Bethesda Has No Right to Whine About Second-Hand Transactions

Hardcore Gamer: It’s really sad to see companies whine about gamer’s right to engage in second-hand transactions, because if the tables were turned on them, they’d do exactly the same thing and with exactly the same sentiment. Games aren’t cheap, so if time and resources are spent on something that could have been enjoyable, but turned out to be poop, then when what right do publishers and developers have to blame gamers?

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GalacticEmpire2041d ago (Edited 2041d ago )

100% agree!

Message to devs/publishers:

If you want our money, MAKE BETTER GAMES.

End of story.

MasFlowKiller2041d ago (Edited 2041d ago )

I completely disagree.

If you have a single Player game even if the game is Good, Bad, Amazing or Horrible, every used copy sold is a lost sale for the publisher / Developer.

The problem is not us gamers the problem is gamestop who doesn't negotiate with publisher for sales of used games.

No wait, i guess we are also part of the problem. Developers view their product as an experience, most gamers view games as a box product and believe they have a right to do what ever the hell they want with that box and to some extend we should but lets say you buy a ticket to view a movie, should you really have the right to sell that ticket(after to viewed the movie) and sell it to another person without giving any of your profit to the studio that made that movie? I know its not the same to us to both Movie studios and games studios are selling the same thing an experience, it just sucks that people(mostly gamestop) cant see how they are hurting the industry that is putting bread in their table

GalacticEmpire2041d ago (Edited 2041d ago )

"every used copy sold is a lost sale for the publisher / Developer"

Nope, that's an illogical leap that assumes the gamers who buy used games would still pay the full price for them. Most probably just wouldn't bother, especially the poorer among us.

Also the game has to be bought new at some point for it to end up as a used game.

Your movie analogy falls down on the fact that (most)piracy and used movie trading exist in the market after the cinema, as the movie would not yet be released on dvd/bluray. Even then the industry thrives, despite some movies costing BIG bucks to make.

SonyPS42041d ago (Edited 2041d ago )

A ticket is not the actual movie, and you cannot watch this movie at home until you actually, you know, buy the movie, and once you buy the movie you are free to lend or sell the copy away whenever you see fit as it is considered your personal property. Are video games the exception simply because they are video games?

I am respectful of the opinion that used games are bad for developers (I even agree to an extent) but this analogy is probably THE worst I've ever read regarding this idea.

DragonKnight2041d ago (Edited 2041d ago )

I disagree with you. There's no proof or guarantee that the absence of used games would mean a hike in the purchase of used games because people could just outright refuse to buy the game in the first place.

I've said it once, I'll say it again, the idea of someone getting multiple instances of payment for ONE disc with a game that doesn't change from the moment it was bought new to the moment it was re-bought as used, is unethical and greedy. Nothing has changed to warrant extra profit, no extra work has been done to the game code, so why should the developer and publisher gain extra for something that they've already completed and haven't done anything extra on?

DLC is extra content that is paid for, but the game disc is a final step.

So if we can say that used games cannot conclusively equal a lost new sale (due to the fact that it could be just as likely that the game sits on shelves or never gets a hit on a server), and that no extra work is done to warrant extra pay, where is the actual justification for the greed present in the idea that publishers and developers should be the only people in the only industry in the history of the world to gain extra profit for literally doing absolutely nothing to warrant it? Why should they be paid for a possibility and not actual continued work?

I don't know about any of you, but in my job I don't get paid extra money after I finish up for the day and go home.

**EDIT** I would love to see some numbers on how much developers who are gamers save from massive discounts on games or even getting them for free. They don't have to worry about the price of some games, but all ordinary gamers do.

-Mika-2041d ago (Edited 2041d ago )

What a ignorant comment.I swear gamers these days are so selfish. There have been many great games this gen that have sold horribly. Bayonetta, Gravity rush, Silent hill downpour and many more. People buying used games aren't putting money into the developers who stayed up all night trying to create a game. I think you and other people don't understand the stress game developers go through. Spending the night at the office, sacrificing pay and not having a social life. If MS and Sony enforce a used game ban. I won't be against it. Everyone will benefit from it.

GalacticEmpire2041d ago (Edited 2041d ago )

Is it ignorant to expect better quality for my money?

"If MS and Sony enforce a used game ban. I won't be against it. Everyone will benefit from it."

Yeah, screw the poor people who can't afford to play the games that the richer folk can /s

"Spending the night at the office, sacrificing pay and not having a social life"

from link "The Game Developer Salary Survey conducted by Game Developer Magazine. The study pinpoints the average salary at "mainstream" US-based companies during 2011 at $81,192 (up from $80,817 in 2010)."

Those poor guys, maybe we should have a whip round. Come to think of it, I think I saw Peter Molyneux begging for change in a shop doorway earlier.

Majin-vegeta2041d ago (Edited 2041d ago )

Yet again MIKA with another stupid comment of hers!GTFO

Edit:Think i'll go make a twitter and have a few words with this Dev.Anyone got his twitter account?


my brother is a developer and he has a very good social life.

Heisenburger2041d ago

So the fact that IIII work very hard for my money doesn't matter does it?

I'm sorry, but I take care of myself and my grandma first before anyone else. And not in that order.

ApolloTheBoss2041d ago

Oh great, Mika's back. I thought you gone for good this time. -_-

Tr10wn2041d ago

Galactic i really want to know what games you are into since you speak of quality, i bet you are one of those people that stay old-school because they are "Better" somehow and therefore none of the new games are at the level of "Quality".

I bought 4 Skyrim on launch date 2 for my friends and 2 for me 1 PC and 1 360 and i still feel like i need to give Bethesda more money, i mean i spent 200 hours on the 360 version alone 240 hours on the PC version and still playing it, that's 440 hours on a single player game... i would never buy a Bethesda game used i spent more than 1400 hours across TES, Fallout and Dishonored, i feel sorry for the PS3 gamers because they didnt enjoy the game like it was supposed to.

If you can't pay $60 for a game i honestly i don't know why i even bother you are exactly like my brother he doesn't even own a Steam account because he thinks that paying for a game is stupid yet he cries when he read about used games ban and he doesnt even buy games anymore lol, if you can find $50 for an used game you can get $10 more eventually and get it new and give more money to the devs.

From my point of view you are just another lazy selfish person who doesn't care about the developers that make the games you play, if you can't afford a $60 dollar game you are in serious problems and you shouldn't be here posting, instead go find a job...

rainslacker2041d ago


I buy a lot of new games. Brought about 60 last year alone. Already purchased 16 this year, with another 30 or so on my pre-order list, and another 5 or so that I'm waiting to see about a PS4 version. On top of that I also buy many other games when they drop in price if I wasn't terribly interested in them to begin with. The only time I will buy used is if I can't find it new anymore, and I will go out of my way to find a new copy before all else.

However, many on these games I buy I get on release day at full price. I have no problem supporting developers and to take the time to tell others about that product should it be worth it. Since I'm a collector, I do not trade in my games, nor do I have any intention of doing so.

That being said, I would drop any developer/publisher/console in a heartbeat if I could not resell or trade the game that I purchase. While I support the industry, I still don't like being taken advantage of as a consumer.

It's not about being selfish. It's about caring enough about those that DO BUY their product to not punish them because they are doing their best to support the industry. Given that 70% of all trade ins at gamestop are to finance NEW GAME purchases, it seems that's a good thing for publishers, and not selfish at all.

If the industry wants to go the route of blocking used games, I say more power to them. But have no doubt that the outcry for that would make the always-on rumor look like a walk in the park. It would be enough to make me walk away from new games, and maybe finally get through my immense backlog.

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thezeldadoth2041d ago

most games today just aren't worth the money. Even so called "critically acclaimed" games for the most part are stale and unimaginative. Honestly i've mostly been playing indie games and older games lately.

Even games i've bought just don't hold the value that games used to. The only exception recently is Demon's/Dark Souls, Tomb Raider and Lego City Undercover

IK IR Y IP T2041d ago

u r a dweeb who needs to stop gaming altogether because u just dont get it gamestop is bad for gaming so are gamers like u

revben2041d ago

did you read the actual statement. He was not saying used games is the pawn of the devil. he just said it is a concern, but they try to work with it. I swear the gaming community cannot think by themselves. Full of hispterss.

MikeMyers2041d ago

Great games still end up on the used market. What they need to do is make games more affordable or reward loyal customers.

Why don't the console suppliers offer a rental service? Why don't the publishers offer a trade-in market?

It's a vicious circle. They expect people to pay $60 and keep the game forever. Not everyone wants to keep all of their games. Not every game has replay value either. It's not my fault they don't have as wide of a market as movie distribution either. If a game costs 20 million to make and they need to sell it at $60 a pop and sell a few million to break even they need to rethink the way they distribute their games. Especially if the used market hurts them.

I don't blame consumers for taking advantage of the used market. It's legal and the game industry isn't doing anything to reward the consumer for buying new. In fact what they are doing is the complete opposite. Endless amounts of DLC and games that are too easy. So people finish them quickly or they feel they didn't get the full package because after the game took 2-3 years to create it only takes a few months to have multiple amounts of DLC released.

DigitalAnalog2041d ago (Edited 2041d ago )

I don't know about you guys but aren't you all overlooking the big elephant is the room?

Bethesda, who (ironically), sold 10 million + copies of Skyrim is complaining about used sale(s) that are hurting them. 90% of the games are barely making a few million and yet this particular company cries foul?

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NastyLeftHook02041d ago

and they have no right to whine when there games are pirated because of there bug infested games aswell.

Good_Guy_Jamal2041d ago

I don't like that this game has bugs! Let me steal it!!
I'm not gonna get all preachy about piracy, I personally don't care, I just find your reasoning a bit iffy.

dangert122041d ago

They can moan about what they want, they can release poor material if they want. they can do what they want...but they cannot force you to spend your money...ITS ABOUT TIME GAMERS TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SHAPE OF THE INDUSTRY ITS NOT JUST THEM...BY PURCHASING YOU ARE ACCEPTING IT THIS WAY....But i do feel reviewiers should be way more honest ive notice alot of top games never have an issue in reviews or minor ones...for people to get a broken game and its broken 2 years after release despite updates lol

Kenshin_BATT0USAI2041d ago

We gotta look at this issue in a broader aspect. I.e. Consumerism as a whole.

When someone buys a car, and it runs it's course and eventually sell it back to a car dealer. Does Honda, Nissan, Ford, etc. complain? No.
When someone decides to buy a used car over an old car. Do they complain? No.

Why? Because there is such thing at mitigating costs. So rather than complaining about costs rising for making games, or complaining about lack of sales causing a net loss. Why not develop a better way to create games? With lower costs.
Don't punish consumers for your lack of ingenuity developers/publishers. Figure out a way where everyone wins instead.

zippycup2041d ago

Once game makers start releasing games whit better quality control then maybe we won’t be buying used games
But I for one really hate paying $60 for a game and then not being able to play it because of game breaking bugs
Now if I can get game cheaper then I don’t mind fighting whit bugs
Although I will admit I don’t buy to Meany used games I usually wait till they go down in price

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