FleshEatingZipper writes: No one has to lose when new consoles come out.
I am a PC gamer, and I sure as hell don't understand what's up with PC gamers hating on next-gen consoles.
I think (for some not all) it's because they have a platform w/ so much potential for power and no one cares, developers and gamers in general. Developers because many pc gamers are just thieves who don't support the development and console gamers because pc gamers generally come off like scum bags and on top of that, pc gaming can an expensive hassle. The closer and closer consoles are getting to pc's, it's doing nothing but driving a stake through the hearts of their insecurities. IMO, of course.
This is bullshit. I'm a PC gamer and I can't wait for the PS4. They made all the improvements I wanted to see and I'm sold. PC will be primary platform and the PS4 will be my only other platform next gen for their exclusives.
While there may be mass potential, there is almost an infinite combination of hardware/software to contend with while writing the software. It is easier to program for a specific kit (console, iOS & its 5 phones) then writing for millions of other customers, none of which are the exact same. QA also has to deal with as many scenarios as possible, and that takes time & money. Despite all that, the PC gaming community takes pride in patching the holes when they arise (Dark Souls?) and keeping developers honest with their code by making it available on as many systems as possible. PC gaming was "apparently" dead years ago. Its been back with a vengeance the past few years as this console cycle has waned, and I have a feeling it will take a hit again this Q4. Like most things its cyclical.
PC elitists are like that for no reason, they can't stand people enjoying games on "underpowered hardware", worst about that, they think the most powerful graphic card of the week (little example would be: 1000 US Dollars TITAN) is what the average PC gamer have, which is a total Lie, there are pc-gamers out there with rigs that can't match PS360 visuals XP ... yeah the master-race lawl
Can't we all just get along?
Consoles getting closer to PCs? Many PC gamers are thieves? More like hardly and some.
Probably scared...they've already seen more developers taking a liking to consoles instead of taking advantage of the PC and the power it has, Crysis, Battlefield, Elder Scrolls etc. Then you have the odd times that developers don't do PC ports for console games or instead do crap ports. I think they are more scared that because the tec looks better (PS4 for example since Nextbox hasn't been shown off) that more developers will forget about the PC and go after the console market more. I mean they still have Valve but even now Valve are making the SteamBox with their own controller and everything....basicaly making a console to compete with other next gen console.
Steambox is a PC. Not a console. I am not afraid of developers running away, I just do not like when console gamers pass of delusions as facts. Such as 1080p does not matter. 30fps is needed to make killzone feel like killzone. (Input is normally multiplied by delta time which is the time since the last frame which makes it framerate independent) I have a PS3 and I enjoy it but I am not going to say PS4 is more powerful than PC as it is just silly. Which is when people like sikbeta state that high end PC hardware does not count as most do not have it. It as if console only gamers want to turn a blind eye to anything that could be considered better than the platform. I doubt I will purchase a PS4 at launch as I just bought a PS3 and have a huge backlog.
Next gen consoles are closer in power to PCs than any time ever before in history. PS4's 8 gigs of unified RAM is about what you'd have in a mid-level gaming computer (1-2 Gig graphics card and the rest in RAM). But here's the kicker: everyone knows that - circuit for circuit - console hardware is more powerful than PC hardware because it is optimized for gaming. So, even though the PS4's hardware only equals a mid-level gaming PC (which is still well beyond what the PS3/360 are able to do), the end result will be a console that is able to keep pace with PC development for years to come. Whereas when the PS3/360 launched, they had 512 MB of memory while it was normal for a gaming PC to have at LEAST 2 gigs of RAM, if not more.
Actually there pulling away even faster now. Ps4/xbox isn't even out yet but the specs show that a geforce titan is already 3-4 times faster than the ps4's gpu chip. It used to be closer than that on consoles release dates. Now its not even close a year before there coming out. I really don't mind the aaa devs going console. Kickstarter is starting to show promise and pc games are still being made for a core group of gamers and not trying to cater to everyone and water down games to make sales. I like having more in depth hardcore games so console can have the mainstream... One example right now where that happened is diablo3 vs path of exile. diablo 3 is coming to console but sucks compared to path of exile.
Yes Pjuice because there are going to be enough GTX Titan Equipped PC's out there to sell a game by the time the new consoles come out lol. We are talking about a viable market here not some one per-centers fun toy. I personally built mine an my girlfriends new rigs both with GTX 680's the cards alone were a grand. I doubt most people are even trying to spend anywhere near that. An that was with careful planning an months of decision making an one of us working two jobs. An that ***** had the nerve to go below 60 fps on Tomb Raider even with the new drivers. I've been playing PC long enough to know they have some serious optimization issues even when you have a powerful rig.
@ Pjuice Did you not notice the part where I said "equivalent to a mid-range gaming PC" instead of "a PC with a graphics chip that costs as much as a new console"?
by the time ps4's come out the titan price will be cut in half because maxwell will be out or another kepler. basically im saying pricing will be way different by then. so by the time ps4 comes out theres going to be something faster than titan.... I have 2x670's in my pc and only paid 550
Pjuice that's nice that you managed to get that deal but that isn't the standard pricing everyone is going to come across. Even that is 550 on top of everything else its still not cheap in the slightest especially coming from scratch like most people would have to do. An I seriously doubt the titan's prices will ever be cut in half that's extremely wishful thinking on your part. http://regmedia.co.uk/2013/... An last I saw even if the new 700 cards hit by the end of the year. Which according to Nvidia's recent showing they won't. The difference will be marginal at best until Volta which probably won't see the light of day till late 2015 at best.
@Pjuice "not trying to cater to everyone and water down games to make sales" I honestly think that your mentality is kinda what's wrong with "some" PC gamers. As soon as some PC gamers hear it's coming to PC & consoles you guys jump to the conclusion that the game is watered down... because it's coming to consoles as well. What do you mean by "watered down" are you referring to graphics? If you are, then this is the same argument as always. It's about the graphics. Diablo 3 came out nearly a year ago on PC's first, I don't think they even had plans to port it to consoles. This might sound crazy to you but what if Diablo 3 just isn't that good of a game? well at least compared to Path of Exile. Or does it suck because it's coming to consoles at year later?
It's the whole point of consoles to be mainstream man. It's not my fault if they weren't locked and let you mod the hardware and such instead of trying to squeeze every dollar off you i wouldn't mind console cause it would be pc or even better a pc with a gaming operating system. when your mainstream you try to cater to the masses and if you want to make big sales which they have to make more sales than pc because of retail and optical media on top of retail you can't really cater to a smaller group easily. Btw diablo3 had hinted a console release before it was even out on pc it just wasn't confirmed. I won't cry when aaa devs leave pc because they try to cater to the masses most of the time just like console and just one example of this happening within pc gaming itself is world of warcraft so im not just prejudice to console i just dislike everything there about but if you like that enjoy it. i just personally think pc brings more in depth games and a better all around experience.
Jealousy that Consoles keep taking PC exclusives. Even Blizzard, the last AAA budget PC developer is crossing over. And worse than that....they are bringing a better version of their game to consoles (no always on DRM). That's 1 thing that PC gamers get angry about. There's also the side issue that, for the price, because consoles are subsidized, Console gamers get better hardware than PC gamers can get. That doesn't make PC gamers jump for joy either.
I think they should be over the moon they can expect better ports and maybe more console ports.
Some PC Gamers feel the need to butt-in to the console wars. It's because they are lonely and need something to do besides play World of Warcraft.
you´re a pc gamer? well, lets say that at launch, at least the upper line consoles, (sony for now) will be outdated, low specs, struggling already to catch up with our standards, do you feel good when you see that game development will be even more capped, cause of consoles, were moving so fast that consoles dont even copme closer anymore, they´re just crappy low end PC´s, and we are a bit not happy with that,
I have a great rig that can run just about anything on max settings full anti-aliasing and whatnot with 1920x1080 resolution. Which is fantastic to see games in their full beauty by pushing their graphical capabilities to the max. However... I am an old-school gamer at heart. I grew up on the NES, SNES, Genesis, etc. Back then, games didn't have to look pretty. It was the gameplay that drove them, not how clear a texture could be. I want games to be fun, that's all I care about. I could be playing a game that has 8-bit graphics on my PC. So long as it has a good story, or great gameplay, I'll never complain. That's what we should care about in the end, because someday in the future, even the best graphics of today will be looked upon as being ugly at some point in time. I want a PS4 for the amazing exclusives Sony has, just like I might want a 720 for their exclusives, or a Wii U for theirs...
Because consoles have been shit, always been shit for the PC industry. What have consoles given us since 360/PS3 era? Ports ports and more ports. Consoles gimp the massive technological advantage PCs have always had due to devs building/desinging games around low end hardware (Consoles) then porting it to PC without doing it justice. Consoles will always be the enemy of PC innovation and pushing the limits because of this fact.
I honestly don't consider better graphics as "innovation" Wasn't Crysis 3 built for high-end PC's in mind and then ported down to the "shit" consoles as you put it. How well has Crysis 3 been received? The reviews usually go something like this: "The visuals are AMAZING, but" Crysis 3 was design and built for high-end PC's. This was their chance to innovate, and they did... on the graphics side. AMAZING looking game. In terms of "Limits" I think console games have pushed those limits very far... in story, game play and art direction even input (wii). See when your hands are tied by specs that aren't high-end you can't get by on just amazing graphics you're forced to try and innovate in other ways besides graphics.
Theyre just upset that the pc is never the new kid in town and that the new kids in town are getting all the attention..... /s guys look at me im so powerful... but guys look at my SPECS, guys check out this sick crisis benchmark.... common people pc gaming is the best why do you guys like these weak consoles you cant benchmark them, think of the graphics!
cuz they are being held back by tablets consoles? It has tablet hardware. no? Lets hope devs will lead on pc since it's easy enough.
Hating on Next Gen consoles LMAO! What is there to hate? Nothing! I'm happy that Next Gen consoles have just gone the PC route cause it just means BETTER multiplat ports now that all 3 Major platforms (Sorry Nintendo) are x86-64 Also I'm so looking forward to a X720/Ps4 emulator on my PC sooner and not 7 years later like this dam PS3 Emulator. My only problem is consolers making up LIES and CRAP about PC Gaming and Next Gen consoles. Killzone:Sf was touted as the best looking game ever and the PS4 would kill a high end PC but LOL that talk went away when DICE said BF4 MP would be 720p on console and lots of Devs saying 30 fps. Still No hard specs on next gen GPU's but even then with DICE saying 720p for MP and only 30 fps @ 1080p what is there to hate? NOthing! Enjoy your Sony Exclusives, Enjoy your Subscription X720, and I'll enjoy my PC Exclusives and games that currently consoles can't do. But who knows maybe one day I'll get the chance to slaughter consolers in a FPS using my KB/m as Sony seems cross-platform friendly and thanks to Next GEn consoles being Low end PC's that event happening is now more realistic. So again who's hating? Not Me!!! I just do not like made up crap and lies!
Yep gotta love the Cell. The only way to pirate a ps3 game is to pirate a ps3. No two ways about it.
They can't sleep at night unless they say 'PC gaming is king and consoles are obsolete' at least ten times a day.Any attention payed to the PS4 or next Xbox distracts people from listening to them say that so they have to shout louder so everyone can hear them.
It goes both ways. Console fans hate on pc and vice versa. No side is better or worse than the other. I think each camp just needs to accept that each has thier own pros and cons. Areas where they excel and other areas where they fall short.
I couldn't give a Rats tutu what PC gamers hate on..... PS4 FTW!!! Xbox 720 FTW!!! Wii U FTW!!! PC Titan GPX Cards FTW!!! See....now everybody's happy ;)
Guess people really don't like to see others happy ? Why are you getting disagrees for making everyone happy is beyond me ! :| Or maybe people don't like "rats tutu" ?? xD LOL
Well done generalising an entire demographic of millions of people into one opinion. I will be buying a PS4 for the single players and JRPGs but yes I will still spend 80% of my gaming time on PC as it is my preferred platform.
I don't think anybody ever believes that the entire population thinks a certain way... unless they're really just that ignorant. Let's be honest: around here, most PC gamers seem to be all about the graphics and specs, and enjoy lauding better setups over each other, let alone console gamers. And this article isn't for the masses out there, because they'd never be in a position to read it, anyway. So it's for us, then, and we know- or should know, anyway- that they don't mean ALL PC gamers.
I appreciate PC's graphical potential but I'm far more into independent titles and indie games that can be found nowhere else. Basically PC exclusives is what I have a PC for, I like the better frame rate and the higer res for multiplatforms but the unique deep and complex games is the draw for me.
Alot of pc users use that platform for all the exclusive mmo's and are using low end pc's to do that. So alot of them arent so concerned with graphics.
I dont see any of the hate. And its probably fanboys hating, fanboys hate everything that they dont love.
Yeah, there is no middleground with those slimy bastards.
This is why you don't make articles based of Youtube comments...
They hate cause they know most devs, people and money will all go to console. Their over priced GPU will never be utilized to its fullest. Console business trumps PC market by a huge deal. Sure, over the last few years steam may have grown but a new generation of console will dominate from this fall and anyone that brought a super high end will be gutted to learn there new powerful and expensive GPU does't do what it should have done. Press the disagree button if u agree with me please. Thank you PC gamers.
Actually I love that. It leaves all the developers who are creative and driven more by passion and inspiration as the ones seeking profit have left to consoles
"Because they're stupid, that's why. That's why everybody does everything." - Homer Simpsons. Wise words.
PC is the best, it just cost more. You will never see a console that can run 3 monitors or do things like be an actual PC... The only advantage that consoles have over PC is price. Although games are much cheaper on PC. It is impossible for consoles to ever be even close to a pc in power, they would cost too much to compete with like an i7 3930k @4.5ghz with 3 gtx titans. It will be 2-3 years then PC will have major power advantages over PS4/next xbox. I have a PC, Xbox and Ps3. I haven't touched the xbox or ps3 since I got the PC which was over 2 years ago. I want next gen consoles because then I might finally see my gpu and cpu usage actually go over 50% and we get all the next gen games.
its not in pc gamers best intrest to hate on the ps4 at all. they would have to be a complete idiot to do so. even more so if they praise the x720 and dont bash it. the pc and its games will become more like the x720 rumors if you pc gamers dont stop supporting ms and bashing sony. its already happeining with origins and such. pc gamers need to know who to support. MS and its console are no use to pc gamers at all becuase it has zero to no exclusives and the ones it has cant touch pc ones. as a pc gamer you support sony, nintendo, and pc. anything else is just dumb. use your brains people.
They think that consoles are the reason PC as a gaming platform is not evolving faster with more advanced graphics etc. But if we look at PC exclusive games over the years no developers are pushing the limits for PC games. It's not the consoles that are holding back more advanced gfx on PC. It's the developers. Console haters just don't want to see the reality of that. So they blame consoles and the "dumb" people that pick a console over a PC.
because PC gamers are ***holes.
Good question. Many -Not all- only PlayStation owner why hating Xbox? Many -Not all- only Xbox owner why hating PlayStation? Interesting.
Hating on the misleading media and misinformation. And the love of a product they think sucks. Just think about it, people hate on Justin bieber in much the same manner. There are plenty of PC exclusives that take advantage of the strengths of PC, I'm not talking about the guys complaining that their titans in sli aren't sweating... Guild wars 2, arma 3, company of heroes 2 are some great examples.
Only the elitist PC gamer's i think. Personally i don't have anything against console gaming. I started on the Atari then NES, SNES then PC gaming plus PS and still up to now. PC + PS is still the best gaming combo still.
This is a pointless question really. It's pretty much the same as fanboy rants between whether the PS4 or 720 will be better. For some reason, instead of just being called fanboy like the playstation and xbox ones get called, PC fanboys get the term 'elitists' instead. As long as there are competing platforms, there is going to be stupid animosity between the hardcore fan bases of those platforms. Fanboy dick waving contests aren't platform specific.
I wish those PCites stop comparing their penis size, gaming consoles and PC's even though they both play games are different, it's like comparing apples and pears, and by the way I own a PC and cant wait for the PS4. Please stop the hating, consoles will not be replacing PC's anytime soon, nor were they mean't to be.
It doesn't make sense for most PC gamers to switch over to a console. Also, PS4 vs PC articles are part of a new marketing spin.
Whenever someone claims to be part of the PC gaming master race i think of Nazis. Heck there was even one freak who PMed saying that all console gamers should be put to death because consoles severely hinder PC games.
Its really no different than xbox fans hating on Sony machines or Sony fans hating on MS machines. Loyal fans like to have their purchases / choices justified in their eyes. PC gamers (just like any other gamer) want to feel their choice was the best option for them. So if the competition sucks... well then they feel a whole lot better. You tell yourself that over and over..it becomes your reality.
It's The PC Elitists that come into.every console arguement claiming "The Glorious PC master Race" and "teh Tera Flopz" While throwing around the luxury of the GTX Titan and Radeon HD 7990 as if The fickle gaming community of the PC exceeds the Market of The 200-400 dollar console market. When they come into an article where Next gen consoles are being praised, they speak loudly about $1000 Advances in "The Graphics" That fewer than 10,000 Hardcore PC gamers have money to spend on such a premium. You look at this and you wonder why, with all the PC advancements happening every 4 to 6 months, that the gaming market in the PC world hasn't expanded in the way Console market has continue to sell on such a grand scale. Mainstream market doesn't want something that expensive, look how the PS3 and Sony got ridiculed for launching at $600 bucks And this "Glorious Master Race" of a hypothetical 20,000 hardcore PC gamers who have anything remotely close to GTX 680 and above think they are the best because they saved up, sold a few personal belongings to buy a $600-$1000 to experience multiplatform games with minor and 100% negligible improvements over consoles that look and run stable on a fixed hardware. It's not PC gamers, that hate on consoles, it the elitists that go out and spend 1000+ at launch to enjoy 3-5 Top multiplatform games 6 months later that feel stupid because they realized that The Mainstream market of console consumers don't see specs, and 2k resolutions t 120+fps on 17-21in monitors and Don't give a flying motherf*ck about that, because all they see and care about is that the Next MGS, or Halo or GT or God of War on the New PS and Xbox looks waaaay prettiers and better on their big screen than the previous games on older hardware. Small dogs bark the loudest behind tall fences. And that's why they hate, they have to justify spending high premiums for marginal improvements over games we get on our system and the ones that really shine on the PC come out once every 2-3 year's, ie- skyrim, metro last light, Battlefield 3/4...
Because they are attempting to ease their insecurities. Spending the time to justify their choices lets them sleep better at night. Note: This applies to fanboys in general, not just the PC ones.
i think they're just because of the fact that their games will not look good since consoles are always the focus first. i dont think that will go on this gen, since all 3 consoles (yes, even the wii U) are going to be simple to develop for. they'll just scale down.
i would be pissed too if i spent grands on a pc that will never be pushed. No one is saying the ps4 is more powerful than a high end pc but it has far more potential in its fulfillment of what will be delivered.
Because they have an overpowered hardware with mediocre games .
I'm a PC gamer but have a ps3 and 360,I wouldn't want to miss the next-gen exclusives. That's why I'm getting a PS4 or an Xbox. Besides PC is going to get better looking ports after the new consoles arrive XD
I own consoles, but I'd call myself a PC gamer. The current holy gaming trinity is PC, PS3 and Xbox 360. Cross platform titles usually get published for these three consoles - I'm talking about games ported with MINIMAL changes. Wii is an underpowered exception. There is usually a lot of tweaking/down scaling to get games ported to it. Now imagine what it would be like games were developed for the Wii, then ported up to ps3 and xbox360, or even PC. These could most likely be FUN entertaining titles. Great stuff! But who cares??? :) Your console wouldn't be fully utilized. Your investment in a superior hardware platform is wasted. PS360 fanboys cry over differences in screenshot comparisons!!! PC elitists scoff at your screenshot comparisons and cry when their directx11 capable graphics card is not fully utilized, their 8GB of RAM barely touched or their game is not optimized for multiple core cpu's. WE ARE ALL GUILTY! Battlefield 3 is a good example where DICE has put in some effort so Frosbite 2 can reach it's full potential...and that would be on PC. Skyrim is example of a console port which Bethesda did little more than release an HD pack. But the modding community showed them different. So...don't hate the player. ...hate the game developer! :)
I hate blanket statements like that. PC fanboys are hating on next gen consoles. Just being a pc fan does not make you a fanboy, or hate anything.
I don't hate the CONSOLE itself, I hate the "too broke to afford more than one platform but I'm too lazy to quit my minimum wage job and get a career more fit for an adult so I'm going to fall on the sword for my chosen console that I'm stuck with" fanboys who brag about it ("8GBDDR5FTW!!!") and talk shit about the PC and PC gamers in general, as if they have any clue what the gaming experience on a high-end PC is like as compared to consoles. I'll probably end up getting both in time. However, I'd really like more FACTS to be revealed first.
PC fanboys, PS fanboys, Xbox fanboys, it don't matter. I will never understand why any of them hate you just for having a different preference.
Many times the pc guys are forced to jump in and correct somebody spouting off some misinformation, which the other side sees as being elitist.
Ive been a PC gamer since I was 3 years old, and I would play Doom on my old tower for hours. But I also played the hell out of my NES. People the preach PC gaming is somehow better in all aspects couldn't be more wrong. Sure, some versions of PC games are indeed better in terms of frame rates and textures etc, but as long as the product people are purchasing, on any platform, is good and people enjoy it, then everyone wins.
you can find someone saying anything on net they only speak for themselves. You on the other hand and everyone who rights these articles and posts hate in the comments are doing what you all say you hate people doing ;) just wanted to point that out please disagree now
Cuz they EVERYBODY
Haha, great article - I'm mainly on PS3 and PC, wouldn't want to do without either. Have a 360 as well, but could live without it ;).