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No backwards compatibility is an affront to loyal fans.

As someone who has sunk a lot of money into my current collection this really annoys the hell out of me.

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Ask1583d ago

Seriously nothing gets to me like finding out your £500 of games cannot be played by your new console. What the hell?

Catoplepas1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

I fail to see the problem.

You have £500 worth of games. Logic dictates that you also have the applicable console to play them on.

Unless the PS3 has a built in expiry date that I'm unaware of, this is a non-issue.

Ask1583d ago

It has died on me once before and my warranty goes in about a fortnight. In those 2 weeks if it dies - not a problem. After that...well if it dies I'll have to pay for it. It's not as bad as an xbox but PS3s aren't that hardy :/

csreynolds1583d ago

So if it dies, what then? Pay for out-of-warranty repairs, or buy another model. Both options are costly. If the PS4 was backwards compatible, you could play the PS3 games on the PS4 and avoid both scenarios.

Everything has an expiry date. There isn't one piece of technology in this world that doesn't have the potential to one day stop working.

I'm not as outraged about Sony's decision to abandon backwards compatibility next generation as others may be, but that doesn't mean I'm ignorant to their point of view, which is in the least valid.

_-EDMIX-_1583d ago

.... that's nice but I fail to understand why on earth thats Sony's problem. prior to PlayStation 2's backwards compatibility people had no problem only multiple systems to play the exact games. all of a sudden in a single generation every company is now obligated to hand you over 2 systems? lol...err no.

mind you I own a backwards compatible with Playstation 3... but because I have a library of PlayStation 2 games I still have a functioning PlayStation 2. why should Sony jeopardize the architecture of their next system just allow you to play games on a system you technically already own based on such a library? even if they were to add a chip that adds emulation why should the people who just want a PlayStation 4 have to pay for two systems when they just want a single one?

even if they were to add a second sku why waste the development cost when you could just go ahead and buy a damn PlayStation 3 currently? The system is not going anywhere anytime soon. I'm one of the few that believe it was a right decision at the time to remove BC from PlayStation 3's in order to stain good sales. PlayStation 3 has an absolutely great library in games are still yet to be released for it if anything I'll just buy a used slim online to suit my needs in the future

VonBraunschweigg1583d ago

My original 60GB PS3 from 2007 got the YLOD in 2010 and was replaced by a refirb 160GB that already had suffered a YLOD before and had another YLOD early 2012. I had it fixed and it's still working, but judging by the sounds it makes it won't be working by the end of the year...it will probably will not survive the summer.

Equipment can break down, esp if you use it a lot. I know that and BC is still an extra. I will buy my PS4 for PS4 games, but there a quite a few PS3 games I'm pretty sure I still want to play next year. So if my current PS3 dies, it's either buying a new old PS3 or rebuying the games through Gaikai.

Now, making all PS3 games available through Haikai is nice for gamers who never bought a PS3 and still want to play PS3 games, but for loyal fans right now it's not a service. I would like to be able to play my PS3 games through Gaikai for free, or with a big discount. After all, I already bought those games this gen. I don't mind having to go through a tedious clumsy authentication process to enable this for my PS3 games on my future PS4, anything but rebuying the games or another PS3.

And this is esp the case for games I downloaded from PSN. If you continue a service into next gen you should also allow gamers to continue playing the games they bought through that service in the next gen. I love WipEout HD, bought it day one from PSN. PSN continues on PS4, but the only way I can play it next year is to re-buy it from Gaikai? Imo it shouldn't be that way.

H0TSHELLZ1583d ago

Thats what im saying....Keep your old system then or maybe dont buy the NEW one until YOU feel your done with the old games.....I dont see the problem people because i dont want my new system to be limited due to the fact it HAD to have BC.

joeorc1583d ago

"I'm not as outraged about Sony's decision to abandon backwards compatibility next generation as others may be, but that doesn't mean I'm ignorant to their point of view, which is in the least valid. "

its not about the point of view, its about what the underlining Idea. Console's are not PC's they are consumer Electronics.

When you buy Software for the console, it was for that console.

Backward Compatibility would be very expensive for Sony to have in the case of the PS4 because of the cost in chip's and not just in the Chipsets but the cost in Passive/active heat dissipation to even be able to offer such backward Compatibility and power requirement's, it is the move from power system design over to x86 is not in of itself the problem. there is quite a bit more to it than just that. the very fact that Sony did buy Gaikai for the software ability to offer some way as to provide backward compatibility is something at least.
wanted a cheaper system? the cost in sticking those chips from the previous generation systems along with the cost in passive/active heat dissipation to go along with it would be very expensive to include. many of the same people asking for this very function would be saying $599.00..$599.00 $599.00 and making and Taking a jab at Sony's expense at every opportunity they can get.

And for those that think its greed motivated, than there are far more greedy companies making more money and giving you less bang for your buck than Sony!

Sony at least is offering buy once and play across all its new recent platforms for game's. also Giving out more free game's and giving out in store money to those that spend as much as $50.00 money in a month and giving back $10.00 to the consumer for doing so.

Sony would have included Backward Compatibility on a hardware level outright if they could , sadly Sony would not be able to at a price the consumer demands for a game console! Consumer's told Sony very loud and clear they the mass majority of their Consumer's do not want a Game console in the $599.00 or higher in cost's.

BrianC62341583d ago

Ask - You say the 360 and PS3 aren't very hardy. That was true early on but I think the RROD is over and the PS3 definitely isn't having problems anymore. I had to buy a new PS3 I think in 2008 but my Slim has been fine. I think my original PS3 only died because I put a fast hard drive in it. They put out more heat. The new consoles produce a lot less heat now though and that was the problem early on. I don't think people realize how much it adds to the cost of a console if you include backward compatibility. Are you willing to pay $500 for a PS4? Everyone who wants the feature better say they are. Sony isn't going to eat the cost. At a minimum it would add $50 to the cost. It's better to spend the money on things like more RAM.

vitullo311583d ago

i would argue that it sucks more for people who aren't loyal fans and maybe DONT already have a ps3 or ps2 or whatever the hell

princejb1341583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

Not everyone wants to keep consoles in their home
For example I live in a apartment with limited amount of space
Theres no way I want to keep my bulky ps3 somewhere
Is just extra space wasted that I do not have

On the bright side I'm buying a ps4 to play ps4 games

Ezz20131583d ago

i agree with you catoplepas
BC is not a big deal for me at all...in fact i don't care about it

i'm buying ps4 for 1st/2nd party games and the amazing spec
if the next xbox offer new ips that i would like
and not having the always online and didn't block used games
then i will buy it too

DragonKnight1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

Un-frickin'-believeable. The same people b*tching about the lack of BC for the PS4 are exactly the same kind of people that b*tched about the launch price of the PS3. Now that Sony is trying to keep costs down FOR YOU (not for them as a higher price means more money for them), and not to mention that the PS4 has COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURE, the cry babies come out to whine that they can't play their old games on a new system and have the audacity to say "well I shouldn't have to keep the system they were originally designed for."

Such B.S.

B.C. on consoles was always sparse. Old Atari consoles could do it, but the SNES couldn't with the NES, the N64 couldn't with the SNES. Some Sega consoles could do it, some couldn't. The PS2 did it with the PS1 and launch PS3's did it but people b*tched. This is the gen of b*tchy gamers who aren't satisfied with literally anything. Nevermind that Sony wants to have an incredible launch for the PS4, no, why bother with new games for a new console when you can play old games on a new console right?

Some of you fanboys really need better priorities. Just frickin' keep your old consoles. I've heard enough of you talk about how you barely touched PS2 games with the PS3 when it had BC anyway and now all of a sudden you want to cry about this and ignore the very basic fact that the PS4 and the PS3 are too different for workable BC unless they shoehorned an entire PS3 into the PS4 and ramp the launch cost up by about $200. So what do you want, an affordable launch price, or the ability to play old games you could still play by keeping the damn console they were designed for?

MikeMyers1583d ago

Since when does one have to be a fanboy who questions the lack of backwards comparability, DragonKnight? People also had issues with the way Microsoft did it on the Xbox360. A fanboy is actually one who keeps defending these companies and never holds them accountable while attacking the competition any chance they get.

Larry L1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

No you dullard (the author), an affront to gamers would be another $600 console. It didn't work for Neo*Geo, didn't work for PS3, and it really would be a problem if that were the PS4's price right after gamers made it known 600 is too much just the generation prior.

I'm FAR happier paying $400 for PS4 and just keeping my PS3 if I ever care to play it again after I'm playing PS4. And the majority of gamers feel the same way as proven beyond doubt when said majority bought FAR more non-BC PS3s at a cheaper price than they did $600 BC models. There's really no debate here.

Not to mention, if putting old, low end hardware like PS2s into PS3 made it $600, putting the rediculously complicated PS3 hardware into PS4 would probably cause PS4 to cost alot more than even 600. I'll just hold onto my PS3, thanks.

And I'll also thank you if you'd keep your fool mouth shut from now on instead of sitting there trying your damnedest to make my future PS4 unaffordable......you jerk. Talk about an affront......Dude you're bordering on treason against the Nation of Gamers. So watch yourself.

DragonKnight1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

@MikeMyers: Please, don't try to hand out that B.S. No one cared about the B.C. on the 360 because it was there just stupidly implemented. Try actually knowing what you're talking about before participating in the discussion. And given the tags of this story (PS3, PS4), the on-site headline ("No backward compatibility for the PS4? An insult to loyal fans") and the fact that no news about B.C. has been released about the NextBox, including it (Xbox) in the discussion is irrelevant and off-topic.

Stop following me with your fanboyism.

Muerte24941583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

reflowing your console or reballing it. If you reball it, they take the GPU and CPU die off the board. They then begin to remove any and all of the old solder, replacing it with new solder. This is the best way to repair console/tablets/laptops. At the most people would charge $80-$110 for it. It also extends the lifespan of your console. This is hardly an issue.

As if it wasn't already implied, they do put the GPU or CPU die back onto the board.

MikeMyers1583d ago

Amazing how everyone suffers from fanboyism but DragonKnight even though he's the one constantly defending Sony all the time while quick to point out issues with everyone else.

Sony was the one who made backward comparability an important feature. So of course people will want to see how they handle it moving forward. You cannot compare older systems like the SNES to game platforms of today. Gamers are buding their gamer tag history and want to keep that identity going forward. With things like Trophies, and all the digital content they've acquired I, and I imagine many others, would like to retain that content.

It's amazing how upset some get when they act like this is a non-issue for them. If that's the case why are they so eager to call people fanboys and act so aggressive to those who would like consoles to have this feature?

DragonKnight1583d ago

It's amazing how a fanboy can claim they aren't one and then pounce whenever they get the chance to attack someone like, say, Sony like all of the other rabid fanboys and then defend anti-consumer practices like always-online DRM. But hey, that's another topic for another story for that fanboy to follow me to.

Back on topic: Throughout console gaming history, backwards compatibility is a small foot note made popular by Sony. It was always an option, a courtesy, and never a standard. To complain about it when you have the option to keep your older consoles (what serious gamer would throw away or sell a perfectly good console unless they were in desperate need of money) is to be a child. The excuse of "it takes up space" is a pitiful one as well as I'm certain most have plenty of redundant electronics lying around. The ingenious will always find a way, the lazy will always complain.

MikeMyers1583d ago

DragonmKnight,
"It's amazing how a fanboy can claim they aren't one and then pounce whenever they get the chance to attack someone like, say, Sony like all of the other rabid fanboys and then defend anti-consumer practices like always-online DRM. But hey, that's another topic for another story for that fanboy to follow me to."

Always-on DRM is also not very consumer friendly. Nor is online passes which you seem to not have issues with since Sony does it on their own games. The trend you are trying to make actually isolates you. One who is very quick to attack Microsoft for their DRM rumors, one who is quick to attack Bethesda and their response to the used game market while totally ignoring Sony who uses online passes to also help counter used games. The irony is you never mention Sony in any of your issues. On the other hand I said Microsoft will have a PR nightmare on their hands if they were to implement DRM and it would be foolish for them to go solo in doing such a thing.

You see, I actually answer things. I don't label everyone with fanboyism and then run and hide because I have issues criticizing a company I don't work for. Tell me, what benefit does one get constantly defending one company? Sony will treat you as a consumer no more different than they treat me.

"Back on topic: Throughout console gaming history, backwards compatibility is a small foot note made popular by Sony. It was always an option, a courtesy, and never a standard. To complain about it when you have the option to keep your older consoles (what serious gamer would throw away or sell a perfectly good console unless they were in desperate need of money) is to be a child. The excuse of "it takes up space" is a pitiful one as well as I'm certain most have plenty of redundant electronics lying around. The ingenious will always find a way, the lazy will always complain."

So why is everyone a child who doesn't share your opinion? Since when are you the authority speaker on behalf of everyone and who gave you the right to label people with fanboyism that sees it as a problem? You really need to ask yourself, how emotionally attached are you to this company where you will defend them tooth and nail while ignoring any issue that arises but quickly go on the attack with the competition?

Of course people would like backwards compatibility, why not? What defense do you actually have by them not offering it if they are able to? I found it a nice surprise that the Move controller is backwards compatible with the PS4. I have been a loyal fan of Sony's. I bought Move controllers, I bought games through the store, and when we move forward while building our online status and Trophies and have acquired online content why wouldn't we want that to be carried over? When I buy items through the Steam store I expect that content to be accessible. Will Sony allow me to have one account and keep my PS3 and PS4 connected? Everyone talks about the PS3 having a 10 year cycle, how is one to buy PS3 and PS4 content if you can only have one system attached to your account?

It's downright embarrassing we have so many apologists who attack anyone for raising issues. God forbid anyone ever saying anything critical towards Sony. You're libel to be red-flagged and get disagrees from there on out towards any future comments. Some people need to grow up and stop taking videogames so seriously.

DragonKnight1583d ago

@MikeMyers: Alright, this is the last time I'm going to acknowledge your existence. Unlike your Crusade against Root and other members, I know how pathetic your mission is and I'm not going to feed into it or you. Skimming over your tl;dr response to me I see you employ the same tactics you do against everyone else. You bring up off-topic discussions you've had with your targets in the Past whether through comments or through PM's as though they have any relevance to the topic at hand, then you try to dismiss or discredit the actual comment you're replying to and do so very poorly as you choose to ignore the underlying message in favour of attacking someone on a more personal level. It's clear you are incapable of focusing on a topic when you reply to someone and instead decide to make it personal because you feel it's your mission to attack people, to relentlessly bombard them with your stupidity and fanboyism. Well, as I said earlier, this is going to be my last acknowledgement of your existence anywhere so take this in.

Since you're so concerned with my opinion on online passes, even though you can clearly read what I think about them in my "There's No Excusing DRM" blog, I will reiterate what I said there. Online passes, no matter who uses them, are wrong. The difference between them and always-online DRM, since you're incapable of understanding that there is a difference, is that one will still allow your game to work and the other won't. In the game of lesser evils, I'd rather have online passes than always-online DRM. In a perfect world, none would exist.

Devs against used games: Myth. No matter who states that the used market is a problem (including Sony) it's a myth. Publisher sell to retailers, not consumers, they've received their money and are just trying to be greedy to gain extra profit on discs they've already printed and sold.

B.C.: Was never a standard and is only useful when a console launches with a terrible or weak launch lineup. People complaining about something they have the simplest of options for are children. Simple as that. You want to play PS3 games? Then you likely have a PS3. There is no reason to be rid of it. Complaining about B.C. is a childish thing to complain about. It's like complaining that your Wii can't play NES cartridges or that your Blu-Ray player won't play your VHS collection. Get over it. Things progress, and as they do so things get left behind. The PS4 is different than the PS3. It physically CAN'T play PS3 games unless a PS3 is built into the console. The last time that happened, people like you b*tched about the price of the console and demanded Sony lowered the price. The only way to do that without taking an unnecessarily massive hit themselves was to remove unnecessary components and that was why the PS2 hardware was removed. Again, you're bringing up a childish issue just for the sake of b*tching about something. Adults want something of value they can afford. Children want everything regardless of its feasibility and cost.

I am done with you now. Any and all responses you make to me will be summarily dismissed and ignored for the tripe they always are. Don't waste both of our time by ever responding to me again because I can assure you I will not read it.

MaxXAttaxX1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

You're being hypothetical. Your PS3 could die, but so could your PS4 whether it has BC or not. You don't know that.

No one is forcing you to get rid of your PS3 and rebuy your games later.

Whining won't help. But common sense will.

shivvy241583d ago

ive kept all my consoles and i play games on the consoles it was made on, funny cause i still have the PS1/2/3 all hooked to my tv

SilentNegotiator1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

*Smashes N64 cartridges into Gamecube*

It's not workiiiiiiiiing!!!

Darn you, Sony! Give us a PS3 chip to overheat the Ps4, like the ps2 chip on Ps3, or faulty software emulation that probably won't even work well with the completely new architecture!

If your Ps3 dies next gen, you'll probably be able to get another one online for $80. 9th gen, we'll probably see a half decent Ps3 emulator.

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Lvl_up_gamer1582d ago

It amazes me that when the 60 GB PS3 launched, ALL the Sony fanboys were bragging that it would have BC and just how awesome the feature was.

Then when Sony phased it out, Sony fanboys weren't happy about it. Now that the PS4 won't have BC and rumor has it that MS WILL be 100% BC, BC no longer means anything and is a useless feature.

I love Sony fanboys, they just keep me laughing.

DragonKnight1582d ago

Donkey Kong 286,000 Points, you seem to have an obsession with me. That's not healthy and I'm not even flattered. Besides, every time you comment like that the first thing that comes to my mind is...

Root1576d ago

"Alright, this is the last time I'm going to acknowledge your existence. Unlike your Crusade against Root and other members, I know how pathetic your mission is and I'm not going to feed into it or you. Skimming over your tl;dr response to me I see you employ the same tactics you do against everyone else. You bring up off-topic discussions you've had with your targets in the Past whether through comments or through PM's as though they have any relevance to the topic at hand"

...THANK YOU

Finally someone sees what he's like

Mike is just a massive Bully who gets off arguing to people. That's why he attacks people on here despite them not starting anything with himself.

Just bubble him down for being off topic...I do

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Chaostar1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

I agree with Catoplepas, BC is just not necessary and most consoles released haven't had it in the past. While it's a nice feature to have, the lack of it is blown way out of proportion by gamers/journos still clinging desperately to the current generation.

For the one millionth time, just calm down and keep your PS3/360.

mcstorm1583d ago

I agree. Although it comes in handy if you move to a console but did not have the earlier consoles like with my WiiU.

I had a Wii but sold it a few years ago and since getting a Wiiu I have played a few Wii games I have missed. But that said if it did not have it I would not miss it.

Captain Qwark 91583d ago

i disagree. BC should be a must have feature. reasons:

1. most of us have a large library of games and several that we like to returnt o from time to time. many of us also have a backlog of games we havent gotten to yet but would like to someday

2. games are still releasing for the older consoles and may not get ported to the next gen systems

3. idk about you but it takes up space, electricity, and overall is just a hassle to have many many systems hooked up at the same time. why have 4 consoles hooked up when i could only have 2 ( 360, ps3, ps4, 720 or 720, ps4 )

4. the library of games for next gen consoles is usually slim pickens for the first 6 months to a year.

so thats why BC is nice. is it necessary? no however it would play a huge role in which next gen console i get first and by that i mean the next xbox 100% if it has it. if not, ill compare other features. ill get both eventually but not the other until prob a year later

kneon1583d ago

BC would be nice to have, but are people willing to pay the extra $50+ it would cost and put up with the reduced reliability due to the increased complexity?

I expect for most people the answer would be no.

But as they have gone x86 for the ps4 I expect that we won't be seeing anymore drastic architectural changes with the ps5, so BC will be easier in the future.

forcefullpower1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

Never understand why someone would buy a new machine to play old games. BC i find is the worst just justification for any new console non purchase.

Jon:- (Rings Fred) Where are you guys thought we were playing COD.

Fred:- Playing COD where are you.

Jon:- Playing COD 4.

Fred:- We forgot your the idiot that thinks BC is so important you wouldn't buy the new console. See you later. hangs up.

Fred on Party Chat:- Hey guys Jon the twat just phoned he still not bought a new console. Every one burst out laughing and takes the piss out of him for the rest of the day.