Submitted by Jek_Porkins 755d ago | news

Following Twitter Tirade, Microsoft Creative Director Adam Orth No Longer With Microsoft

If the first rule of public speaking is to know your audience, then the first rule of Twitter is to realize that you are speaking publicly. (Industry, Microsoft)

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Jek_Porkins  +   755d ago
Microsoft did the right thing, especially if they aren't heading in a DRM direction, although the free publicity could do them a lot of good in the long run, and every single gamer will tune in to Microsoft's reveal to hear truth from rumor.
NewMonday  +   755d ago
Sweet Billy must really hate the internet now.
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shivvy24  +   755d ago
its really funny how people made memes and bag him out , but to lose a job over this is just sad
Blacktric  +   755d ago
RIP in pieces Sweet Billy


Taken from us so soon...
Gaming101  +   755d ago
LOL seriously, that guy was relentlessly douchy, arrogant and belligerent, anyway, and if he's going to be mouthing off about details that haven't been confirmed by Microsoft yet, he deserves to be fired! There are obviously confidentiality agreements signed into everyone's contract, so you can't just go around divulging your company's 5 year plans to competitors, they have these things for a reason.
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Ezz2013  +   755d ago
but he said the internet is awesome .....it killed his career :P

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Blacktric  +   755d ago
I actually don't like reading news like this (someone getting fired from their job). But in this case, I'm extremely happy. He can go to hell for all I goddamn care. A man that forces their colleagues to call him Sweet Billy and ignores them if they don't, does not deserve to have a job anywhere.
EVILDEAD360  +   755d ago
Microsoft had no choice in this case...

The funny part is we found out the bombshell that the Xbox 720 does NOT have to be online and it will play all 720 games offline whether new OR used.

It's the XBOX mini that does not have a disc drive and is competing with Apple TV that will have to always be online.

Probably the biggest news in the 720s existance since all of the 'always online' news and the Orth foul up.

Adam Orth unfortunately has to be the example for the silly tweets and loses his job. But, the crazy thing is he never had to defend the online stuff to begin with.

Xbox 720 will have Backwards Compatability through Xbox Mini

Xbox 720 will support used games

Xbox 720 will play games offline.

The plot has thickened

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SilentNegotiator  +   755d ago
This news makes this picture from a few days ago sooooooo perfect.

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blitz0623  +   755d ago
If I had a twitter account I would tweet him #dealwithit
Why o why  +   755d ago
wait a sec.....didnt greenberg say he didn't know that guy almost like he didn't exist. Maybe greenberg knew it was curtains for mr dwi
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Grap  +   755d ago
@Why o why
not everyone who work in the same company know each other microsoft isn't a studio has only 100 employ we are talking about thousands of people.
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inveni0  +   755d ago
They've probably been waiting to fire this guy for a long time.
Flatbattery  +   755d ago

Many companies are adopting social media policies now, you would be very much surprised what some people have been dismissed for.

In the case of Adam Orth, he really should have known better or read company policies.
Why o why  +   755d ago

oh I know that, I dont even know all the members of my family;)

I reckon he must of known or found out who he was before he came out of hibernation. Notice he didn't say this guy wasn't an ms employee, so again, I reckon he must of known something of the guys existence.
badz149  +   755d ago
will Greenberg admit that he actually knows this guy now?
Timesplitter14  +   754d ago
Someone has lost his job and is having actual real-life problems right now because some fatties (us) decided that we were very, very offended by someone talking about online connectivity in a video-game console.

I don't think this is right.

And I don't really expect the average N4Ger to understand why since they live in their imaginary magical kingdom where video game purity is the #1 concern and nothing else matters
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nosferatuzodd  +   754d ago
wow that's sad

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ziggurcat  +   755d ago
while it's all still just a rumour, orth's tweets do seem to imply that the next xbox will require an always online connection.

now, whether it's for something like the facilitation of system updates (which is useful, imo) or if it's required to be connected even for a single player game is another thing...

frankly, i'm surprised it took this long for MS to show him the door.

@ nukeitall "I still don't understand why people are so upset with Orth?"

because his tweets insulted anyone who either doesn't have access to or can't afford super high speed internet, and mocked peoples' concerns about having to be connected to play games that don't need an online connection to function.
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Jek_Porkins  +   755d ago
Not really, if they were going to go with DRM console they would have kept him, firing him only makes sense if MS were going in a different direction.

The thing is, people can be confused when they think they are onto some supposed "fact", if it turns out this Xbox Mini that you need to play Xbox 360 games is always online, well there ya go, crisis averted, if it turns out your Xbox 720 needs to be online to use apps, well then...no shit....
MariaHelFutura  +   755d ago
No. They would fire him either way. 1) Because talked about an unannounced console on twitter. 2) Because he was a complete @sshole while doing it.
Saigon  +   755d ago
He broke the NDA. To me that is enough to fire him. Most likely to avoid any legal action they had him step down. From what I was told from a friend that knows someone that works at MS in Seattle. the employees are under a very strict NDA protocol when it comes to any new products for MS. they are pretty much not allowed to say anything in any hint or applied subject. i feel sorry for him but hey that's how the ball rolls.
hesido  +   755d ago
Yes, I know someone working at Microsoft. He said they hadn't received the next gen Xbox kits yet (working on different projects till now), but they were going to. When I asked him if he could give any tidbits, he said he might as well pack his stuff and leave Microsoft :)
syphon32  +   754d ago
Its because internet providers aren't reliable and the internet tends to go out sometimes. No one wants that especially if you have a system that depends on it.
Pushagree  +   755d ago | Funny
Guess Adam will have to...*puts on shades* deal with it.
IIC0mPLeXII  +   755d ago
knifefight  +   755d ago
Now that he doesn't have to go to work, he can REALLY be always online!
DarkBlood  +   755d ago
damn it you got to say that before i could lol
-Alpha  +   755d ago
Well, I'm sure EA is hiring

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tigertron  +   755d ago
"Now that he doesn't have to go to work, he can REALLY be always online!"
Not unless he can find a new job and pay for his internet bills. :P #dealwithit
Cupid_Viper_3  +   755d ago
Well I have to say I'm in a bit of shock to be honest. A lot of XBox fans on here came into every thread to explain to us why all of this "bad news" was actually really good news for MS. And that there's no such thing as bad puplicity.

So why would you fire a guy for supposedly "taking attention away from the PS4" as they guys on here put it?

Oh NVM, I just answered my own question. We actually live in reality, where overwhelmingly bad press about a product is a huge problem, hence why ad campaigns such as Mac vs PC were so effective. Or why presidential elections campaign normally do negative ad campaigns.

But you know what, idiot or not, I hope that this guy's family don't have to pay for his mistakes, and that he can get back on his feet as quickly as possible.
WrAiTh Sp3cTr3  +   755d ago
"A lot of XBox fans on here came into every thread to explain to us why all of this "bad news" was actually really good news for MS."

Can you provide a link to these people you speak of?
onyoursistersback  +   755d ago
I click agree with Cupid_Viper_3.

And click a disagree on WrAiTh Sp3cTr3, just cuz he knows his talking out of his a55 on asking for a link on the people hes talking BAD about Microsoft.

P.S. "RIP good grammar"
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BitbyDeath  +   755d ago
@WrAiTh, first poster on this page still claims it as good publicity. LOL
dale_denton  +   755d ago
WrAiTh Sp3cTr3
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   755d ago
Really wraith? A link?

Just click through any submission and you'll be hard pressed to miss it lol.
KwietStorm  +   755d ago
You're gonna beat this publicity thing into the ground aren't you?
fr0sty  +   755d ago
Were they doing the right thing by sending the cops to raid a guy's house who was the first to leak this sort of thing out? All these actions do is give credence that Microsoft is very worried about this information getting out. If it were just a rumor that was not true, they would just do an interview and say "we have no intentions to force users to remain online while playing any of our consoles". They wouldn't even have to announce a new console to do that, and it would instantly crush the rumor. Sony did it when they registered that used game patent and the net went wild about it. They came right out and said "PS4 will play used games.".

So, I wouldn't assume they've done the right thing. If they really are trying to do this always on thing, this is not a good way to bring attention to it. They should either remain quiet or come out and debunk it. Trying to clamp down on the rumor starters with force is not a sign of confidence.
syphon32  +   754d ago
I totally agree, being secretive about it isn't working. They should've got ahead of the rumor. Now potential customers investing into the next gen will probably lean towards ps4. Dispelling the "always online" rumor would've helped MS. It would've put the hearts and minds of those looking forward to the 720 at ease. They might not be talking about it because it's true and it's too late to rebuild. It's just speculation but in this case not saying anything isn't helping.
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refocusedman  +   755d ago
Although it was a stupid/ignorant comment, at the end of the day he was just sticking up for MS and showing pride for the company that he works for. Do I agree with him, no but I also dont believe that he deserves to be fired. I dont know when this happened, but gamers have developed a scary sense of entitlement and very thin skin. From the threats written on n4g in response to his comments, to people voting EA the worse company in the US ( when you have companies like bank of america who caused thousands of hard working people to lose their homes). I just dont understand it. At the end of the day games are games and life is life.
superterabyte  +   755d ago
@shivvy24 really? telling your potential customers to 'deal with it'.

really annoyed me and to add salt to the wounds his analogy's just showed how much of an idiot he really was. comparing electricity outages to network ones is possibly the most idiotic thing I have ever heard form an employee in the technology business except maybe giant crabs being part of ancient Asian culture =D

No low level employee of any major company would get away with what he has done so don't feel sorry for him.
GenericNameHere  +   755d ago
Haha I knew it! I don't get enjoyment out of people losing their jobs and not being able feed themselves, but he should have known the consequences. Carefully watching what you write and post online is THE MOST BASIC of online business, yet this guy went on to say "Deal With It". That phrase may not mean much to him even if he's joking, but it's ALWAYS about the consumer. You tell the consumer to just take it and "deal with it"? Well, you don't have to be a freaking economics guru to figure out what happens next.
andrewsqual  +   755d ago
Or since the 2010 Kinect "Reveal" I still don't want to live on this planet anymore when anything related to Microsoft E3 Press Conferences is involved. I will wait until it is over and get the remnants of the news from Eurogamer lol.
chrismichaels04  +   755d ago
"the publicity could do them a lot of good in the long run"? A guy just lost his job. The man has a family to support and all you ignorant fanboys care about is publicity for Microsoft? Yea because hearing a guy lost his job is always positive media coverage. Unbelievable.
Cryptcuzz  +   755d ago
He lost his job not because of a bad economy that forced his company to make cuts or anything else similar that would warrant empathy from the same people who he was being a smart ass too.

He lost his job because he is someone in the know that is under strict NDA disclosures that talked or. mplied about a product that is yet to be revealed or announced.

With your logic, we should empathize with criminals that will go to jail because they have committed a crime?

Maybe the guy is making 200k + a year and is never there for the family. Would you then feel the same way?

Maybe the criminal going to jail (that we should fee bad about based on your logic) is the one hurting the family and thus the reason why the criminal is going to jail?

Thing is you don't know all that. Neither do I, so let's leave it at that.

What you do need to know is those who dislike the guy, reason why all the jokes and memes about him going rampant are simply because of how he made smart ass comments on a subject that he should have never made comments about, and respect the NDA disclosure that I'm sure he has signed. Peace.
chrismichaels04  +   754d ago
@cryptcuzz...i have to disagree with you buddy. You're argument makes no sense. How on earth can you compare someone getting fired with someone going to jail? Criminals go to jail for serious offenses. This guy got fired for making an idiotic statement. Where in your logic are the two comparable? I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be disciplined, but a public apology and a suspension would have been enough.

What difference does it make how much money he earns? Doesn't change the fact that he is supporting himself and his family with an honest days pay. So we're only allowed to show sympathy for people...as long as they don't make past a certain amount of money? If he works long hours and never gets to see his family because of it, it just means he's making sacrifices for them.

Just because I don't like someone doesn't mean I'm going to take pleasure in their personal loss. Most people on here are quick to dismiss the possibility that Xbox is including an always online feature and are the first ones saying wait until MS announces something. If that's the mentality we're using, then we can't argue he deserves being fired for breaking confidentiality agreements either.

All we know right now is that he lost his job over a stupid comment. And certain people are celebrating his losing his job as "good publicity" for Microsoft. That's the part I disagree with.
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marinelife9  +   755d ago
People get fired all the time for making large stupid mistakes. I don't feel sorry for the guy.
TheXonySbox  +   754d ago
" every single gamer will tune in to Microsoft's reveal to hear truth from rumor."

Someone is out of touch with reality; newsflash majority of gamers arnt on N4G and they are busy with life. lol #fail
aviator189  +   755d ago
I honestly don't know why ms hired him in the first place.
When he was a designer at Sony, he practically dissed Halo in an interview. Maybe he had some worthwhile abilities, but I wouldn't want to hire someone who can't respect the key franchise related to any certain company.
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nukeitall  +   755d ago
That is a good point, but MS might not have known about it. He does seem like an asshole similar to that other dude that made Twisted Metal, David Jaffe.

Yet, I can't help, but feel bad for the guy. His comments very pretty innocent, and that sort of thing I would have said as a joke.

Feel bad he no longer has a job regardless of being forced to resign/fired or resigning out of free will.

I still don't understand why people are so upset with Orth?
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NYC_Gamer  +   755d ago
It's because his rant made the whole company[MS] look real bad
WeAreLegion  +   755d ago
Jaffe is a saint, sir.
KwietStorm  +   755d ago
You may not like David Jaffe's personality, but I don't recall him ever taking jabs at anyone or joking about where people live. He's actually a very respectful guy, if you've ever spoken to him.
DeeZee  +   755d ago
Actually, Jaffe seems like a nice guy. I heard a lot of bad things about him, but after following him on Twitter for a while he seems like one of the nicest people in gaming. He talks about his kids and none of his tweets come across as arrogant.
Akin0  +   755d ago
If you work for any corporation such as Microsoft there are policies in place for communication of company information / trade secrets. All employees are trained on these policies. Orth most likely violated those policies with his tweets even tho they were in jest. Given the secretness and sensitivity of the subject matter Microsoft deemed termination appropriate, and I would agree.
konnerbllb  +   755d ago
Looks like he's off to Nintendo now. Third times a charm.
JoGam  +   755d ago
I think this will really screw his chances with another company in gaming.
condemmedman  +   755d ago
Ah there you go an ex sony employee. That explains the arrogance and bitterness lol
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coolbeans  +   755d ago
A believe a toast is in order...

To the 'always-on...the hunt for a new job' Adam Orth. Cheers.

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DragonKnight  +   755d ago
Adam Orth disagreed with you.
coolbeans  +   755d ago
To be expected. He isn't always-on his best behavior here. :P
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DragonKnight  +   755d ago
He even disagreed with me about him disagree with you.
grayfoxx881  +   755d ago
This was most definitely a forced resignation, which is not the least bit surprising.
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Sarobi  +   755d ago
I guess that is to be expected when you dick around on Twitter.
sithsylar  +   755d ago
So much for freedom of speech hey haha.
Campy da Camper  +   755d ago
He has freedom of speech. We all do. MS has freedom to fire you. Adam can feel free to stand on any street corner and say people without constant internet are dumb. Its his right. That said, companies are free not to hire him.
jimbobwahey  +   755d ago
Ahahahahaha! So glad to see this guy out of a job :D

I hope whoever fired him made a "Deal with it joke" :D
Saleem101  +   755d ago
Wow this guy lost his job over comment thats little harsh, a nation full of wussies....
geassdanny  +   755d ago
No sir you don't get it! For him to take such mindless actions whilst representing MS, could bring the company into disrepute. And that was proven by the backlash from his moronic comments and how widespread it went.

Any employee that could bring their company into disrepute would probably not be in a working position for a long time. Mr Orth proved it.
sithsylar  +   755d ago

Who DID NOT see this coming bahah.
Software_Lover  +   755d ago
Epic mother f'n fail!!!!!!!!

This is for you StrongMan

StrongMan  +   755d ago
Get a life, dude and keep me off of your mind.
ALLWRONG  +   755d ago
You spend more time in the Xbox section talking about the PS than you do in the PS section. You're telling people to get a life? Don't get all angry now because you got called out.
insomnium2  +   755d ago
Yeah and you allwrong have only one bubble so you....oh wait!
Hicken  +   755d ago
Like you've really got any room to talk, ALLWRONG.
guitarded77  +   755d ago
I don't agree with the guy's opinion, but this is bad for a couple reasons.

1. Lost his job... that's not cool no matter who you are.

2. This could and will make others in the industry less open with their opinions with the public.
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sithsylar  +   755d ago
I really agree with this. Tho i saw him losing his job coming from A MILE AWAY. Its a shame tho because in america freedom of speech and all that shit. If i had a powerful job like his i would not have a twitter account or facebook.
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Campy da Camper  +   755d ago
There were no freedoms taken. He has a right to free speech. We all do. But companies have a right to protect their interests. If one of my employees emails a paying customer and calls them a douche bag, that's his freedom lettng him do it. I then can fire them as that's my right. It boils down to common sense folks.
Baka-akaB  +   755d ago
With the freedom of speechalso comes the freedom of firing morons . And he really has no excuse this time , as it wasnt his first rodeo with only public comments . He aplogized once about it , and said he learned his lesson , only to show that he didnt at his next job .
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geassdanny  +   755d ago
Nothing to do with freedom of speech here. This annoys me greatly, as soon as someone is taken to task due to their stupid behaviour, you get some people bitching on about "what about freedom of speech?".

Sure losing his job might have been a little harsh, but I bet he knew the company's policies, and kind of talking or hinting about something that hasn't been formally announced yet is nobody but his fault.

No freedom rights were encroached to taken away in this matter. He had his say on twitter and I bet MS had their say with him, no freedoms taken away what so ever.
Narutone66  +   755d ago
Freedom of speech comes with a price, that is accountability or responsibility.
Akin0  +   755d ago
Large companies like Microsoft have policies regarding communication of company information by their employees, as condition of employment. Orth violated those policies - even tho his tweets were in jest. Orth is terminated, end of story.

This has nothing to do with First Amendment rights.
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Software_Lover  +   755d ago
I think the problem is he is not a Microsoft PR person, therefore he had no reason to be speaking, even not directly, about an unannounced product, therefore representing the company. No other employee has spoken about this therefore he was "out of his lane" as they say. Add to that, he was very blunt with his remarks, although they were taken the wrong way IMHO.
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Sketchy_Galore  +   755d ago
I usually hate people losing their jobs for their tweets and Facebook statuses but this guy really should have understood that making strong hints about the most secretive project your company are working on, strong hints that make the thing look bad and will clearly turn public opinion against the project before its even revealed, that is a very very silly move.
cell989  +   755d ago
will Sweet Billy answer to the name Adam now? I keep hearing this guy is a total douche bag
GreenRanger  +   755d ago
Where's the Adam Orth parody N4G account?
Software_Lover  +   755d ago
I dont like alts.............. why dont you go make one, lol
GreenRanger  +   755d ago
I meant a name change, not an alt.
I sure as hell won't be changing my username.
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limewax  +   755d ago
You forgot the word 'obligatory' by the way
Kratoscar2008  +   755d ago
Hopefully now he will gain some humanity out of this, that arrogant ass needed to be put down from his high Throne.
Avernus  +   755d ago
I'm sure he's **dealing with it** ... wink wink
wenaldy  +   755d ago
gooooood riddance!!!!!!! Good night Sweet Billy :)
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Fatty  +   755d ago
What a dumbass. Hope he takes his own advice and deals with it.
MrBuffalo  +   755d ago
I dont expect everyone on here to agree with me but I've worked for a big corperation and the fact that he was fired doesnt add any truth to the rumours. The fact that he voiced an oppinion to the rumours got him fired and that I can appreciate. I'm a gamer through and through. I play games whether they be Sony, Nintendo or MS and I'm still excited for the MS reveal. Heres a thought. They spent hundreds of millions or even billions on different designs and will go with the best option to combat sony. I dont believe that but its a possibility and the not knowing has got me really excited. Bring on the games! bring on the wii u zelda and mario, the ps uncharted (two years have past since 3 so a new one is due) and bring on the gears, halo and forza. I dont give a crap. I love gaming and I want to see what there is to offer.
Reborn  +   755d ago
This shouldn't shock anyone. It's common knowledge by now to know that employees will check your Twitter, or FB etc. So don't go nuts with what you place on them, or better yet, don't ever mix business, with personal.

He couldn't found better methods to debate his views.
Bathyj  +   755d ago
Saw that coming
Funky Town_TX  +   755d ago
This stuff happens in big corps.
Dude did not follow company policy and dude got fired. If they keep him then all employees can violate company policies.
josephayal  +   755d ago
Losing Your Job Is Not Funny
Urusernamesucks  +   754d ago
But orth loosing his...
God Damm Thats gold xD!
oOMICHAELOo  +   755d ago
Are people honestly shocked by this? You act like an asshole on the internet & make the company you work for look bad this is what happens. Sadly too many people fail to realize this social media is not for you to go on tyrants about your personal life. Because at the end of the day nobody gives a flying f*ck. He got exactly what he deserved. He was a bad egg, and bad eggs get tossed.
gamertk421  +   755d ago
I agree with you on everything but the word tyrants, which I believe you meant to be tirades. 😁
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kwyjibo  +   755d ago
Doubt he got fired, probably wants to work somewhere where he can speak his mind and give personal opinions.

Should really go indie. Phil Fish seems to do OK.
sprinterboy  +   755d ago
He deserved what he got, I work for a big Sports car company in the UK and a work collegue took a pic of himself inside the car and posted on FB, he new the rules just like this guy, yes it might sound harsh but its all in the disclaimers you sign on the first day of your job start.
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Redempteur  +   755d ago
Don't say stupid sthings on the internet when you're representing a company .

Don't talk to others telling them to "dealwithit" when you're representing a company.

Don't freaking come afterward saying that it's a joke and acting arrogant.

I won't cry over you losing your job .. #DEALWITHIT
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