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Xbox 720 vs PS4: Spec Rumors Give Sony Edge On RAM

When it comes to the Xbox 720 vs PS4 debate, spec rumors are pretty much all we have to go on right now. But tha'ts not Sony's fault. Sony had the decency to give us some info about their new system in February whereas Micrsoft is still pretending thatthere is no such thing as the Xbox 720. Why are they doing this? My guess is they want to hold as many cards as possible in the xbox 720 vs PS4 consumer debate. The less we know about the system the harder it will be for gamers to make up their minds early in the year. But, Microsoft should've anticipated that there would a fair amount of leaks regarding the Xbox 720 specs, and that it wouldn't take much time for game bloggers to start typing up their Xbox 720 vs PS4 comparisons.

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FrigidDARKNESS1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

Specs from the xbox mini posted by VGLeaks when they werent the Durango specs.
The new specs of the durango reveals dual 7790 with gddr5 8 or 10 gb ram x86 Jaguar.
http://www.extremetech.com/...
Other rumor MS may go with an 8000 series GPU. This article is totally wrong relying on bogus specs.

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The_Infected1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

10 gigs of ram doesn't really help if its DDR3. I highly doubt it's GDDR5.

DonFreezer1263d ago TrollingShow
Rhythmattic1263d ago

DonFreezer
Thats where you maybe right...

Most common PC architectures dont use GDDR for CPU, as you may know its DDR ...

This is what Makes the PS4 possibly different... Sony has been in close cohorts with AMD, through design, allowing GDDR memory . all 8 Gb to be accessed by not only the GPU but the CPU...

It possibly will be magical.. something no other "box" little lone console does.

Not Saying its any better than any of the competition, but its a great foundation.

cayleee1263d ago

@Rhythmattic

GDDR5 has high latency, how that plays out with the PS4 CPU is any ones guess. So lets not count the benefits of high bandwidth alone.

Its highly possible MS goes with a more PC like approach IE DDR for CPU, GDDR for GPU. We will just have to wait and see.

pete0071263d ago

ddr3 less latency+4 move engines to multiply bandwidt without latency issues, A LOT more efficient than an all purpose gddr5, its not even system memory. just a choice made when you have a tight budget

Rhythmattic1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

Okay... Latency...

What actually is the latency you talk about? What is the value?

If its so bad , why do graphics cards use GDDR ??? Guess we all notice the latency with graphic cards that use GDDR... /s

cayleee
High Latency ??? Whats high latency ? you read it on a forum ?

As for you pete007
Link please...

Im not pretending I know what that value is, but i use music programs that are strewn with latency... Depending of course on the sample rate buffer chosen... at lower figures, it just doesn't matter...Its not noticeable.

Edit :

To Add:

Pete007 "A LOT more efficient than an all purpose gddr5, its not even system memory"

Thats what makes it interesting... Sony has designed with AMD an Architecture that uses the GDDR as system ram, and BTW its DDR thats generally all purpose.

pete0071263d ago

@rytmatic
Gddr5 its not all purpose ram, i just meant the ps4 , i meant unified pool. I'm posting from my phone. Dif To linl stuff. But my pc's ddr3 triple Channel @2000 are 8-8-8-24 cycles where Common gddr5 are in the 200-300 cycles. That Alone says mutch. Of course, in a game, cpu doesnt represent alot, the fundamental piece of HW is the gpu and its hi speed memory. The inverse would be a chaos. They made the best call they could. But not the best available.
Xbox Will be more impressive. Just wait a bit To see

jcnba281263d ago

Of course you doubt it fanboy. It's hilarious because right when sony announces 8gb of gddr5 ram for the ps4 all of a sudden ram is the most important thing ever LOL.

Leviathan1263d ago

@ caylee DDR3s lower latency only matters when we are talking about small amounts of data.

ichimaru1263d ago

GDDR5 doesn't help latency if its used for the CPU

GABRIEL10301263d ago

PS4 have a clear advantage: 8GB of GDDR5 RAM memory, integrated GPU/CPU,PC arquitecture, friendly to program.

The next Xbox have two problems:

first : the slower DDR3 pipeline
second: the OS. Windows 8 could require a lot of RAM memory.

Maybe Microsoft is analizing how they can fix that. An interesting E3 awaits us

thechosenone1263d ago

"dual 7790 with gddr5 8-10GB RAM"

dual gpus, so you want a console that costs 600+? and 8-10GB of that sweet, sweet GDDR5? No, just no. lol

all the haters here should give this a quick look on why MS has to worry about more than just RAM.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

rainslacker1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

So...latency is the new thing that will make a console better or not? GDDR5 latency shouldn't be an issue on a closed console, particularly if the developer has access to control the flow of data.

I won't claim to be an expert in the field of how memory works, but DDR3 and GDDR5 work on entirely different principles in how they send out data to the processor. GDDR5 offers quite a bit of flexibility due to it's design. Linear processing of data with DDR3 is better for a general purpose CPU(and low latency is required because of it), but a console CPU does not necessarily work as a general purpose CPU. The code and memory are managed by the actual program running on the machine(ie. the game programmed by the developer), thus making it possible to achieve extremely high throughput of data along the larger and faster memory channels of GDDR5 with that data being ready exactly when it is needed...basically meaning the memory doesn't have to react in a way where latency is an issue.

The point is...GDDR5 latency isn't going to be an issue. Maybe if a dev just isn't that good at handling it, but console developers are masters at memory management by default.

TheSurg1263d ago

You have no idea what you're talking about. I see you base your knowledge on few n4g sony articles. Go research about GGDR and DDR, go research about capacity advantage and then come back.

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vulcanproject1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

RAM is RAM is RAM.

Memory bandwidth is what the actual advantage would be.

Microsoft do have time to change their memory plans, it is one thing that can be altered although it still would take many months of redesign, but that is fast relative to redesigning their main processor which is probably also an APU and would take at least 9 months to change in a perfect scenario.

No, if Microsoft have chosen a slower GPU and paired it with DDR3, chances are that is what they will stick to on cost grounds.

I am sure it'll be smartly engineered like Xbox 360 was. Xbox 360 delivered very similar performance to a much more expensively engineered machine- PS3.

However, this time Sony have made their performance much more accessible to developers. If PS4 is the faster machine on paper, it will definitely be faster in the real world this time as well because of that developer friendliness.

Nodoze1263d ago

Naaa MS can alter things even when on the assembly line. Then if things go 'wrong' they can deny any issues. That way the consumer can beta test their product for them while they work out the kinks. If the chatter of a class action lawsuit grows to high, then they can extend the warranty.

If you don't think they will do it again, you are a FOOL!!!

Baka-akaB1263d ago

Nope one does not drastically alter specs on the fly , besides upping the memory ante or lowering specs .

If the reveal consoles is much more than rumored , it will only mean that the rumors werent spot on .

ichimaru1263d ago

"much more accessible to developers. If PS4 is the faster machine on paper, it will definitely be faster in the real world this time as well "

http://www.gifsforum.com/im...

FarCryLover1821263d ago

Dual 7790? Sounds awesome if true.

DarkHeroZX1263d ago

He read his own article wrong.

It say's on the second page:

"That said, the hypothesized Durango GPU isn’t a perfect match for the HD 7790. Durango has 12 CUs for a total of 768 cores instead of the 14 CUs (896 cores) that the HD 7790 has."

ABizzel11263d ago

Don't believe it just yet. It's going to be hard for MS to squeeze a single 7790 into a console let alone 2.

If they go with a Single 7790 with less cores, and under-clock it, it'll be better than the rumored 7770GHz they had planned on using, but it's still not on par with the PS4 thanks to the under-clocking and core count cutting. It will be just like this gen where multiplatform games are identical and only PS4 exclusives shine better thanks to a likely 10% better GPU, but much faster RAM.

JsonHenry1263d ago

You will never see the raw throughput numbers that GDDR5 can provide. I think MS knows this and it is why they went with slower and cheaper RAM but added the ESRAM and the 4 move engines that help eliminate the bottlenecks. Overall the APU inside of the system will probably not be able to max out the full 8 gigs of RAM anyway, let alone the APU being able to max out the pipeline in the PS4.

In the end I think it won't make a difference and you will see both the PS4 and the 360 being neck and neck overall in graphics fidelity like this gen.

The real thing that people should be watching is what GPU is in the two systems. I feel that is where the biggest difference will come in to play.

zebramocha1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

Ms probably went with ddr3 because they wanted 8GB of ram,if gddr5 couldn't reach peak bandwidth throughput then what makes think DDR 3 will?those move engines zaps bandwidth,their memory setup is less efficient then Sony's because they were considering a similar memory combo,if they apu couldn't address 8gigs of memory then why have it?

Jaqen_Hghar1263d ago

A user thinks PS4 will be neck and neck with 360? A man doubts this considering one is coming out 8 years after the other.

JsonHenry1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

Crap, I meant the next xbox. Not the 360.

And those move engines INCREASES efficiency helping the system reach higher throughput levels. It doesn't "zap" them. Its going to be a wash I think. But as I said- the biggest difference will be the video cards since the video card in the in the PS4 is handily better than what is rumored to be in the newest Xbox.

Freedomland1263d ago

@JsonHenry

MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN, These machines are designed by engineers with millions of dollars of research and commenters are commenting like those engineers didn't know anything what ram can do or can't do with other hardware features and what is ram, apu, gpu, gddr5, ddr3, latency, bottleneck etc, these engineers have no clue about these things. INTERESTING!

AlphaJunk1263d ago

Good Post, JsonHenry (Nice to see some people on here that read about underlying specs and design of hardware) - I think you are right on with the real battle being in the GPU's - it seems that due to the high wait cycles of GDDR5 (compared to DDR3) and sharing that bandwidth between the CPU and GPU then pile on the wait cycles of both those will hold back things back and is going negate it's advantages somewhat, however I do like the sound of the GDDR5.

rainslacker1263d ago

Hmm...Sony has for three generations now created systems that went against the norm and pushed hardware specs beyond what they were originally thought to be able to provide. What makes you think this time will be different?

I'll admit the PS3's uniqueness went under utilized by devs for the most part, but when it did take advantage of it, the results were usually spectacular.

That being said, I highly doubt Sony would go with more expensive RAM if they didn't see a clear advantage for it. Sony and more so AMD have genius level engineers designing these systems. No doubt they showed positive and substantial real world gains to the corporate money types in order to get GDDR5 for the next system.

I do agree with you that the actual graphics card spec will play a part, but if MS stays with DDR3 for graphics then it's lower bandwidth could just bottleneck the GPU when it comes to performance. However, even with the ESRAM, if you can't feed that data to it fast enough, it's still a bottleneck...although we can only speculate since we don't know how it will be set up or how they'll implement it.

@Alpha

While each chip is on the same die, they still have independent access to the actual memory. There is no need for one to wait on the other, and if they did have to do this the system would stall on it's first clock cycle. Even if it were necessary, the parallel nature of GDDR5 is better suited for such a thing, as by it's very design it can send different sets of data while waiting on a separate pipeline.

The advantage of an APU is that data can be shared between the two chips at the speed of the APU clock and utilize the extremely fast bus speeds within, and not be hindered by any external bus between them.

fullmetal2971263d ago

Actually the ESRAM and DDR3 RAM combo was in the Xbox 360. I think Microsoft is sticking with this combination again because it worked so well with the xbox 360 and its more cost effective under their eyes.

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DarkHeroZX1263d ago

@ FrigidDARKNESS

Did you even read your own link? The link stated that the 7790 is capable of doing SLI and thats it.

It the says on the second page where it actually talks about the Xbox "That said, the hypothesized Durango GPU isn’t a perfect match for the HD 7790. Durango has 12 CUs for a total of 768 cores instead of the 14 CUs (896 cores) that the HD 7790 has."

Please read links before you go posting them. Your own link just more or less said that the ps4 is more powerful.

OpenGL1263d ago

SLI is an Nvidia technology, AMD's dual-GPU technology is known as Crossfire.

Syntax-Error1263d ago

They are experiencing technical difficulties as we speak. If this machine is supposed to be always on-line, how do you remedy a situation like that? If you're down for more than 24 hrs, do they pro-rate your annual feel? That's the f*ckin' problem we are facing. I am a true gamer and have had every console from 1981-present day, I have shown support for MS since 2001 and in recent months I have been starting to second guess my decision on their new console. Being a gamer I will definitely buy a PS4, but if this is MS's take on next gen, they can keep it. I am sure they have marketing and research developers that police these forums to see what the buzz is and clearly they can see that no one is happy at this point

StreetsofRage1263d ago

I came on here to see if my Live was down. I guess it is. It usualy gets corrected pretty quickly. I'll play my game later and hit the basketball courts now.

ps3_pwns1263d ago

if the x720 has better specs then it will cost a lot more then ps4 and in this case ps4 really wins so either way x720 fanboys you lose. might as well jump on the ps4 bandwwagon and be part of the new gaming social network. forget my xbox space and come to face ps4 book. or you gonna look dumb in the new gen just like myspace users.

mcstorm1262d ago

Why will people who have a next Xbox or even a Wiiu look dumb? Seems your a PlayStation fany boy I take it you only started gaming with the ps3?

Look back through the history of PlayStation and the 1st two consoles had less power than other consoles released with it.

Power is not what makes the consoles the best on the market its been about games.

Some one who likes to play Mario games is not going to buy a ps4 or next Xbox and someone who is a halo fan will not buy a Wiiu or ps4. The same for a lbp fan they will get the ps4.

Specs only matter to you fan boys when the console you cream all over is more powerful.

As a gamer I ill own all 3 because I want to play games like halo, Zelda, Metroid, forza, get, lbp ect and then depending which console my mates get for fifa ect ill grab that game foe the same console they get it on.

Yes games will look amazing on the ps4 because it has alto of power but look at games like kz3, uc3, halo 4 gears 3 these games look amazing on 7 year old hardware and this proves that you don't always need a new console to bring out amazing looking games. That said since when dose graphics make a game amazing? Gaming is about game play 1st and looks 2nd. Look at the sales of some of the best games this gen. Mario kart, new super Mario bros, call of duty Halo 3 ect and they are not the best looking games but they are bought because of the way they play and make people feel when they are playing them.

People will and always will go and buy the console they want not what fan boys rant about that is why the Wii sold the most this gen and the reason why the ps2 and psx sold the most the gens before them and the reason why they will go out and buy which ever console they want when all the next gen consoles are out.

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seanpitt231263d ago

There's no point in going on about it until Microsoft reveal it.
It's only around the corner a month to 2 months tops then you will all know.

Why o why1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

Just wait and see fellas. No point making such bold statements to the point you're projecting what you want JUST to one up or downplay. Based on rumours sony does have the edge ....case in point ms specs are rumours for now.. chill

'fanboys are the funniest' don freezer, fixed, unless you think only one side talks sh!t of course. Smh

Bathyj1263d ago

Dont really care about the specs at this point. Sonys studios give them the edge.

Why o why1263d ago

100% agree with that. Their talent alone is string on sonys bow.

Jaqen_Hghar1263d ago

A man does not buy a Sony console because of numbers on a piece of paper. A man will buy PS4 because about half his library of games on PS3 are first party exclusives and he has gotten hundreds of dollars worth of content for less than he would have to pay for simply going online on 360 because he has subscribed to PS+. Also a man's top games of the gen (1 per series) are as follows
1. Ratchet and Clank ACiT
2. Uncharted 3
3. Resistance 3
4. Batman AC
5. Infamous
So, a man would not have been able to experience 4 out of his 5 favorite games if he didn't own PS3. A man already is convinced on KZ and Infamous for PS4 so a man is sold.

stuna11263d ago

And I say AMEN to A MAN!

Waller1263d ago

You act as if those four series are everyone's favorites, and that they're being cheated out of an important life experience by not having a PlayStation. The truth is that you're passing your personal preference off as everyone's, and that's simply not the fact. I could do the same for Xbox, and it would have the same effect as what you're doing.

1. Halo
2. Gears of War
3. Forza
4. Dead or Alive
5. Fable

See? Those aren't everyone's favorites (they're not even mine), but you get the idea.

stuna11263d ago

@Waller

You just named the whole exclusive lineup of the Xbox.

Jaqen_Hghar1263d ago

@Waller

A man never said that they were the best games period. Everything a man said was in relation to his personal tastes and he made that very clear. Considering only Uncharted and Batman even had 90 metas on that list, a man knows that his opinion is not simply following the most popular trend. A user put words in a man's mouth as he never implied that everyone liked those series the best.

stiggs1263d ago

Jaqen_Hghar

Each time that I read your one of your comments and I see that you refer to yourself as "a man" I think of the stereotypical dork who claims that he has "a girlfriend".

In Canada...she's French.

Waller1263d ago

@stuna1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

THIS is the list of all the 360 exclusives (with the exception of Ryse listed on there).

Tultras1263d ago

Clearly, you guys are not into game of thrones or you would have understood his reference instead of making yourselves look like a bunch of pansies.

Why o why1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

lol stiggs.

chill man.....game of thrones is big right about now. Way to get the wrong end aey ;)

waller

C'mon man... its humorous. you shoulda been here to witness the wording of Zhuk vs Dark sniper... funny sh!t I swear... they both loved 3rd person

Waller1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

@Tultras

Clearly you don't understand that not everybody has access to HBO to watch a series such as Game of Thrones. You also don't seem to understand that him referring to himself as "a man" and myself as "a user" makes him sound very condescending.

With that, I leave this conversation, for I've used my last bubble.

edit:

I love how my post with the link to all the 360 exclusive games. It lists OVER 200 games. That's far and above the three or four most people list.

stiggs1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

It was just a joke.

I've never seen Game of Thrones so I don't get the reference.

You have to admit that the "a man" thing is getting kind of old though...

Leviathan1263d ago

@ stiggs. Read the books. They're worth it.

Jaqen_Hghar1263d ago

A man would encourage all of you to read A Song of Ice and Fire. A man has never read such well written books. Also a man is not being condescending when referring to himself. A man can simply change his face and name whenever he pleases as he is what a user would call "a faceless man." A user would know this if they were in on the joke, which it's not a problem not to be, but also does not make a man condescending.

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Sarobi1263d ago

Definitely a defining factor

Objective1263d ago

Already formulating new excuses in the event Xbox is more powerful than ps4 I see.

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TemplarDante1263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

Rumored 720 Specs

GPU= 12CUs (6+6)
CPU= 8 core Jaguar
Ram= 8GB DDR3 (2-3GB for OS+kinect)

PS4
GPU=18cu's (14+4)
CPU= 8 core Jaguar
Ram=8GB GDDR5 (1GB for OS)

The GPU is a big difference also.

For the record, the next xbox and PS4 will set a new standard for entertainment.

PS3 / 360= 0.06TFlops
PS4= 1.84 TFlops.
Xbox720= 1.2TFlops.

So, the next Xbox is 8Times more powerful than the 360 which is awesome.
If you disagree, go play Gears of war 3, now imagine 8 Times that graphics!
Top that off with 5GB of ram!
The PS4 is in a similar boat, 10 times more powerful than PS3!
Go watch The Last Of Us trailers, go play Uncharted 3 and imagine what PS4 will do!

Next gen is nearly upon us, as gamers, lets celebrate together!
:)

Saleem1011263d ago (Edited 1263d ago )

Look at those specs...

PFFT1263d ago

Look at those 720 RUMORED specs.

Dms20121263d ago

Not sure what everyone disagreed with, kind of makes my head hurt.

ImpliedDeception1263d ago

wut? Not to be that guy, but your math is confusingly off...

If PS3/360 are .06 TFlop, and Nextbox (whatever) is 1.2 TFlop, then nextbox is 20x more powerful (1.2 ÷ .06 = 20, just plug it into a calculator.) PS4 is over 30x more powerful....

But I was pretty sure both the PS3 and 360 were actually around .2TFlop, anyways... and, uh, yea...

ZoyosJD1263d ago

The Cell processor alone has 89.6 GFLOPS double precision and 179.2 GFLOPS single precision.

The RSX has 176 GFLOPS.

The PS4 GPU has 1.84 TFLOPS single precision.

The CPU FLOPS count is unknown, but should be around 150 GFLOPS (don't try and compare it to the Cell, it's a different architecture with different intentions in implementation).

It's really closer to a ~6x difference in FLOP count.

I wouldn't suggest trying to pin down any numbers for the nextbox, as there are enough rumors to make your head spin.

Cueil1263d ago

Both the PS3 and Xbox 360 have theoretical limits over 1 TFLOP...

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