Hideo Kojima announced Metal Gear Solid 4 at a pre-E3 Sony event back in 2005. At the time, no gameplay was shown, but it was confirmed to be a PlayStation 3 exclusive.
AKA - "I've realised how much more money I can make for me and my company if I were to release games on both platforms"
Before the fanboys get all pissed at him, can you really blame the guy? He's just doing his job.
He can do his job as long as they increase budget for the other platform. Otherwise the game will suffer on both.
What do you mean increase the budget? The ps4 and next Xbox will be near identical, a simple port is all that is needed.
Did anyone read the article? Kojima san is talking about cloud gaming and the arthour is twisting his words, drawing these conclusions based of off mgs rising and phantom pain being multiplats.
@ JohnnyBadfinger - How do you know this? Nothing has been announced for Xbox. While the hardware is made by the same company, doesn't mean they interact the same. Which we already know they don't. Secondly, the OS are totally different. Easy of portability is unknown at this time.
As soon as Kojima went from head of KojiPro to a Konami exec his focus changed and gamers are the poorer for it. Platform exclusivity allows a developer to avail themselves of all of that system's features and push it to the limit rather than compromise for the sake of parity...and developers these days will compromise. They did not last gen but that is now ancient history. They are so afraid of offending one party. Sales rather than creativity is the rule of thumb and you Kojima are a lesser man for it and your work a shadow of what it might have been. Crow all you like about his art reaching more people but the moment money decides your direction it is no longer art. This is why MGS4 stands as a landmark achievement. One that Kojima will never reach again given his current mindset. You can try to be all things to all people but at the end of the day you will be nothing to no one. Every moment spent on multiplatfor is a moment that could have been spent pushing a single system to the wall.
@morganfell If exclusivity was about pushing platforms to the limit, he'd have gone PC-only. Exclusivity is about getting a bucketload of cash from the platform holder.
Kojima loves Sony, but he loves money more... Eventually, everyone breaks and gives into it. As long as his games still turn out very good then I won't have a problem with this.
Not true. Whose limit are we talking about here? All PCs are practically different. Developers have to make PC games to work on a wide range of specs. You cannot optimize games for PC anywhere near as well as for consoles. Sorry.
@NathanExplosion That wasn't the point. I was making a response to a claim that exclusivity was down to developers wanting to push the limit, and not the glaringly obvious marketing support and other kickbacks from the platform holder. If you really want to push the limits, you don't give a crap about "a wide range of specs", you don't give a crap about multiplatform. You just build the best thing possible, and hope you make money somehow. Crytek managed it in 2007, haven't managed it since.
His comments indicate that SONY and M$ will both of game streaming services. I mean, we already know GAKAI will be there on PS4 but so far, we haven't heard of such a thing for 720. I believe M$ will also have a GAKAI-like gaming service which leads me to wonder about the future of Nintendo. Really, we need all three companies making a decent profit. Competition only benefits us and our wallets :)
fanboy or not the truth is you can only get the whole story (metal gear solid 4 ) on a sony console. so if you did not own a ps3 you missed the story and missed out.
so MGS -V- no on wiiU?, because wiiU game-pad is no good and only a gimmick so Metal Gear Solid V would not be a FUNNER experience on wiiU rather than the other 2 ? (:
you also can't get the entire story without the NES a nintendo console (metal gear1, metal gear2).
#lopez, My version of mgs3 included mg1 and mg2. All you have to do is beat mgs3 and it unlocks those original games.
@Nathan That's a silly excuse and it doesn't even make sense. So what if there is a diversity of specs? A good developer will know how to manage hardware and still push a platform to the limits. If exclusivity= better creativity, then a PC is just a viable platform, especially over 7+ year old hardware. It just sounds like you guys can't stand to see this go outside of a Playstation platform All I see is people bitter that this is going multiplatform. We haven't even seen the scope of the game, and already people like morgan are knocking the game for lacking creativity? Sounds like you guys just have a problem with this not remaining a PS exclusive, I doubt people would be pushing this exclusivity/creativity argument so hard if it was Xbox exclusive, and apparently there's already an excuse for PC exclusivity. Then there's the "MGS=Playstation" argument which is just as silly.
One wouldn't be a fan if they got mad at him for this. His epic games, his preferences. But it is best to build a game around the best system especially as epic as the Metal Gear Solid series.
Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I liked kwyjibo's response better. I don't mind games being multiplatform. And if you read again, you'll notice that I never mentioned PlayStation or MGS and neither did Kojima lol.
I think Kojima sees that he can make MGS on more then one system with this new Fox Engine. Realistically, why not? Look at it this way, Kojima is not just some developer that jumps on any system to make more money. He made MGS4 exclusive because of the hardware, mainly because of the space Bluray could allow. Now I truly believe Kojima would make a MGS on more then one system IF IT COULD REALLY BE THE SAME ON ALL OF THEM! This is why Fox engine was made. To say otherwise is just silly. If he can pull it off...why not? As a die hard MGS fan, I only want to see it on one platform IF it was to be gimped if on another ie FFXIII and GTAIV gimped. I'm ok with his choice, have some of you SEEN FOX ENGINE?! Its pretty damn impressive, mind you MGS5 will be open world like MGS3, clearly the 360 is not gimping this game (he must have got them to do an install like what Rockstar most likely did for GTAV...I mean, I see no damn way that game is fitting on one disk LOL) Kojima deserves this, its time he gets his!
I find it hilarious that people get so upset, especially morganfell. What most of you still don't get is, people need to live and survive and for that, one needs *MONEY*. Over 99.9999999999% of the people care about money and the rest? They aren't here so deal with it! If you didn't care about money and only "art" you would have all paid several times over for Kojima's game so he can go make it exclusive and still be able to pay his employees. I bet you if Kojima raised his games $10 all you would be all over his case and b*tch and moan about how greedy he is. But who is greedy? The one wanting the cake and eat it too?
MGS is too big to be platform exclusive, so good news ;)
@lopez_josue Actually he NES games pretty much have nothing to do with Kojimas original games which both came out on the MSX2. If you want to know the full story, play those games and not the NES versions where the first one was a butchered port missing many things from the MSX original and the second NES game (Snakes revenge) having nothing to do with Kojima. Both MSX originals can be found on the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection (They are really great games so everyone should play them) Konami being a Japanese company will still design their games for the PS4 so don't worry everyone, the Xbox will get the port.
@morganfell Your comment is because you work for Sony. Your opinion is pointless in this thread to be honest. You claim a developer should stick to console exclusivity? I wonder if tomorrow Kojima said he was going to make his games exclusive to Nintendo only or Microsoft, WOULD YOU be saying the same thing as you are saying now... That was a rhetorical question as we already know the answer coming from you...
and with metal gear solid going multi, that is the end of AAA third party exclusives.... unless companies are willing to pay bucketloads. when mass effect went multi n4g exploded with orgasmic fanboys. now mgs is confirmed multi, the fanboys are not quite so pleased!
AKA "I am making a baffling use of common sense since more money is generally better than less money, not to mention that this will give me a broader audience and they'll get to see what I've spent so much time working on" Meanwhile, on the internet, some special little snowflakes are complaining because they won't be the only ones in the world who get to play MGS
Well can you tell me what is the point of having both Xbox and Playstation if they can't have exclusives to define themselves? At that point, you might as well go to PC then.
Can you tell me why it would be Kojima's responsibility to make exclusives for the playstation? If Sony or MS want exclusives for their consoles, it's their job to make that happen. They can't expect 3rd parties to make exclusives for certain consoles "just because". Console loyalty might be a really important thing to many teenage gamers, but it means nothing to grown men. And Kojima is a grown man. And to answer your question : There is no "point" in having both PS and Xbox. Why would there necessarily be a point? There are multiple consoles because different companies want to compete. That's all there is to it
Extremely well said in both posts
well said, thank you for shutting that root guy and the fanboys up, ps3 users are acting as if Kojima is owned by Sony or something they should just stick with their holy ND since they call them naughty god and teh best dev in tis industry -_-" @ morganfell if graphics your talking about, KojiPro made Fox Engine PC based it already look stunning, Kojima even said that the engine is easy to port between current and next gen consoles even a vita, also, game makers are all business, now your comment that you got a well said for it is a waste and stupid your whole comment was about a stupid console loyalty and graphics.. if your really a fan "which you're not" you should only care that this game is being made by Kojima and trust the man
true its only smart that 3rd party devs support all systems, but in the case of the Metal Gear Solid series i don't think it would matter if its on both take a look at Metal Gear Rising on PS3 its sitting at just under 900k on 360 its barely over 200k the game is basically dead on 360, and i have the crazy feeling that when the next MGS games release it wont sell much on microsoft system.
200k is deadd?
Wow, if 200k is dead then what does that mean for most games on the Vita? However, 200k is not great but then again MGR was not a system selling game by any stretch.
MGR is a great game. Get over your selfs with the sales. All i care is that i enjoyed a game like that and i want more of it. Why do you care about sales ?. Let Kojima worry about it and go buy the game and play it.. Besides, They already said that they are satisfied with the results of MGR and he even considering to creat another spin off himself..
@CommonSenseGamer "Wow, if 200k is dead then what does that mean for most games on the Vita?" You seriously comparing sales (and not to mention taking install base into account) of the 360 to PSVita?!? LMFAO!! Wow dude, just WOW. 360 install base = around 80 million. PSVita install base = around 5 million. 200,000 out of 80 million. 200,000 out of 5 million.
Considering that mgs games usually sell anywhere between 3-7million 200k is rather poor, funny seeing as you call yourself commonsensegame
Well, firstly, MGR is a spinoff title in a completely different genre from MGS. Games like Metal Gear Rising, DMC, Bayonetta, etc. generally sell much better on the PS3. Compound that with the fact that pretty much the entire Metal Gear fanbase owns a PS3, and you can see how those numbers came about. That said, look at the HD Collection. 500k sales on Xbox 360 shows that Xbox users do have some interest in the main series.
A lot has to be looked at with that. First This isn't really a main MGS game. Second, 360 fans don't really know much about MGS, really now. If your a die hard MGS fan...you own a PS3. Another thing to note is now that MGSR and the MGS collection are on 360, putting MGS5 on 360 at least makes some damn sense. Hey if its not gimped like GTAIV, I'm fine with it on 3 systems.
Well this was pretty much confirmed a long time ago when one of the big 3 said that 3rd party exclusives are a thing of the past. Makes you wonder if Alan Wake will be exclusive next gen.
If one system sells 20 million and others sell 1 million, there will be 3rd party exclusives. It's all about money either way.
If the architectures were really different again I'd agree with that. But this gen will have very similar tech. Ports will be easy so there will be no reason not to support all systems with comparable power.
I just want more info about Metal Gear Online 3. And a release date for MGS V.
Wow “It’s a tough question to answer. Obviously, I do like Sony, I respect them and I have a lot of things in common with their way of thinking. I think the future of gaming is with cloud technology and cloud gaming. I love Sony, I have a Sony camera, but I think if you’re going to enter the cloud generation then there will be a lot of different devices involved and a lot of different ways to interact with that game world. I don’t want to limit it to any one platform, but I’m not going to say I’m not going to participate in the events. This time [for the PlayStation Meeting], I kind of would have liked to participate, but I was here tending to Rising’s world tour.” Whatever. So Kojima you lost your love for Sony brand. :( This is a big blow for Sony. Looks like I should skip MGS 5 too. I bought FF13 and it was a big disappointment.
I hope you not only skip mgs 5, but permanently ban yourself from all future Kojima games.
@Blackbeld True FF13 was a big disappointment. @specialguest. There is no LOL. Downgrading AAA games to average games like FF13.
FF13 was bound to be a disappointment regardless of it going multiplatform. The core gameplay and direction would have still been the same, because it was already written, planned, and directed that way. Don't kid yourself, this is the new Square Enix. There's too many of you fake fans out there. The moment a once exclusive or semi-exclusive(MGS was never truly exclusive) developer goes multiplatform, suddenly you vow to never buy their game.
I'd only be p***** at the multiplatform release IF I find out AFTER they are both released that Kojima could of done more with the PS4 if he'd kept it an exclusive. Thats the only reason I would be mad because I feel like Kojima could do a better job when he focuses on what platform..
>I bought one exclusive-gone-multiplat and got burned >now I'm going to not buy another one because of it Just wait til there's gameplay or rent it first. Problem solved.
@specialguest Really Kojima is loosing grip. Also MGS 5 voice actor David Hayter is not in the game as Solid Snake. The Metal Gear series will following FF13 route.
1st - You are NOT a MGS fan. If you were you wouldn't give 2 shits if its going multiplatform or not. 2nd - specialguest is absolutely right. FF13 would have been shit regardless if it was exclusive or not. There are much better FF games on much worse hardware than the 360. The only downgrade that has happened in FF as franchise is the quality of the development team that is making it. 3rd - SHORYUKEN So MGS quality has everything to do with a voice actor and nothing to do with the development team?
Xbox fans don't buy MGS games. MG Rising on the 360 did not sell well.
MG Rising is not an MGS game - see the lacking S? Also, it's a spinoff made by another studio going off track, and then salvaged by a third studio just so the game could be released. It didn't have a marketing push even close to MGS4, it's over shadowed by another MGS game which was already announced, critically it was poorly received, it's in completely different genre (H&S, where it's basically competing with DMC which was released in the same timeframe), unlike MGS4 it has no online component, it has a convoluted plot that doesn't make sense for people new to the series, and the demo was mediocre. Even on the PS3 it sold a fraction of what MGS did. Seriously, what did you expect?
@Blasphemy Speak for yourself! I have both PS3 and 360 and I own the MGS HD collection on both systems! So saying something like that is just plain stupid and ignorant!
for me exclusivity makes me curious about the game. A game is exclusive because it's special in some way, add to that the fact that an exclusive game to one platform is much more optimized technically than the same multplatform game. And if you read the article smart guy, you'd realize he's talking about cloud gaming with interactions with different platforms like phones tablets PC... on top of that a combo PS4/Vita could also benefit from a common project using Gaikai tech
ReadDead,Bioshock,Bioshock infinite,Farcry3,GTA. what was that about exclusives being better than third party? an amazing game is an amazing game whether it is exclusive or not
Thats uh... how you get by in the industry... nothing wrong with that statement if he had said it... :/
Also more money for him means more games from him for us. If he is a quality video game producer it will not matter what platform it is on. So the only people that have a problem is people who still care about exclusivity which is a selling point for gamers who buy and play consoles. If he releases Zone of Enders 3 are you really not going to play it because it is also on Xbox if it still looks and plays great? Let Kojima release some a few multiplats before you bash him. More money will be a test of character.
DICE has done that amazingly well with PC being the lead platform for Battlefield 3. It performs very across most mid to high level video cards and it has near perfect SLI and Crossfire scaling with performance doubling with two cards. You rarely see that with most games.
oh another example to make the PS extremists to poop their diapers. gaming is about money nowadays. our great bastion is on 7-11 cups and talked about on network tv. mainstream destroys everything. and Mr. Kojima is just another kog in that machine that spits out $. best part is, the PS extremists think loyalty exists. you fools.
AKA-AKA.... I know how much more third party games sell on the Xbox, and I/we want some of that cash! But wait, the Xbox has no games. Weird someone would want to go multiplat. Not.
How did it take him that long....it's literally like a 1/2 second thought process via deductive reasoning. It's not hard/ difficult.
AKA - "I got a heart and want all gamers to experience my awesome games."
he has money and I'm sure a bit more won't hurt but I think what he's more concerned with now is his legacy at this stage in his life.
This will hurt Sony fanboys the most to see there precious snake character in other platform.