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Submitted by Nostradavis 535d ago | news

Xbox Live outage knocks gamers offline, renders Netflix and other apps useless

Xbox Live is currently experiencing a significant service disruption, with many users reporting problems when trying to sign in to Microsoft's online gaming platform. The outage — which inconveniently comes during peak weekend gaming hours — has subsequently rendered a large part of the console's functionality useless for the time being. (Xbox 360, Xbox LIVE)

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Nostradavis  +   535d ago
The service was hacked in March so this is not so hard to believe. Always-Online? No thank you.
FACTUAL evidence  +   535d ago
I know we've heard a lot of this "always online" crap, but cmon guys; you really think that MS is going to do an always online thing to play games and what not? I think this false rumor is going overboard. MS is loving the attention it's bringing them though. It's going to be real funny to see that the always online thing won't be true. Can't wait for e3.
Blackdeath_663  +   535d ago | Well said
"MS is loving the attention it's bringing them though. " why would they love negative attention? besides the HDMI in port and the tv services makes it more likely these rumours are true lets not forget the whole adam orth defending always-on is a sign that they may be considering it. anyways its better the rumour goes way overboard and people make a fuss so that ms doesn't do it rather than people be silent then make a fuss after it has already been done. every gamer hopes they are not true but seeing how xbox is turning into some sort of TV- BOX in direct competition with google and apple tv provides absolutely nothing to the core gamer nor does kinect which is also seeing a strong comeback. i'll be honest not promising from the MS camp at the moment
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WrAiTh Sp3cTr3  +   535d ago
Live was hacked? Must've happened when I was taking a nap. *shrugs*
RyuCloudStrife   535d ago | Trolling | show
FlameHawk  +   535d ago
@ The_Science_Guy
I hope you do know that account is not actually Kaz Hirais....
Parapraxis  +   535d ago | Well said
"MS is loving the attention it's bringing them "
The delusion is strong with this one.

Not the first person on N4G who is trying to spin recent speculation into a positive, and seeing them try is HI-LAR-I-OUS!
MS' silence is hurting them, bad press is bad press, period. #DEALWITHIT
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elmaton98  +   535d ago
Nothing is not hackable, lok at ps3, it wasnt supposed to be hack but it happened and the day will come when live will be hack and then ill tell you how funny it is (to those asshole that think everything is secure)
/s
SHORYUKEN  +   535d ago
Xbox live should be for free.

Lol now Xbox fanboys are screwt.
WUTCHUGUNNADO  +   535d ago
Blackdeath... any kind of attention is always better than no attention. Their letting the rumors swell for now and they'll most likely put it to rest when they actually announce what the console is really about.
JimmyDanger  +   535d ago
MS are loving the attention of these rumors because they're mostly ALL BS.

All they have to for their announcement is confirm that used games won't be blocked and that no single player games are required to be "always online" - as current rumours (from vgleaks, the same place that leaked the documents that people spun this "always online required to play single player games" - which no one seems to note wasn't actually stated in the docs, but rather extrapolated/read between the lines/made up from) state. That the internet echo chamber blew up into some "confirmation".

Its funny how this site among others, is still focusing on weeks old beat up rumours and not addressing the new ones ( http://www.vgleaks.com/micr... - but I can't say I'm surprised.
Winter47th   535d ago | Trolling | show
Rhythmattic  +   535d ago
I'm not particularly a MS fan, but I have to agree with jimmy danger.

Everything about "always online " for gaming is pure speculation.....

always online for media delivery?
Thats a totally different kettle of fish......
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amiga-man  +   535d ago
XBL can't be hacked xbox owners pay an online subscription to keep it safe lol.
badkolo  +   535d ago
its obvious that the system will not be always on in the way people are fearing it, to think ms doesnt know things happen and things go down is absurd. There is no such thing as bad publicity and all this has garneshed ms more attention and they havent had to do much, they just ;et the rumors go wild and are stealing the spotlight a little from sony. To the haters its negative for ms, to rational people like us, we realize that that its just a rumor and when the reveal happens the thoughts will change when its revealed to be different that what all the rumors have been. Its just like when we gets pics of a system mock up and people claim its real and hate on it, then the syste,m is revealed and it doesnt look anything like it.
extermin8or  +   535d ago
yes I do think they'd make it always online...
Lvl_up_gamer  +   535d ago
I had an issue with sending a txt msg saying "gg" to a guy who beat me in MLB2K13 that went to extra innings, but XBL wasn't down.

I then put NHL13 in and played online in a drop in game and there were no issues.

This article is just speculation and all the Sony Fanboys are jumping on it like it's truth.

XBL has NEVER been hacked.

Deal with it.
ZombieNinjaPanda  +   535d ago
@Parapraxis

Have you ever heard the phrase "all press is good press" ? As long as someone is talking about you and spreading your name, it's good press. Why do you think idiot rappers talk about all this "hataz make me who ah am".

So you're wrong.
EVILDEAD360  +   534d ago
/Not the first person on N4G who is trying to spin recent speculation into a positive, and seeing them try is HI-LAR-I-OUS!
MS' silence is hurting them, bad press is bad press, period. #DEALWITHIT'

LMAO. So wait Xbox Live going to for a couple of hours is going to hurt the 360?? It didn't. By the time most people heard about it was back online. Including me.

The best part of every major rumor is that it's been completely debunked by the exact same sources who are now eating crow.

The difference is N4G.com blocked every single submission of the postitive articles. (12 in all) from making it to the front page.

MS doesnt need to say a thing. The 720 is in a perfect position to be an even bigger success than the 360 ever was.

The 360 saw 7 years of negative stories from these kinds of sites, but when the hardware and the games made it to the stores, the success spoke for itself.

Evil
kneon  +   534d ago
@ZombieNinjaPanda

All press is not good press, that's just a stupid saying.

When you start hearing repeated negative news about a person or company your perception towards them becomes more negative, even though you may not notice it. And it doesn't magically change if the news turns out to be false.

That's why you see so much negative election campaign ads, it doesn't matter if they are blatant lies and need to be retracted later, the damage is done already.
ikkokucrisis  +   534d ago
Guess they have to

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Deal with it
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Abash  +   535d ago
Exactly. Look at how much of a problem it is now just not being able to access the online portions of games and online services, imagine on the next Xbox when you cant even play a game you own in a similar situation to this
gamersday08  +   535d ago
M$ only expect the customers to be always online. Never did they claim that they need to be always on-line. What a bunch of selfish corporate hypocrites!...haha. Only fools will subscribe to M$'s always online BS!

Imagine you're playing SP campaign for 12hrs straight and your internet connection just got problem for 3 mins and there you go. You'll need to repeat all over again and you're not even touching the online portion!!

What about you're playing Street Fighter online and the internet connection got disconnected - for now, you can still play the game although not online but what'll happen in the case of NextBox? I'll be fuming mad if it just shuts down and not allowing me to continue playing offline.

Btw, I work in IT support and Windows servers need to be shutdown once a while for maintenance, etc.... This is applies for even the most advance M$ server OS like Windows 2008 R2 with the latest SPs.

Not a chance I'll be going for the "always online" BS!
miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   535d ago
Service was hacked in March? Linksys please! I only know of one network that got hacked. And that was PSN. Unless you're talking about people getting phished. That's far different from a network getting hacked, and can't play games for days.

Ya'll remember the day the PSN stood still.

Damn that COD and it's double xp. You know, the third party games that are played more online than on psn. Sometimes I guess it's going to happen.
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KrisButtar  +   535d ago
yes they were hacked in March, links below

http://www.engadget.com/201...

http://venturebeat.com/2013...

http://www.theverge.com/201...

Edit: @ below an account is part of the service, is it not? because without the account you don't have the service. hacked is hacked whether it be a part of the service(accounts) or the whole service(XBL)
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Mustang300C2012  +   535d ago
That was ACCOUNTS hacked not the actual service itself. That means individuals responsible for their own password setup. I love how people don't know the difference between an account getting hacked vs the actual service.
HK6  +   535d ago
@KrisButtar
You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? Those accounts were accessed by hackers through hacking other sites. NOBODY hacked Xbox Live to gain access to those accounts.
adorie  +   535d ago
Everybody gets hacked.
http://i592.photobucket.com...
jimbobwahey  +   535d ago
I remember the month Xbox Live stood still and the service was completely down and unusable for everybody. All Microsoft did to make up for a month of downtime on a paid service was give away a crappy XBLA submarine game months later. Of course, if you're an Xbox fanboy it's quite convenient to forget the crippling downtime XBL users have had to put up with.

The PSN has a much larger userbase than XBL as well, by the way.
GetSnooked  +   535d ago
"an account is part of the service, is it not? because without the account you don't have the service."

Boy oh boy, looks like we have some broken logic here... I shall explain this step by step so you can understand how your logic is flawed.

Lets say I have a computer that has been hacked. Now my computer is a part of the internet. Does this mean the internet has just been hacked?
Just for safe measures lets take this a bit further, the internet is a part of the big "technology", does this mean that all-technology got hacked?

If it still isn't kicking in, lets try another anology.

Lets say someone stole $5 off you. Because you are a part of your great-great-great grandparents, does that mean that your great-great-great grandparents were just robbed? Then, if you take the theory that everyone is related to everyone from extremely far up the family tree, does that mean the robber just robbed himself? No.

In the first case, the computer is the subset of the internet, which further is the subset of technology. If my computer was hacked that doesn't mean all-technology was hacked.

In the second case you are a subset of your parents and so on. If you were robbed, you were robbed, not your great grandparents.

So in this case, if your e-mail that is associated with you gamertag was hacked. That doesn't mean that Xbox-Live was hacked, because it never said that "Xbox-Live ***service***" has been hacked.

To the above:

" Of course, if you're an Xbox fanboy it's quite convenient to forget the crippling downtime XBL users have had to put up with. "

Firstly the "forget the crippling" should be "forget that crippling" as it was only once.

Secondly, same goes for PS3 fanboys, it's quite convenient to forget the crippling downtime PSN users had to put up with, as well as possible breaches in credentials.

"The PSN has a much larger userbase than XBL as well, by the way."

So that makes the PSN hack worse then doesn't it? 20 people being unable to access internet is worse than 15 people being unable to access it.
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DarthJay  +   535d ago
@jimbobwahey LOL!!! Yeah, it has a bigger "user base" because the accounts are free. I barely even use my PS3 and I have three accounts, and I know some people that have way more, and I know people that have a PS3 and have never played a single game on it ever and they have an account.

Come on now.
UnholyLight  +   535d ago
@jimbobwahey

Stop spreading your propaganda that's not even true. I've had Xbox Live since February 2006 and there has only been two times I have been without Xbox Live for an extended period of time...48 hours to be exact. Once cus I got a 48hour ban for having a sexual inuendo motto on my profile, and the other occasion was the 48hour downtime in the summer of 08 I believe where they were doing scheduled maintainance.

Please do tell where you came up with this "month of downtime" which has never happened, but did on PSN (25 days).

Get out of here you troll. Nothing worse than trying to misinform people!

**EDIT:

Only article I found when google searching xbox live down for month. and here it is

http://www.gamespot.com/new...

I remember when this happened, and as the article says, it was on and off due to server overload at the time. My location tends not to get kicked off Xbox Live for long at all (Seems to be that way for most Western Canada/West US players)
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xxLuckyStrike  +   535d ago
If they are/were/have been hacked, it sure as hell won't last over a month like PSN. This could actually be a good thing with the supposed bogus always online rumor for games which is idiotic to assume. It's obviously for sleep mode updates tv and cable functionality. Lol at Sony fanboy defense force continued interest in an unannounce console. Most of them have zero intent on buying 720 even if it was sent from god. Another way to tell is by how hard they troll all MS news because they don't know shit about 720
nukeitall  +   535d ago
@Mustang300C2012:

Don't bother with these people, they are just trying to twist things with an agenda.

It's like saying an account was illegally accessed at a bank, yes a bank and suddenly the bank got hacked! You know how many accounts PSN looses as well?

Point being, the rest of the world other than the slanted n4g.com community will continue ignoring this stupiditiy.
Kenshin_BATT0USAI  +   534d ago
@GetSnooked

""Lets say someone stole $5 off you. Because you are a part of your great-great-great grandparents, does that mean that your great-great-great grandparents were just robbed? Then, if you take the theory that everyone is related to everyone from extremely far up the family tree, does that mean the robber just robbed himself? No. ""

This was by far the worst fucking analogy ever. LOL
dmeador  +   534d ago
I believe a better analgy would be someone stealing your keys, then you blaming Chevy for your car getting stolen
Persistantthug  +   534d ago
Actually, XBOX LIVE was down for 2 - 4 weeks during the 2007 holidays.
I remember some guys at my job were kinda pissed about it back then.

It was a while ago now.

http://www.engadget.com/200...
HSx9  +   534d ago
@KrisButtar

No offense but accounts get hacked all the time. It could be from a large phish attack, to social engineering their account into their hands.

This doesn;t necessarily mean the actual service was hacked.

I checked out your links and they even support my claim.
nukeitall  +   534d ago
@Persistantthug:

Why are you out misleading people about Xbox Live again?

"Actually, XBOX LIVE was down for 2 - 4 weeks during the 2007 holidays."

BS. Let me clear it up:

a) It had too many people online and had trouble keeping up with the influx i.e. it was overloaded not hacked.
b) The service was still accessible for some and not for others.
c) No information was lost
d) It only lasted during the holidays, not as long as you claim it.
e) A compensation was provided.
Persistantthug  +   534d ago
@nukeitall......I never said XBOX LIVE was hacked......I said XBOX LIVE went down.
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ijust2good  +   535d ago
Just in. Adam Orth has hacked XBOX live...

no wonder he wanted "always on" in nextbox. He can spy and rob from your account.
GamerzElite  +   535d ago
Ha ha ha
omi25p  +   535d ago
Live wasnt hacked in March and it wasnt Hacked.

After what happened to Sony and there failure to tell consumers about stolen bank account details, Do you really think ANY company would risk not telling people.

Also I've been online all night and have been knocked off once.
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raytraceme  +   535d ago
Stolen bank accounts??? Can you even add your bank account info on pan? Please stop speaking out of where the sun don't shine.
DavidBanner  +   535d ago
Anonymous Hacking Group takes Responsibility for Xbox Live downtime
mac_sparrow  +   535d ago
I am still to this day using the same bank account that I linked to psn on day one. Never has one penny left my account without authorisation.

Mind you, I work hard to be rational and not blindly HOLY HELL WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!
UnholyLight  +   534d ago
Yeaaaahh...about that DavidBanner

http://n4g.com/news/1232417...

Seriously, my bet is that Xbox Live is having issues because of server overload which can happen from time to time across any platform. It doesn't bother me if Xbox Live goes down for a day or two. It's something that is bound to happen as no service can possibly be 100% resilient 100% of the time. Not to mention that sometimes it's only certain areas as I have been saying before..My area (Western Canada) for me anyways has historically not been hit as bad with downtime problems as opposed to some other players.

As for Xbox Liver being hacked, most things that happen on Xbox Live are phishing scams where people accidentally fall for putting their email and password into a website to get free microsoft points. There's no way Xbox Live has been hacked and if it were I'd be incredibly surprised as it seems near impossible.

Not to start a flame war with Sony fans with this statement but, I'll take the occassional hiccup and rare scheduled maintenance times over a network that in generally recent times has been really unpredictable (Playstation Network). Last time something happened to PSN when I was with my buddy (who's a diehard Playstation guy) he was saying that it had already been down for a couple days.

I just hope that Playstation and Microsoft can both offer even better services come Next Gen as I am DEFINITELY very interested in what the PS4 has to offer as well as hopefully the Xbox but we will see what Microsoft unveils! I was a Microsoft fan this gen, but anything goes come next gen.
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TheTwelve  +   535d ago
The new spin is that Microsoft loves this negative attention.
Parapraxis  +   535d ago
Yup, it's all part of their "master plan"! lmmfao
#dealingwithit
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ZombieNinjaPanda  +   535d ago
"Spin"

How is that spin though? Companies love attention, period. What's worse: Someone talking crap about you but getting your name out, or no one even knowing who are you?
Good_Guy_Jamal  +   535d ago
Least I'm able to log on and play online, the only reason I pay for the service.
xxLuckyStrike  +   535d ago
Yep and watch the spin when Sony starts charging there asses for online services this upcoming gen.lol Boom!! Outta Here!!!
ALLWRONG  +   535d ago
lol the desperate always come out when Live goes down for an hour. Ring me when it gets hacked for a month.
Karpetburnz  +   535d ago
The hackers diddnt shut down PSN. Sony shut it down to prevent further Damage.

And no money was taken, It only effected us for a few weeks ,and its never happened again. To be honest the only people that still care about the PSN hack are Xbox fanboys.
dmeador  +   534d ago
@Karpetburnz

Hackers were indirectly responsible, and it was more than a few weeks. Also I'm glad you can be honest for millions of other people. Having my sensitive information available to someone isn't something I've forgotten about.
ShinMaster  +   534d ago
At least we don't have to pay.

http://www.engadget.com/200...
1nsaint  +   535d ago
By now all this news and rumors about microsoft is starting to look like an anti xbox campaign :P
ps3_pwns  +   535d ago
dont know why you guys wont to be on the opposite side of anonymous. obviously the ps4 is the choice to get and the safe one as well. why you xbox fanboys dont want the ps4? you want to get hacked by anonymous on the x720?
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xxxxx01  +   534d ago
Lol this site is too funny

http://www.gameinformer.com...
adorie  +   534d ago
Routine Maintenance? Wouldn't they have said that from the start? They were fairly quiet on the issue, no?
hazardman  +   534d ago
Dude the article is garbage. Seeing as your contributing news, you should know that much of the always on line feature was more towards xbox mini.

Where is the actual gaming news, everytime I come on its all about always online xbox 720.......can we get a break already.
adorie  +   534d ago
Blame the bloggers and the people approving the redundant tripe. News on N4G is getting slow.
Gamer1982  +   534d ago
main issue with always online is servers need to go down every now and then for stability reasons. You flush the crap from the server and reboot. This is usually referred to as maintenance. Sony, MS, Origin and even steam do it now and then. So just imagine being told you cannot play your console until servers are back up??
dcortz2027  +   534d ago
LOL and there were dozens of Xbox fans that were claiming that Xbox Live wasn't down and that they were online without a problem. Xbox live got hacked, #dealwithit!!
Commandar_Shepard  +   535d ago
It's fitting that the XBL servers went down amidst all the chaos around the Always Online rumors. Hopefully this will help MS learn that always online is not the way to go.

If not, they'll have to hear about it Christmas 2013 when millions of people can't use their consoles and demand refunds due to the overwhelming amounts of people logging in at once.
sharkboy421  +   535d ago
Well that really, really sucks. Live always seemed like some invulnerable fortress but alas, the real world has shown up once again.
Gamer1982  +   534d ago
It never was only 360 fanboys made it out like it was. Although it had more backup servers than most it was still as vulnerable as the rest.
PygmelionHunter  +   534d ago
Yeah remember all the crap they gave us after the PSN servers went down for like a month? Even said that their Gold subscription was justified just because of that...
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penguinhunter  +   535d ago
I know that I'm in the minority here, but if Microsoft wants to have an always on system, and that some how makes the user experience better, then let them. We aren't obligated to buy the new Xbox, nor are we entitled to what MS decides to do.

You deal with it by purchasing a PlayStation instead.
rainslacker  +   535d ago
Perhaps you can explain to the majority how you think not being able to play your games if your net or their servers go down improves the user experience. Seems like during those times it would completely cut out the user experience...unless you consider frustration a positive user experience.

I agree with the rest of your statement though.
Braid  +   535d ago
I'll just play the devil's advocate here, but I just don't understand why getting disconnected from the device for a limited period of time is a deal-breaking issue. I mean, in no way I think it's a good idea but it's not as "terrible" as some people make it out to be. It's not a good idea because if you don't have internet access, you don't have your gaming console either. But if you have a network at home and you're always online anyway, like most of gamers are, why is it such a big issue?

If your internet connection goes unstable and you can't access your games, you turn off your console and go on with your everyday life. People are acting like it's a matter of life and death, as if they can not survive a single moment without having access to a video game machine. I mean, come on now. You can read a book, go see a movie with friends, and do your daily things. Life does not actually stop itself when you have problems connecting to your Xbox, as long as you have a life alongside your gaming "hobby," which undoubtedly we all do, you should be just fine. Eventually you'll solve your internet problem or the Live servers will be repaired and you'll be back as soon as possible. People nowadays seem to have no tolerance for anything at all.

Again, I'm not supporting the notion of requiring online connection to play games and I actually don't think they'll take that route with the new Xbox but people are just overreacting to the rumours for the sake of bashing the company the console of which they don't own or they don't like very much.

And the funny part is that once they announce at E3 that they have never planned on a console requiring always online connection, they'll be declared heroes of gaming industry.
Kenshin_BATT0USAI  +   534d ago
@Braid

I can see your issue of 'having a life' but I think you're missing the argument here.

The issue pertains to people who have a life, the ones where in tht rare moment are like 'hey I got time, why not play a game for a change." Only to be told they can't because their connection is unstable.

The issue also applies to those without a connection/a really shitty unstable one at all times. They won't even be able to play a game because they can't afford it or live in an area where there are simply no good connections?

Seems unfair to punish those people due to circumstance.

The lack of tolerance part is fair though. If you pay for something, you expect to be given the service regardless of circumstance. So yeah if whomever you paid is unable to provide the service they need to make up for it, or give the money back, simple economics. It's not about tolerance, but rather what's moral.
rainslacker  +   534d ago
@Braid

First I'd like to say thanks for at least addressing this in the context of the problem with always on is when it's not optional or when it locks down your system.

That being said, you haven't actually addressed my comment. That is, how does an always on console actually improve the user experience? If the only way the user experience can be better is that when it works, your games work, then the actual idea is just self-fulfilling. There was no need for it in the first place.

I won't say that having a connected game can't have a better user experience, as some developers may be able to find creative ways to utilize this, but to cut out an entire system and game because of something outside the users control is just wrong. It's adding a layer of control onto the consumer which is just frustrating.

All that being said, your argument reminds me of a time when cable TV was not terribly reliable. During a heavy rain storm, the cable often went out, and in those cases, people had to find something else to do.

There will always be things beyond our control. People realize this. In fact this is what is wrong with an always on structure...there are just too many things outside the users control.

Any game machine that becomes unusable fully on an outage, or a server crash, or whatever, would mean that people would deal with it in some way. There's nothing they can do, because again they have no control. It doesn't improve the user experience though, any more than the Cable going out improved peoples experience when watching their TV programs.

When it comes to a consumer product, it shouldn't be about just making the best of a bad situation. There have been many scenarios listed by people, some extreme and some perfectly reasonable, that show why always on a bad idea(I won't re-list them, but I'm sure everyone has seen them). As such the product itself should be made with the consumer in mind.

Now...all of that being said, the difference between this and the cable TV outage analogy, is that today there is much more choice in the market. Back in the day you really either had cable TV with quite a few channels, low quality antennas with a few channels, big expensive antennas that were ugly and not much better than rabbit ears but you got more channels, or a big ass satellite dish(which would still go out in the rain). Cable was about the only thing worth getting for most people if they wanted a lot of channels at good quality. Nowadays competition has forced the cable company to be better and there are many choices when it comes to TV content.

The same is true for a game console. If people can't have a great reliable experience on their console due to factors outside their control, then there is no reason to assume that they won't just go to where they can. There is no reason for them to deal with it, or just find something else to do.

Like you though, I also doubt that MS will go this route. I know MS makes mistakes sometimes, but they have to know that the market isn't ready for such a thing. However, I don't really think they're going to come out looking like hero's just announcing that they don't have a feature that no one else has either. I guess if they try then as a Sony fan myself I can say they copied Sony on that lack of a feature.:) j/k
jmc8888  +   535d ago
There's that #1 misused word 'entitled'.

You are using it wrong.

MS is supposed to do what makes their customers want to buy their product more. Not alienate them.

Why do you think so many companies place an emphasis on customer service. Because if you have a bad experience and they don't make it right, usually that person goes to a competitor. Had a bad experience at McDonalds? Well then you stop going there, at least for a while, and spend your money elsewhere. So unless M$ wants people to go Sony, Nintendo, or PC then they should understand what its customers want and more importantly what they don't want.

So how does 'always online' give the user a better experience?

It doesn't. It can't. Ever. Period. End of story. It's an absolute truth.

Now you may retort, well what if I want a game preloaded as I sleep?

Well then you can purposefully connect to the service and have it do that. But if you decide not to, you can still play your other games. No need to worry about someone else's network.

So what part of this or ANY OTHER EXAMPLE is is 'necessary' to have the system 'always online'?

Hint: It doesn't. It never will either.

Because you can always connect and enjoy the same features that 'always online' would enjoy.

I mean seriously, this is forrest gump type easy to understand.

Are people really this far gone into mental sloth land? Because I've read so many comments where people can't even bother to think for a second that there is absolutely no user for an 'always online' service that can't be done by a user voluntarily connecting when they want to partake of whatever benefits something online can give them.
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ps3_pwns  +   535d ago
nope as gamers and human beings we have to nip this in the butt right now. no letting it get to the masses who dont know any better or dont relise it untill its to late. this drm always online is hitler level. if only they stopped hitler earlier like we can stop ms now.
ThatCanadianGuy514   535d ago | Trolling | show
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matrixman92  +   535d ago
ive been on since this morning...but of course nobody else here would know that, because nobody here even owns an xbox. Bring on the dislikes
StreetsofRage  +   535d ago
It's not a worldwide issue. I couldn't get online earlier in the day but I'm able to connect now. These issues are normally corrected pretty quickly.

These sony guys are funny people. They go nuts over Live being down for just a few hours but didn't mind that psn was down for a whole month. Got to love sony fanboys. Soon after you would get a sony blog with an article, "Why PSN being down is a good thing" lol!!!
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Snookies12  +   535d ago
No, I think the only reason the Sony fans went "nuts" as you put it, over Live being down was because of all the stuff said about the PSN when it got hacked. I saw quite a few people who preferred Live laughing or mocking people who had a PS3 during that time. Which is not cool to do, we're all gamers here no matter what system you choose. Bottom line, it doesn't matter how well you protect your service, whether you pay or not, whether you choose Live or PSN, the service can always go down. Nothing is as secure as you think it is, especially servers and anything connected online. There will always be people who can get around these things if they want to.
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scott182  +   535d ago
I'll tell you why PSN being down was a good thing for me.... Because for that month I was able to get off my butt and go outside for a change lol. Plus, after the service came back up they gave everyone so many quality free games and extras, it more than made up for a free service being down.
Gaming_Guru  +   535d ago
So you are telling everyone that they do not have an xbox 360 in this article thread because you were online all morning since no one here can vouch, is this to be the most hated prejudice commenter in the article thread or something?

On top of that, in order for someone here to know that, they would have to be your friend on xbox live, and you don't even list your gamer tag in your profile. You appear to be an instigator to me at least.
Game4life  +   535d ago
i can vouch and say i couldnt get into my zccount earlier it took me like 3 hours. Stupid stuff man.st wanted to build with friends in minecraft but no..... :(

also in response to the always online stuff above,

I think it really needs to be
gaming first and foremost
online functionality secvond (multimedia features and whatnot)

im just tired of the always online stuff but i know the future is inevinitible but thats ways off
darkride66  +   535d ago
According to Microsoft, it looks like they've had problems for a couple of days. The notice about XBL marketplace having issues is at least 2 days old. I see people flooding Twitter worldwide having XBL problems.

I hope everyone is back up and gaming soon!

In the meantime, here's the MS status site. This is for US, but I imagine it won't be hard to find your individual regions from here.

http://support.xbox.com/en-...
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Corpser  +   534d ago
But xbl down is a good thing because we can spend time outside now right? That's what ps fanboys were saying that whole month.
Belking  +   535d ago
Lol at n4g.... Staying classy as usual. XbL wasn't hacked. There were just sign in problems but mine is working now. It was down for a bit but nothing on the level of psn. Live is still the most reliable service. Pricey but better overall.
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Godmars290  +   535d ago
"It was down for a bit but nothing on the level of psn."

How about the XBL Christmas outing from a few years ago? From when MS had a price cut and increased sale but didn't have enough servers to cover extra traffic?

More than likely that's going to happen with always online. Everything online has had that issue.
Jek_Porkins  +   535d ago
Good thing always online is just a rumor and not fact huh? I mean there is also the new rumor that it isn't always online.
http://www.nbcnews.com/tech...

A few years ago, which was actually almost 5 years ago now, Xbox Live had some spotty outages, but I never had issues connecting or playing, in 8 years I've never not been able to connect. I cant say the same thing about PSN, which seems to be down every week for one reason or another.

So you basically choose to believe one rumor over the other and run with it.
Godmars290  +   535d ago
@Jek_Porkins
At the very least the one thing all this always online uproar should do is make the industry - the entire industry, not just MS - reconsider implementing it.

While EA certainly messed up with Simcity and Blizzard with Daiblo 3, now people are trying to head off the mistake of it before it happens with the Nextbox.

If like those other instances however people buy the system despite all this complaining, then we all get what we deserve.
GetSnooked  +   535d ago
Well said Jek_Porkins:

"So you basically choose to believe one rumor over the other and run with it."

When one has full belief in one rumour while not even considering another, it is EXTREMELY clear that you're biased to one side.

A non-biased person would take ALL the rumours and figure out which are realistic and which aren't. Whereas here in N4G, all anti-Microsoft rumours are automatically considered facts without question, while anti-Sony rumours are considered a "slow day for news" or some garbage.
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Kenshin_BATT0USAI  +   534d ago
A non-bias person would ignore the rumours and wait for an official announcement...just saying. But hey, if you wanna play the speculation game, but all means be a sheep like everyone else. LOL
barb_wire  +   535d ago
Down for a bit?! - it's still down for me, I haven't been able to log into XBL since yesterday morning and it's still out.
DarkZane  +   535d ago
Xbox Live is not the most reliable service, it's the same as PSN, the only difference is that people actually pay for it.

Whoever hacked PSN and took it down for a month could easily do the same with Xbox Live. Sony pissed the wrong people back then, Microsoft so far haven't (although this always-on business could have that effect).
xPhearR3dx  +   535d ago
XBL not reliable? Please. I've had my 360 for 6 years and I can't even count on one hand how many times XBL has been down for an extensive period of time. Everything connected to the internet eventually has problems, it's technology, it happens. However, XBL is pretty damn reliable and it should be considering people pay for it. PSN is a different story. It's free, so when there's maintenance (Which is fairly often) people can't really complain because it's a free service.
M-M  +   535d ago
"Pricey but better overall."

Lmao.
xxLuckyStrike  +   535d ago
Worse case its A whopping $5 a month @ $60 a year (that's 12 months). However, there are always online deals for less. Lol cheap ass Sony trolls
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M-M  +   535d ago
@xxLuckyStrike

Nothing beats free =).
tachy0n  +   534d ago
it was hacked.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

thanks anonymous for helping us on teaching M$ to listen to their customers :D
T2  +   535d ago
First world problems lol ... Also why dont you have a ps3 at least for backup ?
DarthJay  +   535d ago
Haha right? Real gamers have both.
Zhipp  +   535d ago
Or just play single player.
WalterWJR   535d ago | Trolling | show
fsfsxii   535d ago | Trolling | show
bub16  +   535d ago
so buying a PS4 #DEALWITHIT
Jek_Porkins  +   535d ago
Hacked? I doubt it, but if the service was hacked props to Microsoft for getting it up without a total shutdown and month of offline.

I was never offline, I was online since this morning and hadn't signed out, once I saw people were having trouble signing in I just didn't sign out and was fine.

Xbox Live has actually never been down for hacks, in 8 years as a member I've never not been able to connect, never any kind of maintenance or anything like that, I realize this is N4G and the Sony sniffers are actually hoping for something negative to go wrong with Xbox Live, but let's not be so childish shall we?
WalterWJR  +   535d ago
The only childish one here is you spewing out your dirty flame bait.
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TekoIie  +   535d ago
"The only childish one here is you"

Really? But you posted something 8 minutes before hand which makes me question your definition of childish:

"Haha all the xdrones scratching there heads thinking there internet is down, priceless."
GetSnooked  +   535d ago
"spewing out your dirty flame bait."

Flame-bait? Hah you have GOT to be kidding me. How is that flame-bait? The only "flame-bait" part I can see is " Sony sniffers are actually hoping for something negative to go wrong with Xbox Live" and if you consider that flame-bait, you just agreed that you're a fanboy because it was CLEARLY targeted at them.

Also, Pekolie is right in proving the point.

I'm sorry to say Walter, but "The only childish one here is you".
a_squirrel  +   534d ago
"Haha all the xdrones scratching there heads thinking there internet is down, priceless."

Doesn't that mean:

"Haha, all the people who play on Xbox are thinking that their internet is ACTUALLY down."

Sounds like he's saying that it just rarely goes down for them. Maybe they're in disbelief? I remember when PSN was hacked and there was all that trolling.
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WalterWJR  +   535d ago
@pekolie

#Dealwithit

To the guy below me, is that a joke because the part where you talked about bf3 and cross game chat made me laugh. Calling others Sony fan boys when you are a clear xdrone yourself. Ok time to tone it down as I am apparently trolling.
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TekoIie  +   535d ago
I think you proved my point so thank you! ;)

Stealth edit btw from me since I thought your entire comment was replying to me.
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Belking  +   535d ago
Don't listen to these fanboys. The service itself was never down. It's a problem with user / gamer tags . You could connect to live but not while signed in under your gamer tag. Mine is back up now. They are just a little mad that psn was down all around the world and made national news all because of their crappy security. XML is still a more solid service....... Now, back to my Battlefield 3 and cross chat.
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Ezz2013  +   535d ago
***Don't listen to these fanboys***

ok , note to my self:

*don't listen to @belking*
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a_squirrel  +   534d ago
@above
Is xdrone the new 'cool' thing to call someone who plays games on an Xbox... because they have an Xbox?

Call me NinSon Xdrone PC.
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ziggurcat  +   535d ago
bu-bu-but i thought XBL can't get hacked because people pay for the service...

/sarcasm
DasTier  +   535d ago
That was an annoying 2 hours, but at least now its back up
a_squirrel  +   534d ago
Ha, disagreeing trolls in full force.
Gravity_DoGG   535d ago | Trolling | show
SephirothX21  +   535d ago
The always online rumour for the 720 is absolute rubbish. There are too many potential customers that have limited access to an internet connection for MS to even consider this. They might have some kind of package where if the user agrees to be online to play games, they get xbox live gold for free and get discounts on all games bought online. Also, online connections are not reliable enough for such a an obligation.

People need to wait until MS announces the thing before trashing it without having any information confirmed.
Ayabrea123  +   535d ago
It takes 6 years to hack Sony and that's the rebuttal? Because they got hacked? Really? XBL was hacked until it got right. Just because Microsoft rather call it an 'outage' which is a buttery word for 'someone is trying to break in but let's not tell our customers because they are paying' is no different.

When Sony got hacked, no accounts or cards were compromised however during the fifa hacks people accounts were compromised. When people's gamer tag are hacked without then doing anything wrong and sold on the Internet for money, with their personal information.. It's okay but in year 2012 when almost every single company, even the FBI AND THE CIA was hacked and personal information was posted online, we are really still going to pull the Sony got hacked card? Windows has viruses... That doesn't mean the Xbox can't either. There's is no amount of money that can stop a hack. If you think they are pouring money just to keep your information safe, you are living in the wrong world. But keep thinking that.. It's your money. You get what you pay for
Pinkdolphin  +   535d ago
You realize this is server maintenence right? They are updating the servers in different regions. Psn goes down all the time for server maintenence you hypocritical pos. If your going to call someone out on something atleast check yourself asshole.
imahustla19  +   535d ago
Should have known this would happen. Sony takes out backwards compatability... hacked. Microsoft want a to make a system that's always connected online and tracks how many people are watching movies(supposedly) ... Hacked... Maybe.
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Max-Zorin  +   535d ago
Sony and MS fanboys doing what they do best. Proving that they need to meet up and kill each other already.
Ravenor  +   535d ago
I haven't logged into anything all day, so I just pushed the power button on the Xbox and voila XBL. The times I've been affected by an outage on XBL is extremely small, on the other hand other than the great PSN disaster I haven't been hurt personally by PSN outages either.
josephayal  +   535d ago
this is terrible for ms
Pinkdolphin  +   535d ago
How? Its been 6 hours and none at all for some. Psn goes down all the timefor maintenence is it bad for them too? What a troll....
Rusty515  +   535d ago
Well psn is free so....
a_squirrel  +   534d ago
He wasn't being a troll. My goodness you guys.
xJumpManx  +   534d ago
@Rusty515, yep psn is free and you get what you pay for an iffy service that is still playing catchup to XBL.
SaffronCurse  +   535d ago
Still can't sign in Via xbox.com
marcoskids  +   535d ago
Online for UK
QuantumWake  +   535d ago
Article has been updated and the servers are now back up. I am online right now using the Youtube app. No problems for me at the moment. Xbox.com also is up but the forums are unavailable.
Pinkdolphin  +   535d ago
So xbox live goes down for one day all for maintenence to update the servers in certain regions (you would know that if you actually knew whats going on) its rumored to be hacked. Its also been down for a month aswell in the past due to hacking i suppose too according to these comments. Well i'll be i guess it must have just flew by my head because i don't recall such a catastrophe in years on xbox. To the person whom disagreed with my comment what is the basis of your disagreement? Tell me i would like to know. Really lol Only on n4g people disagree for no reason.
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Dlacy13g  +   535d ago
umm...its up on my end...not sure when they went down but I have been on Live on and off yesterday..today...
DarthJay  +   535d ago
This has been quite a comical read. The PS3 fangirls salivating at the opportunity to regurgitate tired one-liners whereas in the time it took them to think of something creative, which by the way, hasn't happened yet, Xbox Live was back up.

The disagrees and the people claiming Xdrones/Xbots etc clearly don't have an Xbox 360, because the service is in fact working right now. There are still a few bugs, but I was just playing Defiance with tons of people online in the game and I just loaded Battlefield 3 and I see tons of full servers.

The only thing that is not working for me right now is my friends list, so I can't see who is online to link up. Wow. BRUTAL. My day is ruined.

Classic making a mountain out of a mole hill with some serious wishful thinking. If you spent more time enjoying what you have instead of spewing nonsense about something you don't own, you'd probably have a much better life.

Meanwhile, isn't Sony's annual maintenance day coming up? You know, that one day like every 1-2 months they have to take everyone offline to do server updates?

Anyway, thanks for the laughs. Back to the almost completely Live I go.
gamersday08  +   535d ago
For the $60/yr you're paying for, it better be, Amigo! Guess what, I'm not paying anything and I get to enjoy online play too minus some trivial features but I'll go with it anytime of the day...So happy gaming! ;)
JimmyDanger  +   535d ago
Yeah. $60 a year, $5 a month so what's that per day. 18c? Raging that it was down for some people for 6 hours, I'm emailing MS in a rage now and demanding my 5c back! Or I may be bold, and claim its ruined my day and demand 20c! Amirite Amigo?
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