EDGE: "Guerrilla Games’ technical director Michiel Van Der Leeuw has dismissed the notion that PS4 is little more than a high-end PC, suggesting that those describing the console that way are ‘trolls’ and ‘fanboys’."
Ps4 is a beast and haters going to hate!!!
Yes, but I wonder why? Do they really expect people to adulate them over their multi-K gaming rigs? So weird.
I really agree with the article, Consoles are finely tuned machines they can achieve great things with lower spec hardware as their tuned to work in harmony. So you can have tuned system or raw power system, somewhat like intel vs amd. Intel has the tuned tech while amd has the raw power in the PC world. I am yet to see how the PS4 will turn out to be. Hoping for great things :)
a 30 fps beast!
Don't forget only 720p.
I'm a PC gamer, but I also love my PS3, but what I have seen from my fellow PC Gamers is saddening. PS4 I believe can be compared to a mid-high range PC from the specs I've seen. No matter what though, I will always love my Playstation for those great exclusives it always gets!
PS4 is a midrange gaming PC at best. It's a fact. While benefitting from some fixed platform advantages it will still never be as fast as a good PC. PC gamers are just disappointed about people falling for the hype that is so blatantly obvious.... That the machine is high end. When it isn't. And never will be. Hype hype hype. See through the hype. Get excited about PS4 exclusives and dismiss the idea that PS4 is somehow gonna kill PC and murder it graphically cos it just won't. Talk about PS4 games without delusional hyping and PC gamers will happily go away and play their games instead of having to be realists and point out why a lot of people don't seem to know anything about the hardware and just get sucked into the engineered hype.
Its a mobile level GPU, not high end. LMAO HYPE marketing or what? Look @ the numbers, mid range-low end hardware. Number never lie, low end is low end; good luck getting 1080p @ 60fps. PC masterace.
Good luck for you getting better games, and don't forget too look @ ubisoft game demo, and try to get that kind of graphism with a "mid/low end pc"..
hmmmm I think we all know what happened last time anyone tried to claim there was a master race don't we?...
People aren't hating, they just think it's funny that people believe it's a high end PC. It's a mid range PC at best. There's a difference between hate and trying to inform people of their disillusion. The problem is that any time Sony fanboys hear anything besides "SONY IS TEH MOST POWERFUL EVER!!!!" they get offended and think they are being hated on.
This is the issue it's specs if it were a pc, would be mid-high at best. BUT IT ISN'T A FUCKING PC. So therefore it IS achieving similar graphics to a high end PC (note GPU's like titan im not counting as high end but as 'elite' a class above the rest-put you pay the premium for that. And they aren't referring to the people that say it's not hat powerful- there are plenty of Pc gamers coming on articles and unprovoked being all "oh ha well I have my rediculously overpriced "blah bla blah" and it can run that game with barely noticeably better graphics, and I can see every follocule on my characters arse, and it all runs at a frame rate so much higher than any eye can possily notice without being told" - thats what pisses people off also there's a way to say stuff and there's a way not to say it- often people do the latter of those and are just rude. Fact is most people are comparing it to te current gen and it is a fair bit better than that-so people are happy don't try and persuade people who want a console that pc gaming is better because it's probably not for them; generally to get the best PC fir gaming you have to be quite technically savvy, and often build the rig yourself, plus pay alot more than you do for a console....
Thank you "extermin8or" for proving a point I have often made regarding the "passion" of console gamers. I'm not arguing anything of the likes. I just think fanboys need to take a deep breath and stop talking specs like they are the end all. When Sony fanboys stop calling the PS4 more powerful than a PC then PC gamers will stop trying to bring people back to reality. By the way, Sony fanboys are total hypocrites. You guys totally bash Nintendo and its' systems for being underpowered, but then you play the "it's all about the games" or the "consoles are a lot more optimised than PCs" card whenever PC comes up. And you're right about those two points, which is why it's so ironic how much you guys bash Wii Us hardware. Stop talking specs. Game on.
My PC is Godzilla and haters going to hate!!!
The point is the bridges that cause problems with pc gaming and slowdowns on pc rigs do not exist on PS4.
On a pc you need more powerful hardware to get the same result.
Should be a good system.
Ok so I'm not going to say anything against any of the consoles at all, however, I will speak up for my PC. The reason why some games run slower is because developers intentionally optimize a title for the console based on the programming language they utilize. Meaning that if game developers focused on programming titles on Linux like they are supposed to, rather than trying to program on Windows, the games on PC would far surpass the games on console. However, that's the biggest difference. The thing you have to notice is how well the data is handled on the PC and the Ps3. The PC ported titles are far worse than the Ps3 is because of how badly each code is refined. It has nothing to do with the hardware, because in the end, people yet realize that hardware work with a software in order to make it as optimum as possible, rather than cheap façade.
Battlfield 3 ran better on ps3 over xbox360, who a pc like architecture.
@Muerte2492 What are you talking about? Battlefield 3 was customized for all three consoles very well, one because it's a huge multiplayer franchise, and two, because Dice has a reputation to uphold in PC gaming. Also, if you are making the argument that Xbox 360 architecture is similar to the PC's architecture, you are clearly mistaken. Battlefield 3 for the PC runs better than the Xbox 360 version is because of the hardware that's inside the Xbox 360. The Ps3 is able to tolerate this because of it's overall better hardware. The PC is able to bring better graphics, gameplay and overall networking because, one it's a PC, and two, Dice definitely worked hard on the PC version as compared to the other two.
The PC extremist are coming...the PC Nazis are here to hate.
Pointing out that the PS4 isn't a high end PC isn't the same as hating. PC gamers are not hating on the PS4. Why does it even matter whether or not PS4 is high end or not? The original PS and the PS2 were both the weakest of their respective generations, but they also had some of the best games of all time. Sony fanboys, stop getting offended. PC gamers are not hating on you guys or the console. We just think you guys are severely disillusioned about how powerful the PS4 is.
I wish Sony had consulted N4G users on this system as it seems (according to the comments section) that every developer was wrong with their advice and input on the PS4.
They should have asked the PC elitists that way we would have a 2000$ console. -sarcasm- Motorola RAZR i
For the record you can build a really great PC gaming rig for between 600 and 800. And the thing about a PC is you can use it for things besides gaming like... using N4G........ or doing work/schoolwork.
*grabs popcorn* brace yourself for the basement dwelling PC Nazis. I think i'll take my chances with the AAA Sony inhouse dev. The ps4 will be a beast.
According to you, I am one of the PC Nazis. And guess what! I am German too! :D The best thing about the PS4 is, that there will be a PS4 emulation for PC. And on topic: The PS4 is not at all a high end PC. I have a decent PC with an i7 and only one GTX680 and not one single game on PS4 will look or perform better on the PS4 than on a good PC that is allready one year old. I am a SONY fan, I really am. I own two PSPs, two PS2s and two PS3s and a Bravia and I was among the SONY defenders when all the Xbots came over SONY and when Gabe Newell told SONY to scrap the desaster, the PS3 was in his eyes. It's absolutely ok that you guys are happy that a new console releases soon, but all your knowledge on tech things is nothing but the result of hype creating misinformation. The PS4 will be a dedicated games machine. And it will be limited like anything is allways limited. And BF4 will be 720p with 24 players and we PC Nazis as you like to insult us will be playing in 1080p and higher resolutions with 60fps or more and we will have true battles and the real "Battlefeeld" with 64 players. Zis waas told you by ze german PC Nazi.
Respect for you enthusiasm :) But I do hope ps4 bf4 is 64 players please dice please
Next generation won't be about raw power. You'll see features that will change the way we play forever.
everyone knows it.. nothing new
I reallllly want to know, why in the world do PC gamers think they are the best in the world? Games are games, stop downing home consoles. Let's just all play a damn game together, it's childish.
They are just po'ed because they got to be top dogs for the past few years as the ps3 and 360 really started to show their age. Now we are on the cusp of the next generation where consoles get games that look as good as anything the top 10% of pcs can render. They don't want console games to look better when they have spent so much on their rig. They have also got to enjoy a resurgence of popularity for the pc over the last few years because of how long this generation dragged on. That is all about to come crashing down around November when next gen starts. Their frustration is understandable I guess.
Well said...The ps4 is coming and the pc lovers hate it.
"...where consoles get games that look as good as anything the top 10% of pcs can render. They don't want console games to look better when they have spent so much on their rig." First of all: dreamer! The games that come to PS4 will not look and perform as good as on good gaming PCs that are 1 to 2 years old now. And second: I really don't care what my PC costs. That's because I can easily afford it. Play less games work hard and You'll be able to afford a real beast of a PC yourself. And last but not least: I hope You console only gamers will get at least really well performing games in the coming gen. Because that was it, what made me give up console. I've had enough of those lousy no AA and 30 frames and below stuttering crap. Console is good, PC is better. And stop dreaming! Upcoming games will always look and perform and play better on PC.
Well, there are fanboys just like you, but they choose a pc. lol Seriously, you don't really believe that guy, you know it's only marketing and propaganda. Anyone with two brain cells knows it, you can't build a system without bottlenecks. There's no need to explain it further, you guys (fanboys) choose to believe whatever Sony, Ms, Nintendo or even a favorite developer tells you. If those companies where a religion, we would have World war 3 by now.
"If those companies where a religion..." That's a pretty far comparison. Apples and oranges man. If my phone was my girlfriend she'd be glowing a lot more. Silly right?
Being a fanboy isnt bad. What makes it bad is that bashing other systems. Console gamers dont care about PC only gamers and yet these "PC Elitist" comments negative things about consoles in articles such as this. Tell that to two brain celled people if the games and PS4 comes out in november. Even the 6yr old PS3 can still handle itself producing latest games with great graphics. How much more if the PS4 comes out?? Its not a religion, Its a Hobby.
BF3 on the 6 year old PS3 looks like utter sh!t. Face it!
Wrong. Games are superior on PC.
Actually you're wrong. The PS4 will be a huge improvement over last generation, though it's still playing catch up to PCs - that's okey though, PCs double their power every 18th month, a console could never keep up with that, it's however unimportant. Games today are generally made for consoles and PCs gets ports, sure we do get a bit better bling and higher resolution but it's really quite underwhelming for what the hardware really can do. "PC elitist" as you all call them is actually quite happy about the PS4 (I know I am) cause now, finally, after playing games that looks the same it have been for at least 5 years we will get something fresh and improved, something our hardware can take a bite out of having being starved on crumbs for so long! I adore the PS4 for that (even though I'll probably never buy one). The problem is that it's actually mostly the "PC elitist" who have knowledge in hardware since it's of interest to us when we upgrade and so on, and it's not really for consoles due to their static nature. I understand that you can't build a 1500$ and sell it to the masses and unless you're a stupid child sitting with a PC or an unknowing console gamer you probably wont know that. Facts: PCs are already today more powerful than the PS4 and Nextbox, also a fact: It doesn't matter - Let's just all be happy that we finally get an upgrade in our great gaming universe!
"This balancing of PS4’s architecture and the use of complimentary components make it simpler to work with, said Van Der Leeuw. “Whereas if you have a PC very often your buffs, or your express buffs are very slow compared to your video RAM which is GDDR5 and your main RAM then is even slower than that, but you compensate by sticking buffers in there… there’s a lot of things to contemplate in the fact that it is a replaceable-parts architecture. This [PS4] is where all of the parts are designed to work together, naturally.” This is why I believe development for the ps4 will be more dev friendly & will lead to great ports from 3rd party devs & if the build it from the ps4 1st in mind it wont be that complicated compared to the ps3 & u already know how sony's 1st party studios are going to get down. They will show the true potential of the ps4. Look to be stunned by killzone shadow falls as a launch title.
meaning PS4 is easier to develop for than PC ? wow PC Nazis will not like that..
That is a very interesting assumption. So since we use pcs to develop for the ps4 how would that even be possible? I'll give you it is easier than none x86 development. What is important to see is they set the limit of the resolution and framerate so if you stay in certain limits every thing should work just fine. It is good hardware but once the benchmarks start his argument falls apart because high end pcs and even mid range will be running unreal engine 4. It's good the cool aid is working though. It just means we get a real apu faster after the Sony fans foot the R&D cost.
Well GG made sure it does not have bottlenecks .. And is easy since the PC has bottlenecks and the PS4 does not, it does have limitations like you say their limit as we know so far is for those good visual the game has to run 1080p 60fps and to even push better graphics they could even work on 30fps or 720p. The PC like always has the raw power that maybe onl one game every 4 years may use and that one game is just a average I can bet. But the PC has bottlenecks and is limited, is a fact that PC gakes must run on low end PC's. And is a sad true.. PC's are and will be holding back mutiplataform next gen games.. You can't argue this points since they are facts
@Arak How dumb can you be? PS4 games are developed on PCs then ported over to the PS4[just like all games. and about your asinine comment about PCs holding back what the PS4 can do. How can a far more capable machine hold back an inferior one graphically?? PS4 will be nice but could you PLEASE stop drinking so much of the Kool-Aid?!! DAMN!! SMH
Console games without the jaggies is pretty much where PC games are at the moment. If I were a PC gamer I would welcome the innovations in AI, Physics set in Rich Game Worlds that will be driven by the next wave of consoles. Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking PC's but the industry is driven by Consoles and the spec they put down is the spec games are tailored to for the next 5 years, you can smooth out the jaggies increase the frame rate but the experience will be the same.
Technically; the experience is better but the mechanics are the same.
I dont see any jaggies in uncharted series and the upcoming last of us and Beyond 2 souls which is amazing I cannot believe PS3 can still do it.
can some one please explain why pc fan boys are certain ps4 will run games at 30fps? Do they have a crystal ball next to there Wank tissues?
I was wondering the same thing. When was this revealed that ps4 games will run at 30 fPS at 720p. When PC's from what PC fanboys say they were running 1080p 60 fps 3d years ago. Why wouldn't the ps4 be able to achieve that. I don't get it. That was old tech when they were saying such blasphemy.
Because devs would rather put more visual flair than higher framerates with limited hardware. This is the rule, not the exception.
i have a high end gaming pc and a ps3 with over 200 games, i play my ps3 more, go figure it aint all about graphics )
Is it just me? Or does the title for the article just screams "flamebait" ?
Screams 'front page material' to me. Which is a shame, because the actual content was interesting.
Why waste time talking to them.i mean all i hear is p.c crap but no real talk about p.c games.what was the last big p.c game that came out simcity? really!no gear's, no god of war,you beg for developers to port games to the p.c. trust me when i say,p.c guy's have nothing to really look forward to.E3 in june so we can talk about all the great p.c games coming out.yay! stfu! console's run gaming.what the ps4 did was take a note from MS to make games development an easy process.less money,less time and easy portability.name me ten good games coming out this year only for the p.c? don't get me wrong console's can't compete with the raw power of the p.c's but if we didn't have the xbox or playstation and nintendo were would gaming be?
cant we all just get along? :( have both!
Bubbles+ this site's fanboys are a joke. EVERY console is outdated before it's even released, come on people, this is common sense. Sadly there's fools who will believe PR BS like this and then there's idiots who will find the need to state what I wrote before but in a trolling fashion. Again, all consoles without exception are outdated at any given time, that shouldn't stop you from enjoying your good time with them, so STFU and go play instead of spewing BS on N4G.
The console fanboys are not the one spewing crap like yourself. Just like I said being a fanboy isnt bad. What makes it bad is that when you start bashing other fanboys or systems. And thats what PC elitist are doing. They are the ones starting the fights and arguments. Coming into articles like this and saying "PC wins suckers". Console fanboys dont care about PC gamers so my advice to everyone, Leave other fanboys alone with their own world. PC fans leave console fans alone and console fans leave PC fans alone. Thats it.
cant we all just get along? No we can't because PC master race full of Crap they are worst than apple fanboys
This guy works for a company owned by Sony. Therefore he has no reason whatsoever to be biased! Yay! /s
I do not understand why PC gamers are so angry that the PS4 was designed to be similar to a PC. It's what the developers wanted. If developers want a console to have a structure like a PC shouldn't you guys be happy about it cause it gives a higher chance that more games will cross over. Since many developers use consoles as lead platforms for their games having a PC infrastructure means better performance on all systems. Look you guys are getting games like Dark Souls 2, Metal Gear Solid GZ, GTAV & many more that in the past would've never made it over to PCs & if it did there would be performance issues like what happened with Dark Souls original. Look if you PC gamers want to be on Sony's good books than maybe that petition to have 'The Last of Us' on PC which has over 900 signatures may happen. http://petitionbureau.org/t...
They're angry about someone trying to pass off a console that costs around $500 as a high-end PC. In certain respects, both sides are right. The PS4 isn't a high-end PC hardware wise. On the other hand, 5 years from now, the PS4 will be running games that a high-end PC from today might struggle with. As far as the games are concerned, both groups should be happy. Should be, but aren't, as can be seen from the mud slinging from both sides in the comments.
PC games CAN (on the right rig) look better. But having a £300 graphics card doesn't make the AI better, and it doesn't make the story more engaging and it doesn't make the gameplay better. Yes there are some amazing looking games, and they run smoother, but that's it. They don't push gameplay. What's the last PC exclusive that pushed gameplay?
War Thunder, Natural Selection II, Chivalry Medieval Warfare, Company of heroes series, Primal Carnage, eurotruck simulator (lol), farming simulator (further lols), Arma II & III, warframe, Hawken, Carrier Command, Skyrim (modded), Planetside 2, Red Orchestra 2, Star Conflict, Sins of a solar empire rebellion. And those are just some taken from my steam library not to mention the thousands of games getting pushed through on greenlight and the large number of independent games popping up. PC has a bright future and a fantastic roster of games that people try to down play because they havent seen them advertised on TV. And this is not a childish competition so stop comparing the lot of you, I just found your comment incredibly misinformed and ignorant. PS4 will be great and so will PC and yes I will own them both and sit back with my popcorn and watch as deluded fanboy nazis from both sides try to prove their superiority.
Please explain how each game pushed its gameplay. If you are gonna start name calling at least back it up, rather then just writing a list.
War Thunder pushed boundaries by introducing a flight sim experience to a broader audience, It also evolved in game economies seen in games like world of tanks and it has evolved the free to play marketplace. Natural selection 2 is a unique blend of RTS and FPS like a blend of counterstrike and starcraft if you will and it pushes methods of teamwork with a commander relying on the FPS players and vice versa. Chivalry is one of the very few first or third person medieval combat games with an intuitive combo and blocking system making use of keyboard and mouse flexibility and also innovating in the multiplayer melee combat genre of which there is virtually no games. The Company of heroes series always have great historically accurate campaigns following the stories of commanders during WWII and the difficulties they faced from all perspectives, it also features incredibly deep combat with each unit performing realistically i.e inexpereinced soldiers will panic and become less effective while vetern troops are far more valuable and they perform far better. The new company of heroes also features weather effects which threaten to freeze and kill your men as well as disabling your vehicles i.e a tank can get snowed down and stuck. Eurotruck Simulator while being a joke to some actually allows users to level and build up their own trucking business and perform all sorts of complicated business tasks as well as being given full operation of a truck. Farming simulator is actually incredibly in depth and goes right down into the details of farming while again a joke to some it is so expansive you simply cannot sum up a sim game in a paragraph. The arma series makes battlefield look like a childs play ground with literally thousands of interactions and movement options and virtually limitless ways to approach an objective, it also features a mission editor and mods which always push gameplay. warframe is another free to play title which tries to freshen up the third person genre by adding unique ways to traverse the environment such as wall running, back flipping and it also hosts a unique way to upgrade your character and it can be played co-op. Hawken is an online mech game that pushes for multiplayer and it also innovates throug unique mech abilities and builds upon and improves drastically upon other mech titles. Carrier command is an RTS were you can jump in and control your units yourself and you have a game of cat and mouse trying to find the enemy carrier and destroy it through an archipelago of islands each offering unique resource bonuses. Skyrim with mods speaks for itself really with people creating whole new adventures within the game, look up moonpath to elswer. Planetside 2 is a massive FPSMMO with thousands of player per server all fighting over several continents....if that is not pushing gameplay I don't know what is. Red orchestra 2 is yet another sim and to in depth to sum up in a paragraph yet again but it is the first shooter in years to be able to build atmosphere and tension in a multiplayer round. Star conflict is like war thunder except it is in space and has a few of its own gameplay quirks like corporations you can fight for. Sins of a solar empire is an RTS that is simply out of this world, you start off with small resources and one planet but you have to expand throughout an entire galaxy or star system basically building an empire as you go. It is to big to comprehend. Dont try to downplay a platform just because you are annoyed I have completely and utterly proved you wrong. Backed up enough for you?
Nope because you have not once named a game that pushed gameplay due to graphics.
Which was my point.
P.S what makes you think I'm annoyed I am actually laughing at you buddy ;)
Great list of games man.
Lol he gave you a hint of how these pc games pushed gameplay in its genre without mentioning graphics and you still have nothing to counter it, but to show you're obvious fanboyism. Lol what a joke! Get out of here already lol.
@mr_writer85 "Please explain how each game pushed its gameplay." Don't see where you said "pushed gameplay due to graphics". If that's your point you should make it clear.