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Submitted by Broll 1025d ago | opinion piece

BioShock: Infinite Violates Religious Beliefs, Valve Offers Refund

Cheatcc says: "If you haven't already played BioShock: Infinite and have managed to avoid spoilers, you're either some kind of self-controlled super hero, or you don't know how to read. Either way, it's probably safe to assume that you're aware of the game's religious underpinnings" (BioShock: Infinite, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

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Snookies12  +   1025d ago | Well said
Oh good god (pun intended), why don't you cry some more people. It's a GAME, do they understand what that means? Hmmm? It's not... (wait for it) ...REAL. I know, surprise, right?

People need to stop taking things so seriously. It's a fictional world, with fictional events, told in a fictional way for story purposes. If we avoid every little thing that might make people mad, we wouldn't have anything interesting to read, watch, play, etc.
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Kanzes  +   1025d ago | Well said
I think most of the Hollywood movies are more offensive than this GAME.
miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   1025d ago
I was about to say... do people try this crap at the movies? "Oh no! I didn't like so and so scene... I'm offended. Give me my money back!"


This is the stuff wrong with this new school generation of gamer. It's worse than console fanboys imo. At least that's like rooting for your favorite sports team, or close to it.... being a crybaby to change the ending of a game because you personally didn't like it, or need money back from a game because of one of the scenes.... Lordy.
morganfell  +   1025d ago
If you are offended by this game then you obviously have some wires crossed.

Instead of gaming you should be out saving souls for your god. Every waking moment should find you with you back bent in service to him. Quite frankly the fact that these people admit to playing a game obviously advertised as being violent is an indictment of their beliefs and proof of their own hypocrisy.

To claim that they were unaware of the game's nature is the same ignorance defense used by obviously guilty men when they are sitting, shaking in a kitchen in front of Chris Hansen.

They will get all the pleasure they want in the next life. In the meantime let the rest of us entertain ourselves properly before we take that trip to Valhalla.
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Septic  +   1024d ago | Well said

People believe in God because they are too weak to believe in themselves? I'm sorry but the comments of many on here just show a startling lack of understanding about not only religion, but their followers. You guys need to look past your own superiority complex and try and make an objective assessment of religion.

Anyway, I can understand someone's sensibilities being affected and those who say, oh it's just a game simply don't get it. It doesnt matter what type of medium is concerned, if you are offended, then you're offended, simple as that. People on here are ridiculing others for feeling a certain way and simply don't have the decency or mutual respect to take that on board.

I'm not a Christian but I sympathise with those who do feel offended. Ultimately it could be anyone with a certain belief that gets offended. I certainly won't take the easy route on here and say oh it's just a game, don't play if you're so easily offended.

Regarding the issue of asking for a refund on this basis however, I wouldn't agree with that.
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Ares84HU  +   1024d ago

You clearly don't understand what I meant so why comment on it? Every religion is based on a lie that someone created to make themselves comfortable or to control populations. It all started with the worship of the sun and slowly progressed and became all these different types of religions that we have today. They are all almost exactly alike with almost exact same stories. Religion gives week people comfort in knowing that no matter how they suffer in this life they will have it better in the next. It's like a complex where you need a "leader" to follow but a leader that acts the way you think it's right and just and no matter what anyone sais you will ignor it because your god said this or that and you believe it because someone a very long time ago wrote it down on a piece of paper and others who didn't know any better believed every single word of it. Most religions are forced on people or are born into it. Not many people choose to be in one religion but there are exeptions. So people need this "guidance" that their respective religion provides them but as I said before they interpret religion the way they see it fit. Just look at how many branches the Christian church has as of today and it started out as one thing. Now people twist every word in their favour and practicaly create new religions that fit and comfort their weeknesses. Just to show you how bullshit religion is, the Divine Comedy was written in the 14th century. Before that Christianity didn't have a concept of hell....well not the way we know it today. The hell we know today in christianity was written in the divine comedy by some guy who just made it all up yet it's accepted today in the Christian church as fact. People are week and they need to believe something and religion is very comfortable to most of them. Most people who are born into it get religion fed to them like food. Every day ironed in your head that the sky os blue the grass is green and you must believe in this God/Gods or you will go to hell or they will strike you down or your family will turn their backs on you. It's fear, control and stupid believes. I do not respect anyone who is religious nor do I respect people who get offended from a video game/book/movie/music/poem/pai nting or any sort of entertainment or self expression. If you get offended than fuck you, too bad, don't get out of your house and close your eyes and ears. Now at every turn some asshole get's offended and everyone must bow to that person because ohhh Gee we can't have anyone being offended. We must create this perfect world that is great for everyone. It will never be and people should shut their mouths if they are offended because what you might find offensive might be the exact opposite to someone else and honestly, I'm offended that they are offended and I find it offending that they are getting money back. So fuck all those idiots who said that this offended them. i hope they die a horrible death because they are fucking stupid!
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Ducky  +   1025d ago
I wonder if he would've been fine committing all the murder that happens a few minutes after the Baptism sequence.

Seems like a strange place to draw a line.
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dedicatedtogamers  +   1025d ago
I'm a religious/spiritual person, but the "religious underpinnings" didn't offend me at all.

Rather, I was offended that Irrational decided to go with such an overused and boring trope for the main antagonist. The only thing missing to make the parody complete would be the enemies wearing mock Catholic robes or throwing incendiary Bibles at you.

The Bioshock franchise was established on the idea that a story, a villain, even a hero could be more than what we've come to expect from videogames. However, within the first half-hour, Infinite had already fallen back on the incredibly predictable and incredibly lazy "overly religious followers appear peaceful and happy on the surface but there's a dark secret if you dig deeper" archetype. It's part of why I'll never understand people who claim this game's story is "amazing" or "mind blowing". It was actually quite weak and generic, even though it was told well.
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joab777  +   1025d ago
I am a christian and nothing offended me. What offends me is when so called christians twist and pervert thinhs for their own means...fleecing the flock. I am a christian but I don't overlook history or truth. Many attrocities have been committed in the name of Christ...this doesn't make these ppl or their acts christian.

And a narrative in a video game based on a fictional character who twists religion to suit himself surely doesn't offend me. Either people are gaming the system or don't understand christianity. Though there is the possibility that there may be some ppl out there tbat are followers of comstock and his religion...those ppl would deserve a refund.
Hayabusa 117  +   1025d ago
In my opinion, almost all stories fall short and are only "good" because they're told well...that includes,films, books, games, all entertainment media.
nullkrush  +   1024d ago
@ Joab777

I agree with you on the fact that yes, people do twist and pervert things for their own means and it definitely seems as though that's what the person in this article is doing. I just find that religion in itself requires a certain disregard to both history and truth.
garibubuprincess  +   1025d ago
I like how everyone's butthurt because other people were butthurt and got a refund. Refunds make you butthurt?
shivvy24  +   1025d ago
you sir need to get Baptised
showtimefolks  +   1025d ago
its a entertainment medium, why do people take these things so serious?

i am a Proud Muslim, and i had no problem playing bioshock, its a video game with a serious tone and a very clever story that connects all 3 bioshock games

people will complain just about everything, great job ken for directing a great game

its hard to please all fans, just look at RE6 where capcom tries to please every RE fanbase and failed at them all, just keep making the best possible games and true fans will continue to support the series
ginsunuva  +   1025d ago
What's funny is that games are technically more real than religion.
garibubuprincess  +   1025d ago
Religion exists.
Septic  +   1025d ago
Oh gosh, I don't even........
TekoIie  +   1025d ago
Pretty sure the philosophy and teachings within most religions are more real than video games.

But if you want to talk about higher beings then its possible for you to be right.
FlameBaitGod  +   1025d ago
Lil kids here need to insult other peoples believes just to feel more secure about them self's.

Related video
Kurt Russell  +   1025d ago
Adults like to debate fact from fiction backed by evidence and integrity.
FlameBaitGod  +   1024d ago
Point me out the adults in here which posted their believes with facts. Don't worry Ill wait :)
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TekoIie  +   1024d ago
Your video talks about using facts and evidence to support science and then using that to prove the existence of a God.

But whats the one fatal flaw? Where was the proof that the first word was God? Or that one even exists for that matter?
BISHOP-BRASIL  +   1025d ago
You know what's funny? Probably Atheists and Agnostics are much more aversive to the idea of being forced to get baptized than any religious person, yet you don't see one complain from their camp.
xBigxBossx  +   1025d ago
More importantly why did he buy a rated M fps based on killing with a gun?? Baptism is against his beliefs but not murder??
Bordel_1900  +   1024d ago
We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.
Pl4sm4  +   1025d ago
reminds me of that southpark episode where the people got offended by everything during chrismas .. we would be left with nothing but a dark and gray festive day
Mounce  +   1025d ago
African Americans should also demand a refund. Oh wait, they haven't gone that far, what else can you expect from whiny, bigoted religious zealots....
Serjikal_Strike  +   1025d ago
Im happy to be an atheist, so i dont get offended by stupid sh*t like this
Lykon  +   1025d ago
in america i presume . I'm not even bothering. We are all 'fag enablers'
OmegaSlayer  +   1025d ago
I think people that have such narrowminded beliefs and can't separate fiction from reality should...well...rage quit.
These people are as scary as Talebans.
gedapeleda  +   1025d ago
@ snookies
They might know the fact but they're just using religion to get some cash.
But as always everyone blames the video games and not the movies or books...
DeadlyFire  +   1024d ago
These type of people.........

A game is a game. Its not real. Baptism, sex, death, and all other actions do not damage you in real life.
Bordel_1900  +   1024d ago
Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience.

Tzuno  +   1024d ago
People are so brainwashed that they want to judge everything.
Gimmemorebubblez  +   1025d ago | Funny
How Bioshocking
Studio-YaMi  +   1025d ago
That was clever ! xD bubble !
MEsoJD  +   1025d ago
oh you! :3
Pl4sm4  +   1025d ago
Good one lool
grimmweisse  +   1025d ago
oh snap!
aman84r  +   1025d ago
The baptism was annoying but nothing to ask a refund for.
kneon  +   1025d ago
"As baptism of the Holy spirit is at the center of Christianity - of which I am a devout believer - I am basically being forced to make a choice between committing extreme blasphemy by my actions in choosing to accept this 'choice' or forced to quit playing the game before it even really starts."

Ok so he can't handle baptism but he's ok with killing hundreds of people throughout the game? "Though shalt not kill" is one of the big ten.

It's just a game, either it's ok to commit virtual sins or it's not, you can't pick and choose.
Software_Lover  +   1025d ago
The sad part about it, Baptism of the Holy spirit is not the center of Christianity. Believing that Jesus Christ lived, was crucified, and arose on the third day is the center of christianity.

If baptism was the center, you wouldn't have to believe a thing.
jeffgoldwin  +   1025d ago
"Though shalt not kill"

Actually that commandment does still allow you to kill for self-defense and in times of war (provided it's justified).
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soniqstylz  +   1025d ago

not in the true devout Christian sense, as Christ teaches to turn the other cheek and forgive those who harm you.
Dirtnapstor  +   1025d ago
Actually it's not "kill", the Hebrew is "murder". There is a vast difference between the two. And yes, self-defense is endorsed.

@Jeff: Communication with the dead was eventually forbade in the Old Testament..ergo, you cannot forgive anyone from the grave.

Anyhow...back to the original topic at hand; I am a Christian, and I'm not offended. Objectivity is key here. Refunding on this premise is stupid.
Curious though...could you imagine what Hell would have been raised if any other religion had been utilized?
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Mounce  +   1025d ago
b-b-but....that's how all of them live...

Picking and choosing what to obey and what not to obey. Who the fuck needs to love thy neighbour when you have JESUS ON YOUR SIDE?!
tachy0n  +   1025d ago
religions in general are annoying and useless we all should get a refund on all the time wasted at churches and praying.

thats just my opinion, respect it :)
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Loki86  +   1025d ago
I am also a devout Christian and I know the difference between fantasy and real life. There is even a disclaimer in the credits that says "Relations or beliefs shared by anyone are purely coincidental." Some people really need to learn to separate media from real life, because these are all themes related to the atmosphere of the game, movie, or music you are playing, watching, or listening.

EDIT: Not understanding while people are disagreeing with this, but if you are play the game again and watch the credits.
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Halochampian  +   1025d ago
"I am also a devout Christian and I know the difference between fantasy and real life" Irony?

Religion is an ideology. The game was clearly showing the silliness of religion. How similar this ideology was to Christianity was obviously on purpose because of how big Christianity is in the USA.

It's a game willing to go places that most games wont go: Racism and religion.

To all the people offended, marilyn manson said it quite well, “If they think that an artist can destroy their faith, then their faith is rather fragile.”
jeffgoldwin  +   1025d ago
Actually if you believe in your certain religion, it's kind of insulting for another to call it an ideology. Similar to how all religions are not cults. Or how not all governments are communist.
Halochampian  +   1025d ago
That made no sense whatsoever, Jeff. A religion is a theology. It's a belief on life.

So if your offended because others don't believe in your theology and are critical about it, you are insecure of your beliefs.
Loki86  +   1025d ago
Well since you don't believe in a religion then that means you believe in evolution which is a theory. Everyone has some belief regardless of what you put forward. Calling Christian fantasy is no difference then me explaining the vast number of theories that disprove evolution. So grow up and don't post where you are not needed.
Halochampian  +   1025d ago
Actually, evolution is a proven theory. It is proven to have taken place and we can see this through countless fossils. It is as much a theory as the theory of gravity. And I doubt you would jump off a bridge to test that theory.

The problem with believing in religion is that they already claim to know all the answers and will not change their minds no matter how much evidence there is against it. Science changes its beliefs based off what is observed and tested.

And science doesnt claim to know everything like religion does but at least we are doing the work to try and understand
toxic-inferno  +   1025d ago
The theory of evolution and the theory of gravity are NOT comparable. Gravity is something we can perceive on short timescales, whereas evolution is something that requires many millennia of data.

Interestingly, however, the theory of gravity is in a LOT of debate currently. We actually have very little idea where gravity comes from (even after the discovery of the Higgs'). We can be sure that something we call 'gravity' exists, but currently we really don't know what it is the result of.
nugnugs  +   1024d ago
Sorry Loki, but a devout Christian does not know the difference between fantasy and real life.
Your whole belief system depends on zombies being real.
People dont come back from the dead. Never did. Never will.
Take a look around the world, does it really look like there is an element of control by any supernatural being? Continue praying for a new job or car etc.. while millions continue starving around the globe.
Yodagamer  +   1025d ago
The game is meant to be based off of social interactions during the 20s. If they find something wrong with the society based on the 20s clearly something was wrong with the 20s as well. But you'll never see them complain about the 20s or the religious aspect back then. They might have put the "coincidental" thing, but alot of it's based off of 20's culture.
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jeffgoldwin  +   1025d ago
I don't think anyone from the 20's is alive and playing video to complain. Call it a certain hunch.
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Animal Mutha 76  +   1025d ago
It's all bollocks

That is all
Serjikal_Strike  +   1025d ago
Best part of the game for me was drowning that a**hole in his "holy water"
Sharingan_no_Kakashi  +   1025d ago
I can understand his convictions. I'm a devout Christian. And a gamer. Mainstream video games today aren't very Christian friendly. It's why I went to college for game design. I plan to make a lot of Christian games. Currently designing a gamedoc for one right now. But to those who are saying Christians need to learn the difference between reality and fantasy I feel you're missing the point. The whole point stuff like this in games is to make you feel certain convictions. Game developers are always talking about how they want you to feel emotions and moral convictions but when people complain about the feelings that they try to invoke it's always "it's just a game get over it". Can't have it both ways people.
Godz Kastro  +   1025d ago
The sub conscious mind is a powerful thing. Most of the time people don't even realize their thoughts are being altered.
InMyOpinion  +   1025d ago
...and suddenly they find themselves worshipping a spaghetti monster in the sky.

Sorry, I had to :p
Yodagamer  +   1025d ago
Why shouldn't games be able to make you judge christian values? If a game is based on certain values that have existed in the 20's-50s and you feel uncomfortable shouldn't the problem be blamed on the source material instead of the game using them?
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Baka-akaB  +   1025d ago
This is ridiculous , i'm a christian and the game doesnt upset or offend me .

Instead of being vexed and going "how dare you philistine swine" , when facing a game with a caricature of religion , christian or otherwise ; they should look at it as an opportunity of seeing and imagining what a religion or rather religious community shouldnt behave like .

Even more so when the reality has actually be close to such fiction in human history .
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toxic-inferno  +   1025d ago
Exactly, I'm a follower of Jesus too, and I see Bioshock Infinite as a way to learn and understand how the world 'sees' my beliefs. Christianity is full of hypocrisy, and media such as this allow you to assess those hypocrisies and learn from them. Generally, to be offended is to reject the claim that Christians are hypocritical.
Sharingan_no_Kakashi  +   1024d ago
How did i know people were going to take this the wrong way. Oh cuz it's about religion lol...

Anyway, using yourself as an example is never a good tactic, unless you think all Christians should be like you. You can't tell someone that they are wrong for having stronger moral convictions than you.
Baka-akaB  +   1024d ago
And this isnt taking it the wrong way ?

I shouldnt probably have used you post as a reply platform , as is was just a general statement for people actually offended ...

But quite frankly i have yet to see any display of stronger moral fiber or convictions here .

"you think all Christians should be like you"
Really ? As opposed as people that arbitrarily decide what's offensive and of lower moral conviction for others ?

You are right this is definitively going the wrong way so best lay it to rest .
Patrick  +   1025d ago
I have no problem with the game, there are extremes to every religion or group and that is what the game is about. Plus, baptism is just a symbol to the people of you washing away your old self and coming out new. So get over it and game on. I wouldnt let my kid play it but its a mature game sooooo. Its a game, its fantasy, not real.
Halochampian  +   1025d ago
Make more Christian games? Great! Just what we need... more indoctrination for our children to not think for themselves.
Hayabusa 117  +   1025d ago
So when a game is made that caricatures religion in order to question it it's ok, but when a game is made to show a different aspect of religion, it's indoctrination? Hypocrite much?

I find it beautifully ironic when I see people succumb to the rigid way of thinking they're trying to oppose.
Halochampian  +   1025d ago
Its a game that shows that you shouldn't just believe what you are told. To critical think. Christianity shuns critical thinking. Trust me. I was forced into church for many years and currently are watching younger siblings indoctrinating into a belief system that only teaches what they want to while threatening them with hell if they don't believe.
hellvaguy  +   1025d ago
" more indoctrination for our children to not think for themselves. "

Children already get enough not thinking for themselves from lazy parenting and lousy schooling. Prolly wanna address those at the top of the list in the "blame others" game.

Because we all know personal accountability never holds any weight today. It's always tv's fault, religion, society, little johnie didn't get enough hugs etc.
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Septic  +   1025d ago
You just shot yourself in the foot there. Hayabusa is correct in highlighting your hypocrisy. Maybe your disbelief itself is "fragile".

You clearly have a very black and white view of things and the fact that you've taken the conflict approach and automatically deemed any favourable representation of Christianity in gaming as 'indoctrination' goes to show your lack of objectivity and the pervading agenda so common with atheists and their sheer intolerance of a religion that they claim they understand but usually boils down to the same tired rhetoric of, well, I'll just quote you as its so generic its bordering on cliché:

"Trust me. I was forced into church for many years".
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MarkusMcNugen  +   1025d ago
"You clearly have a very black and white view of things and the fact that you've taken the conflict approach and automatically deemed any favourable representation of Christianity in gaming as 'indoctrination' goes to show your lack of objectivity and the pervading agenda so common with atheists and their sheer intolerance of a religion that they claim they understand but usually boils down to the same tired rhetoric of, well, I'll just quote you as its so generic its bordering on cliché:

"Trust me. I was forced into church for many years"."

Run-on sentence much?

Unfortunately you are wrong. I cant speak for Halochampian, but I can read his comments, and nowhere does he say any favourable representation of Christianity in gaming is indoctrination. He expressed his opinion about Christian games, which is very different than any favorable representation.

A christian game would in fact be indoctrination if it were marketed towards children.

Your decision to hastily comment incorrectly goes to show your lack of objectivity and the pervading agenda so common with Christians and their sheer intolerance of atheism.
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Septic  +   1025d ago

Your decision to hastily comment incorrectly goes to show your lack of objectivity and the pervading agenda so common with Christians and their sheer intolerance of atheism."
"Run on sentence much?"

You've just displayed your immaturity as well as inability to even begin to comprehend what I've posted.

Have you even read his comment? Simply because of thr existence of Christian games he's assumed this is tantamount to indoctrination. Come back with a decent rebuttal. And I'm not Christian before you assume I am one.
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MarkusMcNugen  +   1024d ago

lol. Yeah, I was being silly when I posted that last paragraph in my previous comment. I couldn't help it.

I completely understand what your argument is and what Halochampions is. I honestly believe you just arent understanding my point. Halochampion did not say that simply because christian games exist it's indoctrination.

He said "Make more Christian games? Great! Just what we need... more indoctrination for our children to not think for themselves."

Do you see the difference? He invokes children as the justifier for not making christian games. In other words hes saying christian games directed at children are indoctrination. That is a true statement. It would be indoctrination of children.

Now if it was a mature game directed towards adults its more acceptable. They have developed the mental capacity for critical thinking and doubt even if they choose not to exercise it.

Halochampion clearly references christian games and children, implying that christian games are marketed towards children are indoctrination. You used a straw man and changed his argument from indoctrination of children to any favorable representation of Christianity in a game. Then again you do it by changing his argument to the existence of a christian game is indoctrination.

I agree with you that a game showing a favorable representation of christian is not indoctrination. I also agree that christian games in and of themselves are not indoctrination. It is only the games directed towards children that are considered to be so.

You should have commented with a decent rebuttal in the first place instead of using the strawman fallacy.
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Godz Kastro  +   1025d ago
Here we go. Now everyone wants to attack "religion" instead of topic at hand.

This guy has no problem separating himself from killing people in the game but has a problem with a digital baptism. I did it, it didn't take anything away from my walk. I do not follow any false idols after playing this game.

Honestly, still trying to completely understand the ending, lol...
MaverickStar7  +   1025d ago
This is pretty much just a representation of our society these days. Religious, non-religious, liberal, conservative, black, doesn't matter. People are always going to overlook the things they want to and then go get offended by something else. As much as some want to think they are above it, everyone is guilty of it in some way or another.
jek7  +   1025d ago
if you don't like it don't buy it its that simple! a game is a game that's all there is to it. it is meant to be enjoyed and not to be taken seriously!
Lucreto  +   1025d ago
I played it and I never batted an eyelid. I actually don't remember it.
elhebbo16  +   1025d ago
The game also shows a buttload of racism, sexism, and all other ism you could think of. why I cant get a refund on that? sigh..
AaronBaron  +   1025d ago
I've argued that Bioshock Infinite is actually an argument for faith, although it's definitely an attack on organized self-rightoeus religion.

I'm not one to judge, but my immediate impressions is that from a faith persepective, this "Christian" has built an idol out of his own belief systems. Enough to get offended at a game that hasn't even completed its narrative circle yet. How can he claim to know the game's opinion on God, faith, and religion without having even gotten to the end of the narrative?
Salooh  +   1025d ago
Exactly. I'm a muslim and i think this game didn't offend Christian. At first yes but in the end it turns out well. Anyone who want to judge this game have to play it to the end. Because the last 15 minutes changed my opinion on everything about the character. Can't spoil anything because a lots of people who finished it still don't understand what happened in the end xD ..
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ReubenPatrick  +   1025d ago
Kudos to you :D
Tundra  +   1025d ago
Valve, you're much too generous.
WildArmed  +   1025d ago
Valve definitely knows how to treat it's customers right.
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violents  +   1025d ago
Bottom line, its fiction.

Get over it.

Even if the game has the protagonist go through a baptism, it's the protagonists situation, its not as if the developer made you go get baptized before you were allowed to purchase the game. And I agree whole heartedly with the author, if this is your problem with the game than why not have a problem with all the other things in games that would be considered sinful in real life. Really this is where some idiot zealot draws the line? What a joke.
porkChop  +   1025d ago
He doesn't like being forced into baptism. So what about all the babies that are baptized in real life every day? They have no say in the matter, so why is that ok?

And I find it hilarious that his big problem with the game is baptism, nevermind the fact that the game is full of violence and murder. It's not like he's actually forced to follow the in-game religion in real life. But you can't just pick and choose which virtual sins matter and which don't. Either they all matter, or none matter at all.

Note: I haven't played the game yet as I'm going through BioShock again before I play Infinite. I've kept away from most info on the game, for example, I don't even know what the "vigors" are. So if you reply to me, please, no spoilers. Thanks.
Sketchy_Galore  +   1025d ago
Whoa, whoa, if you haven't played Infinite yet, close this page. Close your browser. Turn off the device you're reading this on and run, run as far away from any discussion of this game as you possibly can. In all seriousness. Even coming to n4g at all before you've finished the game is a major risk. It's highly likely that some dumb site will put a spoiler in their article title if they haven't already and comment sections... Jeeeez, forget about it. Seriously, do not come back to this thread and if you have to come to this site make sure to unfocus your eyes every time you see a little picture of this game by a title. The story is worth not spoiling and it will absolutely get spoiled for you if you keep reading comments about it, especially heated debates such as this one.
vividi  +   1025d ago
Saryk  +   1025d ago
This is called freedom of speech; I disagree but respect his opinion and his religious belief. It does not bother me in the least that he should get his money back. I loved the game and going through my second play on a tougher setting and can’t wait for the DLC.
Sketchy_Galore  +   1025d ago
My personal religion tells me the Raccoon shalt not associate with crippled turtles. Sucker punch have yet to issue my refund. The bigots.
Jagsrock  +   1025d ago
Soooo let me get this straight the baptism part is what bothered their christians beliefs yet buying a game that involves "extreme violence" didn't?
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birdykilla  +   1025d ago
How did we (humans) come to be? God? Evolution? Something Else? What is it? What do you believe? What you believe is your religion, and its just that a belief. I'm a Christian so its my belief that there is a GOD and he sent his only son to die on the cross for our sins. So that we my have everlasting life in heaven through our belief and faith in Christ. Those that say christians are evil judgemental haters are just plan wrong, we forgive and forget, we turn the cheek, we pray for those you need praying, we help those in need, we care for those that don't, we love those that hate, we feed the hungry, we try not hate or judge, we only wish and pray to see everyone in heaven. Most of us believe that GOD put us on earth not to suffer and hate, but to have fun and love!

I myself drink, smoke, screw, gamble, cuss, sometimes I even hate, we are all sinners, but through faith in Christ we still believe which is all that really matters.
OptimisticPrime  +   1025d ago
Well said. +1
kalkano  +   1025d ago
I'm glad you added the last sentence. The first paragraph is what we strive to be. But we ARE evil. Not because we're Christian, but because we're HUMAN.
Parapraxis  +   1025d ago
I don't consider myself evil thanks, speak for yourself.
Hayabusa 117  +   1025d ago

So you've never done anything wrong or hurt anyone in your entire life? What's your secret?

Seriously though, people who claim to be perfect tend to be the most dangerous in my opinion. Just look at history. Just look at Bioshock.

And before you turn my statement against Jesus, he was different because he was supposedly both divine and human at the same time. That's why Christians look to him as an example. Only the drowning man needs saving, and I for one strongly believe that we are all drowning in one way or another, the difference is some people can admit it, while others fail to see it.

If you're already perfect then you have nothing to grow and evolve into.
Parapraxis  +   1025d ago
"So you've never done anything wrong or hurt anyone in your entire life? What's your secret?"

Nobody is perfect, we all do good and bad, but that is far from being "evil" as it is being framed in this context.
If the majority of people were "evil" we would never be where we are today, as we would have destroyed ourselves.
So the assumption "we are evil" doesn't quite pan out.
I think the vast majority of people are good.
Not to say some people don't do the wrong things in their lives, but to say that is evil is shallow and ill thought out.
People often hurt people due to a lack of experience or foresight.
I know I'm not an evil person, and I certainly do not need a god to continue NOT being evil.
I live my life with good intentions and compassion as much as possible.

I don't think all humans are "evil", and the fact that we are here today kinda backs me up.

Also, at what point did I claim to be perfect? I know I am nothing of the sort.
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MarkusMcNugen  +   1025d ago

Well said... well said.
violents  +   1025d ago
Seems off topic a little
Well, thats all true in my book as well, however, what does that have to do with the article in question?

And I'm pretty sure you should have said humans are all sinners, not evil, that puts it in a whole different context.
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josephayal  +   1025d ago
I don't see anything bad
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Zeniix  +   1025d ago
What!? Valve should not offer refunds, this is just retarded...
KingKevo  +   1025d ago
Seriously?! Well, I kind of knew that this was about to happen in the overly sensible US, but it's still sooooo ridiculous. People should grow up and become more tolerant. I'm an atheist and am I offended that the motto of the US is 'In God We Trust'?! No!! And that is just one ridiculous counterexample from my side.

Edit: And as always, yes please, block my comment for being offensive N4G, block two thirds of the comments on this topic.
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hellvaguy  +   1025d ago
Would you be happier if it said, "In Satan We Trust"? Or we trust in nothing and just believe in alot of dead beat parents, some of who are criminals and thugs, will show us a just way to act.

Lol I would hope not.
violents  +   1025d ago
If yur an atheist than you have nothing to believe in anyway, so why should a phrase on a dollar bill offend you at all. You need to hold some sort of conviction towards something before you can get offended, either that or you are just saying you're offended out of some sense of vidictive spitefullness.
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KingKevo  +   1024d ago
As I said, it was a RIDICULOUS counteresample. I was not being serious! I just said that to show how stupid those people act that are getting offened by BS Infinite. But all that aside, I would understand if people who do not belive in religion or another religion might get offended the motto of the US, since it sounds like forcing them to trust in the Christian god as well. But I simply do not care at all. I'm totally liberal when it comes to that, the only thing I do not like are extremists and tbh, if you get offended by Infinite, I highly doubt that those people are not more or less fanatic and that can not be tolerated. But to me as a European stories like this are sooooo American. Complain about every little bit (especially when it's about religion) and get tons of media attention and stupid companies taking your stupidity serious. God ,or whoever it is, bless the states.
violents  +   1024d ago
I see your point, however just because its a phrase on our bills doesnt exactly make it the motto of our country. The fact that our forefathers came here and built a society to escape religous persecution pretty much set the stage for our current society to have strong christian undertones(they were all christians, mostly of puritan values) including that little phrase on our money. But this could be a whole other debate. Besides that there are also masonic and egyptian and greek symbols on our money as well, but no one complains about those because they are more subtle.

Its just paper anyway, who cares?
MarkusMcNugen  +   1024d ago

It is the official motto of our country when it shouldnt be. Im assuming by our forefathers you are referring to the puritan pilgrims. The pilgrims did not found the United States. They were escaping persecution for being too religious in Great Britain. The same country that founded the colonies.

A large majority of our "forefathers" were deists and a product of the enlightenment age. Not people escaping religious persecution as you seem to imply.

Nobody cares about the other symbols on our money. They are pretty pointless in todays society. Egyptian and greek mythologies are just that, mythologies. They are old dead religions with great stories. Only conspiracy theorists even remotely care about the masonic Eye of Providence on the back of our bills, its meaningless.

People care about the motto on our money because its in direct violation of the 1st amendment of the United States constitution. Not to mention it alienates polytheist and atheist citizens by making a claim to a singular god and by referencing god at all.
Baka-akaB  +   1024d ago
"If yur an atheist than you have nothing to believe in anyway" .

Not believing in gods is a belief system in itself . They just choose pure science and other mechanics over faith as none so far disprove the other .

Wich is their problem , so long as they dont by default decide to ridicule and open taunt others like some often do , while advocating their freedom to not believe in any god .
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belac09  +   1025d ago
religious people scare me more than any video game could. and before anyone gets offended, i dont mean EVERY religous person. just the extreme ones.
Saryk  +   1025d ago
After reading some of these post in this thread, I am getting scared of these fanatical gamers!
belac09  +   1025d ago
im sure you are, your scared of a fairy tail man why wouldnt you be scared of people too.
eyeDEVOUR  +   1025d ago
No gods or kings only man...... nuff said
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