Ahead of February US NPD sales figures, Microsoft has told Next-Gen that it expects the PlayStation 3 to have outsold Xbox 360 last month, but calls the win a "hollow victory."
yeh they know
WTF? Look at Greenberg's comment:
"Greenberg says that when Xbox 360 has been in stock, Microsoft’s console has outsold PS3 two-to-one “every single month.”
How does he explain the fact the PS3 outsold the 360 in 2007?
Like claiming dominance after a 1 year head start? “That’s not a surprise to us. I don’t know what Sony’s reaction will be to that, but it will definitely be a bit of a hollow victory. The competition sure didn’t show up [in February].” So MS can claim Victory when PS3 didn't show up for an entire year?
Why are you always the first one to comment on ps3 vs. 360 articles???
1STKNIGHT, are you mad because he beats you here?
it seems damage control- on denial- active sweating- buckets fear- engaged 2007- good but this is 2008 peaked to soon- full throttle outcome- bad
How many 360's is their production line making in a day 10.They have been out since January.I mean really!
yes, i do find it funny when people say the 360 sold more, the userbase is bigger, more software gets sold and it's in the lead. it's illogical not to factor in the 1 year head start. i'm not interested in how the consoles do their first 2 years out. I want to see how long they last years from now.
“You can go to any given store and happen to find some consoles there" marinelife <~~~ slowly raises his hand to ask a question If one can go into any given store and find consoles on the shelf how could that possibly affect your sales negatively?
What happened to your first name? Did you lose all of your bubbles? Why did you change it? Microsoft is trying to pretend that going into year 3 the demand is SO EPIC that it has shortages, like they couldn't figure it out all this time. its AMAZING that there is a shortage, yet they are like 10th worldwide behind the atari jaguar.(exaggeration) but there is no Wii like shortage demand driving the 360's "shortage" excuses that are convenient to use when they are pinned in a corner. Since MS has decide to drive the console "WAR" in the first place, they can NEVEr admit for 1 second that "Well the ps3 outsold us, that means we have to do more things on our behalf!" no its "THATS IMPOSSIBLE, WE HAVE 1000+ GAMES AND WITH XNA You CAN CREATE YOUR OWN GAMES JUST LIKE LITTLE BIG PLANET ITS SO EASY** (**with 5 years of c++ experience). Its just ridiculous, they wont give any ground up even if its just professional competition. I'm calling it right now, there will be a 360 shortage all of 08, 09, and until MS decides to do what they did with the Xbox1. I comment first because thats the way I decided its going to be :)
blademask, he started new account i believe.
does it matter?
Since december 2007 i haven't seen comments from all the old friends that support xbox ....
i do miss them to tell you the truth...but meh HD-DVD, NPD jan, now NPD feb....and GTA IV coming with GT5P...(list can go on for 4 years), i really don't think they will come back as often as they did last year(or maybe they can open another account with a PS3 gamertag!)...
well o well...to me i am just waiting for the PS3 to surpass Wii(or if it doesn't its all fine....i mean well even if the sale is on par, i will take a console with games @ average rating of 7 over 3.5 at any time..)
@blademask so so true.extremely well said. Msoft just needs to shut up and get back to the fundamentals of this industry like nintendo and sony are doing. Just make some games. They feel like every achievement needs to be praised to show msoft superiority or some BS like that. Even sony despite coming so close to the wii, you didn't see them bragging about it. Because its nothing to brag about. The fact that sony has covered far more ground than MSoft in EU despite their one yr lead do you see them bragging... NO. You don't see themselves constantly comparing themselves with the competition. Microsoft games need to grow up and stop acting like a bunch of babies. Next they will be telling us i should pre order GTA4 for some gamer pics GTFO here. I am sure there will also be Xbox 360 shortages on June 12.
I think you see less because this site is so pathetically pro-Sony/anti-Microsoft that it's pointless to try and have a decent conversation anymore.
I wish Microsoft would stop being its own defence force before the public even knows the NPD results.
Well them making this kind of statement is win-win for MS. If Sony sells more they'll just say it was supposed to happen, if Sony sells less then they'll act totally surprised and say they beat them even WITH "shortages", and then tell everyone to wait for April to see the 360 outsell Sony even more.
That is the truth, no one really knows the sales yet. All Msoft knows is they under performed and they are spinning damage control before the results are even out. What a bunch of punks
GO into THE DUST IN THE SAND in The SKY
FFX- Otherworld (yes turn to ashes)
when the PS2 was obliterating Xbox sales did Sony rub it in M$'s faces? no, now when M$ has a lead in the console war (only because of the year head start) they start claiming that they have the better console, and are proclaiming that they won this console war already
They rubbed it in everyone's faces.
I hate the people that are bad losers
There is a shortage. A shortage of people who want to buy a 360.
no steve, u win. Thanks for the ipod, Great stuff, not iphone though.
The I-Phone is the best smart phone i have come across. Its the first simple smart phone i have come across.
in Feb, MS declared shortage before NPD data announced. in Mar, MS declared hollow victory for PS3 before NPD data announced. What's next.
Oh wait, they just used that one. =P
Next... MS declares that its Windows operating systems are reliable.
Expy you shouldn't say such things! I am going to have bad dreams for a month now! =/
while the competition didn't even show up. I dont remember MGS or a HALO like PS3 title on the scale of advertising and anticipation being released, does anyone else? So i guess its fair to say MS HAD better games when Sony didn't show up.
MS claim Sony are paying off NPD
Well, if you look at my game library, 23 xbox 360 games, compared to just 3 with ps3. So, in my humble opinion, I think the xbox does have better games. (I've had both of them for some time now).
Nazisoft- you truly have the business sense of a ROTTING CABBAGE! MWAH-HA-HA-HA!!!
in Apil,May,June,July,August,Sep, Nov,Dec will outsell 360 worldwide.
But they can call it a hollow victory, Because they have Ms Have the hollow console,(no Blu-ray included) HD-DvD's no longer made.
Oh dear, sounds desperate microsoft.
Next you'll be telling us, Blu-ray isn't nextgen(oops you've already done that)
Ok, then next you'll be telling us, the ps3 will never have better graphics, oops, you've already done that, but were proven wrong with the best lighting,shadowing,waterfx in a game(uncharted).
And your exlclusives i've played on my better pc:)
MS just needs to just keep the flame comments to themselves i mean even with all the bad console problems they had with the 360, they are still doing pretty well and much better than xbox 1, and to even be around this long and have support from good developers they should atleast be happy instead of making excuses because PS3 outsold it 2 months in row and they have been doing good numbers for a year or two on the market.
Microsoft hasn't built that brand loyalty that Sony and Nintendo have over the past decade. Microsoft thinks that slapping their name on an item will cause consumers to swoon over their merchandise when this isn't happening at all. They're not understanding that respect is given where it's due. They haven't done anything to earn the respect of gamers worldwide. Nintendo practically converted the entire video gaming industry into what it is today along with another legendary company called Sega. Sega is no longer a part of the home console market, but they've gone out with an extremely high level of respect by gamers worldwide, but if they ever were to return to the market, they would be a serious force of competition to both Nintendo and Sony. Microsoft is just only now making baby steps and they're already crowning themselves king, 'king of what?' is the question I would like answered. They haven't done anything to be considered a valuable and contributing assest to the gaming industry. These sort of immature comments similar to school-yard sissy fights are really starting to make them a popular comedy attraction and I'm enjoying every minute of it.
com'on, this is just sad. There's no shortage, like the x-bots that's complete BS.
Why don't they just sell off the millions of un sold 360 in Japan. Oh wait, guess they can't, everyone wants a PS3!
better idea why dont they just shipped all the unsold 360's in Japna and Europe to NA..?
360's are region coded.
I don't know why people don' tbeleive there are shortages.
IN DEc over 1.5 million 360s were sold. Maybe MS just underestimated what was needed for Jan and feb.
I remember seeing stories in Jan saying the xbox is hard to find. Why are people acting like those stories weren't around.
You don't outsell your comp 2.1 at xmas and then all of sudden start losing in sales.
Actually it was only 1.51 to 1 and that was only in NA. Region coded or not they claim to have been short for going on 60 days. Can't they make more? How long do they need?
Isn't software quality, hardware specs, hardware reliability, nor Online Service quality. Nope. Their only advantage now is number of Xbox Live members versus PSN members, which is 10 million versus 6.5 million and closing. I'm actually not sure how they're going to survive past 2008...
You mean those 6.5 mln. accounts right? With each PSN member having at least 3 accounts from different regions, or even more just because... It's free
Software quality is still on 360's side. 95% of all multiplatform games run best on the 360. The other 5% are games like Burnout Revenge, that are made on the PS3 and ported to 360, but still look equal. While 360 to PS3 ports suck.
The most on and over 90% exclusive games are on the 360. PS3 has only one game on 90%, Uncharted.
Hardware specs? You mean the overhyping Sony does? When in reality the PS3 and 360 can put out about the same?
You'll see with the new pricedrops how the 360 is going to sell. And Christmas will be 360 all over again, with Gears of War 2
bcuz the ps3 won dec 07. so uh thanks for that tidbit of stupidity
How far does the rabbit hole go down? Seriously, saying the 360 is better than the PS3 hardwarewise is so fanboyish it begs the question of sanity. That's like saying an automatic transmission is the same as a manual transmission. While they might be roughly equal in power, and the Automatic is easier to use, someone with the skills and knowledge of how to use a manual transmission will always get better results with a manual. There is a reason high end cars don't come equiped with automatics, you know that right? Anyway, have fun in wonderland.
No, the 360 won December 07 in NA which the NPD covers. Sony got their first NPD victory over the 360 in January and now it's looking like February as well.
If this doesn't light a fire under MS then they can expect the damage to get worse.
The only people who have 3 accounts to access all regions are people that come to gaming sites like this (you and I). The majority of the PS3 gaming public will wait patiently for items to come to their region specific store.
anyday i would take 3 accounts FREE compared with 2 accounts each charged 50 bucks/year for one console...siblings wanting different acount, MS has been telling you 50 bucks please...and on the other side its FREE on PS3
When are you going to get your PS3? I know you want God of War 3 in 2009. lol
They need all they can cause when june comes around....well u guys kno what's gonna happen a little thing called MGS4!
Yeah boy! I'll be adding a second PS3 to my household. =oD
funny how everyone reacts on these articles...this site is becoming less about the actual games everyday with the the postings of 10 sites showing the same sale news over and over.....
Be happy with all the consoles cuz if each of them wasnt different that would just be boring...and hell without MS we would still be playing games by ourselves and online would still be where it was....
you will see a "shortage of buyers" like my bro "yea" said in the open zone for 360. All the 360 models have been in stock online and in Best Buy all of febuary! The Playstation 3 is in the tipy top internationally on amazon.
Something ELSE is going on worldwide that sure isn't "hollow". I would call your 1 year lead "hollow" but what sense does that make. Win or Lose: pick one.
Good luck. you will need it. :)
Yeah you are right and heres the proof that my pal eagle is right: http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-... http://www.amazon.com/360-E... http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-... All the models listed are above are in stock and waiting to be bought
want to get in the middle of you two's love relationship or anything but why you think the world revolves around Amazon.com is beyond me. Yes they are a large online retailer but 360's need to be on store shelves in order to sell the most effectively.
Not only that in comes in at #61 on the bestsellers list.
But the case is that the 360 was ALWAYS in the top 20-40 of amazon (america only) until christmas DAY. I have checked everyday since then...PS3 would move in and out the top (in america) and now they are CEMENTED in the top 10-20 since christmas...That is worth mentioning...Even SOLD OUT and sellers were charging $550.00-599.99 for the 80 gb (which sells for $499.99) and people are still buying it keeping it in the top 20..lol I'd say things have changed. The wii stays sold out but in the top, the 360 is in stock and not, the PS3 whether in stock or sold out is in the top..The elite is in stock and lost and the arcade is in stock in the bermuda triangle...lol
Amazon is the LARGEST online retailer. And although I agree that sales rank on Amazon doesn't necessarily = sales at B&M retail they are a good indication of available stock. For example Amazon has never had Wii systems for sale since its release for more then 20-30 minutes before they are all snapped up.
Even I can say this does not sound good. It sounds like damage control to me and let me say that there is no "hollow" victory in a war.
How can the Wii which really is supply constrained(artificially created by Nintendo is debatable) continue to beat the pant's off the PS3 and 360?
MS is not doing their public image any favors by doing these pre-emptive press talk's a day or hours before the NPD comes out.
Sony will look at this as a victory, avg. consumers won't really care, fanboys will use it like gas on a fire.
MS you are losing your grip in your main market month after month. If you get beat again in March and April it will be clear that you are just getting beat plain and simple.
The 360 was fine on the market when there was no next gen competition but that didn't stop the ps2 to outsell it every month the whole first year in North America with the exception of two. But Sony is hard hitting Spring with mega exclusives like MLB 08: The Show and Hot Shots Golf 5, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, Haze, Metal Gear Solid 4, etc. plus every other big multiplatform title. Plus the Dualshock 3 and online is free :)...and then all the games are on Blu-ray with High definition movies as icing.
If the tables were reversed and 360 started gaining tremendous ground after a 1 year lead by PS3?..I don't think Sony would call it hollow.
is claiming supply constraints for Jan/Feb. They did so a while ago to help "explain" why they are loosing in NA to the PS3. Didn't they also just say that these "constraints" could last into March as well? I know VG chats is only guesswork but, I didn't see any turnaround this last week did you? Either way ... you're correct in saying this constant PR/Damage control BS is only making them look bad. Some threads down there's an article where MS is claiming superiority in games and functionalities. They did something similar a week or so ago. It's becoming pretty consistent. It's like they know the PS3 is gaining steam. They know the PS3 is gaining many of the strong points that MS once held exclusively last year (achievemnet, LIVE, Rumble, Tons of Games). They know BD won as they try to downplay that as much as possible too. It just looks like they're scrambling for some reason right now.
perception of this damage limitation statement sounds like the ice is cracking underneath them. Good point
Damage control isn't for the consumer. It's for the stock holders. While we might be skeptical of what they say, if I were a stockholder I would rather hear it from them now than later.
Also, on supply constraints. Major retailers probably aren't supply constrained yet, but smaller retailers are probably where the constraints are going to come off last, and probably a lot more in big cities where a lot of people buy things. Then you have to remember that M$ only sees the supply going out to retailers, not the supply at retailers.
It's very possible that retailers are putting in large orders that M$ can't fill; even though they still have the console in stock. As a consumer you wouldn't be affected a lot, but it would affect a stockholder a lot more.
I'm not saying I necessarily believe all of that (I think it would have a small effect), I'm just trying to show there might be some truth behind what they say. Sure it could be exagerated, but what company doesn't do that?
edit: forgot to add. It's also likely that M$ shifted a large supply of 360's to Europe in anticipation of the price drop.
I understand what you're saying. I'm sure most of this has to do with appeasing their shareholders. Still ... they said supply was to be constrained for all of jan, feb and into march. Why keep saying it over, and over, and over and, over again while managing to also tell us how much their games and network functions kick ass too? If they were telling the truth then there would be no need to further explain anything.
There SINKING!!! ;-D
GOOD!!! Dirty Driods!!!
This is the start of the end;)
The 100Million+ people who own a PS2 will&do want a PS3;)
This is bullsh1t. I submitted the exact same story from joystiq and it got shot down.
Microsoft had 2 exclusive in feb, culdept saga and lost odyssey, not even those didn't help the 360. 2008 isn't very bright for 360. What a shame.