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BioShock: Infinite Violates Religious Beliefs, Valve Offers Refund

Cheatcc says: "If you haven't already played BioShock: Infinite and have managed to avoid spoilers, you're either some kind of self-controlled super hero, or you don't know how to read. Either way, it's probably safe to assume that you're aware of the game's religious underpinnings"

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Snookies121195d ago (Edited 1195d ago )

Oh good god (pun intended), why don't you cry some more people. It's a GAME, do they understand what that means? Hmmm? It's not... (wait for it) ...REAL. I know, surprise, right?

People need to stop taking things so seriously. It's a fictional world, with fictional events, told in a fictional way for story purposes. If we avoid every little thing that might make people mad, we wouldn't have anything interesting to read, watch, play, etc.

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Kanzes1195d ago

I think most of the Hollywood movies are more offensive than this GAME.

miDnIghtEr20C_SfF1194d ago

I was about to say... do people try this crap at the movies? "Oh no! I didn't like so and so scene... I'm offended. Give me my money back!"

Wow!

This is the stuff wrong with this new school generation of gamer. It's worse than console fanboys imo. At least that's like rooting for your favorite sports team, or close to it.... being a crybaby to change the ending of a game because you personally didn't like it, or need money back from a game because of one of the scenes.... Lordy.

morganfell1194d ago (Edited 1194d ago )

If you are offended by this game then you obviously have some wires crossed.

Instead of gaming you should be out saving souls for your god. Every waking moment should find you with you back bent in service to him. Quite frankly the fact that these people admit to playing a game obviously advertised as being violent is an indictment of their beliefs and proof of their own hypocrisy.

To claim that they were unaware of the game's nature is the same ignorance defense used by obviously guilty men when they are sitting, shaking in a kitchen in front of Chris Hansen.

They will get all the pleasure they want in the next life. In the meantime let the rest of us entertain ourselves properly before we take that trip to Valhalla.

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Septic1194d ago (Edited 1194d ago )

@Ares

People believe in God because they are too weak to believe in themselves? I'm sorry but the comments of many on here just show a startling lack of understanding about not only religion, but their followers. You guys need to look past your own superiority complex and try and make an objective assessment of religion.

Anyway, I can understand someone's sensibilities being affected and those who say, oh it's just a game simply don't get it. It doesnt matter what type of medium is concerned, if you are offended, then you're offended, simple as that. People on here are ridiculing others for feeling a certain way and simply don't have the decency or mutual respect to take that on board.

I'm not a Christian but I sympathise with those who do feel offended. Ultimately it could be anyone with a certain belief that gets offended. I certainly won't take the easy route on here and say oh it's just a game, don't play if you're so easily offended.

Regarding the issue of asking for a refund on this basis however, I wouldn't agree with that.

Ares84HU1193d ago (Edited 1193d ago )

@Septic

You clearly don't understand what I meant so why comment on it? Every religion is based on a lie that someone created to make themselves comfortable or to control populations. It all started with the worship of the sun and slowly progressed and became all these different types of religions that we have today. They are all almost exactly alike with almost exact same stories. Religion gives week people comfort in knowing that no matter how they suffer in this life they will have it better in the next. It's like a complex where you need a "leader" to follow but a leader that acts the way you think it's right and just and no matter what anyone sais you will ignor it because your god said this or that and you believe it because someone a very long time ago wrote it down on a piece of paper and others who didn't know any better believed every single word of it. Most religions are forced on people or are born into it. Not many people choose to be in one religion but there are exeptions. So people need this "guidance" that their respective religion provides them but as I said before they interpret religion the way they see it fit. Just look at how many branches the Christian church has as of today and it started out as one thing. Now people twist every word in their favour and practicaly create new religions that fit and comfort their weeknesses. Just to show you how bullshit religion is, the Divine Comedy was written in the 14th century. Before that Christianity didn't have a concept of hell....well not the way we know it today. The hell we know today in christianity was written in the divine comedy by some guy who just made it all up yet it's accepted today in the Christian church as fact. People are week and they need to believe something and religion is very comfortable to most of them. Most people who are born into it get religion fed to them like food. Every day ironed in your head that the sky os blue the grass is green and you must believe in this God/Gods or you will go to hell or they will strike you down or your family will turn their backs on you. It's fear, control and stupid believes. I do not respect anyone who is religious nor do I respect people who get offended from a video game/book/movie/music/poem/pai nting or any sort of entertainment or self expression. If you get offended than fuck you, too bad, don't get out of your house and close your eyes and ears. Now at every turn some asshole get's offended and everyone must bow to that person because ohhh Gee we can't have anyone being offended. We must create this perfect world that is great for everyone. It will never be and people should shut their mouths if they are offended because what you might find offensive might be the exact opposite to someone else and honestly, I'm offended that they are offended and I find it offending that they are getting money back. So fuck all those idiots who said that this offended them. i hope they die a horrible death because they are fucking stupid!

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Ducky1195d ago (Edited 1195d ago )

I wonder if he would've been fine committing all the murder that happens a few minutes after the Baptism sequence.

Seems like a strange place to draw a line.

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dedicatedtogamers1195d ago (Edited 1195d ago )

I'm a religious/spiritual person, but the "religious underpinnings" didn't offend me at all.

Rather, I was offended that Irrational decided to go with such an overused and boring trope for the main antagonist. The only thing missing to make the parody complete would be the enemies wearing mock Catholic robes or throwing incendiary Bibles at you.

The Bioshock franchise was established on the idea that a story, a villain, even a hero could be more than what we've come to expect from videogames. However, within the first half-hour, Infinite had already fallen back on the incredibly predictable and incredibly lazy "overly religious followers appear peaceful and happy on the surface but there's a dark secret if you dig deeper" archetype. It's part of why I'll never understand people who claim this game's story is "amazing" or "mind blowing". It was actually quite weak and generic, even though it was told well.

joab7771195d ago

I am a christian and nothing offended me. What offends me is when so called christians twist and pervert thinhs for their own means...fleecing the flock. I am a christian but I don't overlook history or truth. Many attrocities have been committed in the name of Christ...this doesn't make these ppl or their acts christian.

And a narrative in a video game based on a fictional character who twists religion to suit himself surely doesn't offend me. Either people are gaming the system or don't understand christianity. Though there is the possibility that there may be some ppl out there tbat are followers of comstock and his religion...those ppl would deserve a refund.

Hayabusa 1171194d ago

In my opinion, almost all stories fall short and are only "good" because they're told well...that includes,films, books, games, all entertainment media.

nullkrush1194d ago

@ Joab777

I agree with you on the fact that yes, people do twist and pervert things for their own means and it definitely seems as though that's what the person in this article is doing. I just find that religion in itself requires a certain disregard to both history and truth.

garibubuprincess1195d ago

I like how everyone's butthurt because other people were butthurt and got a refund. Refunds make you butthurt?

shivvy241194d ago

you sir need to get Baptised

showtimefolks1194d ago

its a entertainment medium, why do people take these things so serious?

i am a Proud Muslim, and i had no problem playing bioshock, its a video game with a serious tone and a very clever story that connects all 3 bioshock games

people will complain just about everything, great job ken for directing a great game

its hard to please all fans, just look at RE6 where capcom tries to please every RE fanbase and failed at them all, just keep making the best possible games and true fans will continue to support the series

ginsunuva1194d ago

What's funny is that games are technically more real than religion.

Septic1194d ago

Oh gosh, I don't even........

TekoIie1194d ago

Pretty sure the philosophy and teachings within most religions are more real than video games.

But if you want to talk about higher beings then its possible for you to be right.

FlameBaitGod1194d ago

Lil kids here need to insult other peoples believes just to feel more secure about them self's.

Kurt Russell1194d ago

Adults like to debate fact from fiction backed by evidence and integrity.

FlameBaitGod1194d ago (Edited 1194d ago )

Point me out the adults in here which posted their believes with facts. Don't worry Ill wait :)

TekoIie1193d ago

Your video talks about using facts and evidence to support science and then using that to prove the existence of a God.

But whats the one fatal flaw? Where was the proof that the first word was God? Or that one even exists for that matter?

BISHOP-BRASIL1194d ago

You know what's funny? Probably Atheists and Agnostics are much more aversive to the idea of being forced to get baptized than any religious person, yet you don't see one complain from their camp.

xBigxBossx1194d ago

More importantly why did he buy a rated M fps based on killing with a gun?? Baptism is against his beliefs but not murder??

Bordel_19001194d ago

We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.

Pl4sm41194d ago

reminds me of that southpark episode where the people got offended by everything during chrismas .. we would be left with nothing but a dark and gray festive day

Mounce1194d ago

African Americans should also demand a refund. Oh wait, they haven't gone that far, what else can you expect from whiny, bigoted religious zealots....

Serjikal_Strike1194d ago

Im happy to be an atheist, so i dont get offended by stupid sh*t like this

Lykon1194d ago

in america i presume . I'm not even bothering. We are all 'fag enablers'

OmegaSlayer1194d ago

I think people that have such narrowminded beliefs and can't separate fiction from reality should...well...rage quit.
These people are as scary as Talebans.

gedapeleda1194d ago

@ snookies
They might know the fact but they're just using religion to get some cash.
But as always everyone blames the video games and not the movies or books...

DeadlyFire1194d ago

These type of people.........

A game is a game. Its not real. Baptism, sex, death, and all other actions do not damage you in real life.

Bordel_19001194d ago

Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience.

I AM OFFENDED BY RELIGION.

Tzuno1194d ago

People are so brainwashed that they want to judge everything.

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aman84r1195d ago

The baptism was annoying but nothing to ask a refund for.

kneon1195d ago

"As baptism of the Holy spirit is at the center of Christianity - of which I am a devout believer - I am basically being forced to make a choice between committing extreme blasphemy by my actions in choosing to accept this 'choice' or forced to quit playing the game before it even really starts."

Ok so he can't handle baptism but he's ok with killing hundreds of people throughout the game? "Though shalt not kill" is one of the big ten.

It's just a game, either it's ok to commit virtual sins or it's not, you can't pick and choose.

Software_Lover1195d ago

The sad part about it, Baptism of the Holy spirit is not the center of Christianity. Believing that Jesus Christ lived, was crucified, and arose on the third day is the center of christianity.

If baptism was the center, you wouldn't have to believe a thing.

jeffgoldwin1194d ago (Edited 1194d ago )

"Though shalt not kill"

Actually that commandment does still allow you to kill for self-defense and in times of war (provided it's justified).

soniqstylz1194d ago

@Jeffgoldwin

not in the true devout Christian sense, as Christ teaches to turn the other cheek and forgive those who harm you.

Dirtnapstor1194d ago (Edited 1194d ago )

Actually it's not "kill", the Hebrew is "murder". There is a vast difference between the two. And yes, self-defense is endorsed.

@Jeff: Communication with the dead was eventually forbade in the Old Testament..ergo, you cannot forgive anyone from the grave.

Anyhow...back to the original topic at hand; I am a Christian, and I'm not offended. Objectivity is key here. Refunding on this premise is stupid.
Curious though...could you imagine what Hell would have been raised if any other religion had been utilized?

Mounce1194d ago

b-b-but....that's how all of them live...

Picking and choosing what to obey and what not to obey. Who the fuck needs to love thy neighbour when you have JESUS ON YOUR SIDE?!

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tachy0n1194d ago (Edited 1194d ago )

religions in general are annoying and useless we all should get a refund on all the time wasted at churches and praying.

thats just my opinion, respect it :)

Loki861195d ago (Edited 1195d ago )

I am also a devout Christian and I know the difference between fantasy and real life. There is even a disclaimer in the credits that says "Relations or beliefs shared by anyone are purely coincidental." Some people really need to learn to separate media from real life, because these are all themes related to the atmosphere of the game, movie, or music you are playing, watching, or listening.

EDIT: Not understanding while people are disagreeing with this, but if you are play the game again and watch the credits.

Halochampian1194d ago

"I am also a devout Christian and I know the difference between fantasy and real life" Irony?

Religion is an ideology. The game was clearly showing the silliness of religion. How similar this ideology was to Christianity was obviously on purpose because of how big Christianity is in the USA.

It's a game willing to go places that most games wont go: Racism and religion.

To all the people offended, marilyn manson said it quite well, “If they think that an artist can destroy their faith, then their faith is rather fragile.”

jeffgoldwin1194d ago

Actually if you believe in your certain religion, it's kind of insulting for another to call it an ideology. Similar to how all religions are not cults. Or how not all governments are communist.

Halochampian1194d ago

That made no sense whatsoever, Jeff. A religion is a theology. It's a belief on life.

So if your offended because others don't believe in your theology and are critical about it, you are insecure of your beliefs.

Loki861194d ago

Well since you don't believe in a religion then that means you believe in evolution which is a theory. Everyone has some belief regardless of what you put forward. Calling Christian fantasy is no difference then me explaining the vast number of theories that disprove evolution. So grow up and don't post where you are not needed.

Halochampian1194d ago

Actually, evolution is a proven theory. It is proven to have taken place and we can see this through countless fossils. It is as much a theory as the theory of gravity. And I doubt you would jump off a bridge to test that theory.

The problem with believing in religion is that they already claim to know all the answers and will not change their minds no matter how much evidence there is against it. Science changes its beliefs based off what is observed and tested.

And science doesnt claim to know everything like religion does but at least we are doing the work to try and understand

toxic-inferno1194d ago

The theory of evolution and the theory of gravity are NOT comparable. Gravity is something we can perceive on short timescales, whereas evolution is something that requires many millennia of data.

Interestingly, however, the theory of gravity is in a LOT of debate currently. We actually have very little idea where gravity comes from (even after the discovery of the Higgs'). We can be sure that something we call 'gravity' exists, but currently we really don't know what it is the result of.

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nugnugs1194d ago

Sorry Loki, but a devout Christian does not know the difference between fantasy and real life.
Your whole belief system depends on zombies being real.
People dont come back from the dead. Never did. Never will.
Take a look around the world, does it really look like there is an element of control by any supernatural being? Continue praying for a new job or car etc.. while millions continue starving around the globe.

Yodagamer1195d ago (Edited 1195d ago )

The game is meant to be based off of social interactions during the 20s. If they find something wrong with the society based on the 20s clearly something was wrong with the 20s as well. But you'll never see them complain about the 20s or the religious aspect back then. They might have put the "coincidental" thing, but alot of it's based off of 20's culture.

jeffgoldwin1194d ago

I don't think anyone from the 20's is alive and playing video to complain. Call it a certain hunch.