Watch Dogs creative director Jonathan Morin talks PS4 improvements and confirms that both demos were shown in real-time.
so ps4 gets the best console version. sweet, but ubisoft, dont mess it up with always connected PLEASE
Hopefully not....I don't want arseholes invading my game and messing around.
"Always Online" is exactly what the "Watch Dogs" stands for... Irony.
i want assholes to invade my games, they will end up like the derpy players who invade my demons souls world. its a cool feature and i totally want it in watchdogs.
Yeah but they shouldn't force us to use it....if there isn't a button to turn it off without ruining other online features then it's silly. Developers shouldn't force us to do anything
No ones forcing you to play their game. If its a key element of the game deal with it or don't play it.
@NegativeCreepWA It's not the bloody point, the game looks amazing I just don't want to be forced with a feature that will ruin the game for me....hell not just me I bet theres a load of people out there who wouldn't want this. A nice single player experience, if you want to add your friends in the game then fine but don't force people to game with stragers. It's called choice....god no wonder games get tacked on online features with people like you around, the "deal with it" attitude.
If you want to play single player, buy a single player game. If a developer wants to add a multi-player aspect as a key feature to the experience, they should be allowed to do so. Sorry, but people like myself allow devs to make the games they want to make, not what I think they should make, or expect them to cater my needs. I enjoy both single player and multi-player games and I prefer to experience a game the way it was intended be. You're the type off person that would play Demon Souls offline and take away half the experience. People like you kill innovation for your own selfish desires.
How the h3ll does making an feature optional kills innovation ? Do you know what innovation means? It sure as hell doesn't mean removing or not implementing options,thats the complete opposite. Better question, since when did wanting options become " selfish desire"? No game should require an internet connection, point blank. Thats like taking 2 steps forward by implementing online and 3 steps back by making it an requirement. Its beyond stupid and not innovative at all You can enjoy required internet all you want but dont try to argue that its innovative or a good feature because the negative FAR out weighs the positive
You have a point. Developers can make their game however they want. If people don't like it, no one has a gun to their heads, so they don't have to play it. Better yet, when you refuse to buy a game with features you loathe, you discourage other developers from making the same "mistakes". Developers and consumers work hand-in-hand with how the future of games plays out.
>mfw people already complain about a feature that they haven't experienced.I bet you can cut it off easily if you don't want it.
lol at these people baawing to those who simply want an option to deactivate the online functions. I mean seriously; you had to go as far as telling people not to buy it when the simple solution is to allow us to make a choice? keyboard warriors is what you are though unfortunately, the 'warrior' trait is restricted to the 'keyboard' and not IRL where it truly matters.
Actually they don't mention the next Xbox version, which will probably be identical. They say the PS4 version will be better then the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions, and rightly so, but I wouldn't expect it to be any different then the next Xbox version. I wholeheartedly agree with you on DRM though, if they force an online connection I'll skip it.
I approve this. +1 Well said
I cannot wait until Watch Dogs. I'm fine with the campaign having multiplayer components (those of which we do not know yet), but if I have to be online for a game that is purely single player, then no thanks. I'm ok though with typing a code to confirm my purchase though, kind of like with Steam, where you type in the code and can play offline. But, I'd rather bypass all of that since it's a console.
Watch Dogs will make use of the PS4's touchpad, an example given was that it will be used to control his phone. Little things like that might make it the better version although 720 might have some other features that we don't yet know about.
I doubt it will be better than the Wii U version.
With what they plan for Watchdogs it seems to me that playing offline will only offer fraction of the experience. I still want the capability to play when the internet is out, but they seem to take online interaction to a new height and build on top of what was good in games like Journey and Dark Souls and Red Dead Redemption with the rockstar club thingy. It doesn't feel like the forced always-online of games like diablo and simcity.
tentonsoftube wrote, "so ps4 gets the best console version." It doesn't exactly say the PS4 version is the best console version. Here is what they said, “When the PS4 showed up it did bring new possibilities to improve graphics and every AI systems we have. But in the same way we did for four years already, we will continue to look beyond what is possible to achieve in order to bring this little something extra out there for players to enjoy. So expect more AI behaviors, more realistic consequences to your actions and an overall improvement in visuals realization. Our team has been working on this very complex ecosystem for more than four years now; this is what is required to build such an intricate set of AI systems.” “What the new machine brings is new processing power and memory to run these things, but the biggest investment is always the time and the quality of the resources required to pull it off. So not only does the next generation bring more possibilities, but it also brings new challenges that we believe are extremely exciting from both a player’s and a developer’s perspective.” Nothing about that suggests they can't or won't do the same thing on the next Xbox. Right now there is still a embargo from developers to actually speak about the next Xbox. Do we really need to start the next console wars this early?
@Root- I think thats the point. It makes the gameplay dynamic. You'll encounter hackers that want to impede your progress, but on the flip side is that you'll also find people who will want to work with you towards a common goal. Either way, gamers should get to choose if they want this added online functionality.
if its always online then im not getting it. i allow developers aa choice to make cool things but i want them to make things i like or they dont get my money.
@Jek_Porkins- The 720 version hasn't been mentioned probably due to some exclusive functionality with the 720 in regards to Kinect or Smartglass support.
no man ..he is just talking about the only official next gen console ... ubisoft game? well will run better on xbox for sure as every ubisoft game
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@sly you tried so hard to be funny, dint work out though.
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Why would you not want to play Watch Dogs when connected to the internet? That will likely be the best thing about the game considering it looks like other people can join your game to hunt you down or help you. It's like Demon's Souls in a way. That game was best played while always connected (unless you tried to "cheat" by disconnecting so you could fight an easier/AI Old Monk boss or something).
The iphone version will have no drm. So win!!
same will be for the Xbox next version. I cant imagine the horrible versions for 360 and PS3 lol
Many people need to take this into consideration.......Watchdogs was said to be a next gen IP and started as a next gen game NOT a PS3 or 360 game. To date we haven't seen a PS3 or 360 version of this game.....quite telling indeed. Only seen it running on PS4 and a high end PC. Same can be said about Destiny. Though it was shown a week before PS4 was announced, its quite clear all the footage is PS4 or 720 next gen footage. Very...very telling. These are not current gen games with next gen ports people.
best version of the gimped version. ps4 gamers rejoice!
To me it is simple. If it is "always connected" I probably will not buy it. This goes mostly for single player games. Though we will likely see some games with some kind of gimmick added to justify that nonsense. Actually, this may be one of those games.
Where did it say that PS4 gets the best console version? As you notice they haven't said anything about the XBOX 720. That is because they aren't able to talk about the 720 yet. So speculate all you want but I bet money that the 720 will come out ahead. Less issues to deal with and running on Windows 8. So easy for them to take PC work and integrate it into the 720. As soon as they are allowed to talk on the 720 then you can hate on 'Watch Dogs' the same way you hated on other multi-console titles that were better on 360 in the past. Save this link so you can come back to it and mark my words.
Morin: he said that “Both the E3 demo and the PS4 conference demo were played in real-time.” Awesome
The E3 demo was running in real time...but on a high end PC. Not the PS4/720. Visually, what we saw at Sony's conference two months ago didn't reach the graphical fidelity of what we saw at E3. http://www.destructoid.com/...
@LOGICWINS There is no difference in graphics. In fact the water (in the canals) looks miles better in the PS4 demo than the prior E3 PC version (it was kinda dark in the E3 demo and graphics always seem to look better when things are darker). With these specs on PS4 and PC at the moment the game will be EXACTLY the same in most parts. According to the DEVELOPER himself it will be somewhat better in certain areas on PS4. He knows what they have done and what is possible. your're trying to say he doesn't know what he is saying? Stop being so childish. You know better.
yeah Logic I have to say that sounds...pretty dmub. Your not talking into consideration that Ubisoft is not the greatest PC developer, also we didn't even see that much PS4 footage, the game is clearly at a more finished build, I can't see why the PS4 version would look worse. Ubisoft is not making a version "better" or anything like that...they are a 3rd party developer. They are looking to get it sold on ALL systems. (PS3 and 360 version don't count on that, they will look less good by default because of tech) "didn't reach the graphical fidelity of what we saw at E3"....um you mean what "you" saw. I never even heard once taht Watchdogs even looked less good on PS4 LOL! PS4 and 720 are the target systems, its likly they had the PC version running on those type of specs.
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Yes but the E3 demo was running on a high spec PC and for whatever it's worth, what they showed at the PS4 event looked indistinguishable (even though it wasn't running on a final spec PS4). We haven't seen the current gen console version yet, I hope people don't think the PS3/360 versions will look as good as what we've seen.
"what they showed at the PS4 event looked indistinguishable (even though it wasn't running on a final spec PS4)" Disagree completely. http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... Compare the lighting and weather effects. The difference is rather clear. Even more clear we you look at 6:30 onwards in the E3 demo. The weather effects we're COMPLETELY ignored for the PS4 demo for a reason. The difference would have been too apparent and Ubi knew people we're going to make direct comparisons with the PC/PS4 versions(with the PC being the clear winner). They didn't want console gamers to feel like they we're being shortchanged. Perfectly understandable. The PS4 version doesn't look "bad" by any means, but what we saw at E3 was more technically proficient. Even if what you said we're true and both version were indistinguishable from each other, you think the PC version hasn't been significantly improved in the past 10-11 months? EDIT: Also, examine the contrast on both versions. The colors are CLEARLY more washed out on the PS4 version while the PC version's colors look much more vibrant(compare 1:53 on the E3 demo to 4:55 on the PS4 demo). As I said, there is a clear difference.
@LOGINWINS The thing is, the PC demo was during a completely different time in the game showing nighttime and rain effects, which were not present PS4 demo. So we can't make direct comparisons as of yet. Of course with the final version, I won't be surprised if the PC version has a slight edge, with it being the lead platform, and the devs having comparatively little experience at developing for the PS4. But from what I've seen from the PS4 demo, and from the beginning of the E3 PC demo, they looked VERY similar.
"The thing is, the PC demo was during a completely different time in the game showing nighttime and rain effects, which were not present PS4 demo. So we can't make direct comparisons as of yet." I pretty much answered all of this above. "But from what I've seen from the PS4 demo, and from the beginning of the E3 PC demo, they looked VERY similar." Yeah, the PS4 versions and PC versions will look similar. Just like the PS3 version will look similar to the PS4 version. We are dealing with the same environments/color palette etc. So of course, the PS4/720/PC/PS3 versions will look "similar". Still, if you look at the videos above. Anyone with eyes and an open mind can see differences. Ubisoft's goal at the PS4 presser was to do everything possible for people NOT to see those differences. But they do exist. To your credit, even if we can't directly compare weather/rain effects, you have to admit that the PS4 version's colors lack the vibrancy of the PC version. I understand this is a launch title and its not supposed to be a title that can go head on with its PC counterpart, but it does discourage me from buying this game at launch. From what I've seen in Killzone: Shadow Fall and Drive Club, the PS4 is capable of so much more. Multiplatform devs need to step their game up.
'To your credit, even if we can't directly compare weather/rain effects, you have to admit that the PS4 version's colors lack the vibrancy of the PC version.' The Playstation Meeting playthrough was on a PC, not the PS4. They didn't want to drag along the dev kit ... Ubisoft's words not mine. Can't find the link where they say that but here's confirmation of it running on a PC. http://www.dsogaming.com/ne... I didn't see any differences myself to be honest. I saw heavier rain and a different time of day that lent the scene a more colourful hue, but I didn't see any graphical differences. Then you have to take into consideration that one is a video and the other is a video of a live playthrough, which is never going to quite have the clarity of the original E3 demo.
"The Playstation Meeting playthrough was on a PC, not the PS4. They didn't want to rag along the dev kit ... Ubisoft's words not mine." Whaaaat? So, that means we haven't seen any footage of the PS4 version yet? I would like to know what I'm going to be spending my money on in October. Surely we'll see something at E3 I hope.
Well considering you are in an article stating the 'improvement(S)' the PS4 brings to the game, it's probably likely it will look better than any of the footage we've seen so far.
Another interesting fact is that Ubisoft said they didn't receive PS4 devkits till Dec 2012 and they weren't even equipped with the 8gigs of GDDR5 that was announced at the event. I'll go look for the link that confirms this. But it leads me to believe that Ubisoft and many other devs didn't have a console demonstration to show off so they edited the HUD of the PC footage to display PS buttons during the meeting. And what was shown is Running on the PC in both instances, and to me are indistinguishable from each other besides weather effects not being shown.
PS4 is going to have playable games at E3 so no doubt this will be one of the games available to play. http://www.polygon.com/2013...
@Gribble- I hope your right
My worry isn't for the PS4, It's for the 720. We really need it to be as powerful as the PS4. Devs will nearly always pander to the lowest common denominator so any extra power will be pointless. It could be the other way around of course, but I've only got rumours to go on for the 720 and as of now it's the weaker system ... 'RUMOUR' wise anyway.
does it even really meter? this game was the worse looking next gen game Sony showed. This will have a good thrilling campaign, I can tell.. it will not be about the visuals who are far from amazing. Plus this game is possible on the PS3, is not a next gen game but a port from last gen with some enhancements for next gen and PC . PC been the main plataform? maybe since PC games never uses it highest common denominator.. so most can play it, even low end PC's and high end PC's like always can have better visuals and fps .
This and Infamous second son have me hyped for next gen.
Infamous more so. That IP is hands down my favorite this gen. Only series I have plats for all games (100% in festival of blood)
a man has all plats in GoW, Uncharted, Infamous, Ratchet and Clank, and Sly so he's ready for more of any of those on PS4! Though new IP would be great too.
If its always online, count me out. Their mention of always connected worries me, ALOT.
the pc version will for sure be the best version, though i have no doubt the ps4 version will be amazing too! the next xbox is the real wild card, i wish MS would just come out and talk about it!
He didn't actually say it would play any different next-gen. My guess from what he said is that it wiil be the same game but with a hi-res texture pack for next gen consoles.
Essentially the PS4 and the PC version will be identical. Then next gen won't truly get there until the games no longer cater to the tech of the last gen. Look at the PC version of Borderlands 2 as opposed to the Xbox and PS3 versions. PS had interactive blood and fluid dynamics and tear able interactive cloth simulation and lots of bells and whistles. They simply removed a lot of that for the Console versions but it was the same game at its core that was built to run on 6 year old tech. I'm looking forward to the day where they fully leave behind the old hardware and become truly next gen. Where the games couldn't possibly run in any capacity on the old systems. That is the Next gen and sadly it will probably take a few years for companies to leave the old systems behind.
they will all be essentially the same... it's the same game and all the same elements in it. The only difference is that on pc it will look sharper and run faster. Plus textures/lightning a bit more complex.
Edit : Sorry. I feel like i'm not putting everything and i won't give this justice because this subject needs more thinking and i don't have the time for it. I don't take it back for that reason but It need more explaining before i say it to make more sense ...
The graphics fidelity of this game will be the same on ps4 and pc, but the pc version will have the better version of course, more anti-aliasing, less blurry textures and wich can support higher resolution and higher non locked frames per sec
why so? the ps4 has decent spec i expect the only things pc versions will have over the ps4 in 90% of multiplatform games will be the higher frame rate options IF amd big If someone has the specs to run the games at that. Otherwise i don't expect to see anything else between the two for quite some time, and the textures at any rate on the ps4 will certainly be the on par wit hthe highest settings on pc- you know why? all that lovely bluray space when pc games tendto be download or on a normal disc, plus all that RAM bandwidth to load the textures at a superfast speed so it's probably going to be a year or two before we see the pc starting to get most of those ^ improvements and even then it's unlikely to be that noticable.
I still plan on getting the Wii U version even though I'll have a PS4, Xbox720 and a more than capable gaming pc. /Choice #Dealwithit
The developers have talked about it alot but haven't actually shown the ps4 version yet... the playstation meeting one was a high spec pc... they didn't want to take the dev kit so can I just take a moment to allow everyone to bask in the humour of how stupid several posters in this comments section now look with their "pc looks better than this ps4 gameplay" when they were both on the same format... hahaha Back on topic: This potential invading others worlds sounds like the demons souls thing, although I personally loved that (provided invader wasn't using some stupidly OP equipement/ cheating or lagging...) I think would be a good feature although when playing single player there should be a way to opt out as it's not to everyones taste I think.
If Microsoft doesn't bring it this year I'm going back to play-station.
Better on PS4 or not, I got my Wii U copy pre-ordered. I'm so looking forward to this game.
Lol at people who buy this on WiiU
I actually pity them. ;)