CVG - "BioShock Infinite is so flawed, so horrendous, so, damaging, yet sits at 94% on Metacritic," wrote indie dev, Kris Piotrowski on twitter this week. "Bioshock Infinite isn't the answer to our problems. It is the best example of them."
Why do people have to get upset when a game gets good scores? Shouldn't we celebrate the success of a game? Who cares if lots of people enjoyed it.
Haters gonna hate. No matter what do you can't impress everyone.
Haters gotta hate mainstream to sound hipster and sophisticated - in a nutshell imho.
Congratulations! You guys have just joined the ranks of Phil Fish and Jonathan Blow! Way to go!
People just love to hate whatever is popular. In some cases I can agree, like Call of Duty, Hip-Hop music, and Micheal Bay films... But in the case of this game, it's really well made and deserves the praise it's getting.
You are now in *MY* Hall of Heroes. S-See what I did there?
"In some cases I can agree" no just no you lost my respect there.
I'm right at the ending, and I am literally thinking that my mind is being blown... this game is truly amazing. I think this indie dev is bitter that a AAA game has managed to impress like this.
My mind was blown, but not in the right way, it just feels like the game spews metaphisical rubbish at you just to scream in your face: "DIDN'T EXPECT THAT, HEY!?" of course you didn't expect it, if you can't even understand it... I kinda liked it though.
I like how to basically sets up a Bioshock "universe". LOVE that ending! Doesnt sequel bait, but leaves room for more to come :)
I finished the game and think it is overated, that said i still think it is worth an 8.5.
games that do well...even if I can't stand them...usually helps the industry out so it's almost always a good thing except if it's an ios game..
good point, while bioshock infinite as a video game is average at best as an art it is exceptional. big subject were tackled in the game and they were done right usually any other game which tried to touch on some of the subjects in bioshock infinite would have been instantly slammed not only by the gaming community but by the media too. i think this game is a very VERY positive thing for gaming. to be honest even the weaker aspects of the game arnt all bad the gun fighting is still fun all things considered. yes reviews have been exaggerated but i think that can be considered a good thing
this has something more to do with personal issues poor kid mad about another man success .its plenty of other things he could be ranting mad about .how about his lack of talent thats something to be mad about
honestly, who cares how a game scores? Other than publishers who use this information to impress investors of course.
no game should ever get 10/10, and all these sites giving have no credibility as reviewers if they cannot even give proper scores
Everybody has a right to their own opinion, I just don't feel its necessary to spew negative opinions. Why try and diminish other people's joy in something? If you don't like it fine, is it so important to you to have others feel the same way?
Thats how I feel people treat motion controls. I love them. I also only play Bioshock with Move and it works great.
its not negative opinion its criticism, if you don't let people know what you don't like about their game how are they ever going to fix it? besides if you like the game surely other people's opinions don't matter.
Criticism is negative, and your assuming that just because you don't like something it needs to be "fixed"...and you are correct, I don't base what I like and don't like on other opinions. My point was I don't feel criticism or negative opinions are necessary (same thing), unless they are constructive and used to uplift, not tear down. So I see what your saying and I agree when used that way it can be helpful
@greyhaven33 its not negative you just precive it to be that way. also you make it sound like this game is reciving a lot of hate did you not see all the amazing reviews it got (most of which seemed to gloss over many aspect in the games that were lacking). there is much MUCH more news,articles and reviews praising the game than there are that criticise it or slam it you just seem to not accept any of the negative opinions or even consider them because you think the game is good you want to remove any negative news to confirm that it is. there is much more good news surrounding the game and this indie dev made a very legitimate comment regarding the story and how aspects of the gameplay break the immersion/does not fit with the story line. i personally like the game one of the best ive seen but i do agree with the general point this dev is making
I can see why Bioshock Infinite might not appeal to everyone, but "horrendous" is such a ridiculous overstatement, and insulting the intelligence of the people who enjoyed it is just rude. If you want "horrendous", try playing Amy or Charlie's Angels.
it was surely done on purpose to get the discussion rolling. worked out quite well.
Out of all the games to hate on... Bioshock Infinite should be on the very bottom of the list. It's different, it's beautiful, and it's intelligent. It's art.
Agreed I played a 1 hour trial on ps3 and now I want to buy it
Trust me. It is amazing.
It's a shooter, maybe people started to hate shooters, idk. Still have to play BI.
It's a shooter, but even if it was a point and click adventure, it would still be amazing.
In the age of the internet, there will always be that guy.
What's interesting to me is that Piotrowski seems to have more of a problem with the game's aesthetic and story content than he does about the actual gameplay and design, which make a larger amount of contribution to a game's experience than he wants to admit. He makes no real critique about how the game is poorly constructed from a technical or design perspective. Games like Braid aren't just telling rich stories; they value the tactile and gameplay experience too. I'm all for detailing the story/aesthetic experience, but if you're going to say that Bioshock Infinite is a completely "horrendous" game, be sure to make the full argument instead of half of one.
Gameplay is what differentiates Video Games from Film and Literature. Judging by his portfolio, Gameplay doesn't seem to be his forte.
All good art is bound to enthrall as many people as it enrages, so perhaps this criticism is a sign of the game's success?
I am at work so I cannot go on the tirade I want to but this is absurd. What have u done? Why is it that racism is the reason that Bioshock is horrendous. It isn't about racism. Its like saying that CoD WaW is terrible because it doesn't address the holocaust in a serious way. The game isn't about racism no matter how much ur relativistic self rightelus self wants it to be. Does it address the issue? Yeah, its set in 1912. But it isn't the core theme. How about instead of judging a game for its views on history, u take a stand for the legal attrocities that are committed today. Nope...no one will because its legal and u won't be popular if u do...and like booker at the raffle, everyone will stare at u and point and laugh. Yeah, millioms of innocent chikdren r butchered everyday for convenience and we harp about the evils from times past that we have worked hard to fix. I appluad Irrational for even trying to do this. It takes balls in our PC madness of a world. Anyway, back to work.
Bioshock Infinite isn't perfect or as great as people make it out to be. But it is far from being a horrendous game.
it does have it's share of technical issues and is far from a 10 that most sites gave it. It should be more of a 8 imo
the art, the story, the soundtrack, the attention to details and the amazing voice acting and the MIND BLOWING ending justify these scores in my opinion. the gameplay is not prefect, but bioshock is a huge breath of fresh air to have a FPS that its not about space dude bros fighting terrorists and Russians.
freezes, screen tearing, Elizabeth just disappearing at the end on me leaving me stuck @ a lighthouse door, another point where Elizabeth was carrying a lamp & enemies were coming so Elizabeth ran away but the lamp was still there just floating in the air by itself. Then throw in the things that just feel unfinished like the saving & looting. If it wasn't for what you mentioned the game would be more like a 6 with all the issues I had. I am on my 3rd play through btw already beat it on hard & 1999 mode now I am playing on easy so I can have a stress free play through. and another BTW noone hates roided out space bros in a generic military shooter more than me.
I thought the best part was the opening that is really damn near perfect. The player exposition is also so well dosed and mastered, they just trickle information onto you in such a natural way (except for the "ATTENTION EVERYONE, NOSEBLEED!")
"the gameplay is not prefect" Then it doesn't deserve perfect scores. -The End-
Gee. Even in my honest user review for Infinite, I wasn't praising the game but it certainly was not horrendous.
Put it this way. BI, as a game is heads and shoulders above the amongst the biggest titles this generation. But one cannot feel but be disappointed that this game still rely on the "shooting" trope that has plagued this generation. Take a closer look on earlier E3 trailers. Both focused on the characters FAR MORE in those trailers alone than the entire BI game itself. Naturally, people would have that kind of expectation will fall way short because they wanted it to be "the" game, not just the best game because people would look back on this gen and the "defining" game still had to use such crutches in order to make it more appealing. I guess we can see why so many important people quit the studio during the development.
Indie devs are so full of themselves. I love a good indie game as much as the next guy, but the people who make them are insufferable sometimes. I don't even love Infinite, and I'm still rolling my eyes.
they just don't have any idea of what PR is, or they just don't care. I'm pretty sure everyone of us has that game everyone loves and we just don't get. Then we express it on twitter, just like he did. there was quite a bit of insulting going around when I was playing AC3...
Everyone has a opinion about the games they enjoy, but I have to admit sometimes I wonder with this generation of gamer if there in the right hobby, I have been gaming for 30 yrs and some of the hate towards some games is ridiculous and never given a chance. If the games not triple AAA and got COD name in it they dont even bother playing it missing out on some gems
Pffft Hipsters smh.
Telegram for Kris Piotrowski: http://i.imgur.com/5J8oEDz....
It is nice to know this indie devs opinion means more than everyone elses Also i love people overreacting over racism in a game, yet the other day i saw a movie called django unchained it has racism, the movie could not exist without it. I do not see complaints i am sure there are some where though. The racism helps give the world in game/film a culture and really adds to an immersive world
Only problem I had with the game was the combat. Felt over passed and dumbed down from the first 2. No need for planning, no need to choose gear careful, no need gun upgrades or vigor upgrades careful. No need for a lot of things other than run and gun. Dare I say? Casualized?
Good game, but overrated. First bioshock was the best. Story was dragged out.
apparently people cant have opinions anymore because I agree with you but im sure I will get down voted.
i liked infinite but it was not a 10 for me. It is different and has amazing elements but I would give it a 9 for me.
Where was all this during DmC?
Because he's not the one that made it.
this person thinks his opinion matters more than everyone elses. lol...
The same could be said about any reviewer.
Indy dev = Unemployed broke jealous motherfucker. Your indy cause no place will hire you.
Lol, Bioshock Infinite is horrendous, so I'm guessing his games blow it out of the water. Truth is that I doubt many people even would want to play any of his games, so him calling a recent, universally lauded title like Bioshock Infinite horrendous just makes him look like a jealous fool
I think that Infinite would do well to have an extra episode that basically does a bit more of what the demo showed. We could meet Salstonstall, the man with the light behind his eyes. And see a giant bell fall in front of us. The episode could be a lot more about politics than religion and could more clearly hint at the world tensions that lead to World War 1.
I'll agree, this was a horrendous game. Left the same sour taste in my mouth that Dishonored left. If only refunds were possible...
So, the guy who made Goldeneye 007 is hating on Bioshock for being a shooter. Seems legit.
No game is perfect, but when a game comes out that does some things so incredibly well, many people are willing to overlook some flaws. Should reviews be more critical? Sure, I guess. But is it easy to understand why somebody would write so many positive things about BioShock: Infinite that negatives get overshadowed? Yes. BioShock: Infinite is not a perfect game; but it boasts probably the best world in gaming history, as well as one of the best stories. So if reviews don't harp on the average to decent gameplay or other niggling issues, is it REALLY that big of a deal?
Video games are like any other form of art: if they manage to attract almost as much hate as they do praise, then they're doing something right.
I think that's Margaret Thatcher that you're thinking of, not videogames which tend to get near universal praise when they are great.
The guy can say it's horrendous all he wants. That doesn't make it true.
No it's not. The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct is horrendous. Aliens: Colonial Marines is horrendous. Resident Evil Operation Raccoon City is horrendous. Duke Nukem Forever is horrendous. Mindjack is horrendous. Bioshock Infinite is not horrendous. What exactly falls into the kind of criteria for this guy to call a well received and successful game horrendous? Because I thought that a bad video game involves it being unplayable, have terrible controls, contain bugs and glitches, look graphically unfinished, have bad voice acting, and have a poor story. Last I checked Infinite doesn't possess any of those things (not to say it's completely flawless). Everything else I listed above have those things.
Well we're all entitled to our own opinion. He didn't like it, fair enough. I'm sure there's quite a few people out there who didn't like the game. I agree it doesn't quite deserve 94%, it's nowhere near as good as most make out it is but it's still a great game. I'd say it should be somewhere in the 80s but that's just me. I wonder how many disagrees I'm going to get for not think it's the best game ever created.
I hate these pretentious indie developers who want AAA games to fail. Bioshock Infinite is amazing, why try to argue it isn't when the significant majority loves it? Does Kris Piotrowski not understand that AAA & Indie games can co-exist and both be great? I think he's just jealous/attention seeking, sad.
Of course people are going to attack the indie developer instead of refuting what he says. He actually makes a good point. I still liked bioshock infinite though.
I suppose it snot the message, but the messenger.
Critics and internet peons falling over themselves trying to sound intelligent and worthy - not unlike Bioshock Infinite.
Just another pretentious indie developer who thinks if it's not indie it's crap. Nothing to see here. We have his kind in every type of media that instead of actually helping their cause they actually do damage to it. So, ignore him, there is nothing really to see here.