Submitted by nrvalleytime 709d ago | rumor

New Source possibly confirms Durango features – “100% BC, no always-on feature ever considered”

A new source, found by NeoGAF member Cheesemeister, has potentially confirmed the final release specifications and features of Microsoft's upcoming Durango console. And these features are more than what any fanboy could have hoped for. (Microsoft, Xbox One)

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NastyLeftHook0  +   709d ago
just wait for the facts, not speculation.
Good_Guy_Jamal  +   709d ago | Well said
Oh so NOW people want to do the sensible thing and wait until Microsoft confirms.
I wonder why that is. Why the change in approach to rumors folks?
iGAM3R-VIII  +   709d ago | Well said
Very true, it is because when the rumours is going against them, they feel like it will have an advantage against them. Though mind you, the way you reacted makes you in the image as a Xbox fanboy so in theory you would both be in the wrong so next time I would just suggest not saying anything

Anyway when he says "Durango will be running Windows 8" this will be very interesting. I would want to see how that works out and everything else isn't really new things. This could be the most legit leak possible.

BUT he does say that he was TOLD these rumours which means that this could be less credible.

Nevertheless, if these rumours are true, it would be good to see how MS can utilize these features.

Damn E3 just has to be in June. and the MS reveal and rumoured PS4 reveal have to be in May -_-
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reynod  +   709d ago | Well said
I am a PC gamer hence not biased to ward any of the consoles. I think PS fans on this site have been rather biased and unreasonable.

When there is a bad rumor for the Xbox they will pretty much rejoice at it, however when a good rumor surfaces most of them will say "oh let MS confirm" lol. Funny how any good rumor for PS is taken as confirmation.

There is actually high chance the next Xbox will feature BC. Reason being Xbox 360 was already very close to PC architecture.

Its hard emulating the CELL with its SPU's however, emulating a PowerPC such as the one on the Xbox 360 shouldnt a challenge to MS.

I would think there is a high chance the next Xbox actually offers BC.
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blackstrr411  +   709d ago | Well said
When a sony fan sees something positive bout nextbox rumours they always say let wait for mc to confirm. Pathetic if u ask me
isarai  +   709d ago
Who says tentonsoftube is one of the same guys who took the other rumors as fact?
papashango  +   709d ago
good guy jamal...

good guy jamal indeed
talisker  +   709d ago
@reynod: if you call IBM PowerPC RISC processor from X360 "close to PC", you clearly have no slightest clue what you're talking about.
Good_Guy_Jamal  +   709d ago
@isarai, check out Hingle's post @1.2 for proof that Tentonsoftube has flip flopped his approach to rumors according to his bias.
Saigon  +   709d ago
From reading the post, it looks to be fake. After reading through the post, some of the wording is really off. Many times the author refers to MS as his company and then changes and says he is a developer developing a game on the platform. the other item that keyed me a little was that he was directly referring to the Durango. Last I check most leaks referred to the Next Xbox directly and not the development system. Also, some items made no sense what so ever, the 360 SoC combined with the current x86 processor would require a substantial cost to apply development tactics as well as create/manufacture the system.

This is the reason why i would like MS to just release something about the system. At least confirm its existence or provide something because we are going to get fanboys releasing content based on the applied rumors. Other than that we need to wait until the speculative meeting in May or E3.
Peppino7  +   709d ago
Its great news regardless.!
malokevi  +   709d ago
Positive news? Lets not react hastily, now...

lol. Did I just say that.... N4G?
Boody-Bandit  +   709d ago
I'm a 360 gamer and have been saying all along always-on isn't a deal breaker for me. The only rumor I was/am concerned about is the ability to play used and rental games. As long as MS supports them. I'm golden.

I also have said I'm waiting for E3. I don't buy into rumors, only facts. E3 can't get here soon enough so we will ALL know fact from fiction. WOW what this place will turn into if all these (always-on and wont support used or rentals) rumors were indeed nonsense.

Either way I am so looking forward to next gen. I'm in the process of upgrading my gaming room while waiting on it's arrival.
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sikbeta  +   708d ago
Ohohohohoho! all dat trolling for no reason lol guess some of those who wanted to believe all the bad rumors will hide for some time ;)
SlapHappyJesus  +   708d ago
Welcome to N4G.

It's only speculation if it's not confirmed and not pro-Sony related.
Dee_Cazo  +   708d ago
I was going to just comment on this and put "lolz"

but Jamal...my man
superterabyte  +   708d ago
Actually everyone has been saying wait till Microsoft says something. Including me. Oh and for good measure what do you guys plan on playing next gen?
GameSpawn  +   708d ago
To those saying PowerPC cannot be emulated on an x86 architecture... Apple's Rosetta say's "HI!".

However, Rosetta applications run like a giant turd. It was only meant to transition PPC users to Intel slowly and give developers time to create Universal binaries or purely Intel ones. Apple has since dumped Rosetta in 10.7.x and up.

So, Microsoft "could" do it in software, but it will either run very slow and/or have "glitches".

The only real solution for Microsoft to have 100% BC is to actually put an Xbox SoC (System on a Chip - a combination of the current Xbox PPC CPU and its GPU) in the system along side the x86 hardware (much like Sony did with the PS2 hardware in the first PS3s). This probably won't happen due to the insane overhead involved in the cost of the system and also the heat that would inevitably be generated -- I'm sure you don't want "RRoD-gate 2.0".
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bangshi  +   708d ago | Well said
OK so here are some reasons this is a fake.

- He/she claims to not know a lot of things. This is because he/she does not need to know those things. If the person is legit, then that is fine - there is a good chance you only get told what you need to know. However, on that basis - he or she cannot say with any degree of certainty that always-online was never considered. Because he or she said themselves many times in the pastebin, that they don't know everything.

It is therefore likely that they would also not know if at any point it was every considered.

I bet you it was. It is a very, very strong anti-piracy measure. They may not have gone through with the idea, but to say it was never considered? Don't believe it for a moment.

In planning you go all-out. You bring poor ideas to the table, you bring outlandish ideas to the table. Why? Because they can be worked on, fleshed out and turned into a good idea with work or it can spark someone else to say 'ah yeah good idea, but what if instead of xyz we do xyy'.

Another reason is that this person claims to be a Software Engineer but not a game developer.

On that basis, he or she either works for a company developing apps (ie. Netflix) or develops tools/engines for game companies. They don't know about the OS. Netflix devs would as they have to integrate with it - so that only leaves a tools or engine software engineer.

That person would know about how the 360 SoC integrates with the 720. No question. They have to know every in and out of the console.

And even if they weren't told, they would want to know.

Hell even many people on here who are just laymen want to know.

But he/she is dismissing it as no big deal.

Another reason - the controller. They know it looks the same, but feels different, but has never touched it. Bullshit.

One more reason - there is zero new information here, except that the 360 SoC can be utilised alongside the 720 SoC.

Everything else we already knew about. It just looks like they have read the leaked PDF from 2011 as everything in this 'leak' is in that document.
Saigon  +   708d ago | Intelligent
i don't get it, The rumors that were originally applied to the PS4 and Next Xbox came from very creditable sources. Such sources as Edge, Kataku, IGN, VG, Euro Gamer, NeoGaf, etc. They all seem to have similar rumors. We all considered them creditable, right.

With everything that has established in the last few weeks, we start receiving rumors from unknown sources. The funny part about this is that we are believing these unknown sources and stating their content to be true. My question is why? i don't believe the source because their are too many flaws. there is great content within this rumor posted, but if you look into where the info came from and how it was established, you will see it a fishy. 'Something Smells'. I just trying to figure out why the sudden change.

My stance is that we wait until MS confirms the details of their console. Sony has already confirmed the majority of the PS4 system and there is still more to learn.
Godz Kastro  +   708d ago
All of the sudden... Plus 1 Jamal
fr0sty  +   708d ago
Why assume that tentonsoftube was one of those people who was jumping to conclusions before? That only makes you look stupid if it isn't true. If it is, providing evidence would be a good idea.
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KwietStorm  +   708d ago
Lol why does someone always act like one voice of reason is flip flopping? Like they speak for everyone?
adorie  +   708d ago
Sigh. Regardless of what rumors, we should always wait for the facts. I'm going to come back and see disagrees but that's okay, there's plenty of irrational people on this site which kills any surprise for going against logic.

In the spirit of things, everyone gets a bubble, then I'm gone.
brich233  +   708d ago
Because its to good to be true, lol
asmith2306  +   708d ago
That is not true at all. Any recent article I have seen about the PS4 or next Xbox has always been filled with people saying wait for an announcement. Stop trying to get a dig in at something that wasn't there.
andibandit  +   708d ago

I read the post right after reading your comment. The difference in wording is because the author refers to diffrent sources. Also i could find a single sentence where the author refers to ms as his company.....please give an in context example

On a personal note, ill believe it when the words come out ms mouth
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DatNJDom81   708d ago | Trolling | show
blackmagic  +   708d ago
Emulators to run powerpc software on x86 processors such as pearpc and sheepshaver have been around forever, run fast and are extremely stable and a new ati gpu being able to run code for an old ati gpu is obviously going to be easy. Backwards compatibility seems like a no-brainer to me.
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AlphaTauri  +   708d ago
I am a M$ fan and don't see the problem or why anyone else is concerned or has a problem with what I support or how I spend my freakin' money. I'm pretty sure anyone that is making my product choices their concern should be worried about themselves and why they care what I am buying since it is really only a consumer product.
NewMonday  +   708d ago
this sounds more realistic than previous rumors, but their are 2 sticking points to this:

* how can the separate 360 SOC add to the overall Durango power without complicating development just to get about 15% extra power?

* how can the games for windows tie to the Durango marketplace? do they have one royalty rate and one submission process?
MysticStrummer  +   708d ago
"Oh so NOW people want to do the sensible thing and wait until Microsoft confirms.
I wonder why that is. Why the change in approach to rumors folks?"

As if MS fans haven't done the exact same thing, just in the opposite way. They've rejected negative rumors as hearsay, then pointed at positive rumors and squealed with joy. Let's keep it real.
ziggurcat  +   708d ago
@ good_guy_jamal

"Oh so NOW people want to do the sensible thing and wait until Microsoft confirms.
I wonder why that is. Why the change in approach to rumors folks?"

oh, so NOW you're choosing to accept this rumour as fact just because it contradicts the negative rumours...
JP1369  +   708d ago
I like how you say that as if he must be a Sony fanboy since he wants to wait for MS to comment. The article states that the VGLeaks are accurate about everything except the 360 SOC, which would mean this new rumor corroborates the old rumor of the new Xbox being slower than PS4. So I ask you, why would anyone that's asking for us to wait for confirmation have any ulterior motive against MS? His response is nothing more than the sensible reply to what is basically the same basic rumor. Backwards compatibility isn't that big of a deal. I use it just as much on my Slim PS3 as I did on the fat, which is never. If MS does offer it, good for them. Having said that, it's not as if that's the thing that will sway the market in their favor if they don't already have a lot of other things going for them.
P.S. To anyone that actually thinks a CPU/GPU from 2005 is going to add significantly to the power of the system, you're kidding yourself. It'd be great if they could use it to run kinect and OS though.
Army_of_Darkness  +   708d ago
Let's just waiii....umm, I mean...
Cool... Now I won't have to feel sorry for the xbox 720 owners;-)
SkyGamer  +   708d ago
I always knew that bc would be there. MS owns the ChipSets in the X360. Why go through all that trouble not to offer bc????
bakasora  +   708d ago
Now this changes everything
elmaton98  +   708d ago
Rumors are rumors but what is being said of the ps4 is true and besides if what this guys are saying it's true then I can't wait to hear what ms has in store for all of us.
Saigon  +   708d ago

After reading it over once again, a few hours later, he didn't make that reference, and i apologize for the confusion on my end, but it still doesn't change my stance about creditable sources. Technically MS and Sony is the most creditable you can get when gathering information but there are some websites that have very detailed and contain creditable information as I stated in my first post on this subject. Because the source is coming from some run of the mill person that created and then deleted their account on NeoGaf within minutes of posting the content (a little exaggeration on my end) seems a little suspect. And people are stating this as truth. It kind of reminds me of that Russian Website that laid out all the plans for the Next Xbox and the PS4 and implied how the Next Xbox had all this content. Later it was discovered as rubbish.

Coming into the Next generation I sort of expected the Next Xbox to be very powerful in comparison to the PS4; though every creditable source is stating otherwise. i don't care which is more powerful because I am going to get both regardless. My main problem in this case is not the system but the source.

My whole point is that I can't understand why people believe this mess and it hasn't come from a true creditable source such as MS or Sony itself.
CommonSense  +   708d ago
Jamal, I think we all know the answer to this... These people are idiots. A disgrace to the gaming community.

@reynod: "I think PS fans on this site have been rather biased and unreasonable."

that's putting it mildly. these people are complete douche bags.
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nix  +   708d ago
everyone took "always online" as a rumour in the beginning but there were lot's of devs talking/discussing about it.. which never let the topic die. and then let's not forget the twitter fiasco. i mean that one incident made everyone think it was true.

there were so many circumstances that actually led everyone believe that it was true.
Karpetburnz  +   708d ago
You know this kind of goes both ways, When Its negative rumours Xbox fanboys say "Its only a rumour, wait for the facts" but if its a positive rumour Xbox fanboys all agree with it.

You cant call out a single group of fanboys for doing this, both PS3 and Xbox fanboys will only want to believe what ever rumour suits them.
gigoran  +   708d ago
And what you are doing is any different? Oooooook....
360ICE  +   708d ago
How do all of you guys get "Well said"? Not one of you said anything well.

Anyway, naturally hoping these rumors are true.
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SkyGamer  +   706d ago
It's not a hard concept. The only thing you need is the triple core processor. The memory can be shared, beef up the eDRAM to 32 MB instead of 10 and a newer ATI video card with x86 cpu. The only tricky part would be to use the triple core dual thread alongside the 8 core x86. If they can achieve that, they would have a clear advantage. Triple core running at 3.2 ghz w/dual threads to work alongside 8 x86 cores w/32 mb eDRAM and 8 GB DDR3? Bring it on Micro!
Hingle_Mcringleberry  +   709d ago | Well said
Wait and see he says. . .

Not once did you display this "sensibility" when you were commenting on the xbox always online rumors.
You seemed to have such colorful opinions towards the other rumors, why aren't you extending the same level of interest and imagination to these more positive rumors? I mean you were ready to take those negative rumors as fact!

Help your old buddy Hingle understand why you're suddenly so sensible as Jamal puts it. . .You're just full of it aren't you? Aint no explanation necessary.
And by it I mean dung!
WalterWJR  +   709d ago
I hope one day you will also stalk jamal
Saigon  +   709d ago
Well, my problem is that it seems fake, that is if you evaluate the original posts.
miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   709d ago
What's funny is all the agrees he gets on his speculation of bad durango rumors. :D LOL.. classic.
Godz Kastro  +   708d ago

The internet has a way of following you around. Dont forget that...
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gobluesamg  +   708d ago
What a waste of your time to look for those comments. wtf
specialguest  +   708d ago
Thank you Mr Mcringleberry. Always wanted to catch these lil rascals in the act, but I'm glad you did. Fanboys will be fanboys, but there are a certain breed that are flip-floppers which are the worst.
zeee  +   708d ago
I own both 360 and PS3 but I game more on my PS3 than 360. A lot more. I also believe that Sony's rules this generation when it comes to software power. They have diverse amount of games for everyone! Do I hate my 360? Helllll noo! Why would I? Do I get paid by SONY or MS? It's quite the opposite actually.

I am glad that this rumor is out and about. I am getting SICK AND TIRED of these articles about XBOX 720 having always online features and what not.

Seriously, gamers need to shut up and play their games on their choice of platform. I have been saying this for so long, we should wait till E3.

We as gamers should WANT to see Nintendo, Sony and MS do well. We need a healthy competition between these companies. It only helps our cause.

And yeah, I have been saying that for a long time. You can even check my comment history.
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HarryMasonHerpderp  +   709d ago
They will have a pretty big advantage over Sony if this is true. A lot of people will big this up as the sole reason to go with the next Xbox over the PS4.
For me personally though it really doesn't matter.
I'm only interested in next gen games for next gen consoles. I wish Microsoft would just announce their console already! too many rumours! XD
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Kyosuke_Sanada  +   709d ago
It's what keeping the spotlight on the console and if I was Microsoft I would try to estimate a peak before releasing any news. The interwebs is such a fickle beast.......
Godz Kastro  +   708d ago
I could do with out BC on the 360 although I want it. Same with ps4, I didn't own a ps3 for most of this gen and their are some exclusives I want to play. I want to know what all the hub-bub about journey is and last of us.

So... I hope both systems do it...
-PS cause I haven't played their games
-XBOX - because I've kept games I like and would like to keep some of them. Like the COD Zombie games...
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rainslacker  +   708d ago
Running the 360 processor in parallel was the most interesting thing. It seems that goes against the rumored Mini/Durango leak last week though.

Interesting concept, but seems like it wouldn't be practical from a timing perspective.

I'm with you though. I'm ready for MS to announce it so we can stop speculating and hopefully having the start of the thread filled with fan boy nonsense.
THE TRUTH  +   709d ago
I can't agree with the rumor based on the fact that this "insider" would have to be really high on the food chain to know 100% without a doubt that microsoft NEVER considered a always online console.

I think the truth about durango is probably somewhere in the middle of the negative and positive rumors. Microsoft just needs to announce the console and clear up all this BS.
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MariaHelFutura  +   709d ago
Yep. When multiple rumors start popping up there is usually some truth to them. They just suffer the sewing circle effect and end up exaggerated or under stated.
rainslacker  +   708d ago
I wouldn't doubt that all the big 3 considered it. I also believe that all the big 3 decided it would be a bad idea, and that the market isn't ready for it.

I know I talked a lot of hate about the idea, but never believed MS would make a mistake that big.
MariaHelFutura  +   709d ago
This is great (if true). I don't care much for b/c, but always on makes it a no go for me.
OlgerO  +   709d ago
If these rumours are true then my interest in the next xbox has been sparked. Cant wait to see what they do with the thing. I hate monthly subscriptions though so if it has that to play online then i wont even consider it.
dcbronco  +   709d ago

I'm not sure that person would have to be so high. It say's the truth was hidden until now. That makes perfect sense and jibes with the rumor last week that the Durango has dual APUs. Now that we're within a month or two of a reveal(and point of no adjustments before launch), it was time to give the developers the big picture.

The big question is whether or not this is the same exact chip or a new and improved chip. An improved chip could handle services and BC at the same time. I would think it's an updated chip. Maybe a Power7 CPU attached to the long rumored 6670 GPU. Still the same basic architecture so it will run 360 games, but far more powerful and still very cheap. That would be a huge amount of power. And AMD has been adding ARM cores to APUs for security so that part could still be true.

Also and this would have bigger implications to me. If the OS is full blown Windows(maybe Blue) will it be able to play PC games. I would think not because they get no license fee for that. But it would open up a ton more games to Durango. But there were also those rumors that the Windows 8 store would be accessible on the Xbox.
Dlacy13g  +   709d ago
I agree, the biggest part of this rumor is the OS allowing games for pc to be played. Probably not full blown pc games but I certainly could see the indie stuff that is present in the Windows 8 store having no issue assuming controller support is present. This could also explain why MS was not so active on the indie scene at GDC, they feel confident they will get indies with a cheap license fee. Also explains why they dropped XNA support. All again "if true".
headblackman  +   708d ago
I was thinking the something on the next Xbox being able to play PC games. they Xbox may not have the license (or they may) but on the back of every PC game it says compatible with Windows (and then it gives the versions of windows along with the minimal to best specs to play the game on) so that could be the loop hole or the plan the whole time since xbox 360
THE TRUTH  +   708d ago
Obviously this insider would have to have know about the entire process from start to finish to know with 100% certainty that Microsoft NEVER even though of an always in console. Its not a debatable agrument. I'm not saying he/she is not in the know all I am saying is that this insider source is high up or is BS.

I'm sure whatever Microsoft Has up there sleeve it's somewhere in the middle of the negative and positive Rumors. I don't at all believe that Durango using 360 APU will drastically improve Durangos processing power. That just doesn't make sense.
rainslacker  +   708d ago
I think PC gaming would be done through something like what GFWL was doing. There is no way MS would allow unlicensed or unsigned code to run on the machine out of the box, and that is what PC software is.

MS would provide the market, and PC devs/pubs could decide to just use a base spec in order to release it on the system, with MS taking a cut. Much like Google or Apple do with their respective stores.

It could also open up the indie scene much like XNA was supposed to do if they have a reasonable marketplace that is heavily visited.

Could be quite a boon for them against Steambox if it gets the major PC AAA support.
avengers1978  +   709d ago
Possibly confirms... Is that like kinda sort of maybe.
The rumors that bug me are focus on casual and kinect centric.
I'm sure at E3 they will show lots of games, but will they be more core or more kinect.
The head to head battle between Sony an ms should be fun.
The competition between the 2 has really been beneficial to gamers as a whole
DeadlyFire  +   709d ago
Always on is true. Just not in the way people think. Sony has confirmed PS4 is always on and instant load up. This is likely the only always on that the X720 has for it as well.

Someone smeared the wording I believe into thinking online was even part of it.
iGamerZero24  +   708d ago
Battery's in the new controller doesn't sound next gen IMO to be homes ! Heck Nintendo's pro controller had 80hrs of battery life ,.so there's no reason for battery packs ! It's 2013 MS...
AngelicIceDiamond  +   708d ago
"just wait for the facts, not speculation."

Ok, I been saying that when the negative rumors were floating about, why is this so different now this is a positive rumor?


"The only thing that I do know for definite is that Durango will be running Windows 8. It will essentially be the full version of the OS, minus the desktop side of things. This means it’ll be running the new WinRT framework, which as a side effect also means that contrary to popular belief MS will be the most indie friendly of all the big 3 next gen.
This is because any app/game that is created for the Windows app store will (after adding controller support of course) be playable on Durango.
In other words, any random person worldwide can pay Microsoft a $60 license fee (for the Windows Store) and submit their app/game to the store where millions of people can then download/buy it. No expensive development kits needed."

That would be MONSTROUS. Though I disagree with @Tube we do have to wait for MS word so, its all just rumors.

EDIT: the fact that MS (rumored) will support full backwards compatibility does mean that MS does care about the gamer.

Its what I've been preaching for months now. MS has waaay more teams/support working on this thing. its unfortunate 360 got caught in the middle of MS internal development and growth going into next gen therefor MS couldn't "multitasks" as well with the 360 near the end of its cycle.

Releasing apps while making casuals and developing hardcore titles. Now Obviously that last one wasn't possible with MS because allot of the devs were hard at work with the 720 the past 2 or 3 of years.

To keep this short and sweet MS has more teams and support with the 720 then they ever did with the 360. And a new found openess with indies so expect a bunch of hardcore exclusive titles at E3 as well as great indie support.

if true, the possibilities can be endless.
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Cueil  +   708d ago
many of the games already have Xbox native controller support
MYSTERIO360  +   708d ago
''AA batteries will make a return'' I hope this is not true, its 2013 i don't want AA batteries but integrated rechargeable ones.
Crazay  +   708d ago
I really have no stomach for integrated rechargeable batteries. The simple fact that I've had to shell out $50+ per controller on my PS3 just because the batteries have stopped charging is more than a little piss off when interchangeable batteries with AA or even AAA batts would have been a simple and inexpensive solution.

What I would like is the ability to toss in off the shelf rechargeables into the controller and allow the controller to recharge them when plugged in.
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crazysammy  +   708d ago
@Crazay don't you think you spend more than $50 on batteries in the same amount of time a PS3 controller dies? I have had DS3s last for YEARS. That would have been easily over $100 in batteries.

I agree though the removable rechargeable would be nice so you don't lose a controller just because a battery dies.
MYSTERIO360  +   708d ago
@crazysammy. Yeah totally agree, removable rechargeable would be a lot better then having to deal with constantly buying and swapping AA batteries.
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GetSnooked  +   708d ago
"don't you think you spend more than $50 on batteries in the same amount of time a PS3 controller dies? "

Nope, When the Xbox 360 released I bought 15 minute rechargable batteries for the controllers. Now here in 2013, I'm still running on those same batteries.

Personally, I'd prefer the rechargable battery method, that way when the batteries begin to die I'd just buy another two batteries.
3-4-5  +   708d ago
Actually makes the Durango sound liek it might be worth buying then, or it sounds better than it previously did.

BC is huge...Controller staying the same is huge....Any windows games playable on Durango is huge for gamers and indie market.

If these are true they have an effective counter-punch to Sony.

I still really like what Sony has done with the PS4 though, but I've always loved 360's controller.

I'm glad the choice is actually possibly a hard one now though instead of a no brainer towards PS4.
showtimefolks  +   708d ago
I am tired of these rumors or so called confirmed by unknown sources

Can't wait for E3 so we get everything from the console makers them self

But BC
And not always on is a good start MS

I bought the original 60GB ps3 with BC and maybe used it twice so for me personally BC is over rated, I plan on keeping my current gen systems for a while after new ones come out
Thabass  +   708d ago
Why do 100+ people disagree with this.

100+ are fucking idiots.
coolbeans  +   708d ago
It's the irony behind who's stating it. This same poster ran amok during the Orth twitter fiasco predicting MS' doom when there's been no substantiated evidence of an "always-on" console.
Thabass  +   708d ago
@coolbeans - Oh, I see. Well, then I guess that is kinda lulzy.
dcbronco  +   708d ago

You'd be surprised how much information gets down to lower level employees. There are always "trusted" people that have closer relationships with higher ups than usual that get information most don't have. I worked at a law firm(a well known NY firm) when I was twenty for years and I knew about things most of the other employees never knew about. Personal and business related. It all depends on who you become friends with.

What the 360 APU would bring would be dependent on whether or not it's just the same chip and how they use it. Even if it is the same chip and they use the GPU for compute, it would help in physics and AI. If they modify the parts to work on more like the the AMD design it could act as a discrete GPU.

MS has done a lot of that type of work on their own. The 360 APU was made by them and their design had to be slowed down because it was faster than the parts before MS combine them. I'm sure the parts will be modified to some extent to make them more efficient at the least. But there is a better chance I believe that they will upgrade the parts to vastly increase the power of the console.

APUs can work in parallel. AMD has worked on that before. And modifications that Jaguar brings is all about making separate parts work together including discrete GPUs. These chips write to the same memory address(CPU and GPU). There is no reason to believe more than one APU can't do this. MS patents show system that appear to be built in that way. Look at the PSU link below. MS has been working on this for years.

Cueil  +   708d ago
<_< that looks a ton like the 720 stuff leaked around... makes me wonder... also I assume only the 360 APU chip will be on board and that thing probably cost hardly anything... if you can off load stuff onto that APU that would help in some of the more mundane task
kenshiro100  +   708d ago
I've said before that all we're hearing are rumors...
g2gshow  +   708d ago
True true
g2gshow  +   708d ago

true true
dcbronco  +   708d ago

Normally I would agree about the security aspects of mods and PC code in general. But remember the admitted system architecture leak. It contained ARM cores and the main reason was for TrustZone.


Also AMD figured out a way to place an ARM core on their APUs for security.


So while it would be open, it should be safe. The inclusion of TrustZone makes you wonder if the next Xbox will be more open. This also may be the reason they dropped XNA. Everything will be moved to the Windows side and still work on the Xbox.

I think there is a lot of truth to the newer rumors. The others were too stupid and self destructive. The newer rumors make more sense. Mark Cerny said that most developers weren't using the full capability of the APUs with the first games. Much like the PS# and 360. So MS holding back the 360 APU wouldn't have mattered. But now that the release is closer and developers have final dev kits, more people have the opportunity to see what is really under the hood.

I think MS has some major surprises in the coming months. Maybe even a Summer 360 S type release. Some people have already set money aside. Many will be working Summer jobs and others will just go with a subscription and subsidized console. The next couple of months will be very interesting. Silence may be golden once more.
CommonSense  +   708d ago
Right, this is what i would expect people to say once the rumors are positive.

you people couldn't wait to criticize MS when you thought the always-on rumors were true.

damn, this community sucks.
TheSaint  +   708d ago
Apparently they want to wildly speculate instead. Can't believe you got that many/any disagrees.
otherZinc  +   708d ago
Yeah, I knew it. I fully expect for the 720 to be backwards compatible, among other things.

However, I'll still wait for M$ to confirm this. I also knew M$ wasnt going to respond to SONY announcing the PS4; M$ didnt have to. SONY isn't a threat to the 360 at this time.

Also, SONY is at a disadvantage with backwards compatibility with the PS4, also, with their PSN transferring all current PS3 games & information to the PS4. M$ will have that ready day 1, SONY wont.
CaptainCamper  +   709d ago
"potentially confirmed"
famoussasjohn  +   709d ago
Gotta love the wording in all these rumors lol.
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ThatCanadianGuy514  +   709d ago
Well how could i NOT believe a random guy on the internet, named cheesemeister..
Gimmemorebubblez  +   709d ago
These rumors are better then the VGleaks ones but I just smell something fishy or should I say cheezy?
Virus201  +   709d ago
VGleaks even posted the news on their site.

nrvalleytime  +   709d ago
@Virus201 Right - this is a good rumor, even if it's still a rumor. Here's hoping it's true.
ALLWRONG  +   709d ago | Well said
So now you suddenly don't believe in rumors or random guys on the internet?

Funny because both you DayZ and Beggingforbubbles believe the always on rumors.


And people wonder why the PS fanbase always look like fools. Easy to do when you flip flop right before everyone's eyes.
torchic  +   708d ago
what the hell do you people who dig through comment histories do with your lives???

get out, smell the air, examine the sand, play with some bugs, climb a tree!
as one of my favourite bands once said:

"never underestimate the daylight, there it's so much easier to breathe!"
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Irishguy95  +   708d ago
"Digging through comments" Takes about 15 seconds of scrolling
ArmrdChaos  +   708d ago
There are search tools available if you choose to use them. Maybe some of them trolls should go get some air too...I don't see you mention anything about them. Maybe if more were held accountable for the crap they say then maybe the social aspect of this site would improve. Alas...they just create new accounts...need to fix that.
WeAreLegion  +   708d ago
God, I love air.
Karpetburnz  +   708d ago
Again, this goes both ways, I could say the same thing for Xbox fanboys who dismissed negative rumours because they diddnt want to believe them, now a positive rumour pops up and now fanboys saying they believe it to be true and dissagree with anyone who says "its just a rumour"

The Xbox fanboys calling out others for being hypocrites are actualy being hypocrites themsleves in the process.
HyperBear  +   709d ago | Interesting
If, and thats one big IF, Microsoft come out with these speculations as made by the NeoGAF member:
1. Always Online not required to play games offline
2. Xbox 360 SOC --> 100% Full Backwards compatible with all Xbox 360 games right out of the box
3. Xbox 360 SOC --> Used to help increase 720's processing abilities
4. A slightly revamped controller with new d-pad and lower latency

I'd say those announcements would be well received by everyone. All they would have to do now would be to announce launch/price information and show off a lot of GAMES!
Dno  +   709d ago
i gotta say I have to agree. I got every system first day and Wii and WII u and now 360 (first years off 360 was awesome now its a DVD player) i dont even play anymore.

Between PC and ps3 i had all the games i wanted. So this gen i was gonna get ps4 and and wait for a nice 720 bundle. but this info looks really good. Might have to look into it more. I wish i had waited on the Wii u tho. i havent played that since it came out. worst first year ever.
kneon  +   709d ago
If they have gone this route then not everyone will be happy. If they include the 360 guts along with kinect then you can expect the next xbox to be the most expensive next gen console.
dcbronco  +   709d ago
If it's just a regular 360 SoC then it will have little to do with the price. That thing cost them less than a Blu-ray drive now. How do you think they can have a $99 Xbox Mini? Because that chip cost next to nothing. Considering it will be 32nm or even 28nm, it should be no more than $10 to make.

Unless they update it a lot. But the cost will still be no more than $20-25.
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kneon  +   709d ago
It's not just the cost if the chip. Integrating a secondary processing unit increases the complexity of the motherboard and the software, and increases the power and cooling requirements, all that adds to the cost.
malokevi  +   709d ago
Fine by me. A bit of extra money, a bit of added processing power, and full backward compatibility? boooo hooooo.

Whereas playstation owners will watch their entire PS3 library go obsolete as fast as their console dies.
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kneon  +   708d ago
I don't care about the cost but for many it is an issue.

I think the better approach for both companies would have been to make an external module for backwards compatibility.

They could use something like ePCIE or Thunderbolt to connect to a box with just the processing guts of the console, it would make use of the internal storage, optical drive and video output capabilities of the host machine.

In fact this approach would allow it to also connect to a PC and with the right software it would to turn it into an XBox/PS3.
JamieL  +   709d ago
To be honest if you can use your 360 controller with it would be the best news possible for me. I had to have a custom controller made so I can play do to a motorcycle wreak I was in that left my right (dominate of course) arm flail (or useless). Evil Controllers got with me and helped design something I could use, for example I control the left stick with my right foot, at first it was the right stick, but I switched it so I could aim with my hand, and I have an adapter that lets me use it on my PS3 as well, but If it can be used with the next Xbox it would be a godsend to me.
Cueil  +   708d ago
if not then start a fundable and let us know so we can donate to get you another custom controller
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whoyouwit04  +   709d ago
This article won't get approved, it all ready has to many reports but I did post the same story earlier that shockingly did get approved. I think the only reason it did get posted, was I brought up the fact that over 8 articles claiming the 720 WOULD NOT require always online were all reported as fake and blocked. look at the reports for this article, fake, Bad editing, and remove tag. Any thing to keep a positive 720 article from being published. the only thing I can see this being reported for is duplicate.
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nrvalleytime  +   709d ago
You realize my article has been pending for almost a day, yeah? There's no duplicate here, just what you mentioned - a rumor that shows the 720 in a possibly positive light. :-)
r21  +   709d ago
Sound like pretty good rumored news. Well, except the batteries. Still AA batteries? Why not rechargeable batteries like the Wii U and DS3 controllers. Anyways, other than that, pretty exciting news :)
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nukeitall  +   709d ago
Because it is easy replace those batteries in a hurry. I never have to charge my batteries with my controller hooked up to the console with a tiny 6ft cord.

It's just instantly gets replaced and I always have them ready. They are cheaper than buying an extra controller when that battery dies.

To me that is a good design choice. I was afraid that wasn't going to be the case with the next Xbox, but somewhat alleviated that the rumor is stating AA batteries baby. Now, I can just use what I already own provided the rumor is true! o_0
r21  +   709d ago
I dont know, having AA batteries still in controllers seems like IMO an ancient thing to have around next gen. Rechargeable batteries right in the controller would be a better solution. Battery dying out? Just plug in the cord and keep on playing like the DS3 controller.

Well, if thats the way you and other folks prefer then its cool too, i guess.
Zcarnut  +   709d ago
My eyebrow rose when I read that about the batteries too.Seems like nowdays, even your next toaster will be rechargeable LOL. I will say that the AA batteries outlasts my rechargeable one by a large margin.
hobohunterz  +   709d ago
They could still have rechargeable batteries that are removable.. For quickswapping
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Sniperwithacause  +   709d ago
No offence , but it still have a working sixaxis controller that came with my February 07 Phatty.the triggers stick and the square button has no spring, but the battery holds a charge just as well as it did in 07. Just wanted to put that out there. I would like to see battery packs for next gen controllers this time around.
r21  +   709d ago
Well, if you're going to buy the nextbox then I think you'll be happy, seeing as the rumor points out MS is still using AA batteries instead of the standard rechargeable batteries.

The DS4 will be using rechargeable batteries, hopefully better long lasting ones.
malokevi  +   709d ago
I HATE AA battery controllers. Every single one of my non-wired controllers has broken. I've had 7 of them.

All I have left are 2 wired controllers (that I bought for the fact that they are wired) and my black special-edition xbox battery-controller that I got with my new box.

I hope to god there are controller ports on the nextbox.
Kaiou  +   708d ago
Well , with this you can use either normal OR rechargeable batteries , it's much better to have options .
Ron_Danger  +   709d ago
Wow... A rumor that debunks all the other rumors!! Must be true!! Are there any other gamers that can wait till E3? Just be patient. Remember that no console has ever been perfect. No matter what happens with the new XBox, 90% of owners will love it and 10% will find something to complain about. Just wait for an official statement. Microsoft isn't stupid. They'll still turn out something awesome (and this is coming from a Sony only gamer).
sway_z  +   709d ago
If this is true, then it's a game changer and I suspect every 360 fan will be happy with this.

Many jumped on the MS bandwagon as soon as those terrible rumours surfaced...Now I wonder how many of those Xbox owners who said they're getting PS4 next gen will again change their minds and crawl back into bed with MS?

Total sluts! lol
blackstrr411  +   709d ago
I was one of em.
JamieL  +   709d ago
Why would that be bad, or stupid. If they take every rumor as fact then they are a bit flakey anyway, but what’s wrong with me, as a big 360 fan, saying if it has to be online all the time, it's stupid? I myself was asking who in their right mind would think it's a good idea to make it completely useless without a connection? I will also would be ecstatic if these were true. What's wrong with that? I'm a slut? I think it's much more slutty way tentonsoftube is doing up there. You know the PS3 fanboy creed, jump all over bad 360 news like it's 100% true, and if they say anything good, let's wait and see. So don't boggle yourself with what “they” do. You don't want one anyway right?
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sway_z  +   708d ago
To be honest I'm really not sure what I want next gen...I own 360 and PS3 at moment, but I only want one console next gen.

I'm gonna decide at E3, but this Next Box rumour has made it even more difficult...Need to see both MS & Sony's games/features/prices at E3 to be 100% sure.

I'm 50/50 right now...

*The whole slut thing was meant with affection :)
JamieL  +   708d ago
I agree with that 100%, to be honest I would like to own both eventually anyway, but do to new physical limitations I've run into all that depends on a lot. One thing I can say right now is that if the new Xbox is compatible with the 360 controllers it is a guaranteed day 1 buy for me. I can't use my right arm at all so I have a $200.00 custom controller, so I would have to be able to get a new modified controller for either system. I haven't found anyone who even does this with PS3 controllers, so that is a big worry with me. The WiiU for example has automatically excluded someone like me with their new controller. Thank goodness they made a 360 to PS3 adapter for the cordless controllers, or I couldn't even use my PS3.

Also if there is anyone in my situation reading this Evil Controllers is who built my controller, they offer this service to help people come up with a design that can work for them.
Kyosuke_Sanada  +   709d ago
This sounds more realistic to say the least.....
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isarai  +   709d ago
Why because it's positive? I mean i'm not saying the other rumors are even remotely credible, but i don't see how this one is more realistic just because it's what you want, i mean the shit is coming from some random guy on the internet called cheesemaister, don't see how that's any more credible
Kyosuke_Sanada  +   709d ago
But believing Microsoft would shoot it's own foot off with always online is such a way to go? I might as well make a bunker for when we're bombed by North Korea while I am it it......
isarai  +   709d ago
did i say i believe the other rumors? no i didn't, but this rumor doesn't have any more credibility than the others. Also, again not saying i believe the other rumors, but it wouldn't be the first time MS made a greedy decision screwing their consumers over in the process(and no i'm not referring to just the Xbox).
deepio  +   709d ago
How would it be a 'greedy' decision if they lost a whole load of their customers? And they would, the amount of people with no stable internet connection would be huge. Greed is one thing, stupidity is another.

This is rumour, yes, but the points within it make more sense than some of the other crap out there.
Calm Down Sunshine  +   709d ago
I hope so, I can't wait to play the Halo series again, and the Forza series and.. what was the other one.. Gears of War!

Only joking cheeky chops. This is good news for everyone if it's true.
Calm Down Sunshine  +   708d ago
9 disagrees..

How isn't this good news for everyone if it's true?

It means Xbox users will get BC and it may also push Sony to up their game in terms of BC. (More so than their current offering.)
Kyosuke_Sanada  +   709d ago
What I believe in when it comes to making a decision between the two is competition. If I hear that a product will have a logical feature that makes it better than the other then it raises my interest. Of course my final choice will be after the consoles release but nothing wrong with sifting through the chaff to find something that is somewhat believable.

I see no reason why any company would bank in always online at all when it can't be used as leverage against the other currently. I'm sorry if my belief in something feasible offends you.......
bunt-custardly  +   709d ago
Some interesting stuff here that needs to be seen no matter what side you're batting on.
fermcr  +   709d ago
If it's true... again IF true, then Microsoft will have an advantage over Sony, specially for those gamers that have a lot of X360 games.
InTheZoneAC  +   709d ago
im keeping my ps3

u mad?

and what games are on 360 that are worth playing once the new system comes out anyway?
Kyosuke_Sanada  +   709d ago
Lost Odyssey, Dead Rising, Halo 3...I could go on answering but that's what Google is for......
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whoyouwit04  +   708d ago
"im keeping my ps3

u mad?"and what games are on 360 that are worth playing once the new system comes out anyway?

sounds like you are the one who's mad. If this rumor is true. we Xbox fans will have a choice as to whether or not we want to keep our 360. However, you Sony fans will not.
MasterCornholio  +   709d ago
Its a good way to convince previous owners of the 360 to buy a 720 but it does nothing for people who only own a PS3. Like myself for example but i can solve the PS4s issue with backwards compatability by keeping my PS3. And if my PS3 breaks down i can always pick one up dirt cheap so i dont have an issue at all.

But i do agree that i would prefer if the PS4 had BC without increasing the price of the console. But since the PS3 cell is so complex they cant just solve the issue through software emulation.


Ah yes fantastic games that i used to own on my 360 until Microsoft infected it with Kinect. But thankfully i got rid of my 360 in favor of a PS3 when that happened. Oh god i will never forget that stupid conference where they had the rainforest and a bunch of half naked people running around the conference hall forcing the guests to put on some really stupid looking ponchos that lit up later. And then the family in the sofa wow......
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stiggs  +   709d ago
@ MasterCornholio
"until Microsoft infected it with Kinect"

I don't understand the reasoning behind the "Kinect ruined the XBOX 360" rants. What does Kinect have to do with the games that Kyosuke_Sanada mentioned? How exactly did Kinect infect the XBOX experience?

As we all know, Kinect for the 360 is an optional accessory. It's not as if device mandatorily intrudes on your core gaming sessions. I can't recall a single gaming experience in which Kinect was an intrusion nor can I ever remember being inundated with TV ads for the device.

"Infected" is not even close to the correct term. Accented would be more appropriate.

If you don't like the Kinect device then don't buy it! I didn't...no other 360 owner that I know did either. Problem solved.
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hesido  +   708d ago
If Mark Cerny is to be believed (I do) they could have integrated the cell into PS4 for backwards compatibility, they can produce them as much as required. However, he mentioned there would be problems supplying material from other vendors. (Nvidia, Rambus, ?? )

Interesting, as developers, according to this post, can use the Xbox360 SOC for additional computing power for Xbox720. That would be a very clever use of the SOC.
AceofStaves  +   708d ago
I wouldn't say the b/c would give them an advantage over Sony. The PS3 had b/c at the start of this gen, and the sales stats certainly proved that many people weren't too interested in the feature.

What it will do is make the upgrade to the new console more appealing to those folks who already own a library of 360 games.
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etownone  +   709d ago

I'm back in board for MS....... If all this info pans out to be true.
Lone_Man  +   709d ago
nice DP...
The Meerkat  +   709d ago
If its a 720 + a 360 will we start calling it the 1080?
FlyGuyHung  +   708d ago
I quite like that. '10-80' rolls off the tongue better than '720', IMO.
Obamanationn  +   709d ago
what ever system can run my Dead Or Alive 5 BC, will get my money - unless 6 gets announced
Alos88  +   709d ago
Hopefully this is more in line with Microsoft's plans than the always-online nightmare that had previously been speculated.
Zichu  +   709d ago
If this is all true, I am pretty happy with it.
I just hope they focus on games.

At E3, I want everything to be confirmed, I want to see the console itself (if it's ready to be shown), I would like to see how much Kinect has improved, not for me, just for Kinect lovers and I want to see games, games, and more games.
Clarence  +   709d ago
Next gen just got interesting. I can't wait to see what happens at E3. I'm still pulling for Sony but I will buy a Durango if this article holds true.
Knight_Crawler  +   708d ago
Well said.

Also people are not seeing how this favors MS in a big way...if the Durango is 100% BC this means that MS can continue to support the 360 becuase Durango owners will still have access to 360 games which means that if a 360 only game releases the Durango only owners will also have the option on purchasing the game
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Mogwai  +   709d ago
I want the next to be always online damn it! Only so my decision is made easier of which system to buy, lol, seriously though i do hope these new rumours are the truth because it will be a win win situation for gamers and an exciting next generation with so much to choose from.
nevin1  +   709d ago
If 720 offers full BC, then MSoft will have a a big advantage.

The 360 has about a 70-80+ million install base. The majority of that intstall base will jump to 720.

I never had a 360 so I hope they dont make you pay for xbox live in order to use BC.
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isarai  +   709d ago
Would be nice if true, really don't want MS to fuck itself over with the other rumors, don't really like MS (not cause i'm a fanboy, but because of their business philosophy and how they treat people they work with) but the industry would be shit without their competition
Mithan  +   709d ago
360 SOC (if true) would add a lot of power to the system if totally accessible of course.
Belking  +   709d ago
This will make some happy and upset others who want the worst to be true.
JAMurida  +   709d ago
I can see why it could be BC, since the it's probably the same architect as the 360. As with the PS3, having a Cell and then going to x86 is a different story.

But as with any rumor, best to just wait for an announcement.
TheKayle1  +   709d ago

dont worry ms dont need money of who change his mind before an official show...

move engines
display planes
hdmi in
w8 store
100% bc

oi oi its coming


there was no one chance that ms would let sony win this gen man...no one chance...u know in the reality david have no chance to beat goliath...so dont worry

but if u seriously worried just buy both system and enjoy it

ill buy the most power system at start (likely the xbox) then after some years...the other one
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MRMagoo123  +   708d ago
hmmm is that full retard i sense im pretty sure you have been told never to go full retard before, oh and while you are at it change your avatar that is one hideous looking woman.

OT Funny how all the rumours here from a very noncredible source at to be believed but the others where fake and we should all wait till e3 to see huh.
edonus  +   709d ago
I was hoping they would add some of that tilt and axis control to the new xbox controller. I was really hoping they would put some of the tech they used for the steering wheel in to it.
I am not to upset with the AA and recharge kits, actually if it came with a recharge kit that would be the best, you could then go buy extra charge packs. But I already got a few sets of rechargeable batteries I rotate so like I said this wouldnt be to bad.
Full BC out the gate that would be nice I was already platting on one of those xbox minis if it was true. I got some games that I really love on the arcade I wish I could play them on other devices to.
stage88  +   709d ago
It's still not enough.
GetSnooked  +   708d ago
What, so you want an in-built cup-holder for an additional $10?
Majin-vegeta  +   709d ago
Lol this all a hoax and this is a duplicate.


Edit:lol @ the disagrees they mad xD.
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nrvalleytime  +   709d ago
Did you even read the whole thread? It's a rumor, and a single post by a Junior Member doesn't really disprove anything that's been said.

It's like you didn't even bother to read.
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