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Microsoft Said to Adopt AMD Chips for Next Xbox Console - Bloomberg

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) will use an Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD) processor in its next Xbox game console as it seeks to cut the cost of building machines and get developers to create more titles, people with knowledge of the matter said. AMD surged the most in almost two years.

The Xbox will use an AMD system-on-a-chip that combines powerful “Jaguar” central processing units with graphics chips, said one of the people, who sought anonymity because the plans aren’t public. The shift to the so-called x86 format ubiquitous in modern personal computers means Microsoft will drop the Power PC technology designed by International Business Machines Corp. (IBM), and game discs made for the current Xbox 360 won’t be compatible. (Microsoft, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

GamerzElite  +   590d ago
Poor nvidia
Pandamobile  +   590d ago
Poor Nvidia, they're only swimming in the cash that rolls in from desktop and mobile GPU divisions, lol.

If AMD hadn't scored all of the console deals, they'd be in a world of hurt, whereas the only thing that Nvidia misses out on is a bit of extra profit.
BitbyDeath  +   590d ago
They must be hurting a bit considering all the crying they did a week or two ago.
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jukins  +   590d ago
haha they're not "rolling" in the cash. they're high end graphics cards are a niche market believe it or not. and as for the mobile gpu division haha samsung/qualcom say hi. nvidia, while stable for now, has been on a downhill roll for the past few years just like amd, just not as bad.

nvidia really isnt in a place where they can "miss extra profit" as you say. they're projections have fallen short quarter after quarter for a few years. I dont know any chip maker who wouldnt want to potentially sell upwards of 150+million chips along with the branding that comes with powering consoles.
SilentNegotiator  +   590d ago
Yeah, Nvidia doesn't care about missing out on profit just because it's a little more thin than they tried to demand.

/s

Seriously, convinced yourself yet? No company loses 3 massive business partners and goes "lol, who cares?" like some of their fans.
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Pandamobile  +   590d ago
They didn't "lose", they opted out.

Personally, I'm glad they did considering that could have been one of the final nails in AMD's coffin. Poor bastards lost over a billion dollars last year.
iamgoatman  +   590d ago
Get with the times Panda! It's now cool to hate Nvidia, and remember a couple of statements, although stating the obvious but still no less true, now constitutes as "crying" or being "butthurt". You know how the sheep on this site work.
M-M  +   590d ago
@Pandamobile

Talk about missing the point.
SilentNegotiator  +   590d ago
"They didn't "lose", they opted out"

They couldn't negotiate a deal to continue with 3 major clients. The completely fell out of the game console industry.

That is a loss, regardless of whether they claim to have been the ones to decide to not finalize a deal. They broke up with me, I broke up with them...doesn't matter, you lost a partner.
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scissor_runner  +   590d ago
The 8 gig ram design is done already. Ms only has to pay for it. Sony may have signed a deal for it to not come out on the pc side but they may have forgotten about the Xbox. Only amd has a patient on the design which is why they are pushing HSA and not Sony.
nix  +   590d ago
i think i've seen it all... Nvidia and AMD fanboyz. like really????? O:
Pandamobile  +   590d ago
Nobody here gave two craps about Nvidia and AMD until it was announced that AMD would produce the PS4's APU, and then Nvidia said the PS4's APU was comparable to a mid-range PC CPU or something.

Somehow N4G interprets that as Nvidia "crying".
Saigon  +   590d ago
Well, there it goes...its official. Now the other issue I saw was in the first paragraph, or was it the second. We all speculated whether or not the Next Xbox would be compatible with the previous and it looks like its not. Both Next Generation Consoles look to start from scratch. Man this is going to be interesting, when the rest of the gaming world finds out about this. Can't wait for E3.
nukeitall  +   590d ago
There is a reason why Nvidia operates at a profit, while AMD is well close to being un-investable!

I love consoles, but reality is that Nvidia has closely chosen it's business wisely. After 7-years and only $500 million on the PS3 for nvidia, that is hardly enough to put skilled engineers on the task, when they could be building that $500 million profit *yearly* product.

I know all you "fans" don't want to hear that, because it hurts your feelings, but AMD is in this, because AMD *needs* the business, not because they necessarily wants it.
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geassdanny  +   590d ago
Expect more cry baby news from Nvidia soon!
SephirothX21  +   590d ago
AMD are over 100 million in debt whereas Nvidia is booming.

http://www.bit-tech.net/new...

Yeah they're butthurt all right.
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givemeshelter  +   590d ago
Actually Nvidia has won very little Mobile GPU contracts with the Tegra 3. If they did not score the design win for the Nexus 7, they pretty much would have been non existent in the mobile realm. The majority of the mobile devices rocking the Tegra Line of GPU's is minimal and those phones sold less the most. Here's hoping the Tegra 4 meets expectations in sales and performance unlike the Tegra 2, and Tegra 3 SOC that failed to wow in performance.
Saying that, Nvidia is doing extremely well financially compared to AMD.
It's just their Mobile Solutions are real mediocre for Tablets and Phones.
Tegra 4 I am hoping kicks ass
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vulcanproject  +   590d ago
Nvidia is a very profitable company with cash reserves, AMD is a company teetering on major debt and struggling to find revenues against harsh competition from Intel and Nvidia.

Nvidia record profit and growth year on year: http://www.bit-tech.net/new...

http://www.technologytell.c...

AMD cashflow problems and downrating of debt by ratings companies.

I am quite sure Nvidia wouldn't mind creating a part for a console if the price was right. But knowing their current situation and AMD's I don't know why anyone would think Nvidia are in any trouble missing out on a console contract.

AMD need it badly, even on wafer thin margins.
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Dee_91  +   590d ago
@Pandamobile
I just went PC/ Laptop shopping (browsing)while I was out.
60% had Amd Hardware 35% had intel hardware give or take. I saw 1 with nvidia out of 3 stores.Walmart Best Buy & Staples.I think your talking out your rear end sir.
Either that or they are rolling in old money because right now I cant find a Laptop or PC ( in store ) with nvidia hardware if I tried.
If your not selling well overrall then sell a little more than average ofcourse your gonna see profits.Same for AMD just vice versa.
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vulcanproject  +   590d ago
Nvidia's markets are more desktop parts with OEMs and they have grown because of their mobile penetration and workstation business. Not to mention Nvidia landing major supercomputer contracts for hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of Teslas at a time. http://www.anandtech.com/sh... Like this recently for example.

But anyway, more about the consoles-

The leaks since like November last year had the next xbox down as the same CPU inside PS4, a Jaguar 8 core, but with a lesser GPU (2/3 the performance of PS4) and some additional coprocessor bits and pieces thrown in.

PS4 would be quite a bit more powerful if this is really true.
sikbeta  +   589d ago
Look at that reply, you really invested on Nvidia stocks, nevermind you sure are one of those elitists who pay 1000 US a month to change teh graphicz cardz, dat rig yo! XD

O-T

Thanks for the info we all know for Months already e_e
Donnieboi  +   589d ago
Nvidia will be alright
RumbleFish  +   589d ago
Nvidia can't be so poor, they get lots of my money every year because their GPUs really rock my house! ;)
Gamer1982  +   589d ago
Nvidia make a LOT of money these days from graphics chips in mobile phones more than graphics cards. Consoles would have been a massive coup for them but it wasn't to be. AMD will be happy for this move.
Ritsujun  +   589d ago
That's why nVitch's so mad.
hiredhelp  +   589d ago
AMD did loose alot of money last year but mainly from there Processor market.
Unlike Nvidia AMD has been around alot longer and handles alot more than GPU chips oh btw the GPU was the strongest in sales I beleave to there CPUs because of Intel.
I think AMD gonna start to shine again, backing all consoles Nintendo Microsoft and Sony is only gonna be very profitable while still doing what they do best video cards baby.
zeal0us  +   590d ago
Nvidia have itself to blame.
scissor_runner  +   590d ago
For profits in the pc market.
sikbeta  +   589d ago
Nvidia is rich as s#*t, the hell are you talking about!? you do realise there are people out there paying ONE THOUSAND US DOLLARS for the latest graphic card? ... gotta impress the other nerds on the interwebz lol
B-radical  +   590d ago
This just in.......17hrs ago

Dan ‏@superDaE 17h
@listens2music Xbox Next will most likely have backwards compatibility.
ILive  +   590d ago
Dude, give it up already.
NYC_Gamer  +   590d ago
AMD needed these console deals a lot more..AMD is on the slide and taking beatings from both Intel[cpu] and Nvidia[gpu] in the market..
You do realize Nvidia only made 500 million over 7 years with ps3? Nvidia made 1.2 billion in feb 2013 .
http://articles.marketwatch...

poor Nvidia indeed.

I am pretty sure they will beat 500 million this year in profit.

The worst cpu company making the best console nice..

Why is it that sony comes to Nvidia and nvidia says kick rock then they go amd and u say poor Nvidia?

How does this make sense?

"Nvidia turned down chance to build PS4 components"
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/r...

No lie though this will help amd not go out of business.
http://www.tomshardware.com...

@jukins
Also high end gpus are not only for games. Ever heard of movies? super computers? finding a cure for cancer? Science? Medical field? Yeah they dominate these fields.. Video games is not all there is they are doing a lot and my not want to make a tablet chip for ps4 so amd makes a tablet chips for ps4. Now brag about the tablet console.

Still getting ps4 though. Just sayin I think Nvidia will be ok like they have been for the past years.

Sony going for #1 again and amd going for #2 again.
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WUTCHUGUNNADO  +   590d ago
Bad news for physx support though... most likely to remain a tacked on extra considering Havok will most likely take off on the AMD consoles. Not to mention console ports would be heavily optimized for AMD products with the usual devs marketing Nvidia on PC which would require a $500-$1000 GPU to max out. Not to say Nvidia would have any problems considering their on the ball when it comes to driver support but usually all the games marketing Nvidia require their top of the line equipment in order to max it out on release.
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B-radical  +   590d ago
Physx would of been able to add alot of extras to gameplay if nvidia did support one of the consoles but like you said i think nvidia will do just find i myself am waiting for 700 series am currently running a 560 ti figure ill wait every 2 gen
OlgerO  +   590d ago
Yeah those poor Nvidia executives with their million dollar salaries, it seems they might not get their bonus this year. Im weeping for those poor souls.
Blaze929  +   590d ago
Nvidia is far from poor and will continue to flourish...let us all not pretend like the company hasn't been the juggernaut company it has been for these past 10 years.
Welshy  +   590d ago
Nvidia vs AMD.

The new tedious and unnecessary fanboy war to tide us over until the NextBox is announced...
Irishguy95  +   590d ago
It's hardly new/

Console fans have only found out about it and joined Amd because Nvidia didn't want a crappy business deal with Sony

Edit - Yes Welsh, I lie on the side that doesn't lie with fanboys.
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Welshy  +   590d ago
I'd say it more played second fiddle to the PS3 vs 360 loyalists and it's only come to light because there is no other Xbox to fight the PS4 at the moment.

And as i said, it's not needed (the PC or Console "wars").

And it's pretty clear to see even from my neutral angle what side of the fence you sit and why you only have 1 bubble =)
Gorilla_Killa_X  +   589d ago
@Irish
Let's act like console makers don't put out anything for companies to bid on like most other companies do. Sony turned down Nvdia's bid not the other way around.
imchuckbass  +   589d ago
Even if there were 4 consoles using AMD chips, AMD's earnings still wouldn't touch Nvidia's

Console chips are very cheap parts compared to what Nvidia sells for supercomputers

AMD are in crisis (stock price has been plummeting badly since last year), they needed these contracts, and I'm glad they got them, because competition is good. But be under no illusion, Nvidia are by far still the market leader.
TXIDarkAvenger  +   589d ago
It's not poor Nvidia.

Obviously MS would go AMD, its a no-brainer. Nvidia is proven to be better but AMD is a lot cheaper. MS and Sony don't want expensive consoles like last gen with the 360 and PS3. Nvidia is literally rolling in cash, this doesn't effect them much.
fermcr  +   589d ago
Yes, poor Nvidia. /s

They make graphics cards from low end to high end PC's, laptop graphics, motherboard chipsets, smartphone chipsets (Tegra) that sell millions and millions every year...

They have revenues in the order of billions every year...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Yes, you are absolutely right... poor Nvidia. /s

People should really put something in their head... Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo didn't go with AMD CPU/GPU because they are better, but because they were cheaper.
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nick309  +   590d ago
I guess thats why nvidia decided to release project shield
theDECAY  +   590d ago
Seems a little gimicky to me.
IcicleTrepan  +   590d ago
This is because they are trying to push their TEGRA chipset for mobile. From what I understand the TEGRA line is doing quite well.
geassdanny  +   590d ago
Tegra chips, providing your advanced mobile gaming needs whilst you on the crapper.
chukamachine  +   590d ago
Project fail.

Waste of time imo.

As for 720/PS4.

What has the games you want!

Services are everywhere now, The smart TV's have them and there are more coming.
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Theo1130  +   590d ago
So if the next xbox has 8gigs of Gddr5 ram, it will basically be the same system as the ps4.
cyhm3112  +   590d ago
you wish,haha
omi25p  +   590d ago
Yeah the 720 will still be cheaper.
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kneon  +   590d ago
The 720 likely will be cheaper because it has to be to appeal to their target market. But as all the signs point to it having at least a simple Kinect built in they will have to cut some corners somewhere.

It's unlikely that the 720 will have more horsepower than the PS4, it just doesn't make sense for them to do that.
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GraveLord  +   590d ago
That's impossible. The entire system was already designed around the limitations of DDR3 memory.

Using GDDR5 memory is a MAJOR change that would require redesigning the entire motherboard. Could they do it? YES, but they won't because it means huge launch delay.
GribbleGrunger  +   590d ago
It entirely depends on what changes Microsoft and Sony have asked AMD to make to their GPUs and how that power is used by the console. As for this article ... I'd say it could be true that MS are not too worried about what Sony have to offer because it's looking more and more likely that MS are going for a different market. I'll wager that once the initial launch is over, you'll see far more exclusive titles from Sony than even in THIS generation. Expect a Windows 8, Kinect driven TV set-top box that plays multiplatform games; whilst the PS4 will be foremost a gaming console that ALSO offers multimedia capabilities.
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M-M  +   590d ago
More or less, but it's highly unlikely that the next Xbox will have GDDR5 ram(based on rumors).
GamersRulz  +   590d ago
No, because the GPU in PS4 is more capable than the rumored X720 GPU

PS4 1.84Tflops VS Xbox720 1.24Tflops GPU.

So basically:

PS4 CPU = X720 CPU

PS4 GPU >> X720 GPU

PS4 RAM >> X720 RAM

PS4 is a monster really.
iamgoatman  +   590d ago
And you know the specs of the next Xbox's GPU, how exactly?

Oh that's right, you don't.

"PS4 is a monster really."

It really isn't. Previous generations of consoles have been able to go toe to toe with then high end PC hardware, if only for a very brief time. But when the PS4 and likely the next Xbox release, they'll already be behind. Hell, their specs are comparable to mid-range hardware TODAY, let alone 7-8 months from now.

And before anyone pipes in with 'but the optimization!' remember the 8800GT. Released soon after the current gen of consoles, and despite 6 years of optimizing and simply getting used to the hardware, they've not produced anything that GPU couldn't produce at even higher levels of fidelity. To put it into perspective, we've had that level of hardware difference around since last year.

The PS4's hardware is of course a nice step up to the ancient stuff we've been stuck with for so many years, but it's hardly "monstrous".
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Martywren  +   590d ago
I hope MS dont forget there hardcore fanbase, im looking forward too hearing wat MS going too reveal.
clintos59   590d ago | Trolling | show
WUTCHUGUNNADO  +   590d ago
Perfect Dark -1
GABRIEL1030  +   590d ago
140 million of consoles are a lot of money Nvidia.....
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Th3 Chr0nic  +   590d ago
lol console sells for 200-300. nvidia average card price is the same if not more like 400-500. all console sales are a lose when they first hit market untill they sell X number of units (usually hundreds of thousands) nVidia doesnt need consoles to make money, they have tons of other projects and products already making it for them. they realize they dont need to sell thei tech to a product that wont return a profit for months.
refocusedman  +   590d ago
U dont have to be afraid but, you do need to be mindful and respect that you have competition. Why does it seem like MS is turning into sony pre PS3 launch.
gamertk421  +   590d ago
How? Sony came out and made outlandish claims and arrogant statements by the guys in charge. All MS has done so far is say they don't respond to rumors, and to reprimand a mostly unknown rogue employee publicly for spouting off. Pretty big leap of comparison there, imo.
Martywren  +   590d ago
Can u imagine wat consoles wars would be like if nvidia and amd go at it in next consoles it would be chaos.
Pandamobile  +   590d ago
Well, technically they went at it last generation with the PS3 (Nvidia) and Xbox 360 (AMD).
ziggurcat  +   590d ago
"The shift to the so-called x86 format ubiquitous in modern personal computers means Microsoft will drop the Power PC technology designed by International Business Machines Corp. (IBM), and game discs made for the current Xbox 360 won’t be compatible."

so... no backwards compatibility then? haha.
gamertk421  +   590d ago
So they'd be the second company to have that, haha!
DeadlyFire  +   590d ago
Depends on if X360 SoC is in the system. x86 won't register an Xbox or X360 game, but if they throw the CPU+GPU die of X360 in there it might work out alright.
i3eyond the Circle  +   590d ago
Dual apu's, kinect that translates messages to other languages on the fly for a new xbox live experience, always online option for several away from home options and conveniences. At work or sleeping during a map pack release..no problem it starts without you there....yes there is a DVR...so if your away from home you can set recordings from your phone with ease.

Great U.I. up to 2 games can be minimized in their own tile with all apps and features at the tip of your fingers or tongue simultaneously.

More rumors from me tho unfortunately.... so I guess we'll have to just wait.
Jakens  +   590d ago
+bubbles
Septic  +   590d ago
Wow, you certainly made that sound appealing! MS- hire this guy now!

+bubs for interesting!
SprigganN4G  +   590d ago
Hope PS4 and 720 will carry the SAME hardware (Jaguar X86 8 CORE 2GHZ + 7970M + 8GB GDDR5)

If that happen, we will have more and better games, why? no porting between consoles (just redesign joystick scheme in a couple of minutes and that's it), instant port to PC, more profit for the devs, less 'hour per men' work.
WUTCHUGUNNADO  +   590d ago
What would be the point... People would only be able to argue about console aesthetics which would give way to people realizing how stupid their arguments are to begin with.

I don't know why sony stuck with laptop and tablet parts then shot it to the moon with the 8gbs of ram... 6gb would've been more than enough for what they showcased and they need to bump up the GPU to at least the specs of the desktop model. FTR a big chunk of performance is lost on the mobile GPU's... more so on AMD's side since they produce more heat so they downclock them considerably.(7970M is a desktop HD 7870 with HD 7850 clocks)... I can't comment on the Jaguar yet because almost nothing is known about it but tablet processors aren't exactly cutting edge impressive to begin with. Everyone needs to quit the biased loyalty they show to these big name companies when you could build something of higher quality today.
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DeadlyFire  +   590d ago
They will basically, but the motherboards themselves are built from the ground up around their design with special enhancements. X720 move engines as one example built to assist due to DDR3 and HLSL and talk of digging under the typical API's to get more out of the hardware as an example of PS4. Porting still won't be a problem on either system. x86 has been around for many years. There are so many techniques out there that developers could use to work with it. PC, PS4, X720 should be no problem at all in porting. Which could lead to some franchises that left the PC or never existed on the PC to come to the PC as well as PS4,X720. While X720 Ram is a little slower for the most part you could still see it work at about the same rate as PS4, but PS4 is undoubtedly smoother at the moment. Unless Microsoft makes a big change before announcing.

PS4 - GDD5
X720 - DDR3

Noone knows the specifics of how much RAM developers can actually toy with in the systems just yet. One might have more than the other.

CPU basically same. I personally believe it would rival my slightly old Core 2 Quad CPU from a few years ago at 2.4 Ghz. While these are somewhere between 1.6 and 2.0 Ghz. I believe the 8 cores and specialized programming should boost them beyond my rig.

GPU is built around APU design with CU. They are utilizing CU mores so than basing anything on a specific GPU design. If anything though I would guess its based around AMD 7750 or 8750's CU. So its like starting from scratch. Each CU is basically 102.4 Gigaflops. MS could add a few more CU before unveiling.

PS4 has 18 CU = 18 x 102.4 = 1843.2 Gigaflops
X720 has 12 CU = 12 x 102.4 = 1228.8 Gigaflops
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creized1  +   590d ago
If they do have the same exact hardware then it will all be down to Exclusives.
We can clearly see the winner here...
And no not speaking like a fanboy but you can clearly see why Sony has the upper hand on this unless MS does something about it, but judging on what they been doing the past few years, they just care about the money therefore just milking their franchises
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FrigidDARKNESS  +   590d ago
Keep an eye on MS AMD partnership at the unveiling of the next xbox in May. MS will hv the last laugh in this and thumb there finger at Sony noses.
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DEEBO  +   590d ago
xbox this,xbox that, really people! the first xbox was a beast.harddrive,bettter graphics i mean you can really tell the difference not like now when the screen is darker then the other.here is a tip rgb settings that you're t.v really supports and brightness,contrast lol.ps3 was better system from games to graphics.last gen the 1st xbox was a better system but not in the games department and that's what really matters.sony has the games this new generation sony won't make the same mistake this time even through they finally made-up for that year xbox had but it took seven years.now they are both coming out around the same time MS has the USA and maybe the U.K but sony runs it world wide.a new kinect and halo#5 or 6 is not enough.i hope kinect does well to be honest.USA has a obesity that we need to get under control.but all i read is how developer's love the ps4, so before i listen to someone who thinks they know games because they just paid for a new graphics card.i'm going to go with the people who went to school and really makes games for a livng.
lema008  +   590d ago
So both consoles agree AMD is their chip maker. This just might save AMD from going bankrupt. The article should have said, " feeling little competitive pressure from Nintendo. "

For MS not to be concern about what Sony is doing or paying attention to what the PS4 might be capable of is just plain crazy! Sony knows the gaming console business all to well, MS is going to have one heck of a fight on their hands. I'm hoping that rumor of "always on internet, to play a game" is just that a rumor or I got to serious think about what direction MS is heading and if I want to go that way.
Bar_Brothers  +   590d ago
Nvidia does not Care
Those guys killed Xbox 1 back in the day im pretty sure it was their fault Microsoft discontinued the machine why would in heart Microsoft deal with them again ?

AMD seems the best solution to both Sony and Microsoft and judging by Ps4 warly graphical vídeos, its spot on.
DoesUs  +   590d ago
Oh look, MS have also gone with AMD. Still think the leaked specs are not accurate?
YipMan  +   590d ago
Why wouldn't it be? The X360 has a AMD GPU, so why wouldn't MS stick with them for the next gen? Is it because all of a sudden Sony decided to use AMD, that it suddenly became the greatest idea of all ideas? The fanboyism on this site has gone way out of control.
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smashcrashbash  +   590d ago
Oh please. Who was it that started the 'Sony is being cheap and has no money which is why they chose AMD over Nvidia' song and dance. Don't suddenly try to play innocent now about who is a fanboy and who isn't
DoesUs  +   589d ago
Er, you have clearly misinterperated my post. My post is regarding certain people thinking MS are going Nvidia for gpu or Intel for Cpu, and also for the people thinking the leaked specs are not accurate......which they are. Please take your fanboy drivel elsewhere.
vigilante_man  +   590d ago
Tell us something we don't know.

MS & Sony CPU being the same is great for multi platform games. Especially as MS will use Bluray for game storage at least (rumours are you can't watch films or play game off Bluray in Xbox 720 - just install onto HDD - less licence cost to Sony).

Imagine how much greater some of the past games could of been without the DVD limit of 8GB.

Sony may have stronger overall power which is great for exclusives but no more lazy ports and excuses from sloppy developers. Win win!
Drekken  +   590d ago
My hate for the 360 stems from the choice of DVD format, so I'm glad they are getting with the times... But won't play movies or games off the disc is a real misstep.
TheKayle1  +   590d ago
1 - i dont know if ms is using jaguar but they being customized for sure in the xbox and we know also IBM is HIGH involved behind the durango project ( i dont know if for BC or whatelse) but i think is for BC coz:

"• Oban – migration of XBOX PowerPC chip to 32nm
Helped to develop the flow for schematic and layout migration of key circuits, and led efforts to trouble-shoot the verification-flow (in addition to passing all checks ahead of schedule). Also led analog migration of the RNG and played a key role in fixing a critical component of the circuit"
http://www.linkedin.com/in/...
and we all know OBAN chip...is involved in durango project

2 - nvidia is moving in the high end market...and this gen consoles expecially at sony (old nvidia partner with the ps3) r not pushing the hardware technology....MS gone with amd also last gen they didnt change partner so ..
fromt the article:
"At Sony’s February unveiling of the PlayStation 4, the Tokyo-based company demonstrated the controller and game play running on prototype hardware, without showing the machine. Critics including Amir Anvarzadeh, a Singapore-based manager for Asia equity sales at BGC Partners Inc., panned the lack of any “revolutionary” advances and the PS4’s emphasis on social- gaming features."

..nvidia is risking? yeah maybe but they know selling one high end card is like selling 5 low end..and nvidia as sony with the ps3 project didnt make good money...as fanboy thinks

3 - from what we know the ps4 gddr5 isnt a choice of power they cannot do in other way seen they cant spend money in R&D and produce effiency things like the Move Engines...anyway this kind of architecture take latency problems...and unified pool of memory isnt something revolutionary..we ave this from 10 YEARS in laptops.....would be revolutionary if the ram was STACKED (would give teraflops of bandwith ) and UNIFIED...but this isnt the case

4 - from what we read on vgleaks (1 years old documents) everything could change..coz ms was running two or three prototype with different power waiting to choose wich one go in production..maybe we know the specs of the low..or the mid..OR maybe the HIGH... but still the vgleaks documents interpretation given is wrong and here i explain why also on paper durango is x2 x3 more powerfull than ps4...if u have 5 mins read my post in this thread and if u can debunk (expecially the last one...r all in the first page)..i really wish someone could give me an answer
http://n4g.com/news/1223526...

remember always that devs that r in the know ....saying the durango devkits sport a 7970 to emulate the power...a gpu that is x2 x3 faster than the ps4 one (4.3 teraflops vs 1.8)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
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Th3 Chr0nic  +   590d ago
You guys really dont get it. nVidia doesnt need consoles to make money. If anything consoles lose them money when thet first release. the cost of the console when they first hit the market is so low margin that it is a losing item untill its sold couple hundred thousand units if not more. why loan your chip out to someone that cant make a return on it for months

look for yourself, nVidia makes chipsets for phones, tons of other mobile devices tablets and more. and more recently they have signed up with luxury car makers and are making big bucks putting systems into luxury cars. they have moved past consoles onto bigger things.

the fact that so many people here seem to beleive consoles are the biggest thing in the tech world really speaks volumes for the maturity and knowledge level here.

what should we expect tho this is a site for lazy people that dont like to look for their own source of news. lazy gamers at that.....
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Persistantthug  +   590d ago
@Th3 Chr0nic....I think you don't see the whole picture.
Nvidia being locked out from consoles means that they lose alot of leverage.

For example, Nvidia has certain products like PhysX. Well now that AMD has all of the consoles, they can push their own Physics engines and other products to leverage over Nvidia.

It's not doom and gloom for Nvidia, but it's a coup for AMD, and one that could help them gain both marketshare in over avenues, and certainly MINDSHARE.

And yes....for the AAA gaming industry, consoles are still king of the market. AMD is involved, and Nvidia isn't....not this time around.
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Master of Unlocking  +   590d ago
No backwards compatibility on xbox 3/infinity then.
Good to know Sony have Gaikai, they'll probably manage to work something out with it in regards to BC.
schecteroman  +   590d ago
Nvidia stock is 6x higher than AMD's, and most economic analysis of AMD has them going chapter 11 by the end of the year if they don't get an influx of revenue(note that doesn't mean they go out of business.) Remember that Nvidia also has its Tegra line for mobile, production graphics chips for industrial solutions (CAD etc.) and a number of supercomputer contracts with universities and laboratories around the world. As far as I know, AMD is much less hedged, with an investment into Spansion being one of it's only outside of mainstream investments. Therefore I do believe Nvidia CAN walk away from gaming consoles, which historically has not been a great source of revenue for them. AMD however, may not have the luxury of being so picky.
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BrianC6234  +   590d ago
Is this news? I thought everyone already knew it.
Th3 Chr0nic  +   590d ago
This is N4G where consoles are the only devices that use technology and are responsible for any and all technological breakthroughs we have had or will have in the next century. or so everyone seems to believe.
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BrianC6234  +   590d ago
I don't understand your reply. That doesn't answer my question. I thought everyone knew Microsoft is using AMD in their console. This article seems like they're trying to break some big news but it's been talked about a while now.
arbitor365  +   590d ago
great. now nvidia is going to have to do twice the **** talking
USMC_POLICE  +   589d ago
Nvidia or and Sony or microsoft . Blah blah and I'm over here like hey I want a next gen system already.
StreetsofRage  +   589d ago
To tell you the truth, after being disappointed by the reveal of "next gen" killzone with the ps4 specs and rumored xbox specs...

...i might do the majority of my gaming on PC.
Rageanitus  +   589d ago
Ppl should look at stocks rather than one sided.

Agreed Nvidia lost business in the console market, but as a company they are doing alot better than AMD/ATI.

IM a PC gamer, and the better combo for the past 5 years have been Intel and Nvidia.... there is a reason why the stocks are still doing better than AMD
imchuckbass  +   589d ago
Nvidia profit for 2012: 581 million dollars

AMD Profit for 2012: A LOSS (!!) of 1.183 BILLION dollars

Wow, no wonder AMD were desperate to get the consoles.

Even then, whilst Nvidia are making HUGE amounts of money developing chips for supercomputers, and a good amount of money developing tegra chips, AMD are making 1.6ghz tablet cpu's for consoles. Lol

It's quite obvious to see this wasn't worth Nvidia's time.

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