduction of FPS games.
booni3  +   803d ago
I agree wholeheartedly. I don't even play FPS titles (save for the BioShock games which are single player), though I won't rain on anyone's parade. There are lots of wonderful games that aren't shooters out or coming out, but players may want to observe a handheld console to get the full scope. The 3DS is on fire and the Vita is picking up slack too (the Soul Sacrifice demo is pretty much crack). Sure there are megatons of shooters out, but if you look hard enough you'll find brilliant games from other genres.

Everybody go buy Persona 4: Arena. Do it now. You know you want to.
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hakesterman  +   803d ago
Are you on Dope ????
Donnieboi  +   803d ago
Damn what's with all the disagrees? What's so wierd about what I said? The article is about a DEVELOPER who is sick of FPS games. So that's why I said I hope that more DEVELOPERS see your comments so that they will see how tired people are of the overabundance of FPS games. I'm just stating my opinion. Don't like it? Then state why. Even still, it doesn't take away from my ability to form my own opinions.
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joab777  +   803d ago
I agree and disagree. We need to end or limit the corridor simplistic fps generic bullshit games. But, we need to support games like bioshock, dishonored, half life and thief. Maybe not pure shooters but there r damn good games that r from fps perspective.
Donnieboi  +   803d ago
My beef isn't with the FPS camera-angle perspective
@Joab: Of course, I meant mostly stupid COD clones and games that are FPS games but never really add anything to the genre (aim, shoot: that's it--if i'm good at one (and I am very good at FPS games) then I pretty much master every new one because they are all very similar, with a few knacks to figure out between each "new" release). Of course Bioshock, Half-life, Thief (the new Thief is my most anticipated ps4 game), Metroid Prime series, etc are still great. I thought that went without saying.

Maybe we can have more 3rd person games for MP, like Metal Gear Online or Uncharted Online.

But I still like some tradition fps MP shooters like BF 3 (which has new idea's like destructable environments, flight, parachutes, tanks, enemy-spotting, etc) and am looking forward to Bungie's DESTINY, but I just don't care for the fact that so many devs are focused on FPS games in general. My beef is not with the FPS first person PERSPECTIVE/view-point/camera angle, it is with the lack of innovation in the genre.

Edit: @ Joab: I didn't disagree with your comment btw, I agreed.
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bullymangLer  +   803d ago
Just reading the title of this article makes me nauseous.
BattleAxe  +   803d ago
Well if this guy had anything to do with SOCOM4, then I hope he never works on another shooter again either, absolutely disgraceful.
Irishguy95  +   803d ago
Yet people keep praising the new Killzone...which is a closer to Cod than any other game.
trenso1  +   803d ago
wait hold on thief is going to be in fps...-_- i was hoping third person
TechnicianTed  +   803d ago
@trenso1

Umm, the series has always been in first person. Have you actually played Thief before?
UnholyLight  +   803d ago
@irishguy95

You kidding me, I don't own a PS3 but I've played a lot of Killzone over the years with my best buddy who always had PS2 and PS3 so I was always playin it with him.

Clearly you've never played Killzone before as it is as much of a copy of CoD as Smartcar is to a Ferrari.

The two are totally unrelated save for the fact that they are both FPS and have a single player and multiplayer component.
Winter47th  +   803d ago
The last SOCOM made me not want to play another shooter for the rest of my life.
4Sh0w  +   802d ago
@Donnieboi, I disagree I don't think devs need to stop making FPS games or any type of games as long as gamers buy them, as for the gamers who are "sick of FPS" games then they have the free will to avoid them and buy what they like, I mean even with all the tons of FPS, a few good but most I admittedly don't like there are still mountains of other types of great games. Whats more offensive to me is this sense of entitlement that some have that ALL games, every game should be made to cater to their likes, some like my little cousins, kids, older folks like games too, not to mention all sorts of other casual/hardcore gamers that from time to time just want some mindless pick up and play game or uncomplicated game, should they not be allowed to enjoy some random shooter like lets say Bulletstorm because in their eyes its just for FUN?

Seems to me you are implying that the only games that are worthy are the ones YOU approve of.
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portal_2  +   803d ago
career-limiting movie?
teresa3smi   802d ago | Spam
3rdps now?
Mithan  +   802d ago
Ya, I am sick of the FPS genre as well, and having been playing it since its conception, I've put more hours into it than most.

Games in general are starting to bore the shit out of me. Minecraft is probably the only unique thing to really interest me in the 5 years.
NastyLeftHook0  +   803d ago
good, now bring the older style difficult socom back. look the real socom fans are a different breed of gamer, feed us a real socom and we will eat it
TrevorPhillips  +   803d ago
There are way too much FPS games, we need something different :)
The_KELRaTH  +   803d ago
Don't disagree but some of the root issues are with the console controller. There needs to be proper support for mouse/trackball/touchpad & keyboard to allow for more strategy games like Command & Conquer series as well a opening up to a wider range of fps games such as the much faster "twitch" fps games.
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humbleopinion  +   803d ago
First Person games are quite different from each other already: Battlefield and COD spawned a few military shooter clones (class based and non class based) but most don't get close to their high bar and we're not forced to play them.
In the meantime, Halo offers a completely unique experience that is nothing like these military shooters (or Tribes, if once again you wish to opt-out for a class based game).
Borderlands takes a completely different approach as a co-op fps/rpg hybrid and once again offers something different and fresh.
Far Cry also takes you in a different path, that of a completely open-world shooter, and while its half-sibling Crysis is not really open world it also offers some unique traits thanks to the implementation of the suite abilities.
And games like Dishonored and Portal stride ever more further away and while being first-person they can't even be called shooters. The variety is great.
Detoxx  +   803d ago
Just be yourself and you might make an awesome game, look at SOCOM
DragonKnight  +   803d ago
Amen to this. Hopefully more devs will follow suit and we can put an end to this emphasis on shooters.
HonestDragon  +   803d ago
And thank goodness to that. FPS doesn't need to be the end all, be all for a game. Change and creativity are what is needed in the industry, not the basics of what's popular. I totally agree that the industry "is ready to do better things".
itBourne  +   803d ago
Good read, been tired of shooters for a long time, plus found the crack addiction that is League of Legends. In all honesty tho, its funny, we are in an age of multiplayer gaming, yet the competitiveness of games is less and less with each iteration. Bring back competition please, to any genre, shooter or otherwise.
xc7x  +   803d ago
Socom veteran? Socom 4 is hardly a "Socom" game yet a first person shooter either.
BitbyDeath  +   803d ago
I prefer TPS shooters like Warhawk.
Although I don't mind the occasional Halo, Killzone or Timesplitters. FPS games just feel too limited in vision.
jocomat9  +   802d ago
^^^THIS^^^
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SJPFTW  +   803d ago
He should stop making them because the ones he made were terrible. He should stick with something simple like a Farmville rip-off (instead of COD rip-offs)
hakesterman  +   803d ago
Bring em like there is no Tomorrow. We need more games like GTA and Mafia.
CanadianTurtle  +   803d ago
Personally, I'm a fan of FPS games. I don't think FPS games are the problem here. The problem is that the genre is following in the footsteps of Call of Duty instead of differentiating themselves from the generic shooters.
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Ravenor  +   803d ago
Does everyone here realize there has only been one FPS released this month? Shootmania which is officially out this month, and later there will be Blood Dragon and one TPS GodMode, is that really too much? Do you really feel like we're drowning in to many FPS games?
WeAreLegion  +   803d ago
FPS is just a genre... There are many different types of games within that genre.

There are many great FPS's. There will be many great FPS's releasing in the future.

I realize that the genre has become massively popular, but it's the result of developers not wanting to take a risk with a genre that doesn't sell as well. I think we'll see the genre slow down in the next generation.
Cam977  +   803d ago
I play a lot of GRAND THEFT AUTO. I recently 100% IV which requires the player to shoot 200 pigeons around LC. I also 100% the two 'Stories' games. Not FPS, 12 year olds play COD.
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urwifeminder  +   803d ago
He will be back when his next games sell 2 copies.
BLKxSEPTEMBER  +   803d ago
Shooters are the most played genre on any console. No point in complaining about them cause their here to stay...
mydyingparadiselost  +   803d ago
So does anyone else think it's f'ed up this Superdad guy had to take his 5 year old to work with him cause he had to pull so many hours? The real story here is an industry that pushes too few to do too much in the name of even more profit.
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unworthyBOZO  +   803d ago
Good man
ZodiAc9292  +   803d ago
You guys are stupid, all good gamers love FPS games.. why? because those are the most challenging and the games that require the most skill use.. aim, fast reflexes, strategy, gaming IQ, outsmarting opponents and much more... hon, lol and wow = fat losers with no IQ who think they are "gamers" ..

FPS is here to stay and it always will be.
WUTCHUGUNNADO  +   803d ago
Nah... COD isn't that deep. Most people spray through walls and camp then throw a fit if they die once. BF3 has a little more depth but usually your always out gunned by someone in a vehicle. I still think halo has the best balance between fun and competition but I haven't been into it since halo 3 which wasn't as good as halo 2. I Agree completely with WOW though... after seeing that kid stick a remote up his ass I'm just glad I never gave it a chance.
Ravenor  +   803d ago
1v1 Quake/UT pretty much out does any game for what Zodiac was preaching.

"I'm just glad I never gave it a chance." I'm confused how you can agree with someones assertion about HoN, LoL and WoW (Which is erroneous) when you've never played the game?
ZodiAc9292  +   803d ago
Yes? and about CoD.. it wasn't like that back when the first modern warfare came out, and I am a top all around gamer from Denmark, so my thoughts are more towards CS 1.6 and CS:GO, but yes.. cod has gone in a bad direction, can only hope that the next gen COD will be more taken care about.
WUTCHUGUNNADO  +   803d ago
Sorry... Counter strike isn't the first thing that pops in my mind. Completely fits in with your initial description... de-dust2
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Evil_Ryu  +   803d ago
i can see how playing socom could turn you off from shooters
Stoppokingme  +   803d ago
Thumbs up to the guy for speaking out.

I could imagine this poor sap was once like every dev at the start of their careers, who wanted to shake things up and make innovative games.

But now he, amongst others, had to work 925 on projects that have no innovation whatsoever.

That's the CoD effect for you, quite a few FPS publishers now are focused on emulating CoD's financial success, rather than branching out and doing something different like new IPs.

Suits would call that 'risk management' which works fine, but in the gaming industry it stinks.
Muigi  +   803d ago
Lol MAG was the worst fps I've ever played, Socom hasn't been good since the Ps2 days, and SWAT just blew. He's just mad all the games he put out sucked.
Salooh  +   803d ago
I played worst games then MAG. MAG had something special. They made it for a purpose and they achieved it. It was fun, challenging, huge numbers of players in console. It's a good game . You just needed to get used to it.
KontryBoy706  +   803d ago
I do hope next gen has a more well rounded more balanced genre of games. this gen was heavily saturated with FPS. I don't have anything against them but there definitely needs to be an adjustment made next gen.
DiRtY  +   803d ago
so he never made a good one then.
There are awesome FPS games that offer great gaming experiences (Halo, BioShock, CS).

And there are FPS games that don't (MAG, Homefront).

The problem is not the genre, but what a dev can do with it.
manjizz1995  +   803d ago
Its about time some one takes a stand
KillrateOmega  +   803d ago
We All Gotta Admit...
There are A LOT of first-person shooters. A little more variety wouldn't hurt.
FunkMacNasty  +   803d ago
I think we need to establish what the criteria is for a "first person shooter".. When I hear that "FPS" term, I think CoD, Battlefield, Killzone, MoH, Halo, etc. Of course most of us like to razz these games as being generic FPS shoot fests.

But what about games like Skyrim Fallout, Deus Ex:HR, Bioshock, and some other games that utilize a first person perspective, but are more games for people who are interested in story/narrative and different gamplay mechanics than just "run, shoot, reload, throw grenade"

I think that we need to discern between FPP (First Person Perspective) and "FPS".. because as it stands "FPS" kinda covers 70% of games out there, simply because their experienced from the first person view
Tzuno  +   803d ago
I want tons of rpgs.
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